jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »Meh. Not interested in getting into a big argument with you guys again, especially knowing how nasty and personal jobo likes to make things.
I'll just say that I enjoyed the gameplay shown in the video and thanks for making it.
It shows rather clearly that Bash and Invasion make up two of the many counters to Bolt Escape. You 100% shut that guy down using those two abilities. By Tab locking and charging, you're able to stay on top of him even when your Invasion doesn't apply the stun. That's exactly what I've been saying all along.
If anything, the guy turned around to face you because he realized he wasn't going to get away.
Or he thought this was his chance to strike since he had worn his attacker down. Bash is getting nerfed next patch, so there's that "counter" gone. He had more than enough magicka to bolt away, considering the costs of all the abilities he used.
jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »Meh. Not interested in getting into a big argument with you guys again, especially knowing how nasty and personal jobo likes to make things.
I'll just say that I enjoyed the gameplay shown in the video and thanks for making it.
It shows rather clearly that Bash and Invasion make up two of the many counters to Bolt Escape. You 100% shut that guy down using those two abilities. By Tab locking and charging, you're able to stay on top of him even when your Invasion doesn't apply the stun. That's exactly what I've been saying all along.
If anything, the guy turned around to face you because he realized he wasn't going to get away.
Or he thought this was his chance to strike since he had worn his attacker down. Bash is getting nerfed next patch, so there's that "counter" gone. He had more than enough magicka to bolt away, considering the costs of all the abilities he used.
the only nerf bash is getting is the passive dmg increase will be lowered...
do people even read the pts notes?
Edit - Do you even block the first blink? It doesn't take any stamina looking at it closely.
Bolt Escape reminds me of LOTRO Desperate Flight. I did become frustrated like the OP obviously is when my enemy disappeared instead of standing there and dying. I too thought it was a chicken **it thing to do. I always thought, "die with some dignity" but not everyone thinks like me. (shrug)
prana33b14_ESO wrote: »Bolt Escape reminds me of LOTRO Desperate Flight. I did become frustrated like the OP obviously is when my enemy disappeared instead of standing there and dying. I too thought it was a chicken **it thing to do. I always thought, "die with some dignity" but not everyone thinks like me. (shrug)
Haha forgot about desparate flight. Didn't that like recall you all the way back to a base though? OMG the kiddies crying over that here would be epic.
The kiddies are the people who use and defend using abilities like that. They are basically spoiled children who can't stand losing.
Censorious wrote: »As others have said, he spends the first half of the fight trying to get away, either fleeing or trying to get to range to give his only effective nuke a chance (shard).
I counted seven BE in the first few seconds - that's a LOT of magicka used up.
I can manage about 5 from full charge.
After that he's on potions and DE and he clearly uses everything he has on more BEs.
That's the end of the fight really, dead Sorcerer walking. All he can do is tickle and hope desperately he's managed to get close enough to help.
Could I have done any better than he did? - probably not. Sorc has one powerful hit in his bag and it's on a loooong cast with very obvious animation. It has a knockdown but it's way shorter than the cast time so a melee opponent is up and in your face before you can get a second.
The only root we have is short range too, so having rooted, we are still dangerously close and need to BE.
The only way a sorcerer can fight effectively is when he has a tank to hold the aggro while he winds up that shard again. In PvP that makes it a group-class really, which is fine by me.
The only way I win 1v1 is when I'm facing a vamp and I unload silver bolts - boy is that satisfying!
prana33b14_ESO wrote: »
The kiddies are the people who use and defend using abilities like that. They are basically spoiled children who can't stand losing.
Yeah they aren't the ones here crying that they didn't get a kill because someone used an escape skill to actually escape, or that they need "x" skill because another class has it. Nice try.
Do you know what we did to the king of Desparate Flight on our server instead of crying for nerfs? We made fun of him for being someone who wouldn't leave camp without having it off CD and if he used it to escape we lol'd. That's more fun.
prana33b14_ESO wrote: »Do you know what we did to the king of Desparate Flight on our server instead of crying for nerfs? We made fun of him for being someone who wouldn't leave camp without having it off CD and if he used it to escape we lol'd. That's more fun.
What I don't get is why people get so angry at a retreating sorc. You have won. maybe you don't get credit, but you still won.
There are so many roots, knockdowns, and stuns in this game there's really no excuse to crying for a bolt escape nerf.
Wow. I bet his IRL feelings were really hurt by that. He sounds like a troll to me. The same type of person who can use BE to troll in this game. He doesn't care if you laugh at him.
Wouldn't it have just been better for everyone to not have a stupid ability like that?
prana33b14_ESO wrote: »Wow. I bet his IRL feelings were really hurt by that. He sounds like a troll to me. The same type of person who can use BE to troll in this game. He doesn't care if you laugh at him.
Wouldn't it have just been better for everyone to not have a stupid ability like that?
coolstorybro - Now people using their skills are TROLLS!
...and we're back to all classes having the same exact abilities.
Thieves and Mesmers in GW2 had very mobile escape abilities too. I really don't remember the uproar like here. I personally didn't care and played engineer and necro which had 0 escapes. Wait, I guess my engineer had "escapes" in that I could hit 2 skills (slick shoes to kd the person, and double speed to run away) and I still got killed if they decided to run around the oil slick.
Maybe if you guys think it is that great of a skill, roll a sorc? Just a thought.
It's not using an ability that makes you a troll. It is how you use it. BE can be used to troll in this game. As can vampire mist.
There were many complaints of D/P thieves and Mobo Warriors trolling in GW2. Many. In the earlier days of GW2, it was D/D Elementalists that could troll via mobility and escapability, but they got nerfed due to the complaints.
The last thing I want to do is roll a class or use an ability to troll people with.
That video does not represent that one cannot use it with impunity. It represents that this sorc cannot or in this case did not. It would be a strawman to use that video to generalize that it is globally the case that sorcerers cannot escape with impunity.ruzlb16_ESO wrote: »
That video does not represent that one cannot use it with impunity. It represents that this sorc cannot. That video would be classified as a strawman, though not intentional, if used for generalization. Insightful, but not capable of drawing definitive conclusions upon.ruzlb16_ESO wrote: »
That video does not represent that one cannot use it with impunity. It represents that this sorc cannot. That video would be classified as a strawman, though not intentional, if used for generalization. Insightful, but not capable of drawing definitive conclusions upon.ruzlb16_ESO wrote: »
No, it represents that this sorc chose not to use it to escape. He decided to fight. Once again, BE is fine in a situation where the sorcerer doesn't use it totally disengage from a fight. The problem are the people who spam it so much and so fast that all you see are a trail of 10 orbs stretching to the horizon.
And let me say that it takes a far more skill to counter it than to use it. And my counters to it? Well, they could be countered as well. The only reason this sorcerer didn't have those counters (like immovable) is because he most likely rarely runs into people that can stick on him with him using BE only. So, he has not had to "waste" an ability slot on it.
ruzlb16_ESO wrote: »
What I don't get is why people get so angry at a retreating sorc. You have won. maybe you don't get credit, but you still won.
Is it still a win if he runs off, get resources back, and re-engages and kills you? Or I guess that would be a draw by your logic.
prana33b14_ESO wrote: »Wow. I bet his IRL feelings were really hurt by that. He sounds like a troll to me. The same type of person who can use BE to troll in this game. He doesn't care if you laugh at him.
Wouldn't it have just been better for everyone to not have a stupid ability like that?
coolstorybro - Now people using their skills are TROLLS!
...and we're back to all classes having the same exact abilities.
Thieves and Mesmers in GW2 had very mobile escape abilities too. I really don't remember the uproar like here. I personally didn't care and played engineer and necro which had 0 escapes. Wait, I guess my engineer had "escapes" in that I could hit 2 skills (slick shoes to kd the person, and double speed to run away) and I still got killed if they decided to run around the oil slick.
Maybe if you guys think it is that great of a skill, roll a sorc? Just a thought.
No, you will have the opportunity to regain your stam, magica, and health as well. what people have a hard time figuring out is that bolt escape can let the sorc run, but if he's busy running, he's not attacking. If you can't keep up, let him go and regen your losses. Yes it's annoying, but you can effectively counter it by intelligently using your roots and stuns. Calling for an ability to be nerfed when all it does is force you to use tactics (instead of spamming a couple of buttons) is silly.
Might as well call for a nerf for a templars healing abilities because I'm not incorperating that strategy into my fight. Or calling for a NB's ability to stealth because I'm not ready for that aspect of the game. I don't understand why people want to have all classes exactly the same. You spec escape bolt spam you gimp your dps. This video gives you a step by step way to counter the ability. he would have slaughtered the sorc had the bow wielder not shown up. Hardly OP.
The only thing that would be bad about that would be that build/class diversity would take a hit and everything would be samey.For those that feel that their class should be able to escape with impunity. How would PvP be if every class had this ability?