Sick of ZergFest PVP

thearrogant

most of people who enjoy this zerg fest of lvl 13 emperor are the very bad awful slow players , who just like to pve , and as a pvp player im better than them even in pve i ended the game main quests at vet 7 when alot of vet 10 cant even finish em the pve players , anyways i agree this pvp is zerg fest it can be fun and nice but you can never show ur skills no one will ever come 1v1 on you they always run away ,Arena is what we need a small bgs also maybe somthing we can show our skill not of running after an emperor of lvl 11 LOOOOOOL this is very bad

Xsorus

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO wrote: »

Noth wrote: »

If you don't want Zerg PvP, don't follow the zerg. During keep sieges, small scale pvp along the supply lines and reinforcement routes can be the difference between success or failure at the keep. There are also plenty of small groups just doing pve and searching for things in Cyrodil.

Already said in the Post i do try to find 1v1s and i avoid the big zergs in PVP. but every so often you get destroyed by a roaming zerg heading to another keep. Running back to find more 1v1s knowing you are going to inevitably get zerged is just annoying.

I should also mention i have over 300 kills from 1v1s. So i have spent a fair amount of time looking for 1v1s.

Umm..Every now and again, you're going to get zerged..suck it up and quit crying.

Stupid troll is stupid. Say something constructive or not at all.

Oh it was very constructive, You're getting zerged in a mass pvp game, it happens.. even while solo..

You should suck it up, and quit crying...

frwinters_ESO

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO wrote: »

If ESO is about options. Give me the option to enter a PVP mode that isn't full of zergs or vampires that siege keeps. I hated it in GW2 and i hate it again here.

I played PVP in every MMO and i am the type of PVPer that enjoys the thrill of killing an enemy by myself. Yes i can go around looking for 1v1s in Cyrodiil but this takes forever and most of the time you run into giant zergs and die and have to run all the way back to your spot to find 1v1s.

Make a small scale PVP option, hell even guild wars 2 had small scale PVP along side their WvWvW. I couldn't give two sh*ts about craglorn to be honest, its nice that we are getting it as it will keep me entertained untill hopefully some news about other PvP options are released. If you aren't going to give us 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 or 5v5 pvp at least give me the ability to request duels or create an arena where people can pop into for duels (if people complain about people sending duel requests as the only complaint about duels). I am sure you could make some kind of instanced Arena where you go into and it puts you into a phase with other player for 1v1 PvP.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF TALOS!

This argument is always invalid because since DAY 1 we all knew what kind of PvP we were getting. It was never mentioned that there would be any arena style combat at launch. There is rumor of it but even with the future plans post of whats to come with PvP it was NOT on the list. Complain all you want, if you paid attention to what the game was offering you shouldn't have bought the game.

Zooce

michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO wrote: »

Eliminate vet levels and fix travel time in Cyrodiil.

Cyrodiil should have wayshrines, just like the rest of Tamriel.

And 7,200... Drop this rip-off price tag on forward encampments to encourage people to fight for longer periods of time. And give it more than twenty spawns. Twenty is absurd.

Offer smaller arena. In fact, I did a quest for Ebonheart that was in an arena. They should let players fight in arenas. Big ones. Build a big coliseum to send people for 5v5, 4v4, etc.

And they should let players spar. Not being allowed to spar is also absurd.

I disagree, it's critical there is a negative to dying in PVP to make it exciting, you must not want to die. To make it too easy to get back to the fight after dying removes this excitement.

SourceError

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO wrote: »

If ESO is about options. Give me the option to enter a PVP mode that isn't full of zergs or vampires that siege keeps. I hated it in GW2 and i hate it again here.

I played PVP in every MMO and i am the type of PVPer that enjoys the thrill of killing an enemy by myself. Yes i can go around looking for 1v1s in Cyrodiil but this takes forever and most of the time you run into giant zergs and die and have to run all the way back to your spot to find 1v1s.

Make a small scale PVP option, hell even guild wars 2 had small scale PVP along side their WvWvW. I couldn't give two sh*ts about craglorn to be honest, its nice that we are getting it as it will keep me entertained untill hopefully some news about other PvP options are released. If you aren't going to give us 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 or 5v5 pvp at least give me the ability to request duels or create an arena where people can pop into for duels (if people complain about people sending duel requests as the only complaint about duels). I am sure you could make some kind of instanced Arena where you go into and it puts you into a phase with other player for 1v1 PvP.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF TALOS!

Try not following the zergs? I have no trouble finding small-scale PvP.

ChairGraveyard

Just wait until 1.1 and the AoE cap are in and guilds start exploiting stacking.

You think the zerg is bad NOW? Hah.

Kewljag_66_ESO

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO wrote: »

If ESO is about options. Give me the option to enter a PVP mode that isn't full of zergs or vampires that siege keeps. I hated it in GW2 and i hate it again here.

I played PVP in every MMO and i am the type of PVPer that enjoys the thrill of killing an enemy by myself. Yes i can go around looking for 1v1s in Cyrodiil but this takes forever and most of the time you run into giant zergs and die and have to run all the way back to your spot to find 1v1s.

Make a small scale PVP option, hell even guild wars 2 had small scale PVP along side their WvWvW. I couldn't give two sh*ts about craglorn to be honest, its nice that we are getting it as it will keep me entertained untill hopefully some news about other PvP options are released. If you aren't going to give us 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 or 5v5 pvp at least give me the ability to request duels or create an arena where people can pop into for duels (if people complain about people sending duel requests as the only complaint about duels). I am sure you could make some kind of instanced Arena where you go into and it puts you into a phase with other player for 1v1 PvP.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF TALOS!

SO don't follow the zergs if you don't want to zerg....... You can find endless skirmishes and ambushes at any point on the map that has enemies coming from a keep port heading to the hotspot. Run a roaming group and hit other roaming groups and straglers... there is so much more to do than zerg if you choose to. It easy to avoid the enemy zerg and remember everyone can stealth

Ragnar_Lodbrok

In the interview with the way forward the lead dev said there WILL NOT BE ARENAS, BATTLEGROUNDS, or DUELING. I am very happy.

lao

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO wrote: »

If ESO is about options. Give me the option to enter a PVP mode that isn't full of zergs or vampires that siege keeps. I hated it in GW2 and i hate it again here.

I played PVP in every MMO and i am the type of PVPer that enjoys the thrill of killing an enemy by myself. Yes i can go around looking for 1v1s in Cyrodiil but this takes forever and most of the time you run into giant zergs and die and have to run all the way back to your spot to find 1v1s.

Make a small scale PVP option, hell even guild wars 2 had small scale PVP along side their WvWvW. I couldn't give two sh*ts about craglorn to be honest, its nice that we are getting it as it will keep me entertained untill hopefully some news about other PvP options are released. If you aren't going to give us 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 or 5v5 pvp at least give me the ability to request duels or create an arena where people can pop into for duels (if people complain about people sending duel requests as the only complaint about duels). I am sure you could make some kind of instanced Arena where you go into and it puts you into a phase with other player for 1v1 PvP.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF TALOS!

im totally with you bro. ive said it in the beta already. the only way to fix cyrodiil is by deleting it completely and rebuild it without keeps/farms/lumbermills and all that other roleplay crap. then give us some proper rewards for farming alliance points. then make it so that zerging gives virtually no points at all. force ppl to small scale. force ppl to roam around. the result will be an amazing pvp game. if u give roleplayers the option to zerg around objectives they will do that. so dont.

if they then put in a proper CC system and add a couple of quickbars so we can actually have real characters that can actually do something instead of spamming the same 6 buttons over and over again this could even turn into a competitive game.

lao

paradoxorganisationb16_ESO wrote: »

Max target cap on aoe= Zerg if it's pvp or pve, just a bad choice. Strange that devs don't learn from other games. Daoc got it right though but that game is a tad old now

id still play it if there was a proper server for it :< live sucks balls since the last 8 years when they slowly tried (and succeeded) to remove the skill ceiling by giving every class every ability and unfortunately there is no good shards atm either. ill take 14 year old daoc on a healthy server on a patch level around 06-08 over any damn other mmo in past present and future tho.

lao

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO wrote: »

I would also like to see more rewards for investing all of my time in game focusing on PVP. WoW has their tiers of PVP gear and Arena gear.

Other games have their versions of PvP gear with their unique styles and looks.
I would like to see the same rewards in ESO. PvP armor and PvE armor completely seperate. Just so we can have reasons to devote our time into each one. Why would i bother getting the PvP Dominion set, when it kind of sucks compared to my crafted sets or PvE stuff? Especially when i have upgraded them to Legendary VR10.

no for the love of god please no. theres a fundamental problem with todays mmos and their communitys. trash games like WoW gave ppl that idea that pve could somehow be relevant endgame content. it is not. it never was and it never will be.

pve is a nessecary evil cos well it provides char development and without that we would be playing counterstrike with swords kinda. but this is where the need for pve ends. we dont need epic dungeons, we dont need world bosses, we dont need ANY kind of pve content in the endgame.

pve in mmos has always and will always suck when compared to single palyer rpgs so why putting time and ressources on something u can never get on par with them in an mmo.

the ONLY focus regarding endgame should be pvp and therefor no gear seperation is required as pve ends the second u ding l50 and the real game starts.

beravinprb19_ESO

I try to sneak behind enemy lines and pick my battles carefully. It usually goes pretty well, and I get some nice back and forth fights. That said, I usually get rolled over by a nearby mob, and then I need to spend the next 20 minutes or so sneaking back. Its fun, for sure, but I spend more time riding back into position than I do fighting other players...

Hessen

lao wrote: »

no for the love of god please no. theres a fundamental problem with todays mmos and their communitys. trash games like WoW gave ppl that idea that pve could somehow be relevant endgame content. it is not. it never was and it never will be.

pve is a nessecary evil cos well it provides char development and without that we would be playing counterstrike with swords kinda. but this is where the need for pve ends. we dont need epic dungeons, we dont need world bosses, we dont need ANY kind of pve content in the endgame.

pve in mmos has always and will always suck when compared to single palyer rpgs so why putting time and ressources on something u can never get on par with them in an mmo.

the ONLY focus regarding endgame should be pvp and therefor no gear seperation is required as pve ends the second u ding l50 and the real game starts.

Single handedly the funniest post i've seen on any mmo forum ever.

Morticielle

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO wrote: »

If ESO is about options. Give me the option to enter a PVP mode that isn't full of zergs or vampires that siege keeps. I hated it in GW2 and i hate it again here.

So don't play GW2 and don't play TESO.

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO wrote: »

I played PVP in every MMO and i am the type of PVPer that enjoys the thrill of killing an enemy by myself. Yes i can go around looking for 1v1s in Cyrodiil but this takes forever and most of the time you run into giant zergs and die and have to run all the way back to your spot to find 1v1s.

I've played PvP in every MMO(RP)G i played in the last 10 years. I hate instanced "small scale" PvP, because it is the junk food of PvP. You can obtain it quickly, you can play through fast and it's all meaningless. It's for the weak minded players who want to kill without loosing any time between kills. It#s for the weak minded players who are lost in a large sandbox without any given rules they can follow.

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO wrote: »

Make a small scale PVP option, hell even guild wars 2 had small scale PVP along side their WvWvW.

Then go and play GW2.

PvP in Cyrodiil has it all: You can run around in a big zerg, sieging keeps, fighting large scale battles, you can also run in smaller packs and search for other smaller groups or you can go solo, ambushing enemies on their way to the battle. I have played PvP in every possible way there is and i can say for sure that Cyrodiil is the perfect place for PvP!

Your problem is, that you want instant PvP served on a silver platter, you don't want to take care of it yourself, you want it served to you by others. What keeps you from finding likeminded people and arrange a location where players of the three factions can have their "small scale" PvP? You can arrange for areas where groups can play 4vs4, you can arrange Spots where stealthers can have their 1vs1. It worked in DAoC, why shouldn't it work here? And if you don't want to do that, please go and play instanced PvP in WoW, Rift, GW2 or elsewhere.

Morticielle

lao wrote: »

no for the love of god please no. theres a fundamental problem with todays mmos and their communitys. trash games like WoW gave ppl that idea that pve could somehow be relevant endgame content. it is not. it never was and it never will be.

pve is a nessecary evil cos well it provides char development and without that we would be playing counterstrike with swords kinda. but this is where the need for pve ends. we dont need epic dungeons, we dont need world bosses, we dont need ANY kind of pve content in the endgame.

pve in mmos has always and will always suck when compared to single palyer rpgs so why putting time and ressources on something u can never get on par with them in an mmo.

the ONLY focus regarding endgame should be pvp and therefor no gear seperation is required as pve ends the second u ding l50 and the real game starts.

ROFL

One of the dumbest posts i've ever seen! If you don't like PvE, then don't play it. But leave other people in peace with your dumb ideas what has to be endgame. In the end the developers define what is the endgame. And i have never seen any change in focus concerning the endgame in any MMO(RP)G i ever played! Not once did people like you make the developers change their focus! So you can whine here a little (or more), but in the end it is as always 'take it or leave it'.

Have a nice day!

RaZaddha

Hessen wrote: »

lao wrote: »

no for the love of god please no. theres a fundamental problem with todays mmos and their communitys. trash games like WoW gave ppl that idea that pve could somehow be relevant endgame content. it is not. it never was and it never will be.

pve is a nessecary evil cos well it provides char development and without that we would be playing counterstrike with swords kinda. but this is where the need for pve ends. we dont need epic dungeons, we dont need world bosses, we dont need ANY kind of pve content in the endgame.

pve in mmos has always and will always suck when compared to single palyer rpgs so why putting time and ressources on something u can never get on par with them in an mmo.

the ONLY focus regarding endgame should be pvp and therefor no gear seperation is required as pve ends the second u ding l50 and the real game starts.

Single handedly the funniest post i've seen on any mmo forum ever.

lao is a special kind of person, look at his posting history.

NordJitsu

Even as someone who loves the RvR of the this game and large scale PvP in general, I do get bored of it.

These fights are determined (at best) by group dynamics like organization and (at worst) by sheer numbers. In neither case does individual combat skill change the outcome of the fight too dramatically (except in an aggregate sort of way.)

I love sieging keeps and its something I'd do with my guild regardless.

But sometimes I just want to take a handful of my best guys to do a 5v5. Or I want to challenge someone to a 1v1 fight where my personal skill can shine (or not.)

Please add dueling and arenas.

lao

NordJitsu wrote: »

Even as someone who loves the RvR of the this game and large scale PvP in general, I do get bored of it.

These fights are determined (at best) by group dynamics like organization and (at worst) by sheer numbers. In neither case does individual combat skill change the outcome of the fight too dramatically (except in an aggregate sort of way.)

I love sieging keeps and its something I'd do with my guild regardless.

But sometimes I just want to take a handful of my best guys to do a 5v5. Or I want to challenge someone to a 1v1 fight where my personal skill can shine (or not.)

Please add dueling and arenas.

if todays mmo generation still had some brains and honor like ppl 10 years ago had we wouldnt need arenas and crap like that. u know no1 puts a gun to your head and tells you "add on that 1v1 NAO!" its braindead players that choose to do so. ofc that ruins it for everyone but those ppl lack that single half functioning braincell that is required to comprehend that and developers encourage that behavior by making games that reward zerging. the mmo genre is doomed since 2004 when a certain company decided to invite utter morons to the genre by making a specific game so nice and retardingly easy so every *** imbecile on the internet decided to hop in.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

lao wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

Even as someone who loves the RvR of the this game and large scale PvP in general, I do get bored of it.

These fights are determined (at best) by group dynamics like organization and (at worst) by sheer numbers. In neither case does individual combat skill change the outcome of the fight too dramatically (except in an aggregate sort of way.)

I love sieging keeps and its something I'd do with my guild regardless.

But sometimes I just want to take a handful of my best guys to do a 5v5. Or I want to challenge someone to a 1v1 fight where my personal skill can shine (or not.)

Please add dueling and arenas.

if todays mmo generation still had some brains and honor like ppl 10 years ago had we wouldnt need arenas and crap like that. u know no1 puts a gun to your head and tells you "add on that 1v1 NAO!" its braindead players that choose to do so. ofc that ruins it for everyone but those ppl lack that single half functioning braincell that is required to comprehend that and developers encourage that behavior by making games that reward zerging. the mmo genre is doomed since 2004 when a certain company decided to invite utter morons to the genre by making a specific game so nice and retardingly easy so every *** imbecile on the internet decided to hop in.

nothing is wrong with structured PvP not only is it more fun it's a lot more appealing to watch.

There is a reason the top streams are those types of games while ESO and gw2 are no where to be seen because the PvP in those games are boring to watch and they get really boring to play after awhile.

Please add duels asap and arenas when you can.

lao

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

lao wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

Even as someone who loves the RvR of the this game and large scale PvP in general, I do get bored of it.

These fights are determined (at best) by group dynamics like organization and (at worst) by sheer numbers. In neither case does individual combat skill change the outcome of the fight too dramatically (except in an aggregate sort of way.)

I love sieging keeps and its something I'd do with my guild regardless.

But sometimes I just want to take a handful of my best guys to do a 5v5. Or I want to challenge someone to a 1v1 fight where my personal skill can shine (or not.)

Please add dueling and arenas.

if todays mmo generation still had some brains and honor like ppl 10 years ago had we wouldnt need arenas and crap like that. u know no1 puts a gun to your head and tells you "add on that 1v1 NAO!" its braindead players that choose to do so. ofc that ruins it for everyone but those ppl lack that single half functioning braincell that is required to comprehend that and developers encourage that behavior by making games that reward zerging. the mmo genre is doomed since 2004 when a certain company decided to invite utter morons to the genre by making a specific game so nice and retardingly easy so every *** imbecile on the internet decided to hop in.

nothing is wrong with structured PvP not only is it more fun it's a lot more appealing to watch.

There is a reason the top streams are those types of games while ESO and gw2 are no where to be seen because the PvP in those games are boring to watch and they get really boring to play after awhile.

Please add duels asap and arenas when you can.

you completely missed the point. i wouldnt expect anything else tho

RazzPitazz

There is so much misinformation in this thread. The day ESO makes specific gear for specific modes s the day that ZoS failed their mission statement. This game was never geared towards PVP, it was geared towards a well rounded player experience (which is obviously up for debate, I make no stand on this). The AOE cap has always been in place, they are adjusting numbers on a small scale and the majority of PVP AOE caps will remain untouched. Should we really expect the first content update ( of 8-13 scheduled for this year alone) to be all encompasing? I have experienced the dilemas of mass content push before major fixes have been issued, it tends to make the earlier content even less enjoyable and makes future fixes/updates/content much harder to deploy successfully even on a small scale. I am not stating that anyones opinion or experiences are irrelavent, but ZoS has stated very clearly what they are and are not aiming for, as well as informing us of future additions. Not all of it wille appealing to everyone amd I am sure there are people who wont find any of it appealing. Honestly, just wait for now. Just for right now. We just started the second month of release. At the six month mark come back and make your peace.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Ill repeat again, in the roadmap forward ZOS states clearly: There will be no dueling, arenas, or battlegrounds. You want those there are games that have them (and no open world pvp anymore becasue of it)

Yusuf

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO wrote: »

Noth wrote: »

If you don't want Zerg PvP, don't follow the zerg. During keep sieges, small scale pvp along the supply lines and reinforcement routes can be the difference between success or failure at the keep. There are also plenty of small groups just doing pve and searching for things in Cyrodil.

Already said in the Post i do try to find 1v1s and i avoid the big zergs in PVP. but every so often you get destroyed by a roaming zerg heading to another keep. Running back to find more 1v1s knowing you are going to inevitably get zerged is just annoying.

I should also mention i have over 300 kills from 1v1s. So i have spent a fair amount of time looking for 1v1s.

i don't want to come off as if i'm bragging and i don't intend to say you dont play good enough or anything the like, but maybe you should learn to hide even better or be more on your guard? I have avoided zergs plenty of times by hiding underneath the same rock they all stand on, like, literally 2 meters away from 30 angry players.

NordJitsu

@Ragnar_Lodbrok‌


I have faith in ZOS. They've responded well to player feedback in the past.

I'm going to keep trying to get them to improve the game by adding small scale PvP option.

No need to lose faith and jump ship just yet.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

NordJitsu wrote: »

@Ragnar_Lodbrok‌


I have faith in ZOS. They've responded well to player feedback in the past.

I'm going to keep trying to get them to improve the game by adding small scale PvP option.

No need to lose faith and jump ship just yet.

Im not losing faith, Im happy they arent going to ruin world pvp by adding those things.

Kewljag_66_ESO

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO wrote: »

If ESO is about options. Give me the option to enter a PVP mode that isn't full of zergs or vampires that siege keeps. I hated it in GW2 and i hate it again here.

I played PVP in every MMO and i am the type of PVPer that enjoys the thrill of killing an enemy by myself. Yes i can go around looking for 1v1s in Cyrodiil but this takes forever and most of the time you run into giant zergs and die and have to run all the way back to your spot to find 1v1s.

Make a small scale PVP option, hell even guild wars 2 had small scale PVP along side their WvWvW. I couldn't give two sh*ts about craglorn to be honest, its nice that we are getting it as it will keep me entertained untill hopefully some news about other PvP options are released. If you aren't going to give us 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 or 5v5 pvp at least give me the ability to request duels or create an arena where people can pop into for duels (if people complain about people sending duel requests as the only complaint about duels). I am sure you could make some kind of instanced Arena where you go into and it puts you into a phase with other player for 1v1 PvP.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF TALOS!

I don't understand posts like this. Everything you want is there in Cyrodiil and only a few minutes away. Do people just not know where to go? or not know they can use sneak?

Make sure you are on a filled and somewhat balanced campaign. recommend BloodThorn.

Look at your map and see what keep is being attacked or looks like it will be next. (A) Port to your closest keep to that spot. Next see what the closest enemy keep is that the enemies can port to. (B ) Eighther wait between points A and B in Sneak and ambush enemies players or roam the area with a group. All you have to do is stay away from the zerg which is easy and you can have endless skirmishes and group fights all day long. if you die, it should take you no longer than 5-8min to get back. play smart and pick your targets wisely and you want have to run back very often

NordJitsu

@Ragnar_Lodbrok‌

I know you aren't.

Your recommendation was for people to leave the game if they want standard MMO features.

I think that's silly.

I have faith that ZOS will ignore suggestions like yours, which will harm the longevity of the game as PvP'ers unsub enmass, and listen to the reasonable suggestions of people explaining why failing to include dueling and arenas causes just as many problems in an MMO as failing to include a mail system, a friends list, or a guild system.

Some things simply can't be left out of the game.

ThreeEyedCrow

I'm okay with no Arena. I am ok with no small scale pvp instance (like WoW Battleground).

What I simply cannot fathom is why we cannot duel/spar players in our faction for practice and testing and just fun.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »

I'm okay with no Arena. I am ok with no small scale pvp instance (like WoW Battleground).

What I simply cannot fathom is why we cannot duel/spar players in our faction for practice and testing and just fun.

Probably for all the griefers who would like to trick level 3s into fighting their V10 as soon as they step out of intro. Happens in EVERY mmo that has that. I can live without that.

Lithion

TL;DR version: Just read the bold points lol

Noth wrote: »

Most wouldn't care at all. Even in WoW, most run Arenas and BG simply for gear. Without the gear, they'd never run them any noticeable amount.

Oh, really? I've been doing BGs and Arena in WoW for more than 5 years, and I continue to do BGs and Arena even after obtaining full PvP gear.

Why? Because it's fun to play BGs with friends, and Arenas provide a fun competitive environment.

The point of competitive play is to gain rankings or ratings, and that type of content has LONGEVITY... something that ESO currently doesn't have with Cyrodiil PvP only. How many months are you going to spend taking keeps, losing those same keeps, retaking them again, losing them again, retaking them again, etc...

I've spent YEARS doing WoW Arena because competitive PvP gameplay doesn't get boring so fast. And before anyone tells me to go back to WoW, I should let you know that I'm already planning on doing that once WoD releases lol (unless ESO can keep me interested that long).

Anyway, Zenimax should add dueling, arenas, and battlegrounds because it gives players options. If they want this game to succeed long-term, they need to give us something to do besides just Cyrodiil PvP. And I couldn't give a crap about rewards. I want those features because they're FUN. I know friends who dueled in WoW 7 days a week. It was their favorite method of playing when they couldn't participate in group PvP. I've also done Arenas with the same friends for over 4 years, and we always come back because competitive play is always challenging and exciting.

Players opposed to dueling, arenas, or battlegrounds keep saying "it will take away from Cyrodiil PvP." I know even Zenimax is using this absurd logic. Well guess what guys? You can keep Cyrodiil PvP meaningful by not offering any item rewards from duels, arenas, or battlegrounds. Like I said earlier, I did Arenas because I love the competition, not because of PHAT LEWTZ. At the very most, you should earn cosmetic rewards (like titles) from instanced PvP, but definitely no item upgrades. This way, if people truly enjoy Cyrodiil PvP, or want item rewards, then they have no reason to stop doing open-world PvP. But it also gives us other players OPTIONS (besides unsubscribing) if we dislike Cyrodiil PvP.

These same players will also use this argument: "Zenimax made it clear that this game was only going to have open-world PvP, so if you want something else, go play another game."

Well... in order for a AAA MMO like ESO to succeed long-term, it needs a significant subscriber base. And with limited PvP options, this game will lose mainstream appeal. Players who're frustrated with Cyrodiil PvP or don't enjoy it, will leave very quickly. Hell, even the players who DO enjoy it will likely become bored after a couple of months of the same old stuff.

If you're truly a fan of this game, and want Zenimax to succeed, then you should have no problem with PvP OPTIONS for players who want it. In the long-term, it will help this game succeed. But if you're too narrow-minded and selfish, you can keep telling people to "play another game." What you don't realize is that you're hurting your own game.

Lack of PvP options = losing subscribers = losing money = less developers = less content for everyone.

Zenimax is a business, first and foremost. They know they need to keep people interested in this game long-term if they want to succeed. Subscriber longevity can be achieved by giving players options.

There's room for reward-based and large-scale PvP (like Cyrodiil), competitive PvP (like Arenas), and fun/convenient PvP (like battlegrounds and duels). It can all coexist. I've seen it done before and I'm sure Zenimax can pull it off too.

I personally would love to see battlegrounds with level brackets so I can PvP with other players around my level. Right now PvP is only a viable option if you're max level. Lower level players get 3-shot by VRs, therefore it's not even remotely fun. Battlegrounds with level brackets could fix this very easily.

Let me finish by saying that I have enjoyed the game immensely so far, with the exception of Cyrodiil PvP. I WANT to play this game for many months, or even years, that's why I want Zenimax to realize that options are good.