Motif / Materials Drop Rate Decrease

Weberda

I've found one motif since the first week of the game. And I too play every day. And now they've "decreased the rate" To what??? All they can do is take back the ones I found.

Actually I'm not really that concerned about the issue since it is entirely a cosmetic facet of the game. I'm astounded that some players will give away so much to get one. Makes me wonder about the proximity of the end of time.

hightoriab16_ESO

Do containers have different drops depending on location?

zaria

Namiel wrote: »

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

But I have some lovely original print motifs for sale for just 200k.

Friends and family discount down to 199k .... that's UNDER 200k .... what a bargain.

right now thats a bargain on the EU Server

daedric just reaches 500k

lol, got mine for 70k.
you know 500k gold are not so easy available for the average player, but only for those who already sold some "epic" motif. No one will buy it.

Drop chance is so low that few who quest from vr1 to vr10 get any.
In our guild we asked around of the 15 VR8-10 it was none who had rare motifs

In short the level of high level players with nothing to use money on grows faster then the supply of motifs so the price will go up, might pass one million before starting falling.
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The main issue is not the drop chance, if its 1/1000 or 1/4000
its that if you loot more than 5-10 cupboards in some time period who is longer than 24 hours they are empty.
Result is that people don't bother searching houses, this hit food items to making it harder to make high level foods as nobody bother looting.

Gedalya

So they have decreased the drop rate; from the v1.1.2 notes for today's patch:

The rate at which you can earn racial motifs and provisioning recipes from lootable

AlexCala7b14_ESO

I started a thread about this sort of BS here:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/90718/motif-materials-drop-rate-decrease#latest

This further nerf is even worse since Gina Bruno said they were going to investigate the giant nerf, here:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/93552/the-disappearance-of-racial-motifs/p3

And that investigation has not been acknowledged or follwoed up on. Hold them accountable folks. They're BSing us.

cjmarsh725b14_ESO

Wow you are really raging over not finding any motifs. Just go farm for some gold and buy one like everyone else.

LonePirate

So did they reduce the drop rate from 1 in 100,000 containers to 1 in 1,000,000 containers? The motifs were pretty impossible to find before the latest patch so I wonder how much more difficult they are to find now. The drop rate reduction only worsens the problem with bots, spammers and gold sellers. There is no reason for these books to be anything but common. What sort of hare-brained decision was this?

Bhakura

steven_shidiwenb16_ESO wrote: »

Don't know what you are all talking about...

(4hours of farming and those motifs don't end there. There is about another 3 or 4 Ancient Elf motifs that go off the page lol)




Also i have made millions from farming motifs. (this isn't my first time being over 1million, i have hit 1million about 4 times now) I will most likely be at 2 million gold by tonight or tomorrow, new record for me.

And then people are surprised it gets nerfed
Its because of this blatant exploiting things get nerfed. And even show it on fiorums why it should get nerfed, thx @steven_shidiwenb16_ESO

AlexCala7b14_ESO

That guy is either duping in some way or that screenshot was taken during the dupe/exploiit to find books enmasse, because noone I know has had that much luck. Especially not since the nerf.

zeuseason

I like the bound-to-account idea and I have a feeling that will be implemented in the future. I have so many common ones right now taking up space in my inventory, I'm actually perturbed a bit everytime I get one, like 'oh great not another motiff'.

silvermayne45b14_ESO

Isn't there already a mechanic preventing you from having two of a certain item in your inventory at one time? I got mailed a 2nd set of Collectors Edition treasure maps for some reason, and I cant have two of the same map in my bank or my inventory at the same time. Instead of messing with the drop rate at all, why not apply that mechanic to the motifs? Sure the farmers will keep one on 8 different alts but it wouldn't be hundreds... Reducing the drop rate further is a horrible idea and only makes people need to find more ways around the system or cater to gold sellers.

hightoriab16_ESO

silvermayne45b14_ESO wrote: »

Isn't there already a mechanic preventing you from having two of a certain item in your inventory at one time? I got mailed a 2nd set of Collectors Edition treasure maps for some reason, and I cant have two of the same map in my bank or my inventory at the same time. Instead of messing with the drop rate at all, why not apply that mechanic to the motifs? Sure the farmers will keep one on 8 different alts but it wouldn't be hundreds... Reducing the drop rate further is a horrible idea and only makes people need to find more ways around the system or cater to gold sellers.

That would work, and multiple people have given that as a potential fix, but we don't know if zenimax/bethesda will implement it

darthbelanb14_ESO

I don't see where the problem was, I just got my first motif last week and I've been playing since CBT .14. I guess I'll never see one again.

Namiel

dietlime wrote: »

I don't appreciate paying $15 a month and then being told I have to be 1/500 or 1/1000 lucky to play with the toys I paid for. In every ES game I could get deadric armor eventually if I tried hard enough, here I just have to win the lottery.

It's not fun. Fun would be having the cosmetics available so I can play dress-up.

Oh yes, sure.
You pay for an MMO, so you want everything at your disposal right now.
Old story, really.
You guys played too much oriental style p2w MMO (GW2 included, that i like and played for about 1 year).
MMO is about farming, if you like it or not: it can be farming for an achievement, for a personal gain, for armors, for weapons, for ranks, for kills AND even for cosmetic dresses. I bet a lot of people stated that aestethic armors are plain useless, and then come here to cry about drop rate.
Do you want to wear your daedric armor? Fine, loot your *** out for it, then. Or if you are particular unlucky, just farm something else and pay for it.

Do you think you can play a game for more than 3-4 months if you have nothing more to do (read "farm")?
Dungeons you said? Well, a nice way to replace farming with "running".
PvP? It's absolutely the same, you improve your own skills and farm for kills.
Lore? Sure, i love it and enjoyed it so much I want to thank every single quest writer at Zenimax and everyone who contributed to this game. You're great guys!
But lore has an ending, Farming has not.

AngryWolf

Gold sellers must be doing a high 5 and happy happy dance.

Kyuumu

I'm not gonna "cry about it" but I do think the whole nerfing decision was not Zenimax's best choice. I know some people will not like what I am about to say but opinions are like _______'s so deal with it. Common sense dictates the best way to drop the prices on the motif's would have been to increase the drop rate. There I said it, and while I am not a full blown completist I do enjoy acquiring as many of the in game items as my own abilities will allow. I have no issue with farming, I do it just to outfit my characters anyway, but I also like to actually achieve my goals at some point. This can make a Smithy like myself, who hopes to eventually sell their wares game wide, despair over achieving that aspiration. I have seen the rares going for 300K in zone chat and thought "my gosh how ridiculous is that". I personally have not made that much in this game the whole time I have been playing.

alexmolthanb14a_ESO

The prices are going up pretty well for a casual married player such I to be able to afford one. Looks to me like Zenimax is in fact encouraging behavior that they say they're against.

Horrible horrible decision, but just the fact that they put this piece of sh!t patch live today with random rollbacks happening, quest progression deleted, achievements messed up, etc.... this doesn't surprise me.

This is one of the worst patches I've seen in an mmo.

randomriffyrocksprerb18_ESO

You guys arent looting in instanced areas like i am?? Coz man i'm freakin rich

phairdon

On my main char (vet level 5) I've had quite a few. Whereas none of my alts have any. They range from level 9 through to level 29.

Shimmer

Ive spent about 10 hrs farming just for these motifs. I haven't gotten one. With the drop rate how it is, it should be a purple or yellow and not blue based on its drop rate.

Steorling

The motif drop rates went down long before the patch. My first toon had all the motifs (via trade, two purchases I paid for by provisioning, and my own collecting) by level 20. I collected them by checking every location every day...not changing instances or any other rot. On the six subsequent toons I've created to experiment with classes I've only found ONE motif book and they're levels 10-14.

I find it sad they've focused on this instance of "farming" when every dungeon and mini boss in level 1-10 areas is surrounded by as many as a dozen bots, my e-mail is assaulted daily by gold sellers, and my ignore list is maxed by gold spammers in zone chat. I've done my bit sitting there spending my game time getting screenshots and reporting every one of them...and nothing is done.

Focus on safeguards to minimize the profiteering (how about a ban on any jerk who has 20,000 gold delivered) without taking the fun out of it for industrious guild traders and crafters.

VesoRakia

WTF a decrease, i dont farm at all ,and am VR3 and have got only one throughout my whole gameplay and it was in early access. Damn they are starting to make this game impossible for casual players, because of *** bug exploiters and farmers. Whoever is as dumb as to do a single thing for days just to get the edge on others go ahead, and be emperor. all i care is to have a nice game to play like its meant to be played

Dimar

They nerf motif drops again? The only way to nerf them again is eliminate them altogether, oh wait they did! I haven't found a single motif even though I farmed them for three days since the "reduction in drop rate" Guess I don't get to experience the whole game unless I'm willing to buy 1 million gold from the farmers just to be able to get the motifs to make my armor. Good plan there Zenimax

Sendarya

It is very funny, the motif drop rate was really just increased significantly. Yes, they reduced it in 1.0.5 (according to them), but right after they patch in vet areas, they are no longer even rare.

Go to the Rift, and watch how their are 2 to 5 "rare" motifs for sale, competing with each other. Although some people are trying to push the old inflated prices, there are too many for sale now. Barbaric is already down to pre-nerf prices (25k). Primal is hovering in the same area, and Ancient elf and Daedric are both down to 50k-ish, depending on time of day.

No, it wasn't nerfed more, they fixed their nerf back to a slight reduction in drop rates from pre nerf (if that).

Wait a week, or possibly eve less (I saw people start selling at 100k+ for Ancient Elf, and it dropped to 50k in about 30 minutes, there was so much competition over sales last night), and the prices will all be back to 15k to 30k.

Namiel

Finally someone that is not here only to troll. I've found 5 motifs since the nerf (last one today), honestly it's still a good deal for me.

Ish_Fingers

What's with the angst towards rare, random drops?

Surely there should be certain items out there which aren't commonplace? And those items are going to fetch a higher price.

Since the game 'economy' is so craft-central, it would make sense that one of the basic tenants of crafting in ESO - motifs - are hard to come by? And it's not as though lacking any of these is really stopping you from playing the game, is it?

I'm still in the frame of mind that prices are still in flux and will take time to settle down, though how long I don't know. Any time adjustments are made to motifs (or any item, for that matter) the prices will spiral one way or the other.

I'm also from an MMO era where random drops were just accepted: you could go weeks or months killing the same enemy with no luck in trying to find that one desirable piece, whereas it was just as likely that someone could com along and boom! Peacock Charm is theirs. (Yes FFXI/Argus, I'm looking at you...).

Note I never really enjoyed this aspect of the game/genre, but understood it's value.

Currently have 7 motifs on one character, 5 on another and been fortunate enough to find spares. Found 4 since patch 1.0.5.

babylon

Ish_Fingers wrote: »

.Since the game 'economy' is so craft-central

"Craft central" = hard work; motifs = RNG loot.

The economy should never be based on RNG loot.

Swordguy

farming motifs is like fishing: going for short periods of time every day yields better odds than trying once for hours at end. I loot every trunk, cupboard, backpack, desk and nightstand as I run into them, and might be missing ancient elf at this point... point is, you'll find them when you're not searching for them. found a daedric this morning while doing some random quest, they still drop, just not like they did at launch, thats for sure.

PunXt3rr0r

Oh great, at that rate, I'll probably find them all in around 2 years... Found 3 books since the early access, I loot everything I found, maybe except barrels and crates. But from what I heard, we can't find them in those "place".

Steorling

The only problem I have with making the drops so rare is that they add to the issues we already have with our "economy". We've had items selling for 100k's since the first day of launch and....lo and behold, we are SWAMPED with gold sellers and farming bots. Even committed players have had a hard time getting a complement of provisioning recipes (let alone a spare motif) for the last couple weeks (long before the update) and yet there are black gaited horses ridden all over the opening areas by toons as low as level 10. Gee, how does THAT happen. *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*

I'm all for tossing gold buyers (yeah, I said buyers) into Ash Mountain before perma banning them as exploiters, but making drops impossibly low just discourages those that want to play the game, have some fun with vanities, and craft their little hearts out to pay for that fast horse to get them to the battle when the time comes.