"Elite PvP Guilds" /doom ESO

Rylana

Judging from the OP, our guild fits almost every criteria of an Elite PvP guild.

Nice to know, thanks for the compliment.


To further clarify...

1. I am not here to hold your hand.
2. I use voice comms and I suggest you get with the program (i refuse to use mumble as its total crap, but TS and Vent work just fine)
3. 99 percent of the idiots in zone chat that are "organizing" what to do next are just that, complete and utter idiots with no concept of cutting off rez chains or divide and conquer.
4. Sometimes I dont give a damn about emperor or alliance points or roleplay or anything but my four best online friends. The five of us just want to kick your teeth in, problem?
5. GO....LEVEL....YOUR....GODDAMNED....TOON, meaning, NO I DONT WANT AN INVITE TO YOUR GROUP OF 20 LEVEL 10 NOOBS. I have enough on my plate trying to be competitive at VR4 as it is. I cant and wont carry a zerg of easy killfarm. Go get good gear and levels under your belt, then maybe in a month we can roll heads together.
6. NA Dawnbreaker reporting in.
7. Dont be a carebear. Youre being a carebear. Stop being a carebear.

kbye

RaZaddha

Ser Lobo

Just my opinion: but it seems the op just doesn't like the fact that his opponent is more organized then himself. Let me address the many flaws I see in his argument:

1: Telling your info in zone chat is advertising your position to any and all who may use that information in a negative way. We're talking spies (who tell your opponents where to defend), idiots (who try to rush there with no organization, further jeopardizing the mission) and trolls (who are part of solo guilds and just rush in to claim the keep, doing nothing to help).

2: Every keep is strategically important, even if your simply talking about the AP point gain alone (which your team uses to buy more siege and camp resources). And if the entire faction wipes, that means the entire faction was in one spot, which is an idiotic move to begin with. It takes 10 non-VR players to take an NPC-held keep. Spread your forces and keep the enemy moving.

3: Any player not trusted (random or not) isn't less, just NOT TRUSTED. You cannot rely on them to communicate. You can't rely on them to watch your back. They might stand there while you get double-teamed or be telling the enemy where your hiding. Trust is not implicit. It's earned. Don't want to be untrusted? Join a guild. Shouting about how much they suck in zone will NOT get you on that short list.

4: Whether your playing a turn-based strategy game like StarCraft (multi-million dollar SPORT in many countries), or a first person shooter, or even a fantasy MMO ... voice communication is faster and more effective than text. And while I will relay orders in group via text (I'm a fast typist, and redundancy is a good thing), any member not in voice channels is an automatic liability due to their inability to respond as quickly as others.

5: 'Farming', as you call it, is also known as an ambush. Used by great leaders for a long time. Have you ever heard of a guy named Alexander? Yeah, he would pretend to 'fail' to draw his enemy in and kill them. It is strategically sound and historically reliable.

6: Can't speak much for this, as it's a negative practice in most instances (but not all). Though I feel the Op's attitude in this post is probably a good indicator as to why others would be insulting, as it's very 'entitled' and ill-informed.

7: A team-mate who disrupts your plans, causes carefully laid strategems to fail and reveals (by intent or otherwise) your position to the enemy? That's not a very good teammate. Remember, you cannot be betrayed by your enemies.

8: Many players are willing to help and learn, to an extent. Others are here to enjoy their time and have fun. Instead of insisting the very active and organized (which seems to be your definition of 'elitist') guilds stop what they are doing and teach newcomers (which I would bet they have plenty of their own), it might be better to allow those newcomers to join guilds that are geared for that. Or start one yourself.



All in all, the Op's post makes me feel as if he is someone I sincerely would not want on my team, and if he was on my team, I would want to avoid and keep away. I sincerely doubt this player knows what teamwork is, as he seems to be dismissive of strategy, organization, or a competitive mindset.

Then again, I come from several very competitive games, including being a long-time veteran of EvE Online (thus, the trust issues, hehehe) as well as multiple first-person shooters (Halo semi-professionally) and even a few strategy games.

The behavior he describes makes me wish he could 'name and shame', because I feel those guilds are one's I'd be interested in signing up with.

TheGrandAlliance

Amazing how the posts on this thread only further to prove my points made. This game is a MMORPG not a MOBA and thus isolating yourself and giving false pretexts as to why only ruins the game.

PvP is ment to be enjoyed by anyone who engages and not just "organized elite guilds" who "frown upon the lesser peoples".

Rylana

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

Amazing how the posts on this thread only further to prove my points made. This game is a MMORPG not a MOBA and thus isolating yourself and giving false pretexts as to why only ruins the game.

PvP is ment to be enjoyed by anyone who engages and not just "organized elite guilds" who "frown upon the lesser peoples".

Simply put - if you are going to be a deadweight that holds my team down, get on the bench or play with another team.

TheGrandAlliance

Rylana wrote: »

Simply put - if you are going to be a deadweight that holds my team down, get on the bench or play with another team.

With that attitude you will "bench" 95-99% of the player base. If you don't help people who you consider "deadweight" improve themselves they will never do so.


And thus goes the sub fees to ZeniMax. Then Free-to-play. Then game (content) shutdown. Way to go elite guilds! Way to go!....

lao

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

Amazing how the posts on this thread only further to prove my points made. This game is a MMORPG not a MOBA and thus isolating yourself and giving false pretexts as to why only ruins the game.

PvP is ment to be enjoyed by anyone who engages and not just "organized elite guilds" who "frown upon the lesser peoples".

wrong this is pvp and pvp is competitive.

it was never made for casuals to enjoy it. infact we dont want casuals in pvp. unfortunately we kinda need them to provide enough action outside of primetime hours. its fine aslong as they dont give their worthless opinions about what they think pvp should be like cos if that stuff is listened to it means the game will die very quickly. that has happened countless times before in other mmos.

ideally we want a huge amount of organized guilds so we dont need casuals at all but that is fiction as not enough ppl on the planet still playing these games are good enough to provide that much population. also alot of good players dont bother with this modern style of mmos anymore cos well its kinda pointless since most games are made for noobs these days.

sounds aggressive i know. but you know what, when randoms stop ruining game after game with their useless whine and endless complains about how unfair it is till they eventually get their way and another game with huge potential goes down the toilet i will stop hating on them.

TheGrandAlliance

lao wrote: »

wrong this is pvp and pvp is competitive.

Wrong again. You are supposed to be killing your rival faction and not your own.

Tuttebel

lao wrote: »

wrong this is pvp and pvp is competitive.
it was never made for casuals to enjoy it. infact we dont want casuals in pvp.

I'm so sorry that as a casual player I actually enjoy pvp. I had no idea it would upset you. Shall I just get out then and leave the pvp to the "pro's"?

You don't sound aggressive ... you sound like a total and utter moron.

I've been playing pvp since mid 90's in several games. Just because my real life doesn't permit me to invest the same amount of time in a game as you doesn't make me or my playstyle inferior.

I'm sure you'll eventually figure that out once you grow up

beravinprb19_ESO

"Casuals" (which is a stupid term in the first place, by the way) represent a very significant portion of the playerbase. Without them, we'd be lucky to have one Cyrodiil server.

Harakh

Not all elite guilds dont care about objectives. In the early time of GW2 SFR Server, there were many goods guilds and it was a great community even with elite guilds.

Sometimes the casual gamer also blame the elite guild when something runs wrong, but it is not always the elite guilds fault .

PS: I am not in an elite guild

Izatar

I think its worse than supposed. Not only is it Elite PvP guilds dominating a server faction, the self same guild is on the other faction on the same server. Then, they farm achievements (like emperor) against themselves with impunity. Regular players are just fodder in their pantomime.
So basically the RvR is a hoax. Its the usual suspects doing what they do.

sminkiottone

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

lao wrote: »

1. Running around and not telling anyone what they are doing

2. Commiting forces (servers have pop cap which makes this a problem) into suicide situations that causes the entire faction to wipe, such as taking random keeps that do not further a strategy

3. Treat everyone else on the server as "lesser humans" such as "randoms" (players not associated with elite guilds)

4. Pretend that they actually are skilled when only few of them actually are

5. Assume that VoiceChat/Teamspeak is the ONLY vaild form of in-game communication and thus anything else is trash

6. Create "farming situations"... whereas intentionally losing in order to pull aggro to a keep... thus farming the inc players for AP

7. Disrupting chats by insulting players in /zone or otherwise

8. Hostile to thier own faction... treating them like enemies instead of the rival factions

9. Refusing to help new players (or even acknowledge their existance) learn PvP

Looks like you are new at PvP...

1. Only and idiot would tell a bunch of pugs where his group is, pugs get you killed.
2. Everyone has the same right to play, even a bad lvl 10 player.
3. Treats ? report them
4. Organization and team play are the most important things, those are skills.
5. Yes it is, I would like you to show us how you manage to run/fight and typing at the same time big guy.
6. It seems to me that you are jumping to conclusion.
7. /Report.
8. Pugs sometimes can be more dangerous than an enemy zerg, don't underestimate them.
9. The only thing that can help a newbie is to fight and die a lot, look for help in forums not on the battlefield.

lao

Tuttebel wrote: »

lao wrote: »

wrong this is pvp and pvp is competitive.
it was never made for casuals to enjoy it. infact we dont want casuals in pvp.

I'm so sorry that as a casual player I actually enjoy pvp. I had no idea it would upset you. Shall I just get out then and leave the pvp to the "pro's"?

You don't sound aggressive ... you sound like a total and utter moron.

I've been playing pvp since mid 90's in several games. Just because my real life doesn't permit me to invest the same amount of time in a game as you doesn't make me or my playstyle inferior.

I'm sure you'll eventually figure that out once you grow up

you know, u can be good at a game without playing 14 hours a day. i barely play this game 1-2 hours a day these days cos well its god awful. and lets be honest, no1 remotely good at gaming will spend more than a couple hours per day on this game. infact most ppl i started with in beta did instantly cancel their preorder the moment they ported into cyrodiil the first time cos everyone of us knew exactly what it would be like at release. only me and one more is still playing at this point and we´re both barely bothering anymore.

that doesnt mean that u will ever see me running in zergs roleplaying at keeps and shouting at ppl in zone chat. neither will you see me making 10 threads on the forum about how OP this and that is even tho i could actually make a meaningful statement about the balance of the game cos i actually unlike you casuals know what im talking about.
neither will i whine about vr10s making it impossible for a casual player to compete. cos even with my little playtime im vr8 on my main by now + have a l44 alt + some more lowbie alts.

it is possible to archieve things in this game very fast if ur not an idiot. as u can see the problem with casuals is not that they are casual. the problem is that most of them are complete idiots with an IQ that doesnt exceed the temperature in my freezer.

e.gamemarkb14_ESO

Izatar wrote: »

I think its worse than supposed. Not only is it Elite PvP guilds dominating a server faction, the self same guild is on the other faction on the same server. Then, they farm achievements (like emperor) against themselves with impunity. Regular players are just fodder in their pantomime.
So basically the RvR is a hoax. Its the usual suspects doing what they do.

Yes, this is exactly what is going on within a few of the low population campaigns, in which some of these guilds have a very large number of their members with "Former Emperor" titles.

Those campaigns have no way to sustain any legitimate flipping of the inner keeps to de-throne these guilds, and if you look at the actual points on these low pop servers, you will find something such as:

faction 1: 500k
faction 2: 10k
faction 3: 15k

I have no doubt ZOS has the data on these and can probably mirror up accounts and see this exploit taking place. I just wish they would actually do something about it =(

It's not right or fair that these players / guilds abuse the system to artificially obtain tons of "Former Emperor" members in their guild on these low pop campaigns.

Gisgo

Yes elite guilds are all about emperorship. We already knew, though.
However, what are the non elite guilds doing? Scratching their balls?
If nobody is defending you can only blame it on a game design that does nothing to encourage defense (except for oil farming lol).

Make keep stores public (only guild members can sell, everyone can buy) and suddenly you have a reason to defend a keep.

Veakoth

Casuals bandwagon to the servers the elite guilds are winning on for their faction causing that faction to win overwhelmingly because they want Cyrodiil bonus's. Then they complain the "Elites" stopped attacking to farm AP in an attempt to get the server population to bounce back causing you as a casual to be unhappy your scroll bonus's are gone thus you cry on the forums.
If you don't like playing with elite guilds then don't, they only occupy like half of the campaigns.

Kililin

You need to understand:
Nobody has any kind of obligation to play with you. Or to talk to you. Or like you.
ZOS can not force players or guilds to like you or play with you. Not even to play in a way you like.
You need to find likeminded people and play with them, you can use the framework the game provides.

That said, if you are able to organize your friends and allied guilds by text and are right about your estimation that casuals make up 95%+ of the playerbase, you don't need the few elites. An organized Zerg making up 95% of the population will crush everything.

limeli8

Haha Epic!!! People are complaining about human nature! How is this any different than real life? People will be people no matter where they go they'll always try to separate themselves from the "unwashed masses" it is simply what we do! We always like to be better than the next guy and we want it acknowledged by others!

Gaudrath

lao wrote: »

wrong this is pvp and pvp is competitive.

it was never made for casuals to enjoy it.

Actually, it's a computer game. Games in general are rarely useful for anything but casual entertainment, computer games more so than others.

If you want to be competitive or even at all useful, I suggest real life. And quit pretending your "skill" at pressing a dozen buttons on a keyboard is in any way relevant or meaningful.

Nidwin

Boys Band attitude all around it seems.

Vent is certainly a + but if not available, so what.
If after 5+ Years of Waaaagh you still don't know the drill, vent won't help you out.

Let's recap the basics

Healer -> heals
Tank -> tanks
dps -> dps
support -> buff/debuff baby-sitting if needed

Some terribad beats on our healer -> help healer
Tank select target -> everyone beat the crap out of selected target

Everyone mounts up -> mount up
Everyone goes left -> go left
Everyone dismount -> dismount
Everyone hides behind big rock -> hide behind big rock

Need to afk -> /group AFK bathroom, refill coffee, beer, need to puke, not feeling well, need to let the dogs out, husband can't find the beer in the fridge afk fast, ...

Now for vent
5 % game info
65 % blahblahblah
30% silence (combat mostly)

Chat box
/zone Jubay online in any form?
/zone Mulit-boxer around?
/zone Did they all went to bed?
/zone Anyone seen Brett lately?
/zone NERF MAGUS!!!
And that's it. If you give vital or important info -> We're going to be upset, very upset!

Our attitude
We don't care if you're alone, questing, fishing, soloing. We run into you, we kill you.
Our bros and sistas (guildies). You're not one of our bros and sistas, we don't care about you. We won't shout at you, we won't insult you, but we just don't care.
Emperor and keeps, nice to have. We just want good fights, so you know it now. Don't ask anymore.
We'll help out, if we want too. If we're busy with other stuff, we won't help you out till we're finished with our other stuff.
We don't have one or a couple of leaders. After 5+ freaking Years we are, or should, all be able to lead.
Once in a blue moon we have a couple of nice bros and sistas trying to organize the PUG. It happens and they often need an entire week off to get over it.

But.
We are NOT an Elite guild. We are who we are.

Thar Nid
p.s. keep on smiling, it's only a game.

Nijjion

DAoC has had elite PvP guilds in RvR since 2001/2002, maybe the community is a bit different but won't be the doom of the game.

The insults and stuff like that isn't down to being an elite guild but just rude people in general.

Gloran

limeli8 wrote: »

Haha Epic!!! People are complaining about human nature! How is this any different than real life? People will be people no matter where they go they'll always try to separate themselves from the "unwashed masses" it is simply what we do! We always like to be better than the next guy and we want it acknowledged by others!

And here I thought it was about having fun.

Lowbei

thread sounds like bads whining that they get rolled by pro groups.

l2p and stop zerging like noobs

also, calling your zerg a "raid" doesnt make you any less of a zerger

lao

Lowbei wrote: »

thread sounds like bads whining that they get rolled by pro groups.

l2p and stop zerging like noobs

also, calling your zerg a "raid" doesnt make you any less of a zerger

amen

tho its hard to speak of pro groups in a game with zero skill elements. its more like a bunch of zombies got rolled by a smaller bunch of ppl whos brains didnt consist of 70% worms and maggots

danteafk

OP, you know why AP farming and killing people is more fun and rewarding? Because raiding keeps and taking Emperor or Scrolls is worth nothing.

If ZEN decides to change this in some time (if at all) you will see your 'elite guilds' also raid keeps, get emperor and help the realm rather than farming AP.

Yet another game design fault.

NordJitsu

Yes.

Good players are ruining the game.

Community and friendship are tearing this MMO apart!!

What MMO has ever been sustained by the groups that comprise it forming tight nit bonds and emotional attachments?!?!?! None I tell you!!

Only running around like a chicken with your head cut off, spamming zone chat in all caps or in red (much superior communication), and dying repeatedly because no one has any idea whats going on or which of the 15 self-appointed commanders they should listen to is acceptable.

THAT will keep this MMO alive. Not guilds. No way no how.

prana33b14_ESO

Gaudrath wrote: »

lao wrote: »

wrong this is pvp and pvp is competitive.

it was never made for casuals to enjoy it.

Actually, it's a computer game. Games in general are rarely useful for anything but casual entertainment, computer games more so than others.

If you want to be competitive or even at all useful, I suggest real life. And quit pretending your "skill" at pressing a dozen buttons on a keyboard is in any way relevant or meaningful.

Competitive does not equal relevant or meaningful. Relevant to what exactly? Video games can be competitive. Poker can be competitive. Baseball can be competitive. Go Fish can be competitive.

prana33b14_ESO

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

5. Assume that VoiceChat/Teamspeak is the ONLY vaild form of in-game communication and thus anything else is trash

If you think typing in /group is as effective as calling targets to be attacked, healed, etc. or calling out different incoming groups well then I will just ignore everything else you say besides that because it's not even a question.

TheGrandAlliance

prana33b14_ESO wrote: »

If you think typing in /group is as effective as calling targets to be attacked, healed, etc. or calling out different incoming groups well then I will just ignore everything else you say besides that because it's not even a question.

...then my grivience vs Elite Guilds is proven. IF you think this then you are destroying the game.