Akatosh Living Armor Senche - Free?!??!?!

Pixiepumpkin · June 20

code65536 wrote: »

People in this thread seem to be pretty hung up about the word "free". We have a new Furnishing Vault that is "free" (if you pay a monthly subscription fee for ESO+), but I don't see people raising their pitchforks at that.

One of the fast food chains around here has "buy 1 get 1 free" offers, yet I don't see people complaining about how it's not really "free" if you need to buy the first item at full price.

As with many words, "free" has a lot of different definitions, and the one here, like the two examples above, is simply "no additional cost".

One more thing to note is that labels like "FREE" in the crown store are baked into the game itself. Adding a different label (e.g., "Bonus Item") would require an update to the game client, not to mention getting it localized in all the officially-supported languages. So from an engineering perspective, I can see why they'd prefer to use one label for a wide range of contexts rather than creating a number of different ones for slightly different contexts. (Though from a public relations perspective, this thread has demonstrated why it may be useful to have alternative word choices.)

BOGO (buy one get one free) offers are different than "free" offers. Its right there in the name "BUY ONE, GET ONE free".

If you wanted to compare likeable scenarios, then you'd need to first establish a fast food chain that straigt up says "FREE" on their advertisement, with the fine print describing the customer must buy one to get one free.

There is nothing free about this mount.

spartaxoxo · June 20

code65536 wrote: »

People in this thread seem to be pretty hung up about the word "free". We have a new Furnishing Vault that is "free" (if you pay a monthly subscription fee for ESO+), but I don't see people raising their pitchforks at that.

"Free with purchase" is something that I think is worth the time because it makes it clear to the consumer exactly what is being offered. Does the furnishing vault not have the ESO+ exclusive tag on it? Because that tells people exactly what they need to purchase rather than using the same language as stuff that's free by meeting gameplay achievements.

LadyAstrum · June 20

code65536 wrote: »

People in this thread seem to be pretty hung up about the word "free". We have a new Furnishing Vault that is "free" (if you pay a monthly subscription fee for ESO+), but I don't see people raising their pitchforks at that.

One of the fast food chains around here has "buy 1 get 1 free" offers, yet I don't see people complaining about how it's not really "free" if you need to buy the first item at full price.

As with many words, "free" has a lot of different definitions, and the one here, like the two examples above, is simply "no additional cost".

One more thing to note is that labels like "FREE" in the crown store are baked into the game itself. Adding a different label (e.g., "Bonus Item") would require an update to the game client, not to mention getting it localized in all the officially-supported languages. So from an engineering perspective, I can see why they'd prefer to use one label for a wide range of contexts rather than creating a number of different ones for slightly different contexts. (Though from a public relations perspective, this thread has demonstrated why it may be useful to have alternative word choices.)

Putting something behind the requirement to purchase crown crates is not in any way like going to a supermarket and enjoying a buy-one-get-one-free offer. This is like going into a supermarket, seeing some bacon and being told: "You can't buy this, sorry, but you can get it for free! Just purchase some eggs, some beef, some carrots, and a few bottles of ketchup, then it's free!"

Although in this case, you might get those things, or you might get a bunch of bananas, some mayo, and some bottles of cheap beer no one wants. Depending on the RNG.

As for the subscription and the furniture storage, you know exactly what you're paying to get it, plus it's reasonable. The subscription is a reasonable price. Half of these gem reliant purchases are eye-wateringly absurd.

spartaxoxo · June 20

LadyAstrum wrote: »

As for the subscription and the furniture storage, you know exactly what you're paying to get it, plus it's reasonable. The subscription is a reasonable price. Half of these gem reliant purchases are eye-wateringly absurd.

This is actually a really good point. ESO+ is a very clear price with everything you'll get for paying it known prior to purchase. This item has it's true price that is behind two currencies and RNG. So we don't even know what it will cost. We can only estimate.

Jaimeh · June 20

AzuraFan wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

That's why I mentioned the seals, the gems, or the unknown amount of money that you'd need depending on crate RNG/gem, yield. These are all examples of how the items are not actually free.

Yeah, I was agreeing with you. Like you said, unless someone has saved a massive amount of seals, or has a lot of gems already (which they paid for), it's a very expensive "free" item!

Got ya, and yes, absolutely

Sarannah · June 20

Well, the mounts themselves look really good. But the mount-up animations for both those mounts are absolutely terrible! Those animations ruin the entire mounts for me. Probably won't get them because of those mount-up animations, even though I can already afford them.

Personally I am not too bothered with how we have to combine them to gain the special mounts, and I see them as a bonus for those who always do crown crates for the radiant apex's. For the price of one radiant apex and two radiants(polymorphs) we now get three radiant apex's and two radiants(polymorphs).

Renato90085 · June 20

ADarklore wrote: »

Just wanted to update... spent $300 on crates... was down to the second to last crate and still needed a couple hundred more gems to buy the senche mount... and suddenly THERE IT WAS! I couldn't believe my luck... albeit expensive luck. So now I have all three mounts and a lot of other things I wanted along the way. And... still have a lot of gems left that I didn't need to spend on buying the mount.

are they have extra animation like Molag Bal polymorph with Shackled Titan apex mount ?

CAB_Life · June 20

A.) The upgraded model requiring either twice the luck or twice the spend barely seems adjusted enough to justify the cost.
B.) This is some egregious Nexon-levels of consumer baiting and “creative” advertising.
C.) I have the seals saved up but won’t spend them on this on principle.

code65536 · June 20

LadyAstrum wrote: »

Putting something behind the requirement to purchase crown crates is not in any way like going to a supermarket and enjoying a buy-one-get-one-free offer. This is like going into a supermarket, seeing some bacon and being told: "You can't buy this, sorry, but you can get it for free! Just purchase some eggs, some beef, some carrots, and a few bottles of ketchup, then it's free!"

Funny you should say that, because around Thanksgiving, there's a store around here that advertises in big, bold text, "FREE TURKEY", with small fine print informing you that you need to purchase $100 worth of stuff from them to qualify (or some other dollar amount, I don't recall exactly, because their stuff is overpriced so I usually ignore them, which is an option that people in this thread have too).

It really is the same gimmick.

LadyAstrum wrote: »

The subscription is a reasonable price. Half of these gem reliant purchases are eye-wateringly absurd.

And there is the real issue.

What people are really upset about isn't that they're offering these "free bonus items", but that the cost of the prerequisites are high, if someone opts for the gambling approach, which is a very valid complaint. But there's really nothing wrong with the offering of "free bonus items".

AnduinTryggva · June 20

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So you can get the Akatosh Living Armor Senche and or the Alduin Living Armor Senche for "Free", but only if you first get the Dragonclash Lving Armor Senche and the Times Herald Living armor first through the crown crates.

We have to buy crowns to get crown crates or sub to ESO plus to get crowns. Neither are free
We then have to use those crowns to obtain nearly impossibly, low % chance drop items from the crown crates. These crates are not "free".
The cost of the items using endeavors is greater than what one can save in a year of endeavors. So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

ZOS, using the advertising lable as "Free" comes across as disingenuous.

Absolutely.

This is probably an attempt to bait high-spending people who are willing to spend hundreds of dollars/euros to purchase enough crates to get these two items or to buy them with gems.

It's incredibly terrible and just to pull money out of player's pockets as there is no reasonable way to obtain the two conditions to qualify for that.

don't even try to get it.

licenturion · June 20

I can't believe people have been complaining for months on a daily basis about the price of the season pass and how the value of ESO+ has gone down but then spend casually 350 dollar on the possibility of having a new mount that almost looks like all the 600 other over the top animated mounts.

And then people wonder why nothing ever changes...

AzuraFan · June 20

LadyAstrum wrote: »

Putting something behind the requirement to purchase crown crates is not in any way like going to a supermarket and enjoying a buy-one-get-one-free offer. This is like going into a supermarket, seeing some bacon and being told: "You can't buy this, sorry, but you can get it for free! Just purchase some eggs, some beef, some carrots, and a few bottles of ketchup, then it's free!"

Although in this case, you might get those things, or you might get a bunch of bananas, some mayo, and some bottles of cheap beer no one wants. Depending on the RNG.

Yes, exactly. This isn't a "buy item X and get item Y" offer. It's "buy this item, which gives you X% chance to get A, and Y% chance to get B, and if you're lucky enough to get A and B, you get C free." If you have lousy luck, you could spend a lot. Someone upthread said they spent $300 to get the mount. Their money, but that's really expensive for a mount, and I doubt many people would buy it straight up for $300. Sure, they got other stuff from the crates, but would they have bought as many if they weren't trying for the mount? For some people, the answer will be no.

Of course, some people would end up paying less if they had better RNG, but others with bad luck would pay more.

That's why this offer is so predatory. Not because the word free is used, but because it encourages folks who really want the mount to play a numbers game to get it, and it might encourage some folks to spend more money than they can really afford. And in some cases, people will really overpay for the mount. If they had put the mount in the crown store for 30,000 crowns, then the cost would be clear (and it would be clear that it's expensive). People will spend more than that for the crates because the real cost isn't obvious.

Pixiepumpkin · June 20

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So you can get the Akatosh Living Armor Senche and or the Alduin Living Armor Senche for "Free", but only if you first get the Dragonclash Lving Armor Senche and the Times Herald Living armor first through the crown crates.

We have to buy crowns to get crown crates or sub to ESO plus to get crowns. Neither are free
We then have to use those crowns to obtain nearly impossibly, low % chance drop items from the crown crates. These crates are not "free".
The cost of the items using endeavors is greater than what one can save in a year of endeavors. So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

ZOS, using the advertising lable as "Free" comes across as disingenuous.

Absolutely.

This is probably an attempt to bait high-spending people who are willing to spend hundreds of dollars/euros to purchase enough crates to get these two items or to buy them with gems.

It's incredibly terrible and just to pull money out of player's pockets as there is no reasonable way to obtain the two conditions to qualify for that.

don't even try to get it.

100%

I have no intrest in the mounts, I just personally thinkj its ridiculous to market the mount as free, when its not.
I do not really find anything interesting in these crown crates. The animations/colors are obnoxious and feel out of place.

kevkj · June 21

licenturion wrote: »

I can't believe people have been complaining for months on a daily basis about the price of the season pass and how the value of ESO+ has gone down but then spend casually 350 dollar on the possibility of having a new mount that almost looks like all the 600 other over the top animated mounts.

And then people wonder why nothing ever changes...

Because the people complaining aren't the same people spending that much on crates. That person is basically the target customer for ZOS embodied.

Eternalscourge1 · June 21

Ratzkifal wrote: »

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

"Plenty of time" to get 24k seals? Do you realize how silly you sound? I have 12k seals right now, which I would imagine is more than most people do and even then I wouldn't be able to get to 24k seals before these crates leave the store. Unless ZOS buffs the rate at which we gain seals, there is not "plenty of time".
Good thing I don't want them.

Also, I havent played for like 9 months or so, and am back. Ive played for 10 years, but it was only a year or so ago I used a ton of seals for Molag Bal polymorph. Anyone who did that is gonna be short

Eternalscourge1 · June 21

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

It's not "bait" to call it free when that just indicates that it's free when you have the requirements, which do themselves cost endeavors/gems/Crowns/gold for gifting trade.

Everything in the shop lists its price. Otherwise people wouldn't know how much it cost if they met the requirements.

When i have to google the actual "free" requirements, I beg to differ

Eternalscourge1 · June 21

Renato90085 wrote: »

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

Bro, this crate first in is 4 month ago…You have to start saving last year.

And I used seals on Molag Bal stuff last year, as did many others

Radiate77 · June 21

Just opened up 65 Crates and got two Scaleborn Senche-rahts and 800 gems.

Not even enough to buy both a Polymorph and the mount, because someone decided the mount would be a Radiant Apex even though the real Radiant Apex mounts are locked behind the pairing.

Lugaldu · June 21

Sorry, but I really never understand when there come up complaints about Crown Crates, gambling, monetization, and the sales/marketing tricks that go along with it. Anyone spending money on anything in ESO should be an adult who makes their own decisions about what they spend their money on. If you don't like a marketing gimmick (of course, nothing is really for "free" here), just ignore it. If you have a problem with gambling, it's a problem that can be triggered not only in ESO, but also in everyday life - advertisements for betting and lotteries are everywhere, at least in the country in Europe where I live. The company tries to sell its goods in every possible way, just like any other company, I don´t find that surprising, rather logical, actually.

Pixiepumpkin · June 21

Lugaldu wrote: »

Sorry, but I really never understand when there come up complaints about Crown Crates, gambling, monetization, and the sales/marketing tricks that go along with it.

Because many of us believe these practices to be unethical, as do some goverments who ban these practices, some of whom are in Europe.

Lugaldu wrote: »

Anyone spending money on anything in ESO should be an adult who makes their own decisions about what they spend their money on. If you don't like a marketing gimmick (of course, nothing is really for "free" here), just ignore it.

1. The topic of the thread, if you read it, is not about ones ability or inability to control their purchases.
2. As a customer, I have a right to express my distaste with a company using marketing tactics that I feel are disgraceful and or disgusting. Its not really your position here to dictate to others what they should or should not be doing regarding their purchases/complaints/feedback as a paying customer.

Lugaldu wrote: »

If you have a problem with gambling, it's a problem that can be triggered not only in ESO, but also in everyday life - advertisements for betting and lotteries are everywhere, at least in the country in Europe where I live.

You missed the context of my OP and most if not all of the thread. The complaint was not on gambling, the complaint was as I stated in my OP. It might behoove you to go re-read it.

Lugaldu wrote: »

The company tries to sell its goods in every possible way, just like any other company, I don´t find that surprising, rather logical, actually.

Again many of us feel there are ethical and unethical ways of doing business. When a customer feels something is unehtical, its their right as a consumer to speak about it.

LadyAstrum · June 21

Lugaldu wrote: »

Sorry, but I really never understand when there come up complaints about Crown Crates, gambling, monetization, and the sales/marketing tricks that go along with it. Anyone spending money on anything in ESO should be an adult who makes their own decisions about what they spend their money on. If you don't like a marketing gimmick (of course, nothing is really for "free" here), just ignore it. If you have a problem with gambling, it's a problem that can be triggered not only in ESO, but also in everyday life - advertisements for betting and lotteries are everywhere, at least in the country in Europe where I live. The company tries to sell its goods in every possible way, just like any other company, I don´t find that surprising, rather logical, actually.

There are various countries that view loot boxes (in this case, crown crates) as a menace and have banned them for anti-exploitation or gambling law purposes, which is worth a look because it may spread to countries that have considered it but haven't yet acted.

Dalsinthus · June 21

Use cash to buy crowns, use crowns to by crates, convert redundant items in crates to gems, accumulate a large quantity of gems to buy 3 expensive items, combine said items into what you really wanted in the first place… It’s a lot. I can’t imagine trying to explain this to someone that doesn’t play this game.

Lugaldu · June 21

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Lugaldu wrote: »

Sorry, but I really never understand when there come up complaints about Crown Crates, gambling, monetization, and the sales/marketing tricks that go along with it.

Because many of us believe these practices to be unethical, as do some goverments who ban these practices, some of whom are in Europe.

Lugaldu wrote: »

Anyone spending money on anything in ESO should be an adult who makes their own decisions about what they spend their money on. If you don't like a marketing gimmick (of course, nothing is really for "free" here), just ignore it.

1. The topic of the thread, if you read it, is not about ones ability or inability to control their purchases.
2. As a customer, I have a right to express my distaste with a company using marketing tactics that I feel are disgraceful and or disgusting. Its not really your position here to dictate to others what they should or should not be doing regarding their purchases/complaints/feedback as a paying customer.

Lugaldu wrote: »

If you have a problem with gambling, it's a problem that can be triggered not only in ESO, but also in everyday life - advertisements for betting and lotteries are everywhere, at least in the country in Europe where I live.

You missed the context of my OP and most if not all of the thread. The complaint was not on gambling, the complaint was as I stated in my OP. It might behoove you to go re-read it.

Lugaldu wrote: »

The company tries to sell its goods in every possible way, just like any other company, I don´t find that surprising, rather logical, actually.

Again many of us feel there are ethical and unethical ways of doing business. When a customer feels something is unehtical, its their right as a consumer to speak about it.

We're here to express and discuss our opinions, you express yours and I've expressed mine.
And I personally dont appreciate when governments try to control every aspect of private lives, including people's consumer behavior. I find that equally unethical. I don't want to be led by the hand like a small child, with someone else making decisions for me. That's exactly how I see it with the crown crates and I, personally, dont see those marketing strategies as something "evil".

Pixiepumpkin · June 21

Lugaldu wrote: »

We're here to express and discuss our opinions, you express yours and I've expressed mine.

I never said anything to the contrary. If I recall I first made this statement towards you after you inferred that people were not capable of making up their own minds or decisions.

Lugaldu wrote: »

And I personally dont appreciate when governments try to control every aspect of private lives, including people's consumer behavior. I find that equally unethical. I don't want to be led by the hand like a small child, with someone else making decisions for me.

Neither do I, but regulations exist for a reason. It has been a common occurance, with copious amount of court rulings that time and time again businesses have done, do, and will often take advantage of their customers ie: monopolies.

Regulation must exist in a civil society, goverment overreach should not. Predatory behavior quelched by law is not overreach, its regulation for protection.

Lugaldu wrote: »

That's exactly how I see it with the crown crates and I, personally, dont see those marketing strategies as something "evil".

1. I never said they were "evil" you are putting words into my mouth.
2. Go take some marketing courses and some psychology courses and you'll soon see why many people, communities and governments through the course of history consider these types of practices unethical.

How much is a purple gem worth? No one knows, we can napkin math it, but the true cost is obfuscated and misleading. Meaning, its not transparant. Not up front. Cloudy, shady, muddy. Not honest, deceptive.

Pixiepumpkin · June 21

LadyAstrum wrote: »

Lugaldu wrote: »

Sorry, but I really never understand when there come up complaints about Crown Crates, gambling, monetization, and the sales/marketing tricks that go along with it. Anyone spending money on anything in ESO should be an adult who makes their own decisions about what they spend their money on. If you don't like a marketing gimmick (of course, nothing is really for "free" here), just ignore it. If you have a problem with gambling, it's a problem that can be triggered not only in ESO, but also in everyday life - advertisements for betting and lotteries are everywhere, at least in the country in Europe where I live. The company tries to sell its goods in every possible way, just like any other company, I don´t find that surprising, rather logical, actually.

There are various countries that view loot boxes (in this case, crown crates) as a menace and have banned them for anti-exploitation or gambling law purposes, which is worth a look because it may spread to countries that have considered it but haven't yet acted.

The more the merrier I say.
Imagine games made for fun, where all the cool cosmetic items are dropped as loot in game from doing in game activities. That is the world I dream of.

colossalvoids · June 21

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

Lugaldu wrote: »

Sorry, but I really never understand when there come up complaints about Crown Crates, gambling, monetization, and the sales/marketing tricks that go along with it. Anyone spending money on anything in ESO should be an adult who makes their own decisions about what they spend their money on. If you don't like a marketing gimmick (of course, nothing is really for "free" here), just ignore it. If you have a problem with gambling, it's a problem that can be triggered not only in ESO, but also in everyday life - advertisements for betting and lotteries are everywhere, at least in the country in Europe where I live. The company tries to sell its goods in every possible way, just like any other company, I don´t find that surprising, rather logical, actually.

There are various countries that view loot boxes (in this case, crown crates) as a menace and have banned them for anti-exploitation or gambling law purposes, which is worth a look because it may spread to countries that have considered it but haven't yet acted.

The more the merrier I say.
Imagine games made for fun, where all the cool cosmetic items are dropped as loot in game from doing in game activities. That is the world I dream of.

It's a world made by us, don't monetarily support unethical devs and support one's which practices you do like and agree with. Whale nets will always be there, we have a choice to not participate at least, there's a lot of good entertainment nowadays to choose from, luckily.

Pixiepumpkin · June 21

colossalvoids wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

Lugaldu wrote: »

Sorry, but I really never understand when there come up complaints about Crown Crates, gambling, monetization, and the sales/marketing tricks that go along with it. Anyone spending money on anything in ESO should be an adult who makes their own decisions about what they spend their money on. If you don't like a marketing gimmick (of course, nothing is really for "free" here), just ignore it. If you have a problem with gambling, it's a problem that can be triggered not only in ESO, but also in everyday life - advertisements for betting and lotteries are everywhere, at least in the country in Europe where I live. The company tries to sell its goods in every possible way, just like any other company, I don´t find that surprising, rather logical, actually.

There are various countries that view loot boxes (in this case, crown crates) as a menace and have banned them for anti-exploitation or gambling law purposes, which is worth a look because it may spread to countries that have considered it but haven't yet acted.

The more the merrier I say.
Imagine games made for fun, where all the cool cosmetic items are dropped as loot in game from doing in game activities. That is the world I dream of.

It's a world made by us, don't monetarily support unethical devs and support one's which practices you do like and agree with. Whale nets will always be there, we have a choice to not participate at least, there's a lot of good entertainment nowadays to choose from, luckily.

Well said and true. I get frustrated here because there is so much lost potential and all I can do is wonder why.
When you said "its a world made by us", I had to reflect on that for a bit. I undersood what it means up front, but that posed as a question, factoring in how ESO is made, marketed and moderated gives me some pretty clear answers into the design of ESO and the Zenimax culture. When considering this I can only conclude that my patronage is not valued. I never felt this way in WoW. I have had devs reach out to me in other games to solve problems or even implement suggestions. Here, I always feel like I am seen as the enemy, not welcomed.

colossalvoids · June 21

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

Lugaldu wrote: »

Sorry, but I really never understand when there come up complaints about Crown Crates, gambling, monetization, and the sales/marketing tricks that go along with it. Anyone spending money on anything in ESO should be an adult who makes their own decisions about what they spend their money on. If you don't like a marketing gimmick (of course, nothing is really for "free" here), just ignore it. If you have a problem with gambling, it's a problem that can be triggered not only in ESO, but also in everyday life - advertisements for betting and lotteries are everywhere, at least in the country in Europe where I live. The company tries to sell its goods in every possible way, just like any other company, I don´t find that surprising, rather logical, actually.

There are various countries that view loot boxes (in this case, crown crates) as a menace and have banned them for anti-exploitation or gambling law purposes, which is worth a look because it may spread to countries that have considered it but haven't yet acted.

The more the merrier I say.
Imagine games made for fun, where all the cool cosmetic items are dropped as loot in game from doing in game activities. That is the world I dream of.

It's a world made by us, don't monetarily support unethical devs and support one's which practices you do like and agree with. Whale nets will always be there, we have a choice to not participate at least, there's a lot of good entertainment nowadays to choose from, luckily.

Well said and true. I get frustrated here because there is so much lost potential and all I can do is wonder why.
When you said "its a world made by us", I had to reflect on that for a bit. I undersood what it means up front, but that posed as a question, factoring in how ESO is made, marketed and moderated gives me some pretty clear answers into the design of ESO and the Zenimax culture. When considering this I can only conclude that my patronage is not valued. I never felt this way in WoW. I have had devs reach out to me in other games to solve problems or even implement suggestions. Here, I always feel like I am seen as the enemy, not welcomed.

Perfectly understandable, been there for awhile now. Luckily the spell of ESO wears off with time!

The game definitely had potential, but here we are and that's probably the main point there for me. Game already went through some points of no return in a sense design wise and going forward, aimlessly or not. Wasn't the direction I'd prefer or endorse be it balancing, features or writing. Not even talking about monetisation and marketing, it's braking new lows each update now whilst interestingly enough having less and less appealing stuff to sell each time, getting more and more gaudy and general-fantasy-like.

To the last thing there's a pretty good indicator for support. If the business feels like a caring partner, a companion and a firm supporter it's worth giving money for. If it feels like a greedy enemy that's destroying things you love - probably not the best idea to continue with blind support and paying too much attention or nerves.

Ravensilver · June 21

So... I just saw the 'free' offer in the crown shop.

You know... it's perfectly fine for ZOS to turn the game into a money printing machine.

But I don't have to go along with it. I prefer to earn my rewards with gameplay, not with money. So I'll go do that. Just not in ESO at the moment.

Carcamongus · June 22

The problem isn't that the mounts are labeled as "free", which they technically are if you meet the requirements. The problem is that the requirements are steep and depend on awful odds, meaning a lot of money being spent. You spend gems or crowns to buy crates in order to (maybe) obtain the required items and then, with that (maybe) completed, you have the option of claiming the mount without spending anything else. Again, what truly deserves criticism isn't the use of the word "free", but the absurd requirements to obtain the free mounts. I don't usually complain about crates, but this novelty is a new low.