Akatosh Living Armor Senche - Free?!??!?!

Pixiepumpkin · June 19

So you can get the Akatosh Living Armor Senche and or the Alduin Living Armor Senche for "Free", but only if you first get the Dragonclash Lving Armor Senche and the Times Herald Living armor first through the crown crates.

We have to buy crowns to get crown crates or sub to ESO plus to get crowns. Neither are free
We then have to use those crowns to obtain nearly impossibly, low % chance drop items from the crown crates. These crates are not "free".
The cost of the items using endeavors is greater than what one can save in a year of endeavors. So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

ZOS, using the advertising lable as "Free" comes across as disingenuous.

ShutUpitsRed · June 19

It's like buy two get one free, except the buy two is gambling with extraordinarily low win rates

They saw the hype / knew these would be extremely popular.

RealLoveBVB · June 19

A "free" bait to get players to buy more crates.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · June 19

Normally they would cost 16,000 seals each, that is 48,000 seals for all 3 of them

You only need to buy 1 and to get the other 2 you only need to spend 16k seals for a total of 32k seals.

Ratzkifal · June 19

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Normally they would cost 16,000 seals each, that is 48,000 seals for all 3 of them

You only need to buy 1 and to get the other 2 you only need to spend 16k seals for a total of 32k seals.

@TX12001rwb17_ESO For the scenario where you want all 3 Radiant Apex mounts, sure. But let's reframe this for the more common scenario where you'd only want one. Normally they would cost 16 000 seals each. Now one costs 16 000 seals, but any of the other two costs 24 000 seals individually. ZOS just raised the price by 50%.

Tazzy · June 19

Let's milking the cash cow...

JaxontheUnfortunate · June 19

Yeah pretty much try get all they can out of the player base.

LordDraw · June 19

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

Renato90085 · June 19

well…I read this few month ago,but I don’t know this 2 is apex reward…glad they are ugly for me

Wildberryjack · June 19

It's a bit much. I'm not going to even bother.

Ratzkifal · June 19

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

"Plenty of time" to get 24k seals? Do you realize how silly you sound? I have 12k seals right now, which I would imagine is more than most people do and even then I wouldn't be able to get to 24k seals before these crates leave the store. Unless ZOS buffs the rate at which we gain seals, there is not "plenty of time".
Good thing I don't want them.

Renato90085 · June 19

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

Bro, this crate first in is 4 month ago…You have to start saving last year.

Vaqual · June 19

People be like: "It is fine to monetize cosmetic items, as long as the game keeps receiving regular content updates, does not become pay to win and qualitatively comparable cosmetic items can be unlocked through in-game activities."

And then one minute after desirable cosmetics are being heavily monetized: "That is not what we wanted. We want cool looking items, but ideally right now and for a price that is a bit more convenient."

In essence: Now you know the item and you can start saving your seals for when it comes around the next time.
And then there is this option: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5208334#Comment_5208334
So there are ways to make things happen.

Attaching a conditional "free"-tag is not an issue if the requirement is clearly stated on the tooltip, which it is. This is no justification for their prices, but this is not as nefarious as you make it out to be. View it as a "take it or leave" offer. And if enough people would choose "leave it" it might be less pricy in the future. Probably not going to happen though. Financially responsible decisions are as optional as these items.

Pixiepumpkin · June 19

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

One can amass roughly 2125 seales per month. So roughly 25500 a year. Obviously that is playing EVERY day and doing endeavors EVERY day on top of weekly endeavor grinds. Forget that people work, goto school and have a myriad of other things that keep them from a leisurly experience making playing every day and grinding all of these endeavors out a near impossibiliy...lets forget all of that.

So if someone played every day, saved all their endeavors, not spending any of them. Saving all of them for that cool free mount that they do not know even exists (crown crate information is not published a year or more in advance). Then and only then would this mount be "free".

And TECHNICALLY speaking, nothing in this game is "free". The base game has a cost and chapters have a cost or subbing to ESO+. Not all endeavors are base game only.

I personally find it extremely interesting that you had 2 years of endeavors saved up, never swayed or persuaded by any previous offering during that time period, but had them ready for this one, that no one knew was coming.

What I said remains true. These are a FAR cry from "free".

sarahthes · June 19

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

One can amass roughly 2125 seales per month. So roughly 25500 a year. Obviously that is playing EVERY day and doing endeavors EVERY day on top of weekly endeavor grinds. Forget that people work, goto school and have a myriad of other things that keep them from a leisurly experience making playing every day and grinding all of these endeavors out a near impossibiliy...lets forget all of that.

So if someone played every day, saved all their endeavors, not spending any of them. Saving all of them for that cool free mount that they do not know even exists (crown crate information is not published a year or more in advance). Then and only then would this mount be "free".

And TECHNICALLY speaking, nothing in this game is "free". The base game has a cost and chapters have a cost or subbing to ESO+. Not all endeavors are base game only.

I personally find it extremely interesting that you had 2 years of endeavors saved up, never swayed or persuaded by any previous offering during that time period, but had them ready for this one, that no one knew was coming.

What I said remains true. These are a FAR cry from "free".

Why is that interesting? The last time I spent endeavors on any mount was over 18 months ago as well, at least that's my best guess given I have around 25K and I don't pay attention to them, I just earn them passively when the endeavor tasks match my normal gameplay.

Pixiepumpkin · June 19

sarahthes wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

One can amass roughly 2125 seales per month. So roughly 25500 a year. Obviously that is playing EVERY day and doing endeavors EVERY day on top of weekly endeavor grinds. Forget that people work, goto school and have a myriad of other things that keep them from a leisurly experience making playing every day and grinding all of these endeavors out a near impossibiliy...lets forget all of that.

So if someone played every day, saved all their endeavors, not spending any of them. Saving all of them for that cool free mount that they do not know even exists (crown crate information is not published a year or more in advance). Then and only then would this mount be "free".

And TECHNICALLY speaking, nothing in this game is "free". The base game has a cost and chapters have a cost or subbing to ESO+. Not all endeavors are base game only.

I personally find it extremely interesting that you had 2 years of endeavors saved up, never swayed or persuaded by any previous offering during that time period, but had them ready for this one, that no one knew was coming.

What I said remains true. These are a FAR cry from "free".

Why is that interesting? The last time I spent endeavors on any mount was over 18 months ago as well, at least that's my best guess given I have around 25K and I don't pay attention to them, I just earn them passively when the endeavor tasks match my normal gameplay.

1. Endeavors can buy more than mounts. Meaning the lure to buy something is much greater than "just mounts"
2. I find it interesting because this person rarely posts, odd day to come out and be the one scenario (blind squirrel catches a nut case) to "refute" my claim (which it does not, their endeavor count is not illustrative of the population as a whole).
I see a lot of these kinds of posts...its almost too coincidental.

sarahthes · June 19

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

One can amass roughly 2125 seales per month. So roughly 25500 a year. Obviously that is playing EVERY day and doing endeavors EVERY day on top of weekly endeavor grinds. Forget that people work, goto school and have a myriad of other things that keep them from a leisurly experience making playing every day and grinding all of these endeavors out a near impossibiliy...lets forget all of that.

So if someone played every day, saved all their endeavors, not spending any of them. Saving all of them for that cool free mount that they do not know even exists (crown crate information is not published a year or more in advance). Then and only then would this mount be "free".

And TECHNICALLY speaking, nothing in this game is "free". The base game has a cost and chapters have a cost or subbing to ESO+. Not all endeavors are base game only.

I personally find it extremely interesting that you had 2 years of endeavors saved up, never swayed or persuaded by any previous offering during that time period, but had them ready for this one, that no one knew was coming.

What I said remains true. These are a FAR cry from "free".

Why is that interesting? The last time I spent endeavors on any mount was over 18 months ago as well, at least that's my best guess given I have around 25K and I don't pay attention to them, I just earn them passively when the endeavor tasks match my normal gameplay.

1. Endeavors can buy more than mounts. Meaning the lure to buy something is much greater than "just mounts"
2. I find it interesting because this person rarely posts, odd day to come out and be the one scenario (blind squirrel catches a nut case) to "refute" my claim (which it does not, their endeavor count is not illustrative of the population as a whole).
I see a lot of these kinds of posts...its almost too coincidental.

I rarely post???

Pixiepumpkin · June 19

sarahthes wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

One can amass roughly 2125 seales per month. So roughly 25500 a year. Obviously that is playing EVERY day and doing endeavors EVERY day on top of weekly endeavor grinds. Forget that people work, goto school and have a myriad of other things that keep them from a leisurly experience making playing every day and grinding all of these endeavors out a near impossibiliy...lets forget all of that.

So if someone played every day, saved all their endeavors, not spending any of them. Saving all of them for that cool free mount that they do not know even exists (crown crate information is not published a year or more in advance). Then and only then would this mount be "free".

And TECHNICALLY speaking, nothing in this game is "free". The base game has a cost and chapters have a cost or subbing to ESO+. Not all endeavors are base game only.

I personally find it extremely interesting that you had 2 years of endeavors saved up, never swayed or persuaded by any previous offering during that time period, but had them ready for this one, that no one knew was coming.

What I said remains true. These are a FAR cry from "free".

Why is that interesting? The last time I spent endeavors on any mount was over 18 months ago as well, at least that's my best guess given I have around 25K and I don't pay attention to them, I just earn them passively when the endeavor tasks match my normal gameplay.

1. Endeavors can buy more than mounts. Meaning the lure to buy something is much greater than "just mounts"
2. I find it interesting because this person rarely posts, odd day to come out and be the one scenario (blind squirrel catches a nut case) to "refute" my claim (which it does not, their endeavor count is not illustrative of the population as a whole).
I see a lot of these kinds of posts...its almost too coincidental.

I rarely post???

Re-read what I said. I never said you rarely post.

Desiato · June 19

After previewing these mounts, ZOS pls triple the cost so I hear and see fewer of them.

My god.

sarahthes · June 19

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

One can amass roughly 2125 seales per month. So roughly 25500 a year. Obviously that is playing EVERY day and doing endeavors EVERY day on top of weekly endeavor grinds. Forget that people work, goto school and have a myriad of other things that keep them from a leisurly experience making playing every day and grinding all of these endeavors out a near impossibiliy...lets forget all of that.

So if someone played every day, saved all their endeavors, not spending any of them. Saving all of them for that cool free mount that they do not know even exists (crown crate information is not published a year or more in advance). Then and only then would this mount be "free".

And TECHNICALLY speaking, nothing in this game is "free". The base game has a cost and chapters have a cost or subbing to ESO+. Not all endeavors are base game only.

I personally find it extremely interesting that you had 2 years of endeavors saved up, never swayed or persuaded by any previous offering during that time period, but had them ready for this one, that no one knew was coming.

What I said remains true. These are a FAR cry from "free".

Why is that interesting? The last time I spent endeavors on any mount was over 18 months ago as well, at least that's my best guess given I have around 25K and I don't pay attention to them, I just earn them passively when the endeavor tasks match my normal gameplay.

1. Endeavors can buy more than mounts. Meaning the lure to buy something is much greater than "just mounts"
2. I find it interesting because this person rarely posts, odd day to come out and be the one scenario (blind squirrel catches a nut case) to "refute" my claim (which it does not, their endeavor count is not illustrative of the population as a whole).
I see a lot of these kinds of posts...its almost too coincidental.

I rarely post???

Re-read what I said. I never said you rarely post.

Fair enough, the nested quotes got me there.

wolfie1.0. · June 19

Rule number 1 of life: nothing is ever truly free, terms and conditions always apply, and everything has a cost to it.

Cazador · June 19

You know, I really wouldn't mind it if you could just buy the mount and polymorph with crowns outright but this is pretty egregious.
I'm glad I don't actually want them, i don't feel like relying on the mystery box.

spartaxoxo · June 19

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

One can amass roughly 2125 seales per month. So roughly 25500 a year. Obviously that is playing EVERY day and doing endeavors EVERY day on top of weekly endeavor grinds. Forget that people work, goto school and have a myriad of other things that keep them from a leisurly experience making playing every day and grinding all of these endeavors out a near impossibiliy...lets forget all of that.

So if someone played every day, saved all their endeavors, not spending any of them. Saving all of them for that cool free mount that they do not know even exists (crown crate information is not published a year or more in advance). Then and only then would this mount be "free".

And TECHNICALLY speaking, nothing in this game is "free". The base game has a cost and chapters have a cost or subbing to ESO+. Not all endeavors are base game only.

I personally find it extremely interesting that you had 2 years of endeavors saved up, never swayed or persuaded by any previous offering during that time period, but had them ready for this one, that no one knew was coming.

What I said remains true. These are a FAR cry from "free".

Why is that interesting? The last time I spent endeavors on any mount was over 18 months ago as well, at least that's my best guess given I have around 25K and I don't pay attention to them, I just earn them passively when the endeavor tasks match my normal gameplay.

1. Endeavors can buy more than mounts. Meaning the lure to buy something is much greater than "just mounts"
2. I find it interesting because this person rarely posts, odd day to come out and be the one scenario (blind squirrel catches a nut case) to "refute" my claim (which it does not, their endeavor count is not illustrative of the population as a whole).
I see a lot of these kinds of posts...its almost too coincidental.

There's always going to be disagreement. This game has millions of accounts. If you make a claim that's true of 99% of the population, that's still 1% of the population that doesn't apply to. There are 25 million accounts so that's 250k people who could be scrolling through the official website, see something they didn't agree with because they're living proof it is not 100% of all players, and decide to post about it.

ETA

They're inevitably going to be players that had a ton of seals saved up for years, waiting for something to come along that absolutely just had to have, who will buy that prize now.

It doesn't change that a mount that asks us to blow several years of savings at once is predatory imo. The majority of players have been actually engaging with the system for years and they're essentially being punished for actually using the system the way it was designed by that pricing.

Pixiepumpkin · June 19

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

One can amass roughly 2125 seales per month. So roughly 25500 a year. Obviously that is playing EVERY day and doing endeavors EVERY day on top of weekly endeavor grinds. Forget that people work, goto school and have a myriad of other things that keep them from a leisurly experience making playing every day and grinding all of these endeavors out a near impossibiliy...lets forget all of that.

So if someone played every day, saved all their endeavors, not spending any of them. Saving all of them for that cool free mount that they do not know even exists (crown crate information is not published a year or more in advance). Then and only then would this mount be "free".

And TECHNICALLY speaking, nothing in this game is "free". The base game has a cost and chapters have a cost or subbing to ESO+. Not all endeavors are base game only.

I personally find it extremely interesting that you had 2 years of endeavors saved up, never swayed or persuaded by any previous offering during that time period, but had them ready for this one, that no one knew was coming.

What I said remains true. These are a FAR cry from "free".

Why is that interesting? The last time I spent endeavors on any mount was over 18 months ago as well, at least that's my best guess given I have around 25K and I don't pay attention to them, I just earn them passively when the endeavor tasks match my normal gameplay.

1. Endeavors can buy more than mounts. Meaning the lure to buy something is much greater than "just mounts"
2. I find it interesting because this person rarely posts, odd day to come out and be the one scenario (blind squirrel catches a nut case) to "refute" my claim (which it does not, their endeavor count is not illustrative of the population as a whole).
I see a lot of these kinds of posts...its almost too coincidental.

There's always going to be disagreement. This game has millions of accounts. If you make a claim that's true of 99% of the population, that's still 1% of the population that doesn't apply to. There are 25 million accounts so that's 250k people who could be scrolling through the official website, see something they didn't agree with because they're living proof it is not 100% of all players, and decide to post about it.

Except that there are not 25 million accounts scrolling through the forums. Take the player base who have multiple accounts (one of my guildies has 10 accounts himself), get rid of the ones who tried eso and left because they did not like it, etc etc etc and your numbers fall drastically.

Its still a convenient coincidence.

spartaxoxo · June 19

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

One can amass roughly 2125 seales per month. So roughly 25500 a year. Obviously that is playing EVERY day and doing endeavors EVERY day on top of weekly endeavor grinds. Forget that people work, goto school and have a myriad of other things that keep them from a leisurly experience making playing every day and grinding all of these endeavors out a near impossibiliy...lets forget all of that.

So if someone played every day, saved all their endeavors, not spending any of them. Saving all of them for that cool free mount that they do not know even exists (crown crate information is not published a year or more in advance). Then and only then would this mount be "free".

And TECHNICALLY speaking, nothing in this game is "free". The base game has a cost and chapters have a cost or subbing to ESO+. Not all endeavors are base game only.

I personally find it extremely interesting that you had 2 years of endeavors saved up, never swayed or persuaded by any previous offering during that time period, but had them ready for this one, that no one knew was coming.

What I said remains true. These are a FAR cry from "free".

Why is that interesting? The last time I spent endeavors on any mount was over 18 months ago as well, at least that's my best guess given I have around 25K and I don't pay attention to them, I just earn them passively when the endeavor tasks match my normal gameplay.

1. Endeavors can buy more than mounts. Meaning the lure to buy something is much greater than "just mounts"
2. I find it interesting because this person rarely posts, odd day to come out and be the one scenario (blind squirrel catches a nut case) to "refute" my claim (which it does not, their endeavor count is not illustrative of the population as a whole).
I see a lot of these kinds of posts...its almost too coincidental.

There's always going to be disagreement. This game has millions of accounts. If you make a claim that's true of 99% of the population, that's still 1% of the population that doesn't apply to. There are 25 million accounts so that's 250k people who could be scrolling through the official website, see something they didn't agree with because they're living proof it is not 100% of all players, and decide to post about it.

Except that there are not 25 million accounts scrolling through the forums. Take the player base who have multiple accounts (one of my guildies has 10 accounts himself), get rid of the ones who tried eso and left because they did not like it, etc etc etc and your numbers fall drastically.

Its still a convenient coincidence.

That doesn't matter to the overall point that there would still be millions of people who are playing this game and therefore have reason to scroll through the website. (Edit: We have no way to know the number of players of this game, so sticking to the official player numbers is best practice for rhetorical conversations.)

It's not a convenient coincidence. It is basic math. That's why sweeping, unsubstantiated claims generally weaken your argument not help it. Because claims that "nobody" does this or that is easily refuted by literally one person coming in and doing it.

Pixiepumpkin · June 19

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

One can amass roughly 2125 seales per month. So roughly 25500 a year. Obviously that is playing EVERY day and doing endeavors EVERY day on top of weekly endeavor grinds. Forget that people work, goto school and have a myriad of other things that keep them from a leisurly experience making playing every day and grinding all of these endeavors out a near impossibiliy...lets forget all of that.

So if someone played every day, saved all their endeavors, not spending any of them. Saving all of them for that cool free mount that they do not know even exists (crown crate information is not published a year or more in advance). Then and only then would this mount be "free".

And TECHNICALLY speaking, nothing in this game is "free". The base game has a cost and chapters have a cost or subbing to ESO+. Not all endeavors are base game only.

I personally find it extremely interesting that you had 2 years of endeavors saved up, never swayed or persuaded by any previous offering during that time period, but had them ready for this one, that no one knew was coming.

What I said remains true. These are a FAR cry from "free".

Why is that interesting? The last time I spent endeavors on any mount was over 18 months ago as well, at least that's my best guess given I have around 25K and I don't pay attention to them, I just earn them passively when the endeavor tasks match my normal gameplay.

1. Endeavors can buy more than mounts. Meaning the lure to buy something is much greater than "just mounts"
2. I find it interesting because this person rarely posts, odd day to come out and be the one scenario (blind squirrel catches a nut case) to "refute" my claim (which it does not, their endeavor count is not illustrative of the population as a whole).
I see a lot of these kinds of posts...its almost too coincidental.

There's always going to be disagreement. This game has millions of accounts. If you make a claim that's true of 99% of the population, that's still 1% of the population that doesn't apply to. There are 25 million accounts so that's 250k people who could be scrolling through the official website, see something they didn't agree with because they're living proof it is not 100% of all players, and decide to post about it.

Except that there are not 25 million accounts scrolling through the forums. Take the player base who have multiple accounts (one of my guildies has 10 accounts himself), get rid of the ones who tried eso and left because they did not like it, etc etc etc and your numbers fall drastically.

Its still a convenient coincidence.

That doesn't matter to the overall point that there would still be millions of people who are playing this game and therefore have reason to scroll through the website.

It's not a convenient coincidence. It is basic math. That's why sweeping, unsubstantiated claims generally weaken your argument not help it. Because claims that "nobody" does this or that is easily refuted by literally one person coming in and doing it.

Except I never made a sweeping unsubstantialted claim. Go read the OP. I just stated numbers. The one rare person with enough points to "refute" my argument (I already stated this) does not "refute it" as they project.

As the saying goes. "Even a blind squirrel can catch a nut once in awhile". Or "A broken clock is right two times a day".

I am going with convenient coincidence.

sarahthes · June 19

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

One can amass roughly 2125 seales per month. So roughly 25500 a year. Obviously that is playing EVERY day and doing endeavors EVERY day on top of weekly endeavor grinds. Forget that people work, goto school and have a myriad of other things that keep them from a leisurly experience making playing every day and grinding all of these endeavors out a near impossibiliy...lets forget all of that.

So if someone played every day, saved all their endeavors, not spending any of them. Saving all of them for that cool free mount that they do not know even exists (crown crate information is not published a year or more in advance). Then and only then would this mount be "free".

And TECHNICALLY speaking, nothing in this game is "free". The base game has a cost and chapters have a cost or subbing to ESO+. Not all endeavors are base game only.

I personally find it extremely interesting that you had 2 years of endeavors saved up, never swayed or persuaded by any previous offering during that time period, but had them ready for this one, that no one knew was coming.

What I said remains true. These are a FAR cry from "free".

Why is that interesting? The last time I spent endeavors on any mount was over 18 months ago as well, at least that's my best guess given I have around 25K and I don't pay attention to them, I just earn them passively when the endeavor tasks match my normal gameplay.

1. Endeavors can buy more than mounts. Meaning the lure to buy something is much greater than "just mounts"
2. I find it interesting because this person rarely posts, odd day to come out and be the one scenario (blind squirrel catches a nut case) to "refute" my claim (which it does not, their endeavor count is not illustrative of the population as a whole).
I see a lot of these kinds of posts...its almost too coincidental.

There's always going to be disagreement. This game has millions of accounts. If you make a claim that's true of 99% of the population, that's still 1% of the population that doesn't apply to. There are 25 million accounts so that's 250k people who could be scrolling through the official website, see something they didn't agree with because they're living proof it is not 100% of all players, and decide to post about it.

Except that there are not 25 million accounts scrolling through the forums. Take the player base who have multiple accounts (one of my guildies has 10 accounts himself), get rid of the ones who tried eso and left because they did not like it, etc etc etc and your numbers fall drastically.

Its still a convenient coincidence.

That doesn't matter to the overall point that there would still be millions of people who are playing this game and therefore have reason to scroll through the website.

It's not a convenient coincidence. It is basic math. That's why sweeping, unsubstantiated claims generally weaken your argument not help it. Because claims that "nobody" does this or that is easily refuted by literally one person coming in and doing it.

Except I never made a sweeping unsubstantialted claim. Go read the OP. I just stated numbers. The one rare person with enough points to "refute" my argument (I already stated this) does not "refute it" as they project.

As the saying goes. "Even a blind squirrel can catch a nut once in awhile". Or "A broken clock is right two times a day".

I am going with convenient coincidence.

There are a fair number of people who just don't give in to FOMO. Who shrug when they see new things in the crate/endeavor store and don't spend. I know I don't go out of my way to earn endeavors, nor do I go out of my way to spend them. I'm not unique.

spartaxoxo · June 19

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

One can amass roughly 2125 seales per month. So roughly 25500 a year. Obviously that is playing EVERY day and doing endeavors EVERY day on top of weekly endeavor grinds. Forget that people work, goto school and have a myriad of other things that keep them from a leisurly experience making playing every day and grinding all of these endeavors out a near impossibiliy...lets forget all of that.

So if someone played every day, saved all their endeavors, not spending any of them. Saving all of them for that cool free mount that they do not know even exists (crown crate information is not published a year or more in advance). Then and only then would this mount be "free".

And TECHNICALLY speaking, nothing in this game is "free". The base game has a cost and chapters have a cost or subbing to ESO+. Not all endeavors are base game only.

I personally find it extremely interesting that you had 2 years of endeavors saved up, never swayed or persuaded by any previous offering during that time period, but had them ready for this one, that no one knew was coming.

What I said remains true. These are a FAR cry from "free".

Why is that interesting? The last time I spent endeavors on any mount was over 18 months ago as well, at least that's my best guess given I have around 25K and I don't pay attention to them, I just earn them passively when the endeavor tasks match my normal gameplay.

1. Endeavors can buy more than mounts. Meaning the lure to buy something is much greater than "just mounts"
2. I find it interesting because this person rarely posts, odd day to come out and be the one scenario (blind squirrel catches a nut case) to "refute" my claim (which it does not, their endeavor count is not illustrative of the population as a whole).
I see a lot of these kinds of posts...its almost too coincidental.

There's always going to be disagreement. This game has millions of accounts. If you make a claim that's true of 99% of the population, that's still 1% of the population that doesn't apply to. There are 25 million accounts so that's 250k people who could be scrolling through the official website, see something they didn't agree with because they're living proof it is not 100% of all players, and decide to post about it.

Except that there are not 25 million accounts scrolling through the forums. Take the player base who have multiple accounts (one of my guildies has 10 accounts himself), get rid of the ones who tried eso and left because they did not like it, etc etc etc and your numbers fall drastically.

Its still a convenient coincidence.

That doesn't matter to the overall point that there would still be millions of people who are playing this game and therefore have reason to scroll through the website.

It's not a convenient coincidence. It is basic math. That's why sweeping, unsubstantiated claims generally weaken your argument not help it. Because claims that "nobody" does this or that is easily refuted by literally one person coming in and doing it.

Except I never made a sweeping unsubstantialted claim. Go read the OP. I just stated numbers. The one rare person with enough points to "refute" my argument (I already stated this) does not "refute it" as they project.

As the saying goes. "Even a blind squirrel can catch a nut once in awhile". Or "A broken clock is right two times a day".

I am going with convenient coincidence.

Sure, I'll reread. It's right here.

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

Here you did and this is the one the person was refuting. They directly quoted the "no one" phrasing and everything. They didn't know it would be the Living Senche Armor but they knew they wanted to be ready for something they wanted that was very expensive and saved accordingly. Lots of people do that, actually. They save until something comes along that they absolutely can't do without and save a ton of seals to cover any price it could be.

This person did that and got the Living Armor. Good for them. That took discipline.

ETA
I agree it doesn't take away from the claim of your overall point. I literally agree with your overall point. But the idea that no one on the server had seals ready to go for it is clearly untrue. I'm happy for that user but don't think it makes this system any less predatory. It shouldn't be priced so high that we're punished for using the seals on stuff we want from the seals store. It shouldn't take over a year of never, ever using it even once to get that or any item.

Pixiepumpkin · June 19

sarahthes wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

One can amass roughly 2125 seales per month. So roughly 25500 a year. Obviously that is playing EVERY day and doing endeavors EVERY day on top of weekly endeavor grinds. Forget that people work, goto school and have a myriad of other things that keep them from a leisurly experience making playing every day and grinding all of these endeavors out a near impossibiliy...lets forget all of that.

So if someone played every day, saved all their endeavors, not spending any of them. Saving all of them for that cool free mount that they do not know even exists (crown crate information is not published a year or more in advance). Then and only then would this mount be "free".

And TECHNICALLY speaking, nothing in this game is "free". The base game has a cost and chapters have a cost or subbing to ESO+. Not all endeavors are base game only.

I personally find it extremely interesting that you had 2 years of endeavors saved up, never swayed or persuaded by any previous offering during that time period, but had them ready for this one, that no one knew was coming.

What I said remains true. These are a FAR cry from "free".

Why is that interesting? The last time I spent endeavors on any mount was over 18 months ago as well, at least that's my best guess given I have around 25K and I don't pay attention to them, I just earn them passively when the endeavor tasks match my normal gameplay.

1. Endeavors can buy more than mounts. Meaning the lure to buy something is much greater than "just mounts"
2. I find it interesting because this person rarely posts, odd day to come out and be the one scenario (blind squirrel catches a nut case) to "refute" my claim (which it does not, their endeavor count is not illustrative of the population as a whole).
I see a lot of these kinds of posts...its almost too coincidental.

There's always going to be disagreement. This game has millions of accounts. If you make a claim that's true of 99% of the population, that's still 1% of the population that doesn't apply to. There are 25 million accounts so that's 250k people who could be scrolling through the official website, see something they didn't agree with because they're living proof it is not 100% of all players, and decide to post about it.

Except that there are not 25 million accounts scrolling through the forums. Take the player base who have multiple accounts (one of my guildies has 10 accounts himself), get rid of the ones who tried eso and left because they did not like it, etc etc etc and your numbers fall drastically.

Its still a convenient coincidence.

That doesn't matter to the overall point that there would still be millions of people who are playing this game and therefore have reason to scroll through the website.

It's not a convenient coincidence. It is basic math. That's why sweeping, unsubstantiated claims generally weaken your argument not help it. Because claims that "nobody" does this or that is easily refuted by literally one person coming in and doing it.

Except I never made a sweeping unsubstantialted claim. Go read the OP. I just stated numbers. The one rare person with enough points to "refute" my argument (I already stated this) does not "refute it" as they project.

As the saying goes. "Even a blind squirrel can catch a nut once in awhile". Or "A broken clock is right two times a day".

I am going with convenient coincidence.

There are a fair number of people who just don't give in to FOMO. Who shrug when they see new things in the crate/endeavor store and don't spend. I know I don't go out of my way to earn endeavors, nor do I go out of my way to spend them. I'm not unique.

You just described me. I think I have bought 4 things from endeavors, none of them mounts or expensive stuff and I am at 8k right now and it took me 6 months to get there.

You proved my OP moreso than I could. Thank you.

Pixiepumpkin · June 19

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

LordDraw wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

So I'm "no one" because I saved enough (I also missed buying some cosmetics like Dancer personality from Carnaval Crates btw) and when Akatosh vs. Alduin Crate appeared, I had....57280 seals of Endeavor. And yes, I bought Dragonclash Living Armor Senche, World-Eater's Living Armor and Time's Herald Living Armor for seals.

Note that there's still plenty amount of time to get either seals or crown gems to snatch them.

One can amass roughly 2125 seales per month. So roughly 25500 a year. Obviously that is playing EVERY day and doing endeavors EVERY day on top of weekly endeavor grinds. Forget that people work, goto school and have a myriad of other things that keep them from a leisurly experience making playing every day and grinding all of these endeavors out a near impossibiliy...lets forget all of that.

So if someone played every day, saved all their endeavors, not spending any of them. Saving all of them for that cool free mount that they do not know even exists (crown crate information is not published a year or more in advance). Then and only then would this mount be "free".

And TECHNICALLY speaking, nothing in this game is "free". The base game has a cost and chapters have a cost or subbing to ESO+. Not all endeavors are base game only.

I personally find it extremely interesting that you had 2 years of endeavors saved up, never swayed or persuaded by any previous offering during that time period, but had them ready for this one, that no one knew was coming.

What I said remains true. These are a FAR cry from "free".

Why is that interesting? The last time I spent endeavors on any mount was over 18 months ago as well, at least that's my best guess given I have around 25K and I don't pay attention to them, I just earn them passively when the endeavor tasks match my normal gameplay.

1. Endeavors can buy more than mounts. Meaning the lure to buy something is much greater than "just mounts"
2. I find it interesting because this person rarely posts, odd day to come out and be the one scenario (blind squirrel catches a nut case) to "refute" my claim (which it does not, their endeavor count is not illustrative of the population as a whole).
I see a lot of these kinds of posts...its almost too coincidental.

There's always going to be disagreement. This game has millions of accounts. If you make a claim that's true of 99% of the population, that's still 1% of the population that doesn't apply to. There are 25 million accounts so that's 250k people who could be scrolling through the official website, see something they didn't agree with because they're living proof it is not 100% of all players, and decide to post about it.

Except that there are not 25 million accounts scrolling through the forums. Take the player base who have multiple accounts (one of my guildies has 10 accounts himself), get rid of the ones who tried eso and left because they did not like it, etc etc etc and your numbers fall drastically.

Its still a convenient coincidence.

That doesn't matter to the overall point that there would still be millions of people who are playing this game and therefore have reason to scroll through the website.

It's not a convenient coincidence. It is basic math. That's why sweeping, unsubstantiated claims generally weaken your argument not help it. Because claims that "nobody" does this or that is easily refuted by literally one person coming in and doing it.

Except I never made a sweeping unsubstantialted claim. Go read the OP. I just stated numbers. The one rare person with enough points to "refute" my argument (I already stated this) does not "refute it" as they project.

As the saying goes. "Even a blind squirrel can catch a nut once in awhile". Or "A broken clock is right two times a day".

I am going with convenient coincidence.

Sure, I'll reread. It's right here.

So unless you knew over a year ago to save for these free items (which no one did), then and only then could they be "free".

Here you did and this is the one the person was refuting. They didn't know it would be the living senche armor but they knew they wanted to be ready for something they wanted that was very expensive and saved accordingly. Lots of people do that, actually. They save until something comes along that they absolutely can't do without and save a ton of seals to cover any price it could be.

This person did that and got the living armor. Good for them. That took discipline.

There is not a soul alive that does not work or is affiilated with zenimax online that knew these mounts would come out at this time with free offerings requiring 25000 endeavors a year ago. Nothing I stated was incorrect, or even hyperbole.

tsaescishoeshiner · June 19

It's not "bait" to call it free when that just indicates that it's free when you have the requirements, which do themselves cost endeavors/gems/Crowns/gold for gifting trade.

Everything in the shop lists its price. Otherwise people wouldn't know how much it cost if they met the requirements.