Disappointed - US Anniversary event canceled

silky_soft · December 6

100% they don't want to be asked about how our qol has not improved and actually degraded.

OtarTheMad · December 6

Jaraal wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Lizzy_the_Alchemist wrote: »

I want to know why. Like 20 friends and I have been planning this since they said there would be an event in Baltimore. And the fact that they locked comments makes me angry. We have spent thousands of dollars on this game over a decade and you all can't be bothered to give us an event that isn't in Europe? And you can't allow us any input or give us any kind of reason whatsoever? So you don't care what we want, you just want our money. I have never felt that way. I have always made excuses for every failure and insisted on giving the benefit of the doubt and being patient. This is ridiculous and incredibly disappointing. I can't imagine a good reason for this other than they don't feel like it. >:(

It is what it is, but if it came down to a choice between a live event and in game content I would choose the latter.

Except the roadmap was revealed to be reduced content going forward, and more focus on "QoL and bug fixes."

Formulate your own conclusions.

Except Kevin came on these forums and said that changing to reduced content and focusing on bugs was due to feedback, (which is true, we’ve asked for years) but they heard us say we want more content now and he passed that along.

Do you feel that there are more bugs, less bugs, or the same amount of bugs in the game since they announced 'focusing on bug fixes?'

Honestly, for the content I do I’d say less but I don’t PvP much anymore. I just stick to PvE, and I don’t run into any. But that’s just my experience.

JiubLeRepenti · December 6

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Lizzy_the_Alchemist wrote: »

I want to know why. Like 20 friends and I have been planning this since they said there would be an event in Baltimore. And the fact that they locked comments makes me angry. We have spent thousands of dollars on this game over a decade and you all can't be bothered to give us an event that isn't in Europe? And you can't allow us any input or give us any kind of reason whatsoever? So you don't care what we want, you just want our money. I have never felt that way. I have always made excuses for every failure and insisted on giving the benefit of the doubt and being patient. This is ridiculous and incredibly disappointing. I can't imagine a good reason for this other than they don't feel like it. >:(

It is what it is, but if it came down to a choice between a live event and in game content I would choose the latter.

Except the roadmap was revealed to be reduced content going forward, and more focus on "QoL and bug fixes."

Formulate your own conclusions.

Except Kevin came on these forums and said that changing to reduced content and focusing on bugs was due to feedback, (which is true, we’ve asked for years) but they heard us say we want more content now and he passed that along.

Do you feel that there are more bugs, less bugs, or the same amount of bugs in the game since they announced 'focusing on bug fixes?'

Honestly, for the content I do I’d say less but I don’t PvP much anymore. I just stick to PvE, and I don’t run into any. But that’s just my experience.

I honestly don't see any significant difference in terms of bugs in both PvP and PvE after 8,000 hours in-game.

Maybe a few fewer crashes, but that's about it. I can't say if the game is more stable now compared to a few years ago. I sincerely don't see any real difference.

kevkj · December 6

I was never going to attend any sort of in-person event, but the cancellation is antithetical to the media victory lap that has been happening all year about how great and successful ESO has been and supposedly still is. This news amongst other in-game related occurrences definitely adds to my growing feeling that the anniversary, if not the whole game itself is petering out. Perhaps the game is actually still doing as amazing as they say, but then for whatever reason it has been decided that the money not be reinvested into the game (or game related event in this case).

WhiteCoatSyndrome · December 6

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

MS has been cutting budgets of all their game studios since Sept. so this really doesn't surprise me.

I wish they would just say that. Telling us it was canceled due to "budget restraints" or "a new budget plan" would be understandable but just canceling it and letting us all guess isn't great. Minds can wander and connect dots that have no business being connected and it spirals.

Agree with this. I’m less bothered that they canceled it and more bothered that they cancelled it without explanation. It comes off as way more sinister that way, like they know we wouldn’t like the explanation if they gave it.

And yes as an NA player it’s hard not to feel shortchanged.

spartaxoxo · December 6

As a NA player, it makes it hard to feel like ZOS cares about our concerns when they do something like this without any explanation. I'm sure that's not true, since it's probably a budget reason or something like that. But, it certainly feels that way when it sounds like EU will continue to get in-person things.

Destai · December 6

This is where communication needs to step up. Having us all guess just furthers tensions, ZOS. Getting an explanation will be so much better for the situation. You will gain so much credence if you do. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

LonePirate · December 6

I originally thought this cancellation was budget related but after some thought, I am not so sure. The event was scheduled for DC-Baltimore area where the ZOS home office is. There would be no travel expenses or hotel bills or food allowances to expense like there would be if the event was being hosted somewhere else. Pretty much the only expenses would be the facility rental along with any setup and general event expenses. Could those costs forced a cancellation of the event? Perhaps. I'm thinking something else is afoot; but I have no idea what it is. I do think that the reason will not reflect well on the game, though.

moderatelyfatman · December 6

LonePirate wrote: »

I originally thought this cancellation was budget related but after some thought, I am not so sure. The event was scheduled for DC-Baltimore area where the ZOS home office is. There would be no travel expenses or hotel bills or food allowances to expense like there would be if the event was being hosted somewhere else. Pretty much the only expenses would be the facility rental along with any setup and general event expenses. Could those costs forced a cancellation of the event? Perhaps. I'm thinking something else is afoot; but I have no idea what it is. I do think that the reason will not reflect well on the game, though.

I'm throwing out the possibility that Microsoft isn't happy with the general direction of the game since acquisition and is dropping the hammer on some major restructuring of ZOS in 2025.It makes sense to cancel public events while they get their house in order.

If this is the case, then despite the difficult times ahead, I have hope for the future of this game.

OtarTheMad · December 7

LonePirate wrote: »

I originally thought this cancellation was budget related but after some thought, I am not so sure. The event was scheduled for DC-Baltimore area where the ZOS home office is. There would be no travel expenses or hotel bills or food allowances to expense like there would be if the event was being hosted somewhere else. Pretty much the only expenses would be the facility rental along with any setup and general event expenses. Could those costs forced a cancellation of the event? Perhaps. I'm thinking something else is afoot; but I have no idea what it is. I do think that the reason will not reflect well on the game, though.

This is a great point and I forgot about that. We need an explanation because nothing they say can be worse than what some have said already or thinking.

I actually am guessing it has a little to do with that BG the devs did and all the drama. Kind of like higher ups saying “we did a lot for you and you say this stuff, nope. Event gone.” Corporate side of anything can be very cold towards others.

AzuraFan · December 7

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I actually am guessing it has a little to do with that BG the devs did and all the drama. Kind of like higher ups saying “we did a lot for you and you say this stuff, nope. Event gone.” Corporate side of anything can be very cold towards others.

Why would only NA be punished, though? And why punish everyone? Usually the people who turn up at these events are the game's biggest fans.

Whatever the reason for the cancellation, I doubt it's good. I'm wondering if the end-of-year letter or the January preview of what's to come (if there is one) will shed some light. If there won't be much new content released or the game is going into maintenance mode, I doubt they'd want to hold an in-person event in 2025. At the very least, something has changed for them to cancel this event.

(It can't be worrying about facing players in person, otherwise they'd cancel all in-person appearances.)

OtarTheMad · December 7

AzuraFan wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I actually am guessing it has a little to do with that BG the devs did and all the drama. Kind of like higher ups saying “we did a lot for you and you say this stuff, nope. Event gone.” Corporate side of anything can be very cold towards others.

Why would only NA be punished, though? And why punish everyone? Usually the people who turn up at these events are the game's biggest fans.

Whatever the reason for the cancellation, I doubt it's good. I'm wondering if the end-of-year letter or the January preview of what's to come (if there is one) will shed some light. If there won't be much new content released or the game is going into maintenance mode, I doubt they'd want to hold an in-person event in 2025. At the very least, something has changed for them to cancel this event.

(It can't be worrying about facing players in person, otherwise they'd cancel all in-person appearances.)

My theory is more of a tin foil hat theory than a good one. It feels fishy though.

I am starting to feel like this is weird, they waited a long time too. Usually they’d announce the in person event this month and start the ticket stuff right? I don’t think maintenance mode is a thing, the increase in content will probably take some time too. The change when they decreased it took time too. Devs have said they plan things out like 3 years in advance so maybe 2026 will have an increase. Kevin did mention it would take some time.

XimTheBard · December 7

I really do not understand the thought process behind cancelling such a momentous event. An event that holds such meaning to the community as a whole. This kind of 10th anniversary event can only happen once, it would be one thing if it was just a yearly meetup, but this ISN'T a regular yearly meetup. This is the 10 year anniversary celebration.

This very much appears like something that was not a decision by ZOS but by something higher up. Considering their track record of putting importance on their meetups thus far.

JoeCapricorn · December 7

What a disappointment. I was thinking of driving to Baltimore for the event myself and was just waiting for details when it got closer or tickets/RSVPs were available. It's not that far of a drive, about 3 hours, and there is a Quizno's on the way!

Other events in North America in the past were all far away - an airplane flight away, and as someone who hasn't been in an airplane since 2007 it's far enough and I'd be gone from home long enough that I'd probably not want to really make that kind of trip. I don't have anyone to babysit my bugs for that long, besides misting them.

And I also was looking forward to the chance to tell some of the developers how much Elder Scrolls Online means to me. Although, in a way I have gotten to do that in person on two instances where I saw someone with an ESO shirt on at the PA Renaissance Faire and they turned out to be a developer.

But I kinda want to meet Matt and Rich and Gina and Jennifer to tell them that ESO has been a light for my darkest times, and the rich immersive world that has been created is a work of art that needs to be preserved for decades to come.

tomofhyrule · December 7

AzuraFan wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I actually am guessing it has a little to do with that BG the devs did and all the drama. Kind of like higher ups saying “we did a lot for you and you say this stuff, nope. Event gone.” Corporate side of anything can be very cold towards others.

Whatever the reason for the cancellation, I doubt it's good. I'm wondering if the end-of-year letter or the January preview of what's to come (if there is one) will shed some light. If there won't be much new content released or the game is going into maintenance mode, I doubt they'd want to hold an in-person event in 2025. At the very least, something has changed for them to cancel this event.

Problem is that the lack of any other word from the devs makes this sound like the most likely explanation...

It's definitely been noticeable that there's been a lot of discontent lately on the forum. The fact that the last two years had "QoL and bugfixes" in the Q3 and Q4 patches instead of a second set of dungeons and another zone definitely was raising hackles here because it really felt like the cadence of everything was slowing down considerably. We were all hoping that it would pick back up, but... now with this news...

While ZOS plans things out years in advance, that doesn't necessarily guarantee they're coming (see also: the planned NA event...). But this is also being presented as a surprise - even the Stream Team people were blown away by this and first heard about it the same was we did. I'd guess if funding was being reduced, it would depend on the status of things in production. I do expect that by this time they should be pretty well finished with the Q1 stuff and probably about 75% of the way done with the Q2 Chapter though, so I'd expect that stuff may still be able to release. But any DLC beyond that might still be in the pre-production stage, so if the plug is being pulled...

This is 100% one of those cases where someone should come in and put out fires before we start to make up our own explanations. Because that's what we're doing, and it's not going to make the playerbase any happier.

DemonicGoat · December 7

The egg on their face from the bg stream is still plain to see,

tomofhyrule wrote: »

AzuraFan wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I actually am guessing it has a little to do with that BG the devs did and all the drama. Kind of like higher ups saying “we did a lot for you and you say this stuff, nope. Event gone.” Corporate side of anything can be very cold towards others.

Whatever the reason for the cancellation, I doubt it's good. I'm wondering if the end-of-year letter or the January preview of what's to come (if there is one) will shed some light. If there won't be much new content released or the game is going into maintenance mode, I doubt they'd want to hold an in-person event in 2025. At the very least, something has changed for them to cancel this event.

Problem is that the lack of any other word from the devs makes this sound like the most likely explanation...

It's definitely been noticeable that there's been a lot of discontent lately on the forum. The fact that the last two years had "QoL and bugfixes" in the Q3 and Q4 patches instead of a second set of dungeons and another zone definitely was raising hackles here because it really felt like the cadence of everything was slowing down considerably. We were all hoping that it would pick back up, but... now with this news...

While ZOS plans things out years in advance, that doesn't necessarily guarantee they're coming (see also: the planned NA event...). But this is also being presented as a surprise - even the Stream Team people were blown away by this and first heard about it the same was we did. I'd guess if funding was being reduced, it would depend on the status of things in production. I do expect that by this time they should be pretty well finished with the Q1 stuff and probably about 75% of the way done with the Q2 Chapter though, so I'd expect that stuff may still be able to release. But any DLC beyond that might still be in the pre-production stage, so if the plug is being pulled...

This is 100% one of those cases where someone should come in and put out fires before we start to make up our own explanations. Because that's what we're doing, and it's not going to make the playerbase any happier.

And with how the BG event stream recently went down, how the devs reacted to people seeing what they saw there, how they said theyre committed to better communication not 2 weeks ago...

Mind boggling.

freespirit · December 7

I'm starting to dread the yearly message at this point!!

OtarTheMad · December 7

tomofhyrule wrote: »

AzuraFan wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I actually am guessing it has a little to do with that BG the devs did and all the drama. Kind of like higher ups saying “we did a lot for you and you say this stuff, nope. Event gone.” Corporate side of anything can be very cold towards others.

Whatever the reason for the cancellation, I doubt it's good. I'm wondering if the end-of-year letter or the January preview of what's to come (if there is one) will shed some light. If there won't be much new content released or the game is going into maintenance mode, I doubt they'd want to hold an in-person event in 2025. At the very least, something has changed for them to cancel this event.

Problem is that the lack of any other word from the devs makes this sound like the most likely explanation...

It's definitely been noticeable that there's been a lot of discontent lately on the forum. The fact that the last two years had "QoL and bugfixes" in the Q3 and Q4 patches instead of a second set of dungeons and another zone definitely was raising hackles here because it really felt like the cadence of everything was slowing down considerably. We were all hoping that it would pick back up, but... now with this news...

While ZOS plans things out years in advance, that doesn't necessarily guarantee they're coming (see also: the planned NA event...). But this is also being presented as a surprise - even the Stream Team people were blown away by this and first heard about it the same was we did. I'd guess if funding was being reduced, it would depend on the status of things in production. I do expect that by this time they should be pretty well finished with the Q1 stuff and probably about 75% of the way done with the Q2 Chapter though, so I'd expect that stuff may still be able to release. But any DLC beyond that might still be in the pre-production stage, so if the plug is being pulled...

This is 100% one of those cases where someone should come in and put out fires before we start to make up our own explanations. Because that's what we're doing, and it's not going to make the playerbase any happier.

The change to the Q3 and 4 DLC was due to feedback. Ever since probably Greymoor players have been asking for less content and more fixes, they finally did it. This was something Kevin mentioned back in October... I'll post it here:

However content wise, our current cadence as some have already mentioned, was adjusting to player feedback from a few years ago. However we are hearing different feedback now and have passed that along to the powers that be.

One thing to keep in mind is that shifting content cadence is not easy because we are working on content as far out as 18-24 months. So shifting things causes all kinds of hurdles. But we hear the feedback about content and are not taking it lightly. We have passed it on. Any other updates are not for me to share right now.

Durnik · December 7

Seems like another nail being driven in. This company keeps finding new ways to tell me I'm not important to them. It's 10 years. 10. 1 and 2 are super telling cause it shows you did something right. 10 is a MILESTONE. I was looking forward to something but am disappointed.

DemonicGoat · December 7

OtarTheMad wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

AzuraFan wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I actually am guessing it has a little to do with that BG the devs did and all the drama. Kind of like higher ups saying “we did a lot for you and you say this stuff, nope. Event gone.” Corporate side of anything can be very cold towards others.

Whatever the reason for the cancellation, I doubt it's good. I'm wondering if the end-of-year letter or the January preview of what's to come (if there is one) will shed some light. If there won't be much new content released or the game is going into maintenance mode, I doubt they'd want to hold an in-person event in 2025. At the very least, something has changed for them to cancel this event.

Problem is that the lack of any other word from the devs makes this sound like the most likely explanation...

It's definitely been noticeable that there's been a lot of discontent lately on the forum. The fact that the last two years had "QoL and bugfixes" in the Q3 and Q4 patches instead of a second set of dungeons and another zone definitely was raising hackles here because it really felt like the cadence of everything was slowing down considerably. We were all hoping that it would pick back up, but... now with this news...

While ZOS plans things out years in advance, that doesn't necessarily guarantee they're coming (see also: the planned NA event...). But this is also being presented as a surprise - even the Stream Team people were blown away by this and first heard about it the same was we did. I'd guess if funding was being reduced, it would depend on the status of things in production. I do expect that by this time they should be pretty well finished with the Q1 stuff and probably about 75% of the way done with the Q2 Chapter though, so I'd expect that stuff may still be able to release. But any DLC beyond that might still be in the pre-production stage, so if the plug is being pulled...

This is 100% one of those cases where someone should come in and put out fires before we start to make up our own explanations. Because that's what we're doing, and it's not going to make the playerbase any happier.

The change to the Q3 and 4 DLC was due to feedback. Ever since probably Greymoor players have been asking for less content and more fixes, they finally did it. This was something Kevin mentioned back in October... I'll post it here:

However content wise, our current cadence as some have already mentioned, was adjusting to player feedback from a few years ago. However we are hearing different feedback now and have passed that along to the powers that be.

One thing to keep in mind is that shifting content cadence is not easy because we are working on content as far out as 18-24 months. So shifting things causes all kinds of hurdles. But we hear the feedback about content and are not taking it lightly. We have passed it on. Any other updates are not for me to share right now.

True, people did want some fixes... Fixes for things like "stuck in combat" and other big things,.. and easy little things. And in hindsight I think they should have just kept pumping out content, there was no way they could bugfix and QOL their way out of the expectations of so many people with grievances , AND the expectations they created in the general playerbase.

OtarTheMad · December 7

DemonicGoat wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

AzuraFan wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I actually am guessing it has a little to do with that BG the devs did and all the drama. Kind of like higher ups saying “we did a lot for you and you say this stuff, nope. Event gone.” Corporate side of anything can be very cold towards others.

Whatever the reason for the cancellation, I doubt it's good. I'm wondering if the end-of-year letter or the January preview of what's to come (if there is one) will shed some light. If there won't be much new content released or the game is going into maintenance mode, I doubt they'd want to hold an in-person event in 2025. At the very least, something has changed for them to cancel this event.

Problem is that the lack of any other word from the devs makes this sound like the most likely explanation...

It's definitely been noticeable that there's been a lot of discontent lately on the forum. The fact that the last two years had "QoL and bugfixes" in the Q3 and Q4 patches instead of a second set of dungeons and another zone definitely was raising hackles here because it really felt like the cadence of everything was slowing down considerably. We were all hoping that it would pick back up, but... now with this news...

While ZOS plans things out years in advance, that doesn't necessarily guarantee they're coming (see also: the planned NA event...). But this is also being presented as a surprise - even the Stream Team people were blown away by this and first heard about it the same was we did. I'd guess if funding was being reduced, it would depend on the status of things in production. I do expect that by this time they should be pretty well finished with the Q1 stuff and probably about 75% of the way done with the Q2 Chapter though, so I'd expect that stuff may still be able to release. But any DLC beyond that might still be in the pre-production stage, so if the plug is being pulled...

This is 100% one of those cases where someone should come in and put out fires before we start to make up our own explanations. Because that's what we're doing, and it's not going to make the playerbase any happier.

The change to the Q3 and 4 DLC was due to feedback. Ever since probably Greymoor players have been asking for less content and more fixes, they finally did it. This was something Kevin mentioned back in October... I'll post it here:

However content wise, our current cadence as some have already mentioned, was adjusting to player feedback from a few years ago. However we are hearing different feedback now and have passed that along to the powers that be.

One thing to keep in mind is that shifting content cadence is not easy because we are working on content as far out as 18-24 months. So shifting things causes all kinds of hurdles. But we hear the feedback about content and are not taking it lightly. We have passed it on. Any other updates are not for me to share right now.

True, people did want some fixes... Fixes for things like "stuck in combat" and other big things,.. and easy little things. And in hindsight I think they should have just kept pumping out content, there was no way they could bugfix and QOL their way out of the expectations of so many people with grievances , AND the expectations they created in the general playerbase.

Yeah probably. I did love the Q3 patch notes during the Necrom year though, we needed those.

Maybe, instead of relying on us to control the tempo they do content they just do a “bug fix year” like Necrom every 3 or 5 years or so. It would give us content heavy years and then one where the writers and builders can breathe a bit and they can also fix stuff.

I_killed_Vivec · December 7

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Lizzy_the_Alchemist wrote: »

I want to know why. Like 20 friends and I have been planning this since they said there would be an event in Baltimore. And the fact that they locked comments makes me angry. We have spent thousands of dollars on this game over a decade and you all can't be bothered to give us an event that isn't in Europe? And you can't allow us any input or give us any kind of reason whatsoever? So you don't care what we want, you just want our money. I have never felt that way. I have always made excuses for every failure and insisted on giving the benefit of the doubt and being patient. This is ridiculous and incredibly disappointing. I can't imagine a good reason for this other than they don't feel like it. >:(

It is what it is, but if it came down to a choice between a live event and in game content I would choose the latter.

Except the roadmap was revealed to be reduced content going forward, and more focus on "QoL and bug fixes."

Formulate your own conclusions.

Except Kevin came on these forums and said that changing to reduced content and focusing on bugs was due to feedback, (which is true, we’ve asked for years) but they heard us say we want more content now and he passed that along.

People have been asking for bug fixes for years, but not at the cost of reduced content that we pay for in chapters or DLC paid by ESO+.

Some people might have answered polls about which region the next chapter should feature with an exasperated "Forget about new content, I just wish they'd fix Cyrodiil", but it is disingenuous to suggest that this is a serious mandate for cutting the content we receive (and pay for with ESO+).

Also, if they are going to say "Look, we are responsive, you asked for bug fixes at the cost of content", then why can't they respond to all the posts that say it's a rip off for ESO+, maybe OK once, as an extreme measure, but definitely not a permanent feature.

And if they really want to demonstrate how responsive they can be then why don't they fix things?!

fizzylu · December 7

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

People have been asking for bug fixes for years, but not at the cost of reduced content that we pay for in chapters or DLC paid by ESO+.

This. ESO is a MMO, and a triple A title one apparently, with a company that has proudly stated how much money the game has made. Bug fixes and QoL updates should never be replacing actual new content/features.

OtarTheMad · December 7

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Lizzy_the_Alchemist wrote: »

I want to know why. Like 20 friends and I have been planning this since they said there would be an event in Baltimore. And the fact that they locked comments makes me angry. We have spent thousands of dollars on this game over a decade and you all can't be bothered to give us an event that isn't in Europe? And you can't allow us any input or give us any kind of reason whatsoever? So you don't care what we want, you just want our money. I have never felt that way. I have always made excuses for every failure and insisted on giving the benefit of the doubt and being patient. This is ridiculous and incredibly disappointing. I can't imagine a good reason for this other than they don't feel like it. >:(

It is what it is, but if it came down to a choice between a live event and in game content I would choose the latter.

Except the roadmap was revealed to be reduced content going forward, and more focus on "QoL and bug fixes."

Formulate your own conclusions.

Except Kevin came on these forums and said that changing to reduced content and focusing on bugs was due to feedback, (which is true, we’ve asked for years) but they heard us say we want more content now and he passed that along.

People have been asking for bug fixes for years, but not at the cost of reduced content that we pay for in chapters or DLC paid by ESO+.

Some people might have answered polls about which region the next chapter should feature with an exasperated "Forget about new content, I just wish they'd fix Cyrodiil", but it is disingenuous to suggest that this is a serious mandate for cutting the content we receive (and pay for with ESO+).

Also, if they are going to say "Look, we are responsive, you asked for bug fixes at the cost of content", then why can't they respond to all the posts that say it's a rip off for ESO+, maybe OK once, as an extreme measure, but definitely not a permanent feature.

And if they really want to demonstrate how responsive they can be then why don't they fix things?!

Yes, they did. Sadly I am way too active on these forums. I did a quick search:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7715011#Comment_7715011
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7593639#Comment_7593639
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6126444#Comment_6126444
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7746121#Comment_7746121
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/502141/stop-just-stop
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6786270#Comment_6786270
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6183722#Comment_6183722

And those are just the ones I found quickly using a phrase which was "stop content", imagine if I tried other ways of saying that. That was just page 1 and 2 basically as well. So it came up a lot, apparently around 2019-2020.

I_killed_Vivec · December 7

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Lizzy_the_Alchemist wrote: »

I want to know why. Like 20 friends and I have been planning this since they said there would be an event in Baltimore. And the fact that they locked comments makes me angry. We have spent thousands of dollars on this game over a decade and you all can't be bothered to give us an event that isn't in Europe? And you can't allow us any input or give us any kind of reason whatsoever? So you don't care what we want, you just want our money. I have never felt that way. I have always made excuses for every failure and insisted on giving the benefit of the doubt and being patient. This is ridiculous and incredibly disappointing. I can't imagine a good reason for this other than they don't feel like it. >:(

It is what it is, but if it came down to a choice between a live event and in game content I would choose the latter.

Except the roadmap was revealed to be reduced content going forward, and more focus on "QoL and bug fixes."

Formulate your own conclusions.

Except Kevin came on these forums and said that changing to reduced content and focusing on bugs was due to feedback, (which is true, we’ve asked for years) but they heard us say we want more content now and he passed that along.

People have been asking for bug fixes for years, but not at the cost of reduced content that we pay for in chapters or DLC paid by ESO+.

Some people might have answered polls about which region the next chapter should feature with an exasperated "Forget about new content, I just wish they'd fix Cyrodiil", but it is disingenuous to suggest that this is a serious mandate for cutting the content we receive (and pay for with ESO+).

Also, if they are going to say "Look, we are responsive, you asked for bug fixes at the cost of content", then why can't they respond to all the posts that say it's a rip off for ESO+, maybe OK once, as an extreme measure, but definitely not a permanent feature.

And if they really want to demonstrate how responsive they can be then why don't they fix things?!

Yes, they did. Sadly I am way too active on these forums. I did a quick search:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7715011#Comment_7715011
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7593639#Comment_7593639
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6126444#Comment_6126444
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7746121#Comment_7746121
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/502141/stop-just-stop
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6786270#Comment_6786270
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6183722#Comment_6183722

And those are just the ones I found quickly using a phrase which was "stop content", imagine if I tried other ways of saying that. That was just page 1 and 2 basically as well. So it came up a lot, apparently around 2019-2020.

The dangers of searches! Some of those prefix "stop content" with "don't"!

"Stop just stop" is indeed an outright call to stop content creation until bugs are fixed, and did get a lot of agrees.

Some of them are "of their time" - discussing the issues of content creation during covid lockdown, and suggesting that it might be better to avoid the pressures of developing new stuff and concentrate on bug fixes.

I'm sure you could do a similar search to find the unhappiness at the loss of content while ZoS fix the mistakes they made.

But again, it is disingenuous to suggest that content developers (coming up with storylines, location design, NPCs, all the new materials, leads, designs, etc.) are the same people who would be involved in bug fixing (which should be an on-going process in any case).

It should be possible to do both.

LalMirchi · December 7

[quote@ZOS_JessicaFolsom ]... we will no longer be hosting an additional large-scale in-person event in North America. ...[/quote]

Scouring the announcement for any reason for the cancellation I find none.

Absence of information and a very perfunctory statement only leads to speculation and in no way bridges the communication gap.

Rkindaleft · December 7

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Lizzy_the_Alchemist wrote: »

I want to know why. Like 20 friends and I have been planning this since they said there would be an event in Baltimore. And the fact that they locked comments makes me angry. We have spent thousands of dollars on this game over a decade and you all can't be bothered to give us an event that isn't in Europe? And you can't allow us any input or give us any kind of reason whatsoever? So you don't care what we want, you just want our money. I have never felt that way. I have always made excuses for every failure and insisted on giving the benefit of the doubt and being patient. This is ridiculous and incredibly disappointing. I can't imagine a good reason for this other than they don't feel like it. >:(

It is what it is, but if it came down to a choice between a live event and in game content I would choose the latter.

Except the roadmap was revealed to be reduced content going forward, and more focus on "QoL and bug fixes."

Formulate your own conclusions.

Except Kevin came on these forums and said that changing to reduced content and focusing on bugs was due to feedback, (which is true, we’ve asked for years) but they heard us say we want more content now and he passed that along.

People have been asking for bug fixes for years, but not at the cost of reduced content that we pay for in chapters or DLC paid by ESO+.

Some people might have answered polls about which region the next chapter should feature with an exasperated "Forget about new content, I just wish they'd fix Cyrodiil", but it is disingenuous to suggest that this is a serious mandate for cutting the content we receive (and pay for with ESO+).

Also, if they are going to say "Look, we are responsive, you asked for bug fixes at the cost of content", then why can't they respond to all the posts that say it's a rip off for ESO+, maybe OK once, as an extreme measure, but definitely not a permanent feature.

And if they really want to demonstrate how responsive they can be then why don't they fix things?!

Yes, they did. Sadly I am way too active on these forums. I did a quick search:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7715011#Comment_7715011
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7593639#Comment_7593639
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6126444#Comment_6126444
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7746121#Comment_7746121
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/502141/stop-just-stop
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6786270#Comment_6786270
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6183722#Comment_6183722

And those are just the ones I found quickly using a phrase which was "stop content", imagine if I tried other ways of saying that. That was just page 1 and 2 basically as well. So it came up a lot, apparently around 2019-2020.

I remember these posts except they never made sense because every other developer I can think of (especially at the AAA level) can do bug fixes and release new content at the same time. There should have never been a reason to do this. It just gave them an excuse to release less content.

You can ask everyone who said that and I think 99% of them would backtrack that statement because now we have like no content for half of the year and we barely get any more fixes then we did previously. There are major bugs that have been in the game for years and have had hundreds or even thousands of bug reports and still exist to this day. What has to be going on behind the scenes at ZOS for them to not do fixes and proper QoL in updates that are now entirely centred around fixes and QoL?

JiubLeRepenti · December 7

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Lizzy_the_Alchemist wrote: »

I want to know why. Like 20 friends and I have been planning this since they said there would be an event in Baltimore. And the fact that they locked comments makes me angry. We have spent thousands of dollars on this game over a decade and you all can't be bothered to give us an event that isn't in Europe? And you can't allow us any input or give us any kind of reason whatsoever? So you don't care what we want, you just want our money. I have never felt that way. I have always made excuses for every failure and insisted on giving the benefit of the doubt and being patient. This is ridiculous and incredibly disappointing. I can't imagine a good reason for this other than they don't feel like it. >:(

It is what it is, but if it came down to a choice between a live event and in game content I would choose the latter.

Except the roadmap was revealed to be reduced content going forward, and more focus on "QoL and bug fixes."

Formulate your own conclusions.

Except Kevin came on these forums and said that changing to reduced content and focusing on bugs was due to feedback, (which is true, we’ve asked for years) but they heard us say we want more content now and he passed that along.

People have been asking for bug fixes for years, but not at the cost of reduced content that we pay for in chapters or DLC paid by ESO+.

Some people might have answered polls about which region the next chapter should feature with an exasperated "Forget about new content, I just wish they'd fix Cyrodiil", but it is disingenuous to suggest that this is a serious mandate for cutting the content we receive (and pay for with ESO+).

Also, if they are going to say "Look, we are responsive, you asked for bug fixes at the cost of content", then why can't they respond to all the posts that say it's a rip off for ESO+, maybe OK once, as an extreme measure, but definitely not a permanent feature.

And if they really want to demonstrate how responsive they can be then why don't they fix things?!

Yes, they did. Sadly I am way too active on these forums. I did a quick search:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7715011#Comment_7715011
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7593639#Comment_7593639
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6126444#Comment_6126444
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7746121#Comment_7746121
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/502141/stop-just-stop
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6786270#Comment_6786270
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6183722#Comment_6183722

And those are just the ones I found quickly using a phrase which was "stop content", imagine if I tried other ways of saying that. That was just page 1 and 2 basically as well. So it came up a lot, apparently around 2019-2020.

Sorry, but I don't really see the point here.

If the deal was to get less content in exchange for bug fixes and QoL improvements, fine.

But. We. Haven't. Had. Either. Of. The. Two.

I don't even see why we're talking about it since ZOS didn't fulfill its part of this "informal agreement" made with the community.

Why should we debate a deal that hasn't been respected anyway?

Elsonso · December 7

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

I'm throwing out the possibility that Microsoft isn't happy with the general direction of the game since acquisition and is dropping the hammer on some major restructuring of ZOS in 2025.It makes sense to cancel public events while they get their house in order.

This sounds like an extension of the idea where ZOS is not listening, so Microsoft has to step in an set things right. I doubt anything like that is happening.

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I actually am guessing it has a little to do with that BG the devs did and all the drama. Kind of like higher ups saying “we did a lot for you and you say this stuff, nope. Event gone.” Corporate side of anything can be very cold towards others.

I would be quite annoyed if it was due to the PVP live stream. If it is due to the response to the PVP stream, it would not be punishment for what was said. It would be to prevent something from happening at a live event. I very much hope it is not for this reason.

As for why they canceled, there are only a few top reasons, but it isn't clear which one it is. None of them are conspiracies, as they are all founded in real world reasons that are not rare.

One thing to consider is that it might not be ZOS, strictly speaking, that puts on these shows. This is marketing, and so I figure it is primarily XBox/Bethesda, in concert with ZOS, that does these things. The canceling of this event may not have had anything to do with ZOS or ESO at all. For example... maybe the marketing budget is being reduced in 2025 and XBox/Bethesda is re-prioritizing where the money is being spent.

That sort of thing happens all the time in the business world. There is nothing to say that this is what is actually happening, and the above is just a "for instance". It will be along these relatively normal business lines that the reason probably can be found.

Edit: clarification

JiubLeRepenti · December 7

Sorry guys, but I missed this backstory around the BG stream... Could any of you give me a short summary of what happened?