How much DPS do you need to clear all content

Libonotus

Note, I am not asking what is preferred (120k DPS is probably a preference for speed runs) I am asking what is the bare minimum in DPS someone would need to clear content. Would 95-100k be able to do this?

notyuu

To clear all content, as in do it on normal, 35-40k, higher than that makes it easier by bypassing mechanics and lower than thad, while technically still possible to beat the content with, is just a slog

Libonotus

notyuu wrote: »

To clear all content, as in do it on normal, 35-40k, higher than that makes it easier by bypassing mechanics and lower than thad, while technically still possible to beat the content with, is just a slog

What about on Vet

PeacefulAnarchy

what content?
95-100k is more than enough to clear all vet content in the game. If you want to do HM the vast majority should be accessible, and all are possible, but some might be a bit rough and consequently it might be hard to find a group for especially the latest trials.

Necrotech_Master

(numbers given will be reflective of trial dummy numbers)

for basic clears (normal), you can get by with basically anything, even 20k is acceptable
for vet clears 50-60k dps is usually sufficient, even for most speed runs (and even most of dungeon the HMs can be done with 60k dps)

trifectas are where you would want the 100k+ dps

DenverRalphy

95-100k is typically where the hunt for leaderboard positioning kicks in.

60k to begin doing Vet Trials. 80k can carry you through any content. Depends on who's organizing the run though. Some guilds ask for more, some less.

Libonotus

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

(numbers given will be reflective of trial dummy numbers)

for basic clears (normal), you can get by with basically anything, even 20k is acceptable
for vet clears 50-60k dps is usually sufficient, even for most speed runs (and even most of dungeon the HMs can be done with 60k dps)

trifectas are where you would want the 100k+ dps

Eh Trifectas arent fun to me tbh

Necrotech_Master

Libonotus wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

(numbers given will be reflective of trial dummy numbers)

for basic clears (normal), you can get by with basically anything, even 20k is acceptable
for vet clears 50-60k dps is usually sufficient, even for most speed runs (and even most of dungeon the HMs can be done with 60k dps)

trifectas are where you would want the 100k+ dps

Eh Trifectas arent fun to me tbh

if you dont plan on doing tris, then even just doing like 90k+ dps would be enough to clear pretty much all vet content

virtus753

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Libonotus wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

(numbers given will be reflective of trial dummy numbers)

for basic clears (normal), you can get by with basically anything, even 20k is acceptable
for vet clears 50-60k dps is usually sufficient, even for most speed runs (and even most of dungeon the HMs can be done with 60k dps)

trifectas are where you would want the 100k+ dps

Eh Trifectas arent fun to me tbh

if you dont plan on doing tris, then even just doing like 90k+ dps would be enough to clear pretty much all vet content

Almost all, I would agree. But it also depends how you got there, and on how much dps you can actually produce in content.

A 90k+ Oakensoul HA build did not do particularly well in Nahvi HM portals when one of my portal buddies tried. It may also not be allowed by a group in vCR due to its interaction with Voltaic Overload.

Libonotus

virtus753 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Libonotus wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

(numbers given will be reflective of trial dummy numbers)

for basic clears (normal), you can get by with basically anything, even 20k is acceptable
for vet clears 50-60k dps is usually sufficient, even for most speed runs (and even most of dungeon the HMs can be done with 60k dps)

trifectas are where you would want the 100k+ dps

Eh Trifectas arent fun to me tbh

if you dont plan on doing tris, then even just doing like 90k+ dps would be enough to clear pretty much all vet content

Almost all, I would agree. But it also depends how you got there, and on how much dps you can actually produce in content.

A 90k+ Oakensoul HA build did not do particularly well in Nahvi HM portals when one of my portal buddies tried. It may also not be allowed by a group in vCR due to its interaction with Voltaic Overload.

Whats the interaction with Voltaic overload

PeacefulAnarchy

Libonotus wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Libonotus wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

(numbers given will be reflective of trial dummy numbers)

for basic clears (normal), you can get by with basically anything, even 20k is acceptable
for vet clears 50-60k dps is usually sufficient, even for most speed runs (and even most of dungeon the HMs can be done with 60k dps)

trifectas are where you would want the 100k+ dps

Eh Trifectas arent fun to me tbh

if you dont plan on doing tris, then even just doing like 90k+ dps would be enough to clear pretty much all vet content

Almost all, I would agree. But it also depends how you got there, and on how much dps you can actually produce in content.

A 90k+ Oakensoul HA build did not do particularly well in Nahvi HM portals when one of my portal buddies tried. It may also not be allowed by a group in vCR due to its interaction with Voltaic Overload.

Whats the interaction with Voltaic overload

voltaic overload is a mechanic that requires you to bar swap and does ramping aoe damage to you and those around you if you don't. On vet this damage will kill anyone in it towards the last ticks. This mech avoids oakensoul wearers preferentially, but under certain conditions it can afflict them in which case you'll die and probably bring others with you.

Soarora

If you want to clear all content, as in on HM, you will need to beat Xalvakka’s DPS check. I don’t know what the exact number is that’s required for everyone to contribute, but I really would try to go for 100-110k parse if you want to do high-end content. 120k+ is overkill.

spartaxoxo

Normal mode has no minimums needed and nobody cares. For just regular clears of vet content....

Vet dungeons around 40k

Vet trials around 80k

Dragonnord

Libonotus wrote: »

what is the bare minimum in DPS someone would need to clear content...

You mean min dps to clear normal Fungal Grotto 1 or min dps to clear portal boss on Nahviintaas hard mode in Sunspire trial?
 

virtus753

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Libonotus wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Libonotus wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

(numbers given will be reflective of trial dummy numbers)

for basic clears (normal), you can get by with basically anything, even 20k is acceptable
for vet clears 50-60k dps is usually sufficient, even for most speed runs (and even most of dungeon the HMs can be done with 60k dps)

trifectas are where you would want the 100k+ dps

Eh Trifectas arent fun to me tbh

if you dont plan on doing tris, then even just doing like 90k+ dps would be enough to clear pretty much all vet content

Almost all, I would agree. But it also depends how you got there, and on how much dps you can actually produce in content.

A 90k+ Oakensoul HA build did not do particularly well in Nahvi HM portals when one of my portal buddies tried. It may also not be allowed by a group in vCR due to its interaction with Voltaic Overload.

Whats the interaction with Voltaic overload

voltaic overload is a mechanic that requires you to bar swap and does ramping aoe damage to you and those around you if you don't. On vet this damage will kill anyone in it towards the last ticks. This mech avoids oakensoul wearers preferentially, but under certain conditions it can afflict them in which case you'll die and probably bring others with you.

Right, and since Voltaic avoids Oakensoul wearers preferentially, even when Oakensoul doesn't wipe the group it will still cause everyone else to get targeted by Voltaic more often on average than they otherwise would. There's no call to do that to tanks and healers, especially as you increase the difficulty with more minis.

ArchMikem

100k being used to describe bare minimum...

Anyone else remember the good days when 20k was high?

virtus753

ArchMikem wrote: »

100k being used to describe bare minimum...

Anyone else remember the good days when 20k was high?

On a very different dummy!

Rkindaleft

Soarora wrote: »

If you want to clear all content, as in on HM, you will need to beat Xalvakka’s DPS check. I don’t know what the exact number is that’s required for everyone to contribute, but I really would try to go for 100-110k parse if you want to do high-end content. 120k+ is overkill.

Someone on Reddit a while back provided a log of a group clearing Xalvakka's HM at the last possible second, I.E they killed Xalvakka and all died from the lava at the same time, and IIRC the DPS done to Xalvakka while she was actually hittable (because she splits 2-3 times and you have to burn down her shield obviously which means it's difficult to calculate accurately as the fight time can slightly vary depending on RNG and you're not doing any DPS to the boss in those phases) was averaging around ~90k, so I think it's safe to assume it's around that accounting for all the factors, at least on the last floor.

On console at least from what I've observed 95% of Rockgrove hard mode progression groups require like a minimum of 105k these days as having more than one or two deaths makes it impossible.

I'd say 105k is a pretty good baseline to ensure all hard mode completes while still allowing for a couple of deaths during DPS checks.

Amottica

With any of the numbers, there are two caveats. First is being able to do the mechanics and surviving. Both require the player to pay attention to what is happening, which means they have to know what they are doing to keep their DPS up instead of looking at their skill bars to see what skill they need to use next.

This may seem obvious, but I have seen the same player die multiple times due to the same mechanics and keep doing the same thing.

colossalvoids

As much as group is asking for. It's not about bare minimums, but about actually finding people who put up with them and also about fitting in a group of said people as all content in the game requires some time together. I'd not advise going into it with your preconceptions or rules first. If those numbers (95-100) are yours it's absolutely fine to try find a good group but still not guarantees success.

Pelanora

I think this should be pinned. So helpful for players to realise they can do most content without being the Jet Li of dps.

Ishtarknows

Something else to consider is whether the trial would go well if all 8 DDs were hitting the minimum. Long drawn out fights are harder on tanks and healers and nobody wants to be unable to clear the last boss

BXR_Lonestar

Libonotus wrote: »

Note, I am not asking what is preferred (120k DPS is probably a preference for speed runs) I am asking what is the bare minimum in DPS someone would need to clear content. Would 95-100k be able to do this?

You can clear all content on vet with around 30k DPS (as measured on the trial dummy). The kicker there is that you need great, if not heroic support players (tanks and healers) to help you through some of the more difficult content with DPS that low. Basically, the lower you are on the DPS end of the spectrum, the greater the quality of the support players you need to help get you through. When it is like that, you are going to find in most instances that you will be finishing content on the more difficult end of the spectrum by just the skin of your teeth.

If you want to comfortably clear vet content, then somewhere around 60-75k is better. And TBH, if you REALLY know what you are doing in terms of making a build that synergizes well with your race, class, and champion points, then its aweful hard to do less than 50k DPS, and it can be quite easy to do 75k DPS, even without a practiced build.

For example: I RARELY play dps, since I'm the only one in my small group that heals, and I also tank. But even though I rarely play DPS and practice DPS rotations, the dps character that I created most recently - my Mag DK - was able to hit 76k dps on the trial dummy on my first test, without a practiced rotation, because I was able to select sets, perks, and abilities that all synergized and worked together to maximize my DPS. I'm sure I could get MUCH higher dps out of the build if I practiced, but I don't like to make a career out of parsing.

And if you REALLY struggle with DPS, just make a high elf sorc, max out your mag stat points, and equip these armor sets:

1. Oakensoul
2. Seargants mail set (weapons/jewelry, and chest piece)
3. Then orders wrath (craftable - single target) or Macabre's vintage (Trash pull fights)
4. 1 piece monster - I like Valkyn Skoria

Select some champion perks in the blue tree for single target and heavy attack damage and you can hit 75-80k dps without trying.

Renato90085

When Oakensoul HA Sorc not nerfed I know endgame player use this build finish some trial trifectas(PB GS GH DB
it mean this build can finish all mech for Vet trial hm
so maybe 95-105(Oakensoul parse dps

Libonotus

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Libonotus wrote: »

Note, I am not asking what is preferred (120k DPS is probably a preference for speed runs) I am asking what is the bare minimum in DPS someone would need to clear content. Would 95-100k be able to do this?

You can clear all content on vet with around 30k DPS (as measured on the trial dummy). The kicker there is that you need great, if not heroic support players (tanks and healers) to help you through some of the more difficult content with DPS that low. Basically, the lower you are on the DPS end of the spectrum, the greater the quality of the support players you need to help get you through. When it is like that, you are going to find in most instances that you will be finishing content on the more difficult end of the spectrum by just the skin of your teeth.

If you want to comfortably clear vet content, then somewhere around 60-75k is better. And TBH, if you REALLY know what you are doing in terms of making a build that synergizes well with your race, class, and champion points, then its aweful hard to do less than 50k DPS, and it can be quite easy to do 75k DPS, even without a practiced build.

For example: I RARELY play dps, since I'm the only one in my small group that heals, and I also tank. But even though I rarely play DPS and practice DPS rotations, the dps character that I created most recently - my Mag DK - was able to hit 76k dps on the trial dummy on my first test, without a practiced rotation, because I was able to select sets, perks, and abilities that all synergized and worked together to maximize my DPS. I'm sure I could get MUCH higher dps out of the build if I practiced, but I don't like to make a career out of parsing.

And if you REALLY struggle with DPS, just make a high elf sorc, max out your mag stat points, and equip these armor sets:

1. Oakensoul
2. Seargants mail set (weapons/jewelry, and chest piece)
3. Then orders wrath (craftable - single target) or Macabre's vintage (Trash pull fights)
4. 1 piece monster - I like Valkyn Skoria

Select some champion perks in the blue tree for single target and heavy attack damage and you can hit 75-80k dps without trying.

Highland Sentinel increases that to about 95-105k im pretty sure the caveat there is it requires you to not move a lot

Ishtarknows

Renato90085 wrote: »

When Oakensoul HA Sorc not nerfed I know endgame player use this build finish some trial trifectas(PB GS GH DB
it mean this build can finish all mech for Vet trial hm
so maybe 95-105(Oakensoul parse dps

Those teams who did the trial trifectas with oakensorcs were accomplished players who had already completed the content on "normal" 2 bar builds and relied heavily on their supports to buff them - as I recall one tank was even wearing 2 light sets to prop up group DPS!

For players struggling to hit minimum DPS this is a red herring - they will not manage RockGrove hard mode unless heavily carried by the other 11 players, which isn't the point of the thread. For a minimum DPS requirement to be fair, it has to be one that can apply to all 8 DDs and still get a clear.

Stafford197

It varies a lot but honestly stop worrying about the DPS numbers so much. Barely anyone cares what numbers the Trial dummy says you’re putting out.

Here’s how you put out all of those super high DPS numbers you’re looking for:
1. Use the established BiS class+build
2. Follow the established BiS rotation
3. Do mechanics and stop dying

At different points in time it took a lot of practice to master perfect rotations against a Trial dummy, which would then hopefully transfer over to actual content.

But now? Arcanist is BiS with a super low effort rotation. Heck you barely even need to know how to light attack weave lol.

SolarRune

Not that I would want to do it, but to my understanding, as long as you are playing mechs, everything (including trial HMs) can cleared with about 55-60K - this is in trial performance not dummy humping performance

BXR_Lonestar

Libonotus wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Libonotus wrote: »

Note, I am not asking what is preferred (120k DPS is probably a preference for speed runs) I am asking what is the bare minimum in DPS someone would need to clear content. Would 95-100k be able to do this?

You can clear all content on vet with around 30k DPS (as measured on the trial dummy). The kicker there is that you need great, if not heroic support players (tanks and healers) to help you through some of the more difficult content with DPS that low. Basically, the lower you are on the DPS end of the spectrum, the greater the quality of the support players you need to help get you through. When it is like that, you are going to find in most instances that you will be finishing content on the more difficult end of the spectrum by just the skin of your teeth.

If you want to comfortably clear vet content, then somewhere around 60-75k is better. And TBH, if you REALLY know what you are doing in terms of making a build that synergizes well with your race, class, and champion points, then its aweful hard to do less than 50k DPS, and it can be quite easy to do 75k DPS, even without a practiced build.

For example: I RARELY play dps, since I'm the only one in my small group that heals, and I also tank. But even though I rarely play DPS and practice DPS rotations, the dps character that I created most recently - my Mag DK - was able to hit 76k dps on the trial dummy on my first test, without a practiced rotation, because I was able to select sets, perks, and abilities that all synergized and worked together to maximize my DPS. I'm sure I could get MUCH higher dps out of the build if I practiced, but I don't like to make a career out of parsing.

And if you REALLY struggle with DPS, just make a high elf sorc, max out your mag stat points, and equip these armor sets:

1. Oakensoul
2. Seargants mail set (weapons/jewelry, and chest piece)
3. Then orders wrath (craftable - single target) or Macabre's vintage (Trash pull fights)
4. 1 piece monster - I like Valkyn Skoria

Select some champion perks in the blue tree for single target and heavy attack damage and you can hit 75-80k dps without trying.

Highland Sentinel increases that to about 95-105k im pretty sure the caveat there is it requires you to not move a lot

Yeah, that set looks really good, but I haven't tried it yet. It screams "parse gear" though. It would be great for burning through base game content where a tank can hold agro on a boss and not move, but in most other places, it is probably less practical. I typically like to just throw on sets that give me the greatest flexibility, even if it lowers my damage potential in some situations.

Now that I have Hermie's Whisper mythic though, I am kinda curious to try that set + Hermies on a DPS setup just to see how it performs. Maybe on my magcro, though I need to work on his lorebook library

Renato90085

Ishtarknows wrote: »

Renato90085 wrote: »

When Oakensoul HA Sorc not nerfed I know endgame player use this build finish some trial trifectas(PB GS GH DB
it mean this build can finish all mech for Vet trial hm
so maybe 95-105(Oakensoul parse dps

Those teams who did the trial trifectas with oakensorcs were accomplished players who had already completed the content on "normal" 2 bar builds and relied heavily on their supports to buff them - as I recall one tank was even wearing 2 light sets to prop up group DPS!

For players struggling to hit minimum DPS this is a red herring - they will not manage RockGrove hard mode unless heavily carried by the other 11 players, which isn't the point of the thread. For a minimum DPS requirement to be fair, it has to be one that can apply to all 8 DDs and still get a clear.

yep i know, I'm a player like them..op just want finish hm not trifectas
so i mean is.. for me ,this low dps build in endgame can finish all vet and some hardmode ,why you need worry your dps?
hardest part alway training mech not your dps

peacenote

All of the numbers are much less than what folks are mentioning if you try a tank or healer role. Just sayin'.