Having a horrible experience this week.

Dayhjawk

guildmembers have been having the same issues in LC trial, FPS drops to 20 or less, lags spikes, some disconnect only to get back in and get disconnected again. I personally had the lag spikes hit me friday night, one tank couldn't even block, took restarting the modem, pc and game to fix, tried just rebooting the game, opening crown store, trying different things to get it to work, nothing worked before the full reboot. Its been a growing issues for weeks and i'm getting tired of a game that's been out for 10 years and the core mechanic (combat) doesn't even work. performance issues, lag spikes, mechs not working.

FlopsyPrince

DragonRacer wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

for the 492,345,454,390,859,053,409,538,095,904,853rd time

the servers are NOT the issues. its the code!

if it was as simple as power cycling the servers, dont you think some bright spark would have done it?
dont you think Microsoft (who are at the top of the tree of the entire thing) might have said "have 500 quid, put some more RAM in it - or more likely, just pressed a button - because its virtual!!

it is the code, the engine and the calculations. nothing to do with servers. i wish people would stop saying it is!

That line was meant to be humor/sarcasm since it's pretty obvious it's more than just "the servers". It's too early in the morning to have this big of a meltdown over words on the Internet.

Embrace the power of both!

I doubt the "new servers" were as strong as they should have been. Not that power cycling would solve much, but truly upgrading those almost certainly would have.

FlopsyPrince

Theist_VII wrote: »

smackinhippies wrote: »

My apologies for being a bit off topic but having had a 30yr career in IT, the Phoenix Project really should be mandatory reading for anyone in that career. Bravo for bringing that book up.

You’re very much on topic.

From what it sounds like, having never read the book, is that it describes the necessity for patience on launch windows.

While I feel very impatient for these problems to be resolved, that impatience is a direct result of whoever impatiently full sent this update that ruined things.

It is aimed at noting the need for agile processes and proper testing ahead of time. Given the number of PTS errors that have gone through (even when known) in the past I doubt even that book would help much.

Theist_VII

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

smackinhippies wrote: »

My apologies for being a bit off topic but having had a 30yr career in IT, the Phoenix Project really should be mandatory reading for anyone in that career. Bravo for bringing that book up.

You’re very much on topic.

From what it sounds like, having never read the book, is that it describes the necessity for patience on launch windows.

While I feel very impatient for these problems to be resolved, that impatience is a direct result of whoever impatiently full sent this update that ruined things.

It is aimed at noting the need for agile processes and proper testing ahead of time. Given the number of PTS errors that have gone through (even when known) in the past I doubt even that book would help much.

Right, I just don’t understand how the game has gotten to such a state. I’ve never seen it this bad.

sarahthes

Theist_VII wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

smackinhippies wrote: »

My apologies for being a bit off topic but having had a 30yr career in IT, the Phoenix Project really should be mandatory reading for anyone in that career. Bravo for bringing that book up.

You’re very much on topic.

From what it sounds like, having never read the book, is that it describes the necessity for patience on launch windows.

While I feel very impatient for these problems to be resolved, that impatience is a direct result of whoever impatiently full sent this update that ruined things.

It is aimed at noting the need for agile processes and proper testing ahead of time. Given the number of PTS errors that have gone through (even when known) in the past I doubt even that book would help much.

Right, I just don’t understand how the game has gotten to such a state. I’ve never seen it this bad.

I've seen it worse. But this is pretty bad.

FlopsyPrince

Theist_VII wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

smackinhippies wrote: »

My apologies for being a bit off topic but having had a 30yr career in IT, the Phoenix Project really should be mandatory reading for anyone in that career. Bravo for bringing that book up.

You’re very much on topic.

From what it sounds like, having never read the book, is that it describes the necessity for patience on launch windows.

While I feel very impatient for these problems to be resolved, that impatience is a direct result of whoever impatiently full sent this update that ruined things.

It is aimed at noting the need for agile processes and proper testing ahead of time. Given the number of PTS errors that have gone through (even when known) in the past I doubt even that book would help much.

Right, I just don’t understand how the game has gotten to such a state. I’ve never seen it this bad.

May be true, but applying agile now is a bit late.

silky_soft

I have multiple accounts and have done BG on them. I experience the same thing on both while playing at 250ms. The start of this year when I came back was not like this. I could easily attack people in melee range. Now I just follow people in half stuck animation. I might land heavy attack but I wont land the skill or vice versa or Im just stuck in animation.

Would be nice if a dev or play tester got to play some content they enjoy for 30m to 1hr. Then vpn to Perth in Australia for an hour, to get an idea of what South America, Asia, NZ and Australia have to deal with.

LadyGP

Theist_VII wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

Why is it only being escalated now?

Probably because they can no longer afford to leave it alone, next month we have four games/expansions coming out that will be directly eating off of their plate.

• Throne and Liberty
• Diablo IV: Vessel of Hatred
• New World: Aeternum
• Dragon Age: The Veilguard

Then we have a constant drip feed of new fantasy titles coming with four of the listed games directly competing with Elder Scrolls as first person titles…

• Avowed
• Kingdom Come Deliverance II
• Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon
• Fable
• Alkahest
• ect…

We’re about to turn the corner into a new golden age for medieval fantasy games and ESO needs to stay relevant, and that takes investment.

What little Zenimax might be getting from Microsoft will become nothing if the playerbase continues to leave due to problems like these.

Don't forget Ashes of Creation Alpha 2 next month.

LadyGP

Between this thread and this one (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/658253/zos-massive-spike-in-ping-lag-in-recent-days-what-gives#latest) I think it is safe to say... "Houston, we have a problem"

Theist_VII

LadyGP wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

Why is it only being escalated now?

Probably because they can no longer afford to leave it alone, next month we have four games/expansions coming out that will be directly eating off of their plate.

• Throne and Liberty
• Diablo IV: Vessel of Hatred
• New World: Aeternum
• Dragon Age: The Veilguard

Then we have a constant drip feed of new fantasy titles coming with four of the listed games directly competing with Elder Scrolls as first person titles…

• Avowed
• Kingdom Come Deliverance II
• Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon
• Fable
• Alkahest
• ect…

We’re about to turn the corner into a new golden age for medieval fantasy games and ESO needs to stay relevant, and that takes investment.

What little Zenimax might be getting from Microsoft will become nothing if the playerbase continues to leave due to problems like these.

Don't forget Ashes of Creation Alpha 2 next month.

Thanks for the reminder! Just edited the post to include it, is that Alpha buy-in like the last one?

LadyGP

Theist_VII wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

Why is it only being escalated now?

Probably because they can no longer afford to leave it alone, next month we have four games/expansions coming out that will be directly eating off of their plate.

• Throne and Liberty
• Diablo IV: Vessel of Hatred
• New World: Aeternum
• Dragon Age: The Veilguard

Then we have a constant drip feed of new fantasy titles coming with four of the listed games directly competing with Elder Scrolls as first person titles…

• Avowed
• Kingdom Come Deliverance II
• Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon
• Fable
• Alkahest
• ect…

We’re about to turn the corner into a new golden age for medieval fantasy games and ESO needs to stay relevant, and that takes investment.

What little Zenimax might be getting from Microsoft will become nothing if the playerbase continues to leave due to problems like these.

Don't forget Ashes of Creation Alpha 2 next month.

Thanks for the reminder! Just edited the post to include it, is that Alpha buy-in like the last one?

Kind of... there are different phases though. I'm not going to link it but just google alpha 2 and you'll find what you're looking for.

Aurielle

Just crashed to login screen again in Cyrodiil. That's three times since this most recent maintenance. I was previously crashing only once a week, if that.

JustLovely

Aurielle wrote: »

Just crashed to login screen again in Cyrodiil. That's three times since this most recent maintenance. I was previously crashing only once a week, if that.

If you've only crashed 3 times since Monday you're one of the very lucky ones. Most of us are crashing every 1-3 hours of play time.

Theist_VII

sarahthes wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

smackinhippies wrote: »

My apologies for being a bit off topic but having had a 30yr career in IT, the Phoenix Project really should be mandatory reading for anyone in that career. Bravo for bringing that book up.

You’re very much on topic.

From what it sounds like, having never read the book, is that it describes the necessity for patience on launch windows.

While I feel very impatient for these problems to be resolved, that impatience is a direct result of whoever impatiently full sent this update that ruined things.

It is aimed at noting the need for agile processes and proper testing ahead of time. Given the number of PTS errors that have gone through (even when known) in the past I doubt even that book would help much.

Right, I just don’t understand how the game has gotten to such a state. I’ve never seen it this bad.

I've seen it worse. But this is pretty bad.

When? Greymoor?

While the block-bug from Lost Depths was infuriating, you could at least play the game, what we have now feels like we’re battling Sheogorath butterflies.

Aurielle

JustLovely wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Just crashed to login screen again in Cyrodiil. That's three times since this most recent maintenance. I was previously crashing only once a week, if that.

If you've only crashed 3 times since Monday you're one of the very lucky ones. Most of us are crashing every 1-3 hours of play time.

Yeah, I've generally been pretty fortunate when it comes to crashes. The ping spikes are happening every 2-3 minutes, though. I'm actually looking for an addon that will display my ping in huge numbers right next to my character so that I'll know to not even waste the effort on trying to barswap.

LadyGP

JustLovely wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Just crashed to login screen again in Cyrodiil. That's three times since this most recent maintenance. I was previously crashing only once a week, if that.

If you've only crashed 3 times since Monday you're one of the very lucky ones. Most of us are crashing every 1-3 hours of play time.

For me its 3-5 times PER HOUR.

If I can make it through my writs on one toon without crashing I consider that a win.

sshogrin

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

We are escalating this thread and highlighting that there are more folks noting issues.

we have been making posts about this since Update 43.
Does this have anything to do with the AI bot?
AI uses a lot of CPU resources to monitor things, then make an internal report.
We do have a method of reporting players...so the AI bot is just taking server resources away from the game and is really unnecessary.

Theist_VII

sshogrin wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

We are escalating this thread and highlighting that there are more folks noting issues.

we have been making posts about this since Update 43.
Does this have anything to do with the AI bot?
AI uses a lot of CPU resources to monitor things, then make an internal report.
We do have a method of reporting players...so the AI bot is just taking server resources away from the game and is really unnecessary.

Maybe they had to cut loose members of their customer support team?

LadyGP

afk in a house (I have fiber)

FlopsyPrince

Theist_VII wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

Why is it only being escalated now?

Probably because they can no longer afford to leave it alone, next month we have four games/expansions coming out that will be directly eating off of their plate.

• Throne and Liberty
• Diablo IV: Vessel of Hatred
• New World: Aeternum
• Dragon Age: The Veilguard

Then we have a constant drip feed of new fantasy titles coming with four of the listed games directly competing with Elder Scrolls as first person titles…

• Avowed
• Kingdom Come Deliverance II
• Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon
• Fable
• Alkahest
• ect…

We’re about to turn the corner into a new golden age for medieval fantasy games and ESO needs to stay relevant, and that takes investment.

What little Zenimax might be getting from Microsoft will become nothing if the playerbase continues to leave due to problems like these.

Don't forget Ashes of Creation Alpha 2 next month.

Thanks for the reminder! Just edited the post to include it, is that Alpha buy-in like the last one?

A very expensive buy-in as I recall. Paying for vaporware is not necessarily a good idea.

LadyGP

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

Why is it only being escalated now?

Probably because they can no longer afford to leave it alone, next month we have four games/expansions coming out that will be directly eating off of their plate.

• Throne and Liberty
• Diablo IV: Vessel of Hatred
• New World: Aeternum
• Dragon Age: The Veilguard

Then we have a constant drip feed of new fantasy titles coming with four of the listed games directly competing with Elder Scrolls as first person titles…

• Avowed
• Kingdom Come Deliverance II
• Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon
• Fable
• Alkahest
• ect…

We’re about to turn the corner into a new golden age for medieval fantasy games and ESO needs to stay relevant, and that takes investment.

What little Zenimax might be getting from Microsoft will become nothing if the playerbase continues to leave due to problems like these.

Don't forget Ashes of Creation Alpha 2 next month.

Thanks for the reminder! Just edited the post to include it, is that Alpha buy-in like the last one?

A very expensive buy-in as I recall. Paying for vaporware is not necessarily a good idea.

This game becoming vaporware tbh.

FlopsyPrince

LadyGP wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

Why is it only being escalated now?

Probably because they can no longer afford to leave it alone, next month we have four games/expansions coming out that will be directly eating off of their plate.

• Throne and Liberty
• Diablo IV: Vessel of Hatred
• New World: Aeternum
• Dragon Age: The Veilguard

Then we have a constant drip feed of new fantasy titles coming with four of the listed games directly competing with Elder Scrolls as first person titles…

• Avowed
• Kingdom Come Deliverance II
• Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon
• Fable
• Alkahest
• ect…

We’re about to turn the corner into a new golden age for medieval fantasy games and ESO needs to stay relevant, and that takes investment.

What little Zenimax might be getting from Microsoft will become nothing if the playerbase continues to leave due to problems like these.

Don't forget Ashes of Creation Alpha 2 next month.

Thanks for the reminder! Just edited the post to include it, is that Alpha buy-in like the last one?

A very expensive buy-in as I recall. Paying for vaporware is not necessarily a good idea.

This game becoming vaporware tbh.

I think it will eventually release. but long after the hype.

Theist_VII

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

Why is it only being escalated now?

Probably because they can no longer afford to leave it alone, next month we have four games/expansions coming out that will be directly eating off of their plate.

• Throne and Liberty
• Diablo IV: Vessel of Hatred
• New World: Aeternum
• Dragon Age: The Veilguard

Then we have a constant drip feed of new fantasy titles coming with four of the listed games directly competing with Elder Scrolls as first person titles…

• Avowed
• Kingdom Come Deliverance II
• Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon
• Fable
• Alkahest
• ect…

We’re about to turn the corner into a new golden age for medieval fantasy games and ESO needs to stay relevant, and that takes investment.

What little Zenimax might be getting from Microsoft will become nothing if the playerbase continues to leave due to problems like these.

Don't forget Ashes of Creation Alpha 2 next month.

Thanks for the reminder! Just edited the post to include it, is that Alpha buy-in like the last one?

A very expensive buy-in as I recall. Paying for vaporware is not necessarily a good idea.

This game becoming vaporware tbh.

I think it will eventually release. but long after the hype.

I almost just sprayed my coffee everywhere.
Such a sad reality.

Personofsecrets

One tiny performance issue that I've noticed is that sometimes the game lags simultaneously as I loot if the loot that I recieved was an Ink.

Theist_VII

Personofsecrets wrote: »

One tiny performance issue that I've noticed is that sometimes the game lags simultaneously as I loot if the loot that I recieved was an Ink.

Are you talking about the same thing with Leads? Like every time you get a lead drop and go to loot, there’s a delay?

Theist_VII

@Personofsecrets if you’re talking about the same problem as the one with the Leads, that would be pretty strange.

Either way, hopefully come tomorrow we will have some form of answer to @ZOS_Kevin having escalated our problem.

I would love to be able to enjoy my last week on ESO before Throne and Liberty releases otherwise it will be really difficult to justify coming back to this.

Theist_VII

Wow, was browsing and this popped up.

https://massivelyop.com/2024/09/22/elder-scrolls-online-has-reportedly-earned-15m-in-monthly-revenue-for-over-a-decade/

15 million monthly… where is that money going?
We can’t even play the game.

moderatelyfatman

Yeah, Aussie player here on PCNA. Even though we don't play during US primetime we've had to abandon trial nights because the game had become unplayable.
It's also not a ping issue: we never experienced this problem 3-4 years ago outside of Cyrodiil.

Pelanora

Theist_VII wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

Why is it only being escalated now?

Probably because they can no longer afford to leave it alone, next month we have four five games/expansions coming out that will be directly eating off of their plate.

• Throne and Liberty
• Diablo IV: Vessel of Hatred
• New World: Aeternum
• Dragon Age: The Veilguard
• Ashes of Creation Alpha 2*

Then we have a constant drip feed of new fantasy titles coming with four of the listed games directly competing with Elder Scrolls as first person titles…

• Avowed
• Kingdom Come Deliverance II
• Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon
• Fable
• Alkahest
• ect…

We’re about to turn the corner into a new golden age for medieval fantasy games and ESO needs to stay relevant, and that takes investment.

What little Zenimax might be getting from Microsoft will become nothing if the playerbase continues to leave due to problems like these

*Thanks @LadyGP for the reminder on Ashes of Creation, seems like that games been in development forever, so I’ve lost track of it!

Plus they make 15 million a month

LadyGP

It's really bad PR having all these puff pieces written about you. I wish some media sites would actually talk about true performance not just writing click baity articles.