Stop Making Companions Disapprove of Basic Game Mechanics

DenverRalphy

SilverBride wrote: »

This never happens to me because I only have my Companions out when I am soloing content such as World Bosses, Dungeons, the IA, etc.. I don't need their help questing or picking flowers.

You must spend a bit to upgrade your companion gear then. Cuz companion gear only drops when you have a companion out. Most of my best companion gear came while questing and picking flowers.

DoofusMax

I'm pretty much "meh" on the issue. I mostly run around with Ember or Azandar, although I'll stow Ember if I'm going to be fishing or if there's a chance of getting caught being all sneaky and sticky-fingered. I have struck from my Christmas card list the dev with the idea of tossing a die to decide whether I lose rapport with Ember every time I walk on the shady side of the street. She doesn't much care what you do (except for fishing) as long as you don't get caught doing it and I don't have much control over getting caught. Mirri and bugs, Bastian and cheese, Isobel and theft, and Azandar and mushrooms (and coffee) are just little personality quirks that I can live with or work around. Sharp's a bit more complicated. Except for pickpocket targets, I don't generally do the stuff he doesn't like; destroying stuff and using Outfit stations are not common activities.

For the two new ones, I'll confess to initially not being overly fond of some of Tanlorin's dislikes (lorebooks and Mages guildhalls being very common for my characters) and Zerith-var's aversion to fencing stuff will be a problem to work around, but I guess I can treat him like Izzy and just put him away if I need to go to an Outlaws Refuge.

SilverBride

Cheveyo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

This never happens to me because I only have my Companions out when I am soloing content such as World Bosses, Dungeons, the IA, etc.. I don't need their help questing or picking flowers.

How'd you manage to level them?

[snip]

I leveled them in Dragonstar Arena. There are no butterflies there.

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

This never happens to me because I only have my Companions out when I am soloing content such as World Bosses, Dungeons, the IA, etc.. I don't need their help questing or picking flowers.

You must spend a bit to upgrade your companion gear then.

I do.

[edited to remove quote]

Bekkael

coop500 wrote: »

Glad y'all are fine with it, but I really am not and simply won't use them because of this petty stuff. The forums are for everyone to share their opinion and I really had wished the companions only disapproved of stuff that didn't feel like micromanagement or like they were bossing you around.

We're all adults (ingame, I know people under 18 play this game probably) so it feels really really silly to me to have a companion disapprove of you... picking a mushroom, or changing your outfit. You didn't affect them at all, you just picked a mushroom, or changed your own clothes. It doesn't feel realistic or gives them life to me at all. Doing their (so far) decently written quests, now THAT gives them life. And some of the other rapport affecting things that actually makes sense for them to have an opinion on, THAT gives them life.

Not nagging at me for interacting with basic game functions like changing my character's outfit.

I feel you, OP, and I agree 100%. There have been a majority of posts in this thread about many players liking disapproval quirks, as it makes the companion seem more "real", to them. That's nice for those that enjoy that. Personally, I don't pay a lot of money on a fantasy role-playing game for quite that much "real".

In my opinion, a vast portion of our real world sucks, and yes, as adults, we have to deal with and interact with many things in our day to day that are unpleasant or uncomfortable for us personally. I don't want my fantasy companions/buddies to bring that type of annoying and aggravatingly realistic aspect to my fun game, where I'm forced to put up with their disapproval over how I play. Due to personality quirks that I dislike from most of the ESO companions, I really only use 2 of them, switching out according to mood.

I used Bastian constantly until Sharp/Garrus was released, but the number of times I had to hear Bastian berate my character for "showing off" when using an ultimate on a boss, soured him for me quite a bit. Now, I just use Sharp. (When writing a fictional character it is possible to make them quite realistic in personality, without giving them things that make you want to constantly smack them. Some game writers seem to struggle with it though, with what shows up in games as proof, but I digress.)

I play fantasy games to escape real life unpleasantness, not engage with it further. If I can be god-like in combat (the furthest thing from realistic), it follows that everyone in game should like my character too, it completes the whole Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu archetype nicely, I think.

The disapproval/approval thing is a bit of an unfortunate staple of RPGs where combat friends are concerned, but occasionally I like to get even with judgy companions. Thank goodness for single-player games where I can indulge that urge. Am I petty for sweet-talking and sucking up to a companion in Dragon Age 2 to make her like my Hawke, then turning her over for death and destruction to the people she stole from, while she cusses out Hawke and calls her a name that rhymes with witch and starts with a b? Possibly, but I enjoyed the revenge immensely and found it an incredibly cathartic experience.

Similar to when I would save my game in TES Oblivion, then go on a killing rampage and slaughter every NPC in sight. A great way to end a gaming session, then start fresh from my save the following day. A pity ESO doesn't have that option, or I would make use of it from time to time. I don't like having a bounty, so only do unlawful things when there are no other NPCs to see.

I am actually glad I clicked on this topic. The discussion in the thread was interesting to read and also informative, as I now know I am not interested in purchasing the upcoming companions, so cheers to everyone for sharing about them here.

Anyway, OP, I don't know if you'll ever read this post, but I appreciated you posting your opinion, and I'm sorry if you felt a lack of empathy and understanding. At the end of the day, everyone should play their games in the way that brings them the most enjoyment, and make no apologies for it.

Syldras

Bekkael wrote: »

I used Bastian constantly until Sharp/Garrus was released, but the number of times I had to hear Bastian berate my character for "showing off" when using an ultimate on a boss, soured him for me quite a bit.

I find it interesting how the perception differs individually (I mean, of course that was to be expected, as everyone is different, but still). The line by Bastian usually makes me chuckle a little, because I perceive it as banter between friends.

And the same differences I see between what we expect or want from games...

Bekkael wrote: »

I play fantasy games to escape real life unpleasantness, not engage with it further. If I can be god-like in combat (the furthest thing from realistic), it follows that everyone in game should like my character too, it completes the whole Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu archetype nicely, I think.

This I'd personally find totally boring, to be honest. Characters who praise us to the skies even if we haven't interacted much yet? I'd be wondering what's not right with them.

Then again, I don't play games to escape unpleasantness, I want an interesting and convincing narration, the deeper and lore and immersion, the better. And for that, the world needs "flaws".

FlopsyPrince

coop500 wrote: »

UPDATE: Just forget it, apparently not wanting to be nagged all the time is 'just wanting praise' or 'not valuing character depth' so I won't be checking this thread anymore. Y'all have fun.


Honestly just the title, but I am so tired of this approach. It makes me not want to use most companions in the game.
Disapprove of using an outfit station? Picking a mushroom? Picking nirnroot? Entering the mages guild hall? What the actual hell? I just want to play the game in peace.

I guess I'll just be sticking with Isobel and Bastian, they leave me in peace (except for my robber vampire but she's fine)

And yes before someone mentions it, I know the rapport is only -1 on most but it's the principle. I won't be having companions boss me around and complain about normal regular things we are encouraged to do in the game.

I have asked for many quality of life issues and some always tell me that means I just want things handed to me with no effort.

Make your proposals. No one may act and others may disagree, but others will agree with the same idea much of the time.

FlopsyPrince

spartaxoxo wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

It didn't make me like her any less but it still freaked me out; and I notice most people say they don't care about the rapport loss, but just the reaction in general, so...

Interesting thing about the companions is that unless you're on the borderline already, it doesn't make them like you any less either. Your status with them actually changes in stages. So if you had max rapport with them and were a close friend, and then did something they disliked, you'd still be their close friend.

It actually takes a lot of doing things they hate while never doing things they enjoy to make them hate you.

Azandar does like you less, but getting his approval up is fairly simple. The exactly the same with Miri and her butterfly and tourchbug fixation, so it is not as bad, just annoying. Like Bastian whining about killing bugs and deer.

spartaxoxo

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

It didn't make me like her any less but it still freaked me out; and I notice most people say they don't care about the rapport loss, but just the reaction in general, so...

Interesting thing about the companions is that unless you're on the borderline already, it doesn't make them like you any less either. Your status with them actually changes in stages. So if you had max rapport with them and were a close friend, and then did something they disliked, you'd still be their close friend.

It actually takes a lot of doing things they hate while never doing things they enjoy to make them hate you.

Azandar does like you less, but getting his approval up is fairly simple. The exactly the same with Miri and her butterfly and tourchbug fixation, so it is not as bad, just annoying. Like Bastian whining about killing bugs and deer.

You lose 1 rapport but their opinion of you doesn't change based off every rapport gained or lost. It changes in stages.

You would not say you've got a new level or got a champion point every time you get exp.

Likewise, you should not say your companion's opinion of you changed everytime you get rapport.

So from rapport level 5500 to 4000 is the maximum status of the relationship. It is described thusly...

"Companion regards you as their greatest ally and dearest friend."

And from rapport level 3999 to 3000 this will be how the companion sees you.

"Companion holds you in high esteem"

Their dialogue will also change to match this opinion.

Edit

So let's say I was at Max rapport with Mirri. And then I decided to go take her to kill 100 torchbugs. And her rapport went down for every single one because I decided to do it off cooldown for some reason....

Her rapport would drop 5500 to 5400. And her opinion of me would still be at greatest ally and closest friend because 5400 is still at the maximum stage of rapport. Additionally, doing a single fighters guild daily would completely negate this session.

TL:DR Rapport is not the companion's opinion of you. It is the exp needed to change their opinion. The relationship status is their opinion of you, and it affects some of their dialogue.

Bekkael

Syldras wrote: »

I find it interesting how the perception differs individually (I mean, of course that was to be expected, as everyone is different, but still). The line by Bastian usually makes me chuckle a little, because I perceive it as banter between friends.

Bastian's line I mentioned is said in a more critical and serious tone of voice. Listen again, and I think you will hear that it isn't teasing or light-hearted. If it were, I would have enjoyed that, as I love a tease, but sadly, Bastian is far too black and white and wasn't given much teasing in his character make-up. But your perception of him is likely just different from mine, which is to be expected. As you mentioned, it is interesting how two people can hear and perceive two totally different things from a similar experience.

Syldras wrote: »

And the same differences I see between what we expect or want from games...

Bekkael wrote: »

I play fantasy games to escape real life unpleasantness, not engage with it further. If I can be god-like in combat (the furthest thing from realistic), it follows that everyone in game should like my character too, it completes the whole Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu archetype nicely, I think.

This I'd personally find totally boring, to be honest. Characters who praise us to the skies even if we haven't interacted much yet? I'd be wondering what's not right with them.

Then again, I don't play games to escape unpleasantness, I want an interesting and convincing narration, the deeper and lore and immersion, the better. And for that, the world needs "flaws".

(That comment was actually meant very tongue-in-cheek, hence the winky face, but I'll try to give a mostly serious reply.)

I wasn't referring to character approval before characters have gotten to know mine, not at all. I expect to have to make an effort to earn character approval, as I would with a real friend. But ESO companions can disapprove of the same silly things after you have completed their entire story arc and become their "best friend". Personally, I think that's rather juvenile and serves no purpose in-game, and it isn't realistic to me.

My real life friends utterly adore me, and the more they got to know me, the more they liked me. None of them would ever bust my chops over dying my dress a different color (even if they personally hated the color) or smashing a bug with a fly swatter (even if they were a bug lover). For realism in ESO, the companions should also have new and different comments than when you first meet them, but they really don't add many new lines. *shrug*

In Dragon Age 2 (my favorite game of all time, warts and all), after a companion reaches full friendship or full rivalry, you can no longer get friendship or rivalry reactions, that is considered complete. Your story arc with them is played out over the course of the game and you cannot change it near the end. They're not real people, it's a game play mechanic, same as ESO. I think it would be better to have that approval/disapproval mechanic end after you complete the ESO companion's story arc too. It would remove the perceived aspect of unending nagging that bothers some of us. I detest nagging IRL, it's even more odious in a fantasy game. Just my opinion.

spartaxoxo

Bekkael wrote: »

Bastian's line I mentioned is said in a more critical and serious tone of voice. Listen again, and I think you will hear that it isn't teasing or light-hearted. If it were, I would have enjoyed that, as I love a tease, but sadly, Bastian is far too black and white and wasn't given much teasing in his character make-up. But your perception of him is likely just different from mine, which is to be expected. As you mentioned, it is interesting how two people can hear and perceive two totally different things from a similar experience.

I also hear the line as playful teasing, and he's one of my favorites so I have heard it a lot.

Bastian definitely has some playful lines...

"What do Dragons want with gold, anyway? They don't need to buy anything."

"Nothing is quite so powerful as the temptation to look through someone else's bookshelves."

"Some say gold can't buy happiness. It seems to me they just don't know where to shop!"

He's a secretly a huge nerd lol.

Edit

Also apparently I need to kill bandits more often because I haven't heard this line before

"Bandits should play to their strengths and go into politics. They'd live longer."

That's hilarious.

Syldras

Bekkael wrote: »

Bastian's line I mentioned is said in a more critical and serious tone of voice. Listen again, and I think you will hear that it isn't teasing or light-hearted. If it were, I would have enjoyed that, as I love a tease, but sadly, Bastian is far too black and white and wasn't given much teasing in his character make-up. But your perception of him is likely just different from mine, which is to be expected. As you mentioned, it is interesting how two people can hear and perceive two totally different things from a similar experience.

It's either this or it might be a localization difference (I didn't take that into consideration). I play in German language and while the wording is the same (I know the English lines from UESP), there's an exaggeratedly upset tone to it (in my opinion at least). It definitively sounds ironic.

Azandar also sounds different in German (compared to what I've seen in English on Youtube), in case anyone wonders. Older. His style of speech is also rather old-fashioned than quirky in many cases. Not sure if a culturally different taste might play a role there? Anyway, I think he's awesome.

Bekkael wrote: »

In Dragon Age 2 (my favorite game of all time, warts and all), after a companion reaches full friendship or full rivalry, you can no longer get friendship or rivalry reactions, that is considered complete. Your story arc with them is played out over the course of the game and you cannot change it near the end. They're not real people, it's a game play mechanic, same as ESO. I think it would be better to have that approval/disapproval mechanic end after you complete the ESO companion's story arc too. It would remove the perceived aspect of unending nagging that bothers some of us. I detest nagging IRL, it's even more odious in a fantasy game. Just my opinion.

While I find some of the dislikes silly (like being bothered what our character wears), others do make sense to me, and when it comes to the most serious ones (basically everything considered a serious crime also in real life) I'd personally prefer it to still have an effect even at max rapport or after the end of the companion storyline. Mass-murdering random innocents just seems like something that remains unacceptable, best friend or not. But, as I said: Different personal preferences, and that's fine.

Bekkael

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Bekkael wrote: »

Bastian's line I mentioned is said in a more critical and serious tone of voice. Listen again, and I think you will hear that it isn't teasing or light-hearted. If it were, I would have enjoyed that, as I love a tease, but sadly, Bastian is far too black and white and wasn't given much teasing in his character make-up. But your perception of him is likely just different from mine, which is to be expected. As you mentioned, it is interesting how two people can hear and perceive two totally different things from a similar experience.

I also hear the line as playful teasing, and he's one of my favorites so I have heard it a lot.

Bastian definitely has some playful lines...

"What do Dragons want with gold, anyway? They don't need to buy anything."

"Nothing is quite so powerful as the temptation to look through someone else's bookshelves."

"Some say gold can't buy happiness. It seems to me they just don't know where to shop!"

He's a secretly a huge nerd lol.

Edit

Also apparently I need to kill bandits more often because I haven't heard this line before

"Bandits should play to their strengths and go into politics. They'd live longer."

That's hilarious.

I do adore Bastian overall, don't get me wrong. Bastian was my favorite companion before Sharp, and I still like him the most compared to any of the others, I just got a little burnt out on a couple of his comments. I could make the choice to have him speak less, but the chatter is part of having a companion, to me, so I would rather unsummon than silence him.

Funny, I didn't really think I would prefer another companion more than Bastian, but having Brandon Keener voice Sharp...it was kind of automatic. He was BFF for all Mass Effect games, and the character of Sharp almost felt like he could be a cousin to Garrus Vakarian.

Bekkael

Syldras wrote: »

It's either this or it might be a localization difference (I didn't take that into consideration). I play in German language and while the wording is the same (I know the English lines from UESP), there's an exaggeratedly upset tone to it (in my opinion at least). It definitively sounds ironic.

Azandar also sounds different in German (compared to what I've seen in English on Youtube), in case anyone wonders. Older. His style of speech is also rather old-fashioned than quirky in many cases. Not sure if a culturally different taste might play a role there? Anyway, I think he's awesome.

I'm sure different voice actors would make a huge difference in character perceptions, that makes total sense.

Syldras wrote: »

While I find some of the dislikes silly (like being bothered what our character wears), others do make sense to me, and when it comes to the most serious ones (basically everything considered a serious crime also in real life) I'd personally prefer it to still have an effect even at max rapport or after the end of the companion storyline. Mass-murdering random innocents just seems like something that remains unacceptable, best friend or not. But, as I said: Different personal preferences, and that's fine.

I agree, for their core personalities, companions should not change. I wouldn't expect approval for unlawful or morally reprehensible actions, regardless of how close they've become with the player character. But for killing bugs and other minor things...I think they could lighten up, but whatever. It's what the gamemakers chose, so it's either take it or leave it. It's a minor annoyance so I just deal with it or unsummon when needed.

Elsonso

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TL:DR Rapport is not the companion's opinion of you. It is the exp needed to change their opinion. The relationship status is their opinion of you, and it affects some of their dialogue.

What bothers me most about the rapport comments is that they don't feel like they match the rapport change. A small negative comment seems to have the same 'weight' as a large plus comment.

-1 Rapport: "There has got to be a better source for your alchemy practice."
+75 Rapport: "I can't believe they actually completed a scale model of the entire island. It's so detailed!"

The nature of the comment does not reveal the impact on the rapport.

-10 Rapport: "If you're trying to introduce me to your family, I have no interest in your siblings!"

It seems to me that it would be easy to put the wrong importance on a minor negative comment simply because the comment does not properly reflect the magnitude when compared to more important comments

spartaxoxo

Elsonso wrote: »

It seems to me that it would be easy to put the wrong importance on a minor negative comment simply because the comment does not properly reflect the magnitude when compared to more important comments

That's fair. I used to be more bothered by their little pet peeves until I looked up how the rapport system actually worked. The comments and visuals do not convey the magnitude well. So, if you don't know how it works in big detail (that you need to look up because it's not properly conveyed in-game) it feels like they're drastically changing their opinion constantly over the pettiest stuff. It makes it feel like this stuff is effecting your ability to max their rapport way more than it is.

emilyhyoyeon

Syldras wrote: »

Bekkael wrote: »

Bastian's line I mentioned is said in a more critical and serious tone of voice. Listen again, and I think you will hear that it isn't teasing or light-hearted. If it were, I would have enjoyed that, as I love a tease, but sadly, Bastian is far too black and white and wasn't given much teasing in his character make-up. But your perception of him is likely just different from mine, which is to be expected. As you mentioned, it is interesting how two people can hear and perceive two totally different things from a similar experience.

It's either this or it might be a localization difference (I didn't take that into consideration). I play in German language and while the wording is the same (I know the English lines from UESP), there's an exaggeratedly upset tone to it (in my opinion at least). It definitively sounds ironic.

Azandar also sounds different in German (compared to what I've seen in English on Youtube), in case anyone wonders. Older. His style of speech is also rather old-fashioned than quirky in many cases. Not sure if a culturally different taste might play a role there? Anyway, I think he's awesome.

I also play in German and get the same vibes from Bastian as you. I actually didn't use him (or Mirri) until the past year or so, and I was always really curious about Bastian because of the amount of hate I'd see him get since he came out. I was really surprised when I finally started using him. He'd definitely be my favorite if he were a more recent one and got more lines, but along with Isobel and Azandar I like him the most.


Speaking of stuff like this, the German Sharp line where he says something like ''masses of people, fantastic!'' when you enter a city, in what I'm assuming is supposed to be a sarcastic way, to me doesn't really come across sarcastic, but actually upset and kind of aggressive/angry. I would say maybe it's because my native language isn't German but I've never had trouble hearing sarcasm from Germans before, so I don't think this is the case.

Syldras

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I also play in German and get the same vibes from Bastian as you. I actually didn't use him (or Mirri) until the past year or so, and I was always really curious about Bastian because of the amount of hate I'd see him get since he came out. I was really surprised when I finally started using him. He'd definitely be my favorite if he were a more recent one and got more lines, but along with Isobel and Azandar I like him the most.

If I'd have to rate the ones I like most I would say: Azandar, Mirri (the main reason is that she feels like a younger sister to my Dunmer main, always teasing him), Isobel (so nice and friendly - hard to dislike; I don't even mind her religious lines like "Stendarr bless you", as they come across as well-meaning above everything else), Bastian.

Sharp is okay, I guess, but I don't find him that interesting. Ember I really dislike. It's a personality type I don't enjoy much.

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

Speaking of stuff like this, the German Sharp line where he says something like ''masses of people, fantastic!'' when you enter a city, in what I'm assuming is supposed to be a sarcastic way, to me doesn't really come across sarcastic, but actually upset and kind of aggressive/angry. I would say maybe it's because my native language isn't German but I've never had trouble hearing sarcasm from Germans before, so I don't think this is the case.

Not sure if I'm the best person to judge such things, because while I'm born here and grew up with German as one of my first languages, I tend to miss undertones at times... Anyway, I also think he really hates it, it just doesn't show in a disposition loss because many people would complain if it did.

Poss

I have Bastian specced as my tank and I generally keep him unsummoned unless I need him. I will often forgot to get rid of him while doing my crafting writs and his little toddler tantrum after I craft cheese makes me cackle every single time

LalMirchi

Looking at Mirri, for example:

I loot a pretty insect (torch-bug or butterfly as opposed to uglies like fetcher-flies etc) I get -1 rapport, seconds later I'm reading a book and she's smiling again with +1 rapport.

This is a non-issue for me.

ellmarie

Negative rapport doesn't make sense to me. Right now, trying to complete the Crime Pays/Give to the Poor achievements and Azandar disliked that I gave a beggar money? Just doesn't make sense. And I saw that one of new ones dislikes reading lore books? Can't keep it all straight so why should I bother having a companion out for whatever it is I'm doing, if one of them is going to dislike it. I'll be taking out and putting away companions alot.

Syldras

ellmarie wrote: »

Right now, trying to complete the Crime Pays/Give to the Poor achievements and Azandar disliked that I gave a beggar money? Just doesn't make sense.

They're scammers. Azandar is probably a little exasperated that we fall for that. Personally, I can live with that as it's nothing that occurs too often (and already having the achievement, I ignore them for years now anyway).

I agree with the lorebook thing, though. Apart from the fact that it seems extremely self-entitled to be angry about someone else reading a book, it seems like a very strange decision to discourage players from reading lorebooks, which are one of the biggest factors that make TES stand out. To me it even seems a little disrespectful towards the people who write them.

JemadarofCaerSalis

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Bekkael wrote: »

Bastian's line I mentioned is said in a more critical and serious tone of voice. Listen again, and I think you will hear that it isn't teasing or light-hearted. If it were, I would have enjoyed that, as I love a tease, but sadly, Bastian is far too black and white and wasn't given much teasing in his character make-up. But your perception of him is likely just different from mine, which is to be expected. As you mentioned, it is interesting how two people can hear and perceive two totally different things from a similar experience.

I also hear the line as playful teasing, and he's one of my favorites so I have heard it a lot.

Bastian definitely has some playful lines...

"What do Dragons want with gold, anyway? They don't need to buy anything."

"Nothing is quite so powerful as the temptation to look through someone else's bookshelves."

"Some say gold can't buy happiness. It seems to me they just don't know where to shop!"

He's a secretly a huge nerd lol.

Edit

Also apparently I need to kill bandits more often because I haven't heard this line before

"Bandits should play to their strengths and go into politics. They'd live longer."

That's hilarious.

Those lines about the ultimate have also always felt were more playful teasing than truly being critical.

SteveCampsOut

Dax_Draconis wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

WitchyKiki wrote: »

Azandar after I pick a mushroom "Ewww! Wash your hands"

C'mon.. its hilarious.

According to PTS forum one of the new companions disapproves of filling a soul gem. Imagine trying to level this guy.

So, the Soul Lock passive will not allow players to increase rapport with one of them? I won't be using that companion if that is the case.

Just don't carry any empty soul gems while that companion is out and problem solved.

Erickson9610

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Dax_Draconis wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

WitchyKiki wrote: »

Azandar after I pick a mushroom "Ewww! Wash your hands"

C'mon.. its hilarious.

According to PTS forum one of the new companions disapproves of filling a soul gem. Imagine trying to level this guy.

So, the Soul Lock passive will not allow players to increase rapport with one of them? I won't be using that companion if that is the case.

Just don't carry any empty soul gems while that companion is out and problem solved.

Soul Lock does not trigger negative rapport with Zerith-var.

Juju_beans

I like it as it adds depth to the game. ESO can be a very immersive game.

Otherwise just ignore what the companions say and do what you want when you want.

LootAllTheStuff

The thing that bugs me about Bastiaan's comment on your ultimate, is that apparently, it's not showing off when he does it?

It does come across as a bit of good-natured ribbing to me, but there are times when you just go "Really? It just saved your life!"

Agreed that some of the dislikes don't make much sense given the requirements of the game. Although IIRC the same problem can crop up in Skyrim?

DigiAngel

Completely agree.....accidentally grab a bug at a shard and bam Mirri complains. Kinda silly.

BlueRaven

I don't think it's "basic" mechanics that is the issue. It's more like innocuous mechanics. With the upcoming companions, one apparently does not like reading "purple" lore books. Of all the things to implement... Should eso players avoid reading about lore?

Stealing? Sure.

Assassinations? Ok, that makes sense.

Drinking alcoholic beverages? Ok, I guess.

But reading lore books?

I don't want to remember to unsummon a companion, before say, visiting a dye station, or picking a mushroom, or something dumb like that. It has to be something that makes sense, that a real person would not like, and not a random everyday thing.

coop500

BlueRaven wrote: »

I don't think it's "basic" mechanics that is the issue. It's more like innocuous mechanics. With the upcoming companions, one apparently does not like reading "purple" lore books. Of all the things to implement... Should eso players avoid reading about lore?

Stealing? Sure.

Assassinations? Ok, that makes sense.

Drinking alcoholic beverages? Ok, I guess.

But reading lore books?

I don't want to remember to unsummon a companion, before say, visiting a dye station, or picking a mushroom, or something dumb like that. It has to be something that makes sense, that a real person would not like, and not a random everyday thing.

This is basically what I was trying to say, yeah.
Things that make sense for someone to dislike is fine. Visiting an outfit station, picking a mushroom or reading a book? Leave me alone.

Erickson9610

I think Companion dislikes can be anything — as long as they're justified. For instance, Tanlorin doesn't like Mages Guild lorebooks because of their background with that guild. Bastian doesn't like seeing the player make cheese items because it makes him sick. Zerith-var doesn't like the player trapping souls because it goes against his beliefs.

So far, every Companion like and dislike is justified in some way. Honestly, I think it'd be fun to try to justify why a Companion would or wouldn't like certain things. Of course, it's a little challenging trying to work around those likes and dislikes when adventuring alongside them, but this is a video game.