The Cyrodiil plans = "yep"

Wolfkeks · September 13

Kinda missed this dev interview but at 17:55 they talk a bit about Cyrodiil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72HPHDwETt4

What about the Alliance War? Are you doing anything about that?

That's where we start to look at performance, and then also at some quality life, such as item curation. Then we're constantly adding new cosmetics that you can earn through PvP, adding new item sets and Rewards for the Worthy.

https://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-gamescom-2024-qa-beyond-the-10th-anniversary/

So this kinda reads like: Until performance will be better there won't be significant changes to Cyrodiil.

Erickson9610 · September 13

Muizer wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

I mean in 2025, which is in the coming months.

For that to be true, ZOS would have to have been working on two major PvP updates in parallel, which all things considered is an idea not worth entertaining.

I'm not saying an update to Cyrodiil has to be major. Rather, something small to improve stability.

Muizer · September 13

Erickson9610 wrote: »

I'm not saying an update to Cyrodiil has to be major. Rather, something small to improve stability.

ZOS sold the game to us with the promise of open world PvP. Cyrodiil just does not deliver. Not just because of poor performance, also because the campaign design is awful. So yeah, it actually would take something major.

But the dissatisfaction you see here now is I think most of all an expression of players feeling tired of being strung along with vague promises of continued tweaks. What you are suggesting has already been promised for years and not materialized.

If you knew that, you'd know asking for people to 'wait a little longer' wasn't going to go down very well. Especially not now we've just been told the PvP devs have been spending a lot of resources working on something else entirely over the past 2 years.

Einstein_ · September 13

Wolfkeks wrote: »

Kinda missed this dev interview but at 17:55 they talk a bit about Cyrodiil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72HPHDwETt4

What about the Alliance War? Are you doing anything about that?

That's where we start to look at performance, and then also at some quality life, such as item curation. Then we're constantly adding new cosmetics that you can earn through PvP, adding new item sets and Rewards for the Worthy.
https://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-gamescom-2024-qa-beyond-the-10th-anniversary/

So this kinda reads like: Until performance will be better there won't be significant changes to Cyrodiil.

my guild mates and I where at the german version of the ESO tavern, we had a around 1:30h long talk with Brain Wheeler about pvp, was some interesting insides, i heard the first time in that form.
Topics where:
- Balancing and how they do it
- server performance
- Cyrodiil and its rewards
- We talked about community feedback and we asked why they are so bad at actually collecting useful feedback
- we asked why they stopped class reps
- some exploits (here he was especially interested)

i cba to write a summary of that, but maybe i can tell in discord if somebody wanna write it -_-

RMW · September 13

Einstein_ wrote: »

Wolfkeks wrote: »

Kinda missed this dev interview but at 17:55 they talk a bit about Cyrodiil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72HPHDwETt4

What about the Alliance War? Are you doing anything about that?

That's where we start to look at performance, and then also at some quality life, such as item curation. Then we're constantly adding new cosmetics that you can earn through PvP, adding new item sets and Rewards for the Worthy.
https://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-gamescom-2024-qa-beyond-the-10th-anniversary/

So this kinda reads like: Until performance will be better there won't be significant changes to Cyrodiil.

my guild mates and I where at the german version of the ESO tavern, we had a around 1:30h long talk with Brain Wheeler about pvp, was some interesting insides, i heard the first time in that form.
Topics where:
- Balancing and how they do it
- server performance
- Cyrodiil and its rewards
- We talked about community feedback and we asked why they are so bad at actually collecting useful feedback
- we asked why they stopped class reps
- some exploits (here he was especially interested)

i cba to write a summary of that, but maybe i can tell in discord if somebody wanna write it -_-

A summary would be amazing! Would be interesting to hear about that!
(I think I know you from Cyro, you're the one with the old Futurama name right?)

sunandstars77 · September 13

licenturion wrote: »

JiubLeRepenti wrote: »

Then find solutions for lord' sake. Get new engine, get new servs... We're litterally paying you for this game. The least we should have is a decent PvP area that is working properly after ten years.

They tried new servers. Didn't help much

And 'getting a new engine' is basically starting over. Even games that switched to another version number of Unity or Unreal Engine had massive issues and delays. They are stuck on hero engine. And given the teams have build up a lot of knowledge during the years working with this engine, I am pretty sure the next project will also with this engine. They keep upgrading it with every update too: HDR, DLSS, FSR, etc.

So I wouldn't expect much if you are being a realist about it.

Gamers don't give a rats arse about how pretty a game looks. Gamers care about how well the game plays. Especially in the MMORPG live service genre.

I've said it before I'll say it again. Zenimax/Bethesda are great at making money. They are not great at making games.

No company is too big to fail. If your products suck.

Now Zenimax will think. Well there is no money to be made from PvP. My response to that would be. How many tens of thousands of players quit playing the game solely due to performance and balance.

Einstein_ · September 13

RMW wrote: »

Einstein_ wrote: »

Wolfkeks wrote: »

Kinda missed this dev interview but at 17:55 they talk a bit about Cyrodiil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72HPHDwETt4

What about the Alliance War? Are you doing anything about that?

That's where we start to look at performance, and then also at some quality life, such as item curation. Then we're constantly adding new cosmetics that you can earn through PvP, adding new item sets and Rewards for the Worthy.
https://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-gamescom-2024-qa-beyond-the-10th-anniversary/

So this kinda reads like: Until performance will be better there won't be significant changes to Cyrodiil.

my guild mates and I where at the german version of the ESO tavern, we had a around 1:30h long talk with Brain Wheeler about pvp, was some interesting insides, i heard the first time in that form.
Topics where:
- Balancing and how they do it
- server performance
- Cyrodiil and its rewards
- We talked about community feedback and we asked why they are so bad at actually collecting useful feedback
- we asked why they stopped class reps
- some exploits (here he was especially interested)

i cba to write a summary of that, but maybe i can tell in discord if somebody wanna write it -_-

A summary would be amazing! Would be interesting to hear about that!
(I think I know you from Cyro, you're the one with the old Futurama name right?)

if you write the summary i give you the oral version on discord.

yes i am the old Futurama character from cyro (but got banned/ forced renamed because it was offensive after 10 years of heaving it)

albertberku · September 13

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Yeah, I hear that. I assume that most people who say that play GH? I'm in Ravenwatch and almost never have any performance issues...

I am in GH and i never have performance issues, as well. But reading all the comments, i begin to think the people complaining about the performance are the players that play in ball groups. If you are 10 people ball group, you are going to get 30 other faction enemies wherever you go. So, wherever you play, you are going to pull 50 players to 10m^2 area. I dont know if it is ever technically possible to solve that kind of bandwith and hardware problem. So, i would say you are creating the problem to begin with... Because i never ever experience performance problems in GH in solo, small scale or random sieges with more players but divided to a bigger region.

I would even suggest that the most lag is caused by your own CPU and GPU trying to calculate and render so many stuff on the screen accounting so many players in a very small region, which would of course cause a delay on the information your PC processes, which may look like network lag.

Poss wrote: »

You try going 5 years without a new trial, dungeon or chapter. 😂

This is exactly what i meant, this is the difference, in PvE you fight against the new "content". In PvP the new content is other players. That is what PvP means.

PvE: Player versus Environment.
PvP: Player versus Player.

Erickson9610 · September 13

Muizer wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

I'm not saying an update to Cyrodiil has to be major. Rather, something small to improve stability.

ZOS sold the game to us with the promise of open world PvP. Cyrodiil just does not deliver. Not just because of poor performance, also because the campaign design is awful. So yeah, it actually would take something major.

But the dissatisfaction you see here now is I think most of all an expression of players feeling tired of being strung along with vague promises of continued tweaks. What you are suggesting has already been promised for years and not materialized.

If you knew that, you'd know asking for people to 'wait a little longer' wasn't going to go down very well. Especially not now we've just been told the PvP devs have been spending a lot of resources working on something else entirely over the past 2 years.

I've been getting a lot of conflicting opinions in this thread. First it was that Cyrodiil doesn't need new features, but rather balance changes, bug fixes, and server stability increases. Then it's that said changes to Cyrodiil would have to be major — bug fixes are not "major features" the way new features are.

I know it's not going to go well to ask people who have been waiting for years to keep waiting. But, what else can be said? ZOS is still working on it. It won't get here until it's finished. Just because new features like revamped Battlegrounds are being worked on doesn't mean ZOS isn't still working on ways to improve the Cyrodiil experience.

LPapirius · September 13

loosej wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

If a shooter game adds new guns, does that count as PvP content? I would think so. It's not a new map or a new gamemode, but it is still content to be used in PvP.

In this case, ESO adds new effects with item sets. A lot of new gear is released, with some of it being sourced from PvP activities. I think it's a fair comparison to make, because like new weapons in a shooter game, they add new ways to play PvP.

Are we complaining about a lack of guns (gear)? [snip]

[edited for baiting]

An awesome for you!

LPapirius · September 13

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Stafford197 wrote: »

I have many great memories of Cyrodiil PvP from way back, when it was genuinely amazing. I remember it as fondly as I do PvP from the old CoD or Halo games.

Seems that all good PvP eventually comes to an end though. Cyrodiil has zero chance of going back to anything nearly as fun as how it used to be.

There's a non-zero chance that Cyrodiil will be improved in the coming months. In an interview, ZOS has said that "PvP is definitely a big part of our future."

ZOS doesn't want to completely neglect Cyrodiil. After all, they did make QoL updates specifically for Cyrodiil, and they have been working on improving the servers.

How do you know ZOS is working on improving the servers? (link to their recent press release about this please)

Casul · September 13

Based on what I gathered from the official statement it seems like 4x4x4 BG are going away, not sure if this means all the old maps are being replaced or renovated.

I do worry about the president this sets for ZOS vaulting content. It would be like then changing hall of fabrication into a public dungeon and removing the trial.

gronoxvx · September 13

Tbh, the sooner people realise they wont ever fix cyro the better. Its been asked about for years, the "year of performance" did very little, their bug fixes are typos for questing in pve and i could go on and on.

Its better to put your time, money and effort behind a game that appreciates your time and effort compared to one that is purely here to milk cash while they fund their next mmo. As we all know thats why ESO is still around.

Erickson9610 · September 13

LPapirius wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Stafford197 wrote: »

I have many great memories of Cyrodiil PvP from way back, when it was genuinely amazing. I remember it as fondly as I do PvP from the old CoD or Halo games.

Seems that all good PvP eventually comes to an end though. Cyrodiil has zero chance of going back to anything nearly as fun as how it used to be.

There's a non-zero chance that Cyrodiil will be improved in the coming months. In an interview, ZOS has said that "PvP is definitely a big part of our future."

ZOS doesn't want to completely neglect Cyrodiil. After all, they did make QoL updates specifically for Cyrodiil, and they have been working on improving the servers.

How do you know ZOS is working on improving the servers? (link to their recent press release about this please)

Here's a quote from ZOS_Kevin this August where he says they are continuing to monitor the situation:

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

kyngtez wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

We are working on wrapping up maintenance on PC NA. Had to swap out some hardware and get that checked, and then we should be opening. Thanks for your patience.

@ZOS_Kevin will this fix recent lag spikes and disconnects? game borderline unplayable for alot.

The hardware swap today is not intended to address the lag spikes and disconnects many of you have noted. We are still monitoring that situation and using your tickets and feedback to see how we can make the connection issues better.

ZOS will take action to mitigate the server issues. They haven't forgotten about it.

Elsonso · September 14

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

I mean in 2025, which is in the coming months.

For that to be true, ZOS would have to have been working on two major PvP updates in parallel, which all things considered is an idea not worth entertaining.

I'm not saying an update to Cyrodiil has to be major. Rather, something small to improve stability.

At this point, any improvement to stability and performance would likely be seen as "major" by players.

LadyGP · September 14

Stafford197 wrote: »

I have many great memories of Cyrodiil PvP from way back, when it was genuinely amazing. I remember it as fondly as I do PvP from the old CoD or Halo games.

Seems that all good PvP eventually comes to an end though. Cyrodiil has zero chance of going back to anything nearly as fun as how it used to be.

The quote of the year.

This is me and so many people I play with (used to play with because many left ESO).

LadyGP · September 14

Muizer wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

I mean in 2025, which is in the coming months.

For that to be true, ZOS would have to have been working on two major PvP updates in parallel, which all things considered is an idea not worth entertaining.

I'm still holding out hope that ZOS has some hidden plans for Cyro that have been in the works for many years that they some how have been able to have zero leaks of.

I've actually had this hope for about 4 years now only to be disappointed when the road map comes out.

I remember happily yelling a lot of "F yeahs" and stuff when I was watching the stream in 2024 and it said "PvP Feature".

My first thought went to Cyro (because no one considers dueling, ToT, or BGs "PvP".. when someone says PvP they mean Cyro). Yes, technically those all are PvP - I hear you - I'm just saying when you go into zone chat and say PvP everyones first thought is Cyro - and zos knows this.

so to find out it wasn't cyro related after thinking for 2 quarters we had cyro updates coming... was... very depressing.

blktauna · September 15

@ZOS_Kevin we all understood the update was BGs. That's not what the calls in chat were about.

It was to let @ZOS_BrianWheeler know how we felt. Its not often his eyes are on our comments and it was simply saying 'hey remember us?'

I was honestly suprised I didn't get timed out like normal when I typed in 'Cyro?'

You guys should know it wasn't anything to do with misunderstanding what the update contained. Its pretty disingenuous to say that. It was solely seizing the opportunity to have the person who makes cyrodil run understand how much we want it to run as it should. And maybe to get some sort of acknowledgement out of the interaction.

blktauna · September 15

Lumsdenml wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Ok, just going to throw this out there... It seems that the devs feel that in PVE, they provide the content and story lines that the players play through and in PVP Cyrodiil, the players provide the content to play through. Is that reasonable? I can see, on the dev side, that being a reasonable position. As a player, I can also see how something new would be fun...

To be honest... I think the overwhelming majority of PvPers would be okay with zero content moving forward in exchange for just fixing the performance issues that have been plaguing it for many years.

Give this ol' beater of a car a little tune up - ya know what I mean?

Yeah, I hear that. I assume that most people who say that play GH? I'm in Ravenwatch and almost never have any performance issues...

HAHAHAHAHA WHUT????
EU Ravenwatch at primetime is a lagfest. Especially with the sorc ball groups

Amottica · September 15

I like that we are getting XvX instead of XvXvX instanced BGs. I hope it plays better, as I have found the three-team format, for instanced PvP to be lacking. I still think the objective-based BGs need a major tweak but we will see what we get.

darvaria · September 15

I have one over the top gaming computer that way exceeds minimum requirements and I have no trouble. I used to see a difference between hard wire (ethernet) and wireless. But a few months ago we totally upgraded router, with boosters, and now I can not see any difference with a hard connect. I have 2 other gaming computer sets ups exactly like my main one and see no difference.

HOWEVER, I have one older computer, that is not "over the top" but exceeds ZOS requirements to play ESO. I can not go to Cyrodiil on this computer. A direct connect helps some, but basically only log on there if I am hanging around that spot and want to do endeavors. I can barely play on my husband's laptop as well. I can easily do endeavors and such but NEVER go to Cyrodiil on it.

I think it's your computer. Minimum requirements should be reset for Cyrodiil. Doesn't seem to be internet because i routinely play in 3 southern states and don't see any difference.

Lumsdenml · September 15

blktauna wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Ok, just going to throw this out there... It seems that the devs feel that in PVE, they provide the content and story lines that the players play through and in PVP Cyrodiil, the players provide the content to play through. Is that reasonable? I can see, on the dev side, that being a reasonable position. As a player, I can also see how something new would be fun...

To be honest... I think the overwhelming majority of PvPers would be okay with zero content moving forward in exchange for just fixing the performance issues that have been plaguing it for many years.

Give this ol' beater of a car a little tune up - ya know what I mean?

Yeah, I hear that. I assume that most people who say that play GH? I'm in Ravenwatch and almost never have any performance issues...

HAHAHAHAHA WHUT????
EU Ravenwatch at primetime is a lagfest. Especially with the sorc ball groups

I was speaking about NA. I don't know about EU. Assumed it was obvious as per my signature, but forgot to specify.

Bammlschwamml · September 15

1) "Working on it..."
2) "Servers are fine"
3) "I have no performance issues at all"
4) "We hear you"
5) "We will pass this along to the team to discuss it in the future" (or something like this in different versions)
6) "We will keep you updated"
7) "Fam"

Just to get an idea. There is more, but that's my top 7 phrases that will make my body react in a bad way, since i started playing ESO. Like i feel like i have to puke. And a cold shiver running down my spine. Uncontrollable shaking for a moment. Eyes will automatically close for a second, my face will turn away from the screen. There might have been tears at some point. Sometimes i suddenly have to poop, idk...

And it's not just physical. I am afraid the feelings connected to some of these phrases will haunt me forever. Not just in my dreams but decision making too. Anger, frustration, trust issues etc. I learned about gaslighting in this very forum, never really knew what it was before i tried to find out what's going on with this game...

I would not go so far as calling this "post traumatic stress" or anything serious, and i don't really blame anyone but myself. But ESO did a number on me to be honest.

Sometimes i ask myself if this is still just a game, or if there is something else going on. Like a social experiment. I am not the first person in this forum with this idea, so i am either on to something, or i can add paranoia to my list.

Fix the game please.

reazea · September 15

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

First, we do want to acknowledge folks sentiment here and know that we are providing the feedback of disappointment of no Cyrodiil content to the team. We understand many of you want new content for Cyrodiil and to address long standing issues. So we will continue to voice those concerns with the team. Gina and Brian mentioning Cyrodiil was not to raise hope and dash it, but to acknowledge the chat mentioning Cyrodiil during the stream.

The one thing we do want to note is that we have tried to make it clear for months now that this update would be Battlegrounds focused. We have noted that several times over the last few months here on the forum and on our social channels. We know this does not diminished the frustration. We just want to make it clear that we tried to set expectations accordingly to avoid disappointment. But we will take a look back and see how we can better set expectations next time to make sure we are being clear about the intention of the stream.

People do have some issue with no new content for Cyrodiil, but the primary problem, by far and away, the problem is the neglect for performance ZOS has when it comes to Cyrodiil, the multiple stealth reductions to the population cap, the reduced group size, the lack of anything done to limit cross healing making ball groups invincible, the crazy out of balance NB's one shotting people from stealth 42 meters away etc.

In short, the PvP community isn't upset about a lack of new content. We're upset that ZOS is no longer delivering the product we grew to know and love and is, apparently, making zero effort to fix all the things ZOS has broken when it comes to Cyrodiil. We just want our old Cyrodiil back. And since ZOS made it work in the past, there is nothing that can be used as an excuse for not making it work like it used to again in the future.

Even Brian Wheeler admitted during the live stream that he essentially doesn't PvP anymore. A statement that was reinforced when he told us what sets he wears on his healer. Even Brian Wheeler is using a 2 year old build for his PvP healer. So it's clear that even the guy that's supposed to be in charge of ESO PvP isn't spending enough time in the zone.

@ZOS_Kevin

reazea · September 15

Erickson9610 wrote: »

LPapirius wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Stafford197 wrote: »

I have many great memories of Cyrodiil PvP from way back, when it was genuinely amazing. I remember it as fondly as I do PvP from the old CoD or Halo games.

Seems that all good PvP eventually comes to an end though. Cyrodiil has zero chance of going back to anything nearly as fun as how it used to be.

There's a non-zero chance that Cyrodiil will be improved in the coming months. In an interview, ZOS has said that "PvP is definitely a big part of our future."

ZOS doesn't want to completely neglect Cyrodiil. After all, they did make QoL updates specifically for Cyrodiil, and they have been working on improving the servers.

How do you know ZOS is working on improving the servers? (link to their recent press release about this please)

Here's a quote from ZOS_Kevin this August where he says they are continuing to monitor the situation:

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

kyngtez wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

We are working on wrapping up maintenance on PC NA. Had to swap out some hardware and get that checked, and then we should be opening. Thanks for your patience.

@ZOS_Kevin will this fix recent lag spikes and disconnects? game borderline unplayable for alot.

The hardware swap today is not intended to address the lag spikes and disconnects many of you have noted. We are still monitoring that situation and using your tickets and feedback to see how we can make the connection issues better.

ZOS will take action to mitigate the server issues. They haven't forgotten about it.

Your faith is highly misplaced on this topic. If ZOS wanted to fix Cyrodiil performance issues they would be fixed by now.

LadyGP · September 15

reazea wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

LPapirius wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Stafford197 wrote: »

I have many great memories of Cyrodiil PvP from way back, when it was genuinely amazing. I remember it as fondly as I do PvP from the old CoD or Halo games.

Seems that all good PvP eventually comes to an end though. Cyrodiil has zero chance of going back to anything nearly as fun as how it used to be.

There's a non-zero chance that Cyrodiil will be improved in the coming months. In an interview, ZOS has said that "PvP is definitely a big part of our future."

ZOS doesn't want to completely neglect Cyrodiil. After all, they did make QoL updates specifically for Cyrodiil, and they have been working on improving the servers.

How do you know ZOS is working on improving the servers? (link to their recent press release about this please)

Here's a quote from ZOS_Kevin this August where he says they are continuing to monitor the situation:

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

kyngtez wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

We are working on wrapping up maintenance on PC NA. Had to swap out some hardware and get that checked, and then we should be opening. Thanks for your patience.

@ZOS_Kevin will this fix recent lag spikes and disconnects? game borderline unplayable for alot.

The hardware swap today is not intended to address the lag spikes and disconnects many of you have noted. We are still monitoring that situation and using your tickets and feedback to see how we can make the connection issues better.

ZOS will take action to mitigate the server issues. They haven't forgotten about it.

Your faith is highly misplaced on this topic. If ZOS wanted to fix Cyrodiil performance issues they would be fixed by now.

Agree with you.

IMO the problem is simply the engine is what.. 17 years old now (dev time prior to launch)?

This beater of a honda can't turn into a lambo no matter how many times they make tweaks to the internals (code base).

Until they get around the engine limitations I think Cyro is just a lost cause. PvE is starting to have big impacts on performance. Every dungeon group I've been in has had people asking if anyone else is having lag. This used to be a cyro issue for the past 5 years but it's not in PvE.

Zabagad · September 16

LadyGP wrote: »

IMO the problem is simply the engine is what.. 17 years old now (dev time prior to launch)?

This beater of a honda can't turn into a lambo no matter how many times they make tweaks to the internals (code base).

Until they get around the engine limitations I think Cyro is just a lost cause. PvE is starting to have big impacts on performance. Every dungeon group I've been in has had people asking if anyone else is having lag. This used to be a cyro issue for the past 5 years but it's not in PvE.

Even with this old engine it was possible to have a lot of fun in cyro ~10 month ago.
During their pop lock test week cyro wasn't running smooth for the hole week, but for 97% of the time it was sooooo much more fun to play there compared to this [snip] now.

So - even with this old engine, they were/are able to give us a much better cyro experience....

moderatelyfatman · September 16

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Tcholl wrote: »

They come up with changes and updates NO ONE HAS ASKED FOR and do not matter to the majority of players, while neglecting issues that have been appointed for several years now.

ZOS has been working on those issues. And further, ZOS is supposed to make changes no one asked for — that's called new content. ZOS wanted to change Battlegrounds to appeal to a new audience, and they wanted to create the Infinite Archive to draw in fans of the Roguelike genre. Both of these can be easily marketed to outside audiences.

LadyGP wrote: »

Do you remember the "Year of Performance"?

The performance updates were secondary to the Chapter/DLC release schedule, which were the primary focus of marketing campaigns.

Don't forget the card game.
The problem is that unless they do these new features well, people can play other games where it is the core feature of the gameplay.
Seriously, who would buy an MMO just to play a card game?

mitchtheelder · September 16

i think ZOS should create a POLL and ask ppl if they want an PVP Chapter for 40eur

then they can see if this is good for them to make one and if ppl are really interested.....

Tsuriel · September 16

I lost my last ounce of hope in the housing feature stream, I see I wasn't wrong in this case where one of, if not the only entertaining feature left in ESO is altogether ignored and left to collect dust. Like someone said in one of the previous pages; I cancelled my ESO+ and skipped Gold Road as well. There's only so much one can take before it's time to move on.

At the end of the day I get my PvP satisfaction somewhere else for the moment but Cyrodiil's PvP until left to collect dust, had it's fair share of potential beyond the bad performance.