Has something been done about sorc yet or is PvP still unplayable

bladenick

It worst with CP for melee build in my understanding, as there auto break free CP ability, cause the incap + spectral bow combo failed, it always guaranteed in BG due to the lag.

LittlePinkDot

Johaylons wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

bladenick wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Johaylons wrote: »

Nb player here. I dont have access to DLCs so I cant make anthelmir + tarnished. I'm currently runing a bow build(I love bows in every game its availible) with sheer venom and ring of the wild hunt for escape/mobility. I play battlegrounds. Whenever I meet a good sorc, the fight goes like this:

1)I open up with lethal arrow + LA + poison injection. This takes about 25% of his shields.

2)He rushes towards me doing his dmg stuff. While he is doing that, I'm moving diagonally back while still hitting him.

3)At this point I'm about 50% hp and his shields are finally down, he reapplies them and I go backbar to heal + cloak so I can run away and reangege.

4)His damage over time effects take me out of the cloak in 1 second. Or something does. Maybe invit pot + hit idk. I reapply cloak to get away but he blinks into me stunning me. Meanwhile I'm still taking dmg cuz of dots and his abilities.

5)I try to self heal to survive, I die.

Probably an oversimplification, but basically this. I dont know how I can counter this. No matter where I run with spring or not, cloak or not, they can always catch/stun me with one or multiple blink/stuns that they do. I got "wyrd tree" set just so I can get some dispells against sorcs that reapply every 7.5 secs for 30 seconds. I'm trying out a damage over time build against his shields. Idk.

Edit: I know its probably a l2p issue, and thats why I'm here. Teach me please

Edit 2: I dont think I'm doing bad, but maybe I am because all my damage is pad damage and useless?

Are you using merciless resolve? NB nuke skill is merciless resolve. If you shot off that after lethal arrow then go into poison injection, you might be able to kill them. Also using NB fear skill to prevent them from re-applying the shield would help.

There nothing to do with spectral bow, you get no chance if NB can not kill sorc by burst damage, in most case, you can’t, once the sorc survives your burst damage and re shields, the toughest thing for NB is how to survival under sorc’s streak and detect pot, the NB need investigating on defend set or there no chance run away

Magicka NB is better because you can continually use cloak. The only NB I use now is my Magicka NB.
And you need to cast a shadow skill to keep major resolve buff up because that's how the passive works.
If you could cloak as much as you want to you could easily gain 5 stacks for merciless resolve.
But if you're Magicka and want to be ranged, you might as well use a lightning destruction staff.

It's funny, but I use Sheer Venom and swamp raider set on my bow Arcanist with Lethal arrow and poison injection. Except instead of cloak I have a massive magic shield called impervious runeward.

I actually went for sheer venom and swamp raider, it was very fun!

Yeah I hear magicla NBs are actually better. But not for me. I dont want a staff, I like bows and only bows, in every game thats possible, good or bad I'll make it work.

Technically it's not impossible to use bow with Magicka NB, but you would probably have to trade lethal arrow for swallow soul, but keep poison injection.
Hybridization is not impossible, even encouraged Just make sure your spammable is your main resource. Class skills can be used with any weapon regardless of if they're Magicka or stamina, it doesn't matter. The weapon only determines which resource your heavy attacks regenerate. You should use the merciless resolve morph instead of the relentless focus morph. Merciless resolve does more damage.
Any damage type will scale off whatever is higher your weapon or spell damage, it doesn't matter that merciless resolve is magic damage.

Templar gets a passive minor sorcery so that means Templars max spell damage is used for any weapon it uses. It basically uses spell damage to swing a heavy 2 handed great axe.

My Magicka NB is dual wield and uses shrouded daggers for major brutality even though it's stamina. Concealed weapon as spammable and impale for an execute.

Navaac223

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Johaylons wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

bladenick wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Johaylons wrote: »

Nb player here. I dont have access to DLCs so I cant make anthelmir + tarnished. I'm currently runing a bow build(I love bows in every game its availible) with sheer venom and ring of the wild hunt for escape/mobility. I play battlegrounds. Whenever I meet a good sorc, the fight goes like this:

1)I open up with lethal arrow + LA + poison injection. This takes about 25% of his shields.

2)He rushes towards me doing his dmg stuff. While he is doing that, I'm moving diagonally back while still hitting him.

3)At this point I'm about 50% hp and his shields are finally down, he reapplies them and I go backbar to heal + cloak so I can run away and reangege.

4)His damage over time effects take me out of the cloak in 1 second. Or something does. Maybe invit pot + hit idk. I reapply cloak to get away but he blinks into me stunning me. Meanwhile I'm still taking dmg cuz of dots and his abilities.

5)I try to self heal to survive, I die.

Probably an oversimplification, but basically this. I dont know how I can counter this. No matter where I run with spring or not, cloak or not, they can always catch/stun me with one or multiple blink/stuns that they do. I got "wyrd tree" set just so I can get some dispells against sorcs that reapply every 7.5 secs for 30 seconds. I'm trying out a damage over time build against his shields. Idk.

Edit: I know its probably a l2p issue, and thats why I'm here. Teach me please

Edit 2: I dont think I'm doing bad, but maybe I am because all my damage is pad damage and useless?

Are you using merciless resolve? NB nuke skill is merciless resolve. If you shot off that after lethal arrow then go into poison injection, you might be able to kill them. Also using NB fear skill to prevent them from re-applying the shield would help.

There nothing to do with spectral bow, you get no chance if NB can not kill sorc by burst damage, in most case, you can’t, once the sorc survives your burst damage and re shields, the toughest thing for NB is how to survival under sorc’s streak and detect pot, the NB need investigating on defend set or there no chance run away

Magicka NB is better because you can continually use cloak. The only NB I use now is my Magicka NB.
And you need to cast a shadow skill to keep major resolve buff up because that's how the passive works.
If you could cloak as much as you want to you could easily gain 5 stacks for merciless resolve.
But if you're Magicka and want to be ranged, you might as well use a lightning destruction staff.

It's funny, but I use Sheer Venom and swamp raider set on my bow Arcanist with Lethal arrow and poison injection. Except instead of cloak I have a massive magic shield called impervious runeward.

I actually went for sheer venom and swamp raider, it was very fun!

Yeah I hear magicla NBs are actually better. But not for me. I dont want a staff, I like bows and only bows, in every game thats possible, good or bad I'll make it work.

Technically it's not impossible to use bow with Magicka NB, but you would probably have to trade lethal arrow for swallow soul, but keep poison injection.
Hybridization is not impossible, even encouraged Just make sure your spammable is your main resource. Class skills can be used with any weapon regardless of if they're Magicka or stamina, it doesn't matter. The weapon only determines which resource your heavy attacks regenerate. You should use the merciless resolve morph instead of the relentless focus morph. Merciless resolve does more damage.
Any damage type will scale off whatever is higher your weapon or spell damage, it doesn't matter that merciless resolve is magic damage.

Templar gets a passive minor sorcery so that means Templars max spell damage is used for any weapon it uses. It basically uses spell damage to swing a heavy 2 handed great axe.

My Magicka NB is dual wield and uses shrouded daggers for major brutality even though it's stamina. Concealed weapon as spammable and impale for an execute.

Why shrouded daggers ? Isn't it the worst source of major brutality (ok maybe behind skeletal archer now xD). You have access to one of the best skills for that : power extraction. Unless you really need a ranged execute power extraction is BiS

Turtle_Bot

Navaac223 wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Johaylons wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

bladenick wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Johaylons wrote: »

Nb player here. I dont have access to DLCs so I cant make anthelmir + tarnished. I'm currently runing a bow build(I love bows in every game its availible) with sheer venom and ring of the wild hunt for escape/mobility. I play battlegrounds. Whenever I meet a good sorc, the fight goes like this:

1)I open up with lethal arrow + LA + poison injection. This takes about 25% of his shields.

2)He rushes towards me doing his dmg stuff. While he is doing that, I'm moving diagonally back while still hitting him.

3)At this point I'm about 50% hp and his shields are finally down, he reapplies them and I go backbar to heal + cloak so I can run away and reangege.

4)His damage over time effects take me out of the cloak in 1 second. Or something does. Maybe invit pot + hit idk. I reapply cloak to get away but he blinks into me stunning me. Meanwhile I'm still taking dmg cuz of dots and his abilities.

5)I try to self heal to survive, I die.

Probably an oversimplification, but basically this. I dont know how I can counter this. No matter where I run with spring or not, cloak or not, they can always catch/stun me with one or multiple blink/stuns that they do. I got "wyrd tree" set just so I can get some dispells against sorcs that reapply every 7.5 secs for 30 seconds. I'm trying out a damage over time build against his shields. Idk.

Edit: I know its probably a l2p issue, and thats why I'm here. Teach me please

Edit 2: I dont think I'm doing bad, but maybe I am because all my damage is pad damage and useless?

Are you using merciless resolve? NB nuke skill is merciless resolve. If you shot off that after lethal arrow then go into poison injection, you might be able to kill them. Also using NB fear skill to prevent them from re-applying the shield would help.

There nothing to do with spectral bow, you get no chance if NB can not kill sorc by burst damage, in most case, you can’t, once the sorc survives your burst damage and re shields, the toughest thing for NB is how to survival under sorc’s streak and detect pot, the NB need investigating on defend set or there no chance run away

Magicka NB is better because you can continually use cloak. The only NB I use now is my Magicka NB.
And you need to cast a shadow skill to keep major resolve buff up because that's how the passive works.
If you could cloak as much as you want to you could easily gain 5 stacks for merciless resolve.
But if you're Magicka and want to be ranged, you might as well use a lightning destruction staff.

It's funny, but I use Sheer Venom and swamp raider set on my bow Arcanist with Lethal arrow and poison injection. Except instead of cloak I have a massive magic shield called impervious runeward.

I actually went for sheer venom and swamp raider, it was very fun!

Yeah I hear magicla NBs are actually better. But not for me. I dont want a staff, I like bows and only bows, in every game thats possible, good or bad I'll make it work.

Technically it's not impossible to use bow with Magicka NB, but you would probably have to trade lethal arrow for swallow soul, but keep poison injection.
Hybridization is not impossible, even encouraged Just make sure your spammable is your main resource. Class skills can be used with any weapon regardless of if they're Magicka or stamina, it doesn't matter. The weapon only determines which resource your heavy attacks regenerate. You should use the merciless resolve morph instead of the relentless focus morph. Merciless resolve does more damage.
Any damage type will scale off whatever is higher your weapon or spell damage, it doesn't matter that merciless resolve is magic damage.

Templar gets a passive minor sorcery so that means Templars max spell damage is used for any weapon it uses. It basically uses spell damage to swing a heavy 2 handed great axe.

My Magicka NB is dual wield and uses shrouded daggers for major brutality even though it's stamina. Concealed weapon as spammable and impale for an execute.

Why shrouded daggers ? Isn't it the worst source of major brutality (ok maybe behind skeletal archer now xD). You have access to one of the best skills for that : power extraction. Unless you really need a ranged execute power extraction is BiS

You can have both, I run both power extraction and impale on my NB, no need to give up PE for impale.

Navaac223

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Navaac223 wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Johaylons wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

bladenick wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Johaylons wrote: »

Nb player here. I dont have access to DLCs so I cant make anthelmir + tarnished. I'm currently runing a bow build(I love bows in every game its availible) with sheer venom and ring of the wild hunt for escape/mobility. I play battlegrounds. Whenever I meet a good sorc, the fight goes like this:

1)I open up with lethal arrow + LA + poison injection. This takes about 25% of his shields.

2)He rushes towards me doing his dmg stuff. While he is doing that, I'm moving diagonally back while still hitting him.

3)At this point I'm about 50% hp and his shields are finally down, he reapplies them and I go backbar to heal + cloak so I can run away and reangege.

4)His damage over time effects take me out of the cloak in 1 second. Or something does. Maybe invit pot + hit idk. I reapply cloak to get away but he blinks into me stunning me. Meanwhile I'm still taking dmg cuz of dots and his abilities.

5)I try to self heal to survive, I die.

Probably an oversimplification, but basically this. I dont know how I can counter this. No matter where I run with spring or not, cloak or not, they can always catch/stun me with one or multiple blink/stuns that they do. I got "wyrd tree" set just so I can get some dispells against sorcs that reapply every 7.5 secs for 30 seconds. I'm trying out a damage over time build against his shields. Idk.

Edit: I know its probably a l2p issue, and thats why I'm here. Teach me please

Edit 2: I dont think I'm doing bad, but maybe I am because all my damage is pad damage and useless?

Are you using merciless resolve? NB nuke skill is merciless resolve. If you shot off that after lethal arrow then go into poison injection, you might be able to kill them. Also using NB fear skill to prevent them from re-applying the shield would help.

There nothing to do with spectral bow, you get no chance if NB can not kill sorc by burst damage, in most case, you can’t, once the sorc survives your burst damage and re shields, the toughest thing for NB is how to survival under sorc’s streak and detect pot, the NB need investigating on defend set or there no chance run away

Magicka NB is better because you can continually use cloak. The only NB I use now is my Magicka NB.
And you need to cast a shadow skill to keep major resolve buff up because that's how the passive works.
If you could cloak as much as you want to you could easily gain 5 stacks for merciless resolve.
But if you're Magicka and want to be ranged, you might as well use a lightning destruction staff.

It's funny, but I use Sheer Venom and swamp raider set on my bow Arcanist with Lethal arrow and poison injection. Except instead of cloak I have a massive magic shield called impervious runeward.

I actually went for sheer venom and swamp raider, it was very fun!

Yeah I hear magicla NBs are actually better. But not for me. I dont want a staff, I like bows and only bows, in every game thats possible, good or bad I'll make it work.

Technically it's not impossible to use bow with Magicka NB, but you would probably have to trade lethal arrow for swallow soul, but keep poison injection.
Hybridization is not impossible, even encouraged Just make sure your spammable is your main resource. Class skills can be used with any weapon regardless of if they're Magicka or stamina, it doesn't matter. The weapon only determines which resource your heavy attacks regenerate. You should use the merciless resolve morph instead of the relentless focus morph. Merciless resolve does more damage.
Any damage type will scale off whatever is higher your weapon or spell damage, it doesn't matter that merciless resolve is magic damage.

Templar gets a passive minor sorcery so that means Templars max spell damage is used for any weapon it uses. It basically uses spell damage to swing a heavy 2 handed great axe.

My Magicka NB is dual wield and uses shrouded daggers for major brutality even though it's stamina. Concealed weapon as spammable and impale for an execute.

Why shrouded daggers ? Isn't it the worst source of major brutality (ok maybe behind skeletal archer now xD). You have access to one of the best skills for that : power extraction. Unless you really need a ranged execute power extraction is BiS

You can have both, I run both power extraction and impale on my NB, no need to give up PE for impale.

Shrouded daggers is a dual wield ability, not the nightblade execute. Ofc you shouldn't drop impale

Navaac223

Oh wait I get it : I said ranged execute. I meant range interrupt

Navaac223 wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Johaylons wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

bladenick wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Johaylons wrote: »

Nb player here. I dont have access to DLCs so I cant make anthelmir + tarnished. I'm currently runing a bow build(I love bows in every game its availible) with sheer venom and ring of the wild hunt for escape/mobility. I play battlegrounds. Whenever I meet a good sorc, the fight goes like this:

1)I open up with lethal arrow + LA + poison injection. This takes about 25% of his shields.

2)He rushes towards me doing his dmg stuff. While he is doing that, I'm moving diagonally back while still hitting him.

3)At this point I'm about 50% hp and his shields are finally down, he reapplies them and I go backbar to heal + cloak so I can run away and reangege.

4)His damage over time effects take me out of the cloak in 1 second. Or something does. Maybe invit pot + hit idk. I reapply cloak to get away but he blinks into me stunning me. Meanwhile I'm still taking dmg cuz of dots and his abilities.

5)I try to self heal to survive, I die.

Probably an oversimplification, but basically this. I dont know how I can counter this. No matter where I run with spring or not, cloak or not, they can always catch/stun me with one or multiple blink/stuns that they do. I got "wyrd tree" set just so I can get some dispells against sorcs that reapply every 7.5 secs for 30 seconds. I'm trying out a damage over time build against his shields. Idk.

Edit: I know its probably a l2p issue, and thats why I'm here. Teach me please

Edit 2: I dont think I'm doing bad, but maybe I am because all my damage is pad damage and useless?

Are you using merciless resolve? NB nuke skill is merciless resolve. If you shot off that after lethal arrow then go into poison injection, you might be able to kill them. Also using NB fear skill to prevent them from re-applying the shield would help.

There nothing to do with spectral bow, you get no chance if NB can not kill sorc by burst damage, in most case, you can’t, once the sorc survives your burst damage and re shields, the toughest thing for NB is how to survival under sorc’s streak and detect pot, the NB need investigating on defend set or there no chance run away

Magicka NB is better because you can continually use cloak. The only NB I use now is my Magicka NB.
And you need to cast a shadow skill to keep major resolve buff up because that's how the passive works.
If you could cloak as much as you want to you could easily gain 5 stacks for merciless resolve.
But if you're Magicka and want to be ranged, you might as well use a lightning destruction staff.

It's funny, but I use Sheer Venom and swamp raider set on my bow Arcanist with Lethal arrow and poison injection. Except instead of cloak I have a massive magic shield called impervious runeward.

I actually went for sheer venom and swamp raider, it was very fun!

Yeah I hear magicla NBs are actually better. But not for me. I dont want a staff, I like bows and only bows, in every game thats possible, good or bad I'll make it work.

Technically it's not impossible to use bow with Magicka NB, but you would probably have to trade lethal arrow for swallow soul, but keep poison injection.
Hybridization is not impossible, even encouraged Just make sure your spammable is your main resource. Class skills can be used with any weapon regardless of if they're Magicka or stamina, it doesn't matter. The weapon only determines which resource your heavy attacks regenerate. You should use the merciless resolve morph instead of the relentless focus morph. Merciless resolve does more damage.
Any damage type will scale off whatever is higher your weapon or spell damage, it doesn't matter that merciless resolve is magic damage.

Templar gets a passive minor sorcery so that means Templars max spell damage is used for any weapon it uses. It basically uses spell damage to swing a heavy 2 handed great axe.

My Magicka NB is dual wield and uses shrouded daggers for major brutality even though it's stamina. Concealed weapon as spammable and impale for an execute.

Unless you really need a ranged execute power extraction is BiS

Turtle_Bot

Navaac223 wrote: »

Oh wait I get it : I said ranged execute. I meant range interrupt

Navaac223 wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Johaylons wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

bladenick wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Johaylons wrote: »

Nb player here. I dont have access to DLCs so I cant make anthelmir + tarnished. I'm currently runing a bow build(I love bows in every game its availible) with sheer venom and ring of the wild hunt for escape/mobility. I play battlegrounds. Whenever I meet a good sorc, the fight goes like this:

1)I open up with lethal arrow + LA + poison injection. This takes about 25% of his shields.

2)He rushes towards me doing his dmg stuff. While he is doing that, I'm moving diagonally back while still hitting him.

3)At this point I'm about 50% hp and his shields are finally down, he reapplies them and I go backbar to heal + cloak so I can run away and reangege.

4)His damage over time effects take me out of the cloak in 1 second. Or something does. Maybe invit pot + hit idk. I reapply cloak to get away but he blinks into me stunning me. Meanwhile I'm still taking dmg cuz of dots and his abilities.

5)I try to self heal to survive, I die.

Probably an oversimplification, but basically this. I dont know how I can counter this. No matter where I run with spring or not, cloak or not, they can always catch/stun me with one or multiple blink/stuns that they do. I got "wyrd tree" set just so I can get some dispells against sorcs that reapply every 7.5 secs for 30 seconds. I'm trying out a damage over time build against his shields. Idk.

Edit: I know its probably a l2p issue, and thats why I'm here. Teach me please

Edit 2: I dont think I'm doing bad, but maybe I am because all my damage is pad damage and useless?

Are you using merciless resolve? NB nuke skill is merciless resolve. If you shot off that after lethal arrow then go into poison injection, you might be able to kill them. Also using NB fear skill to prevent them from re-applying the shield would help.

There nothing to do with spectral bow, you get no chance if NB can not kill sorc by burst damage, in most case, you can’t, once the sorc survives your burst damage and re shields, the toughest thing for NB is how to survival under sorc’s streak and detect pot, the NB need investigating on defend set or there no chance run away

Magicka NB is better because you can continually use cloak. The only NB I use now is my Magicka NB.
And you need to cast a shadow skill to keep major resolve buff up because that's how the passive works.
If you could cloak as much as you want to you could easily gain 5 stacks for merciless resolve.
But if you're Magicka and want to be ranged, you might as well use a lightning destruction staff.

It's funny, but I use Sheer Venom and swamp raider set on my bow Arcanist with Lethal arrow and poison injection. Except instead of cloak I have a massive magic shield called impervious runeward.

I actually went for sheer venom and swamp raider, it was very fun!

Yeah I hear magicla NBs are actually better. But not for me. I dont want a staff, I like bows and only bows, in every game thats possible, good or bad I'll make it work.

Technically it's not impossible to use bow with Magicka NB, but you would probably have to trade lethal arrow for swallow soul, but keep poison injection.
Hybridization is not impossible, even encouraged Just make sure your spammable is your main resource. Class skills can be used with any weapon regardless of if they're Magicka or stamina, it doesn't matter. The weapon only determines which resource your heavy attacks regenerate. You should use the merciless resolve morph instead of the relentless focus morph. Merciless resolve does more damage.
Any damage type will scale off whatever is higher your weapon or spell damage, it doesn't matter that merciless resolve is magic damage.

Templar gets a passive minor sorcery so that means Templars max spell damage is used for any weapon it uses. It basically uses spell damage to swing a heavy 2 handed great axe.

My Magicka NB is dual wield and uses shrouded daggers for major brutality even though it's stamina. Concealed weapon as spammable and impale for an execute.

Unless you really need a ranged execute power extraction is BiS

lol, yeah, I saw execute lol, but that makes more sense (the interruption), I guess it's something.

Ren_TheRedFox

Has anyone actually addressed the issue with the "Jerall Mountains Warchief" monster set? People can easily use that monster set on a sorc with a DoT and won't suffer from it's 15% healing debuff cause it doesn't apply to shields. Would be nice if they'd update that one with a shield debuff too.

Bushido2513

Ren_TheRedFox wrote: »

Has anyone actually addressed the issue with the "Jerall Mountains Warchief" monster set? People can easily use that monster set on a sorc with a DoT and won't suffer from it's 15% healing debuff cause it doesn't apply to shields. Would be nice if they'd update that one with a shield debuff too.

It's not really much of an issue because shield with less healing will still end up in a death because you still need to replace the health under the shield at a fast enough rate.

So at most you're just going to need a timely stun to stop the warding and then enough damage or an execute and it should work out similar to someone not using a shield.

Major_Mangle

Ren_TheRedFox wrote: »

Has anyone actually addressed the issue with the "Jerall Mountains Warchief" monster set? People can easily use that monster set on a sorc with a DoT and won't suffer from it's 15% healing debuff cause it doesn't apply to shields. Would be nice if they'd update that one with a shield debuff too.

Jerall on it´s own is a super problematic set that benefit shield users way more than any other playstyle. There are very good reasons why it´s the to-go-set for arcanists. I personally don´t think the set should exist in the first place, but if it is here to stay it needs at least the following changes:
1. Needs to affect shields as well. If defiles affect shield size it makes 0 sense why Jerall shouldn´t do the same.
2. The heal debuff needs to be more of a kiss-curse in it´s design and affect the user as much as the target (35% for both)

I would also like to see the set have similar design as the current Warrior´s Fury set, where it goes on a cooldown after reaching max stacks. After the duration is over the target can´t be affected by jerall for X amount of time (preferable 2 minutes or something seeing how long it takes to build up Jerall).

LittlePinkDot

Navaac223 wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Johaylons wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

bladenick wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Johaylons wrote: »

Nb player here. I dont have access to DLCs so I cant make anthelmir + tarnished. I'm currently runing a bow build(I love bows in every game its availible) with sheer venom and ring of the wild hunt for escape/mobility. I play battlegrounds. Whenever I meet a good sorc, the fight goes like this:

1)I open up with lethal arrow + LA + poison injection. This takes about 25% of his shields.

2)He rushes towards me doing his dmg stuff. While he is doing that, I'm moving diagonally back while still hitting him.

3)At this point I'm about 50% hp and his shields are finally down, he reapplies them and I go backbar to heal + cloak so I can run away and reangege.

4)His damage over time effects take me out of the cloak in 1 second. Or something does. Maybe invit pot + hit idk. I reapply cloak to get away but he blinks into me stunning me. Meanwhile I'm still taking dmg cuz of dots and his abilities.

5)I try to self heal to survive, I die.

Probably an oversimplification, but basically this. I dont know how I can counter this. No matter where I run with spring or not, cloak or not, they can always catch/stun me with one or multiple blink/stuns that they do. I got "wyrd tree" set just so I can get some dispells against sorcs that reapply every 7.5 secs for 30 seconds. I'm trying out a damage over time build against his shields. Idk.

Edit: I know its probably a l2p issue, and thats why I'm here. Teach me please

Edit 2: I dont think I'm doing bad, but maybe I am because all my damage is pad damage and useless?

Are you using merciless resolve? NB nuke skill is merciless resolve. If you shot off that after lethal arrow then go into poison injection, you might be able to kill them. Also using NB fear skill to prevent them from re-applying the shield would help.

There nothing to do with spectral bow, you get no chance if NB can not kill sorc by burst damage, in most case, you can’t, once the sorc survives your burst damage and re shields, the toughest thing for NB is how to survival under sorc’s streak and detect pot, the NB need investigating on defend set or there no chance run away

Magicka NB is better because you can continually use cloak. The only NB I use now is my Magicka NB.
And you need to cast a shadow skill to keep major resolve buff up because that's how the passive works.
If you could cloak as much as you want to you could easily gain 5 stacks for merciless resolve.
But if you're Magicka and want to be ranged, you might as well use a lightning destruction staff.

It's funny, but I use Sheer Venom and swamp raider set on my bow Arcanist with Lethal arrow and poison injection. Except instead of cloak I have a massive magic shield called impervious runeward.

I actually went for sheer venom and swamp raider, it was very fun!

Yeah I hear magicla NBs are actually better. But not for me. I dont want a staff, I like bows and only bows, in every game thats possible, good or bad I'll make it work.

Technically it's not impossible to use bow with Magicka NB, but you would probably have to trade lethal arrow for swallow soul, but keep poison injection.
Hybridization is not impossible, even encouraged Just make sure your spammable is your main resource. Class skills can be used with any weapon regardless of if they're Magicka or stamina, it doesn't matter. The weapon only determines which resource your heavy attacks regenerate. You should use the merciless resolve morph instead of the relentless focus morph. Merciless resolve does more damage.
Any damage type will scale off whatever is higher your weapon or spell damage, it doesn't matter that merciless resolve is magic damage.

Templar gets a passive minor sorcery so that means Templars max spell damage is used for any weapon it uses. It basically uses spell damage to swing a heavy 2 handed great axe.

My Magicka NB is dual wield and uses shrouded daggers for major brutality even though it's stamina. Concealed weapon as spammable and impale for an execute.

Why shrouded daggers ? Isn't it the worst source of major brutality (ok maybe behind skeletal archer now xD). You have access to one of the best skills for that : power extraction. Unless you really need a ranged execute power extraction is BiS

I find it easier to hit people with shrouded daggers rather than power extraction. You only get major brutality from power extraction if you can actually hit a target.
I like ranged skills better. If it wasn't for cloak people would just avoid my concealed weapon.
If concealed weapon were ranged too I wouldn't even use dual wield, I would just use bow. But NB's highest damage spammable is melee.
It's easier to pick off people running away from you with shrouded daggers into impale. Nobody even sees shrouded daggers, so they never block it.

xylena_lazarow

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Try the new soul burst, burst heal with sages remedy HoT and whatever affix script you want, I like major courage.

Soul Burst is definitely underrated, been running Healing Burst on my DK for cross healing, group purge, and minor speed. DK and StamSorc play similarly to Arc as a DD but are much better at it, and the utility from Scribing solves their deficiencies. The only competitive reason to play PvP Arc now is its support kit, even Necro is a more threatening DD.

Ren_TheRedFox

Not gonna lie, the current sorc and nb meta just makes the game unplayable.... Literally every other person you see is a sorc using the same setup and skills. They talk about “class identity” etc, but nerf other classes and their skills to the ground to make one or two classes overpowered, and then wonder why no one wants to play the game anymore, or just those two classes. 75% of the battlefield population is on a sorc that spams shields and uses that spammable scribe skill that is way too overpowered and they're almost unkillable. And don't get me wrong, but if you die on a sorc in a 1v1 against another class then it could be a skill issue, given the fact that they have the easiest rotation .... It's sad how the game has developed ... at this point it doesn't take much skill to claim to be a “good player” if you play sorc or nb ... seriously just sad and given the fact that they get buffed with every patch makes it even worse.

Bushido2513

Major_Mangle wrote: »

Ren_TheRedFox wrote: »

Has anyone actually addressed the issue with the "Jerall Mountains Warchief" monster set? People can easily use that monster set on a sorc with a DoT and won't suffer from it's 15% healing debuff cause it doesn't apply to shields. Would be nice if they'd update that one with a shield debuff too.

Jerall on it´s own is a super problematic set that benefit shield users way more than any other playstyle. There are very good reasons why it´s the to-go-set for arcanists. I personally don´t think the set should exist in the first place, but if it is here to stay it needs at least the following changes:
1. Needs to affect shields as well. If defiles affect shield size it makes 0 sense why Jerall shouldn´t do the same.
2. The heal debuff needs to be more of a kiss-curse in it´s design and affect the user as much as the target (35% for both)

I would also like to see the set have similar design as the current Warrior´s Fury set, where it goes on a cooldown after reaching max stacks. After the duration is over the target can´t be affected by jerall for X amount of time (preferable 2 minutes or something seeing how long it takes to build up Jerall).

I do wonder though what about the factor where some sets just work better in combination with certain classes or skills? Should sets that work better for a warden or NB be nerfed because they don't work as well with other classes?

Also we can't forget that they are giving up a damaging two piece to make a build that favors wearing the enemy down and killing them because they don't notice their healing has been affected.

I don't even think about this set much to be honest but if I start to notice my healing is busted then I back off and change tactics. I maybe could see a cool down but I think if you've been in combat with someone for 15 seconds or more and notice they aren't hurting and you are that it's time to back off and consider bursting them in another way or understanding if it is jerall you need to give it 5 seconds to lose stacks and burst them another way if you can or move on.

Ren_TheRedFox

@Bushido2513 that monster set is just a must-have on sorcs and arcanist in my opinion this patch ... combine it with major and minor defile and u get another 18% healing debuff and the 15% for urself can be mitigated by minor and major vitality easily since everyone has access to it now thanks to scribing. Plus using degeneration will trigger the monster set and will heal you so it's a win situation for the user in every way.

Jsmalls

@Ren_TheRedFox

This is a dueling set (in my opinion). Need to swap quickly between targets in Open World and it takes time to build up the stacks for the debuff.

But there are also A LOT of dueling setups that are cancer so.

Bushido2513

Jsmalls wrote: »

@Ren_TheRedFox

This is a dueling set (in my opinion). Need to swap quickly between targets in Open World and it takes time to build up the stacks for the debuff.

But there are also A LOT of dueling setups that are cancer so.

@Jsmalls
@Ren_TheRedFox

I would have to agree. 1v1 is where this brings the most threat but yeah the game is full of setups like this that don't do as well in larger flights even though yes you can target someone with it but that's an expected thing.

You add in multiple targets and off heals and the value tends to drop.

Also so many have access to vitality and mending that it's probably honestly just going to be near breaking even against a shield user. And granted if you're like me and likely not using those you need to know when to back off and come at the target another way.

Yes they can dot you and still be able to build stacks even if you run by NB can cloak away for 5 seconds and come with burst, plar can purge and heal through it while going offensive and sorc can just get distance and use shields then maybe switch to overload, Warden can purge and heal through it, and so on.

Not saying I can't see a situation where a player gets killed by this set but just pointing out various forms of counter play.

LittlePinkDot

Ren_TheRedFox wrote: »

@Bushido2513 that monster set is just a must-have on sorcs and arcanist in my opinion this patch ... combine it with major and minor defile and u get another 18% healing debuff and the 15% for urself can be mitigated by minor and major vitality easily since everyone has access to it now thanks to scribing. Plus using degeneration will trigger the monster set and will heal you so it's a win situation for the user in every way.

Thanks! I was wondering what to do with my sorc, now I know.

However I would never use the monster set on my Arcanist, their healing sucks too much for that.

Ren_TheRedFox

@Bushido2513 I don't quite agree with that. I know in open world like Cyro this monster set obviously wouldn't be the first choice, but in battlegrounds or IC this monster set can be living hell for people, even if you fight 4 people with it the amount of the healing debuff is insane. Yes, a purge will remove the DoT, but given that it's a DoT meta now, it shouldn't be too hard to keep the stacks up. I hate to admit it too, but like I said, probably more than 75% of the BG population currently plays a Sorc or Nightblade. Neither class has access to a purge unless they have a Templar in their party, so they can't purge those DoTs as quickly. I'm playing a warden right now and if someone puts a DoT on me, it takes me forever to purge it, even with my Betty Netch. What I'm saying is that this monster set needs to apply to shields as well. It's not fair to other classes that don't have a broken shield, such as the Sorc or Arcanist (to be fair, the Arcanist needs max HP for their shields, so they don't hit as hard as a Sorc, considering they don't have as much Magicka or Stamina as they do) and they shouldn't “suffer” from this 15% disadvantage more than they do. Because in any scenario, the Sorc or Arcanist can just shield and heal while the enemy just destroys their shield in the meantime and they heal up to 100%.

Bushido2513

Ren_TheRedFox wrote: »

@Bushido2513 I don't quite agree with that. I know in open world like Cyro this monster set obviously wouldn't be the first choice, but in battlegrounds or IC this monster set can be living hell for people, even if you fight 4 people with it the amount of the healing debuff is insane. Yes, a purge will remove the DoT, but given that it's a DoT meta now, it shouldn't be too hard to keep the stacks up. I hate to admit it too, but like I said, probably more than 75% of the BG population currently plays a Sorc or Nightblade. Neither class has access to a purge unless they have a Templar in their party, so they can't purge those DoTs as quickly. I'm playing a warden right now and if someone puts a DoT on me, it takes me forever to purge it, even with my Betty Netch. What I'm saying is that this monster set needs to apply to shields as well. It's not fair to other classes that don't have a broken shield, such as the Sorc or Arcanist (to be fair, the Arcanist needs max HP for their shields, so they don't hit as hard as a Sorc, considering they don't have as much Magicka or Stamina as they do) and they shouldn't “suffer” from this 15% disadvantage more than they do. Because in any scenario, the Sorc or Arcanist can just shield and heal while the enemy just destroys their shield in the meantime and they heal up to 100%.

True it's going to come down to setting in some cases. But if we're talking bgs or ic then you have to allow for the tarnished and general burst factor.

Like if you say fight 4 people I can say that even with full healing surviving a NB proc setup or ill timed radiant is trouble so if my own healing was compromised I'm probably just dead.

The best case scenario is really getting someone off to the side in a 1v1 that doesn't understand to back off if they don't have the offensive to put you on the defensive or just playing against a group that doesn't defend themselves well.

But I play more average shields do let me say that this will affect me more and in a fair way. If we're talking sorc with min maxed crazy shields and heal then I'll say the shield and heal need to be fixed there. If we fix that then you don't really have to change anything because honestly arc has low damage to get big shields and you can just pretty much work around them and if they do have damage they usually take damage so problem solved there too I'd say.

Ren_TheRedFox

@Bushido2513 I don't know anymore tbh ... sorcs are just busted in any aspect these days ... it doesn't matter how tanky u are they'll eat through your resistances ... it doesn't matter if you're ranged or melee ... they'll streak in and out and frag u to death ... and all u can do is just hope that the server stability will allow u to break free and maybe use some skill to counter otherwise I wouldn't even engage anymore ...

Aces-High-82

Ren_TheRedFox wrote: »

@Bushido2513 I don't quite agree with that. I know in open world like Cyro this monster set obviously wouldn't be the first choice, but in battlegrounds or IC this monster set can be living hell for people, even if you fight 4 people with it the amount of the healing debuff is insane. Yes, a purge will remove the DoT, but given that it's a DoT meta now, it shouldn't be too hard to keep the stacks up. I hate to admit it too, but like I said, probably more than 75% of the BG population currently plays a Sorc or Nightblade. Neither class has access to a purge unless they have a Templar in their party, so they can't purge those DoTs as quickly. I'm playing a warden right now and if someone puts a DoT on me, it takes me forever to purge it, even with my Betty Netch. What I'm saying is that this monster set needs to apply to shields as well. It's not fair to other classes that don't have a broken shield, such as the Sorc or Arcanist (to be fair, the Arcanist needs max HP for their shields, so they don't hit as hard as a Sorc, considering they don't have as much Magicka or Stamina as they do) and they shouldn't “suffer” from this 15% disadvantage more than they do. Because in any scenario, the Sorc or Arcanist can just shield and heal while the enemy just destroys their shield in the meantime and they heal up to 100%.

It takes exactly one single gdc to remove a dot on warden . Recast Betty .....or has this feature been changed recently?

StaticWave

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

OP sounds like they want to delete the sorc class. I have 39k mag in cyrodiil, and my ward is 10k. Pls don't nerf.



I've never tried pushing max mag. How much mag do you need for a 20k ward? Be interesting to see how it scales. I hope just adding 10k more magicka doesn't double the ward size. That would be silly.

I don't know why the ward was given a heal. I don't need it because I can't drop dark conversion or healing contingency, so it doesn't save me bar space. It was fine before imo. It's not even useful in pve because crit surge. Can't understand the thinking behind the change.

MarioMario wrote: »

The sorcerers are the least impacted because when they shield below 15% health, they have a whole shield pool that benefits from undeath.

That doesn't sound intended. Or maybe it does idk.

In U41 and U42 I've tested magsorc without Vamp 3 against several high pressure builds and I could still survive up to 7k DPS. Magsorc with high max mag is THAT tanky.

Here's a simple meta magsorc build everyone can throw on and be very very tanky:




29k HP, 61k mag, 20k stam, 4.4k spell damage, 2k mag recovery and 1.8k stam recovery. The empty slot is for Wield Soul with Major Vitality.

In this build you are technically very squishy, but you are also very tanky because at 61k max mag with Bastion + Major Vitality, your shield size is going to reach upwards of 18k. Since you're in 5 light, not vamp, and you have almost 2k mag regen, you're going to never run out of sustain spamming Ward because it only costs 3.6k lol.

You will also deal very respectable damage. Curse has a 18.7k tooltip in this setup, and cFrag has a 15.5k base (which is 25.5k when procced). You won't be able to kill the tankier players as easily but you're going to kill 99% of the player base.

Only 2 classes in the game can run full damage (magsorc and nb), and only 1 class in the game can run full damage and be as tanky as a regular build (magsorc).

Ren_TheRedFox

@Aces-High-82 one negative effect every 5 seconds ... and even if u spam it and it removes 1 effect ... good luck spamming betty netch while someone is attacking you

Durham

Why does no one ever talk about Crit healing! Nightblade crit healing is unreal. Forget Sorcs lol 50% of PVP is Night blades. They literally have everything in their kit they do not even have to buff really the buffs all come with the abilities lol!

Class Rankings
1. Night Blades - Ability to reset the fight/ Amazing healing/ Speed!/ Best burst in the game!/Amazing resource management
2. Sorc's - Ability to reset the fight/ Amazing mitgation (Shields) / Speed (Streak) Good Burst / Amazing resource managment.
3. Average players- playing Sorcs or Night blades
4 Really the rest depend on the players more than classes
5. Bad players playing Sorcs and Nightblades
6. Bad players playing anything else

Navaac223

Durham wrote: »

Why does no one ever talk about Crit healing! Nightblade crit healing is unreal. Forget Sorcs lol 50% of PVP is Night blades. They literally have everything in their kit they do not even have to buff really the buffs all come with the abilities lol!

Class Rankings
1. Night Blades - Ability to reset the fight/ Amazing healing/ Speed!/ Best burst in the game!/Amazing resource management
2. Sorc's - Ability to reset the fight/ Amazing mitgation (Shields) / Speed (Streak) Good Burst / Amazing resource managment.
3. Average players- playing Sorcs or Night blades
4 Really the rest depend on the players more than classes
5. Bad players playing Sorcs and Nightblades
6. Bad players playing anything else

Ah yes, "but other class more op". Yes, nb is very strong and we all agree that they are roughly at the same level as magsorcs. It just means both need a nerf. (Btw almost everything you said about nb can be and has been said about magsorc)

Ren_TheRedFox

@Durham the difference between nbs and sorcs is that the nb does not have a shield that protects them from death ... yes nbs hit extremely hard but for the price of being squishy whereas sorcs can be squishy but they can protect themselves with their shields ... nb crits are crazy l agree with that but at least you have a chance to take them down if you get them out of stealth... I have 20k penetration with over 6k spell damage in battlegrounds and I can't break a sorc shield even with high pressure and DoTs ... I need a second person to take them out, and that's pathetic, especially when you also have major and minor breech on them.

The difference between nightblades and sorcs is that you can take them down even if they critically heal.
Here is the scenario you fight a night blade and you bring them down to 10% hp. They have two options to survive.

1. you stealth and heal up
2. they keep fighting and hope they can finish you off before you kill them.
But in both scenarios, you have a chance to kill them if you're lucky. If you're fighting a sorc, the whole situation is different.

1. the sorc will streak through you to grant themselves the damage shield and heal themselves, putting further pressure on you
2. the sorc will run away and come back when they're back to full HP.
It doesn't matter how much pressure you put on that person, as the 20k shield is a lifesaver and is almost impossible to overcome in a 1v1.

So to summarize, I would say that of course both classes are OP, but the sorc is stronger and has a joker up his sleeve, while nightblades require a bit more skill .... But honestly ... in this current patch it's hard to find good players because most people just hide behind the meta with similar builds to put in little effort to secure the kills and it's not hard to play the meta.

Bushido2513

Ren_TheRedFox wrote: »

@Durham the difference between nbs and sorcs is that the nb does not have a shield that protects them from death ... yes nbs hit extremely hard but for the price of being squishy whereas sorcs can be squishy but they can protect themselves with their shields ... nb crits are crazy l agree with that but at least you have a chance to take them down if you get them out of stealth... I have 20k penetration with over 6k spell damage in battlegrounds and I can't break a sorc shield even with high pressure and DoTs ... I need a second person to take them out, and that's pathetic, especially when you also have major and minor breech on them.

The difference between nightblades and sorcs is that you can take them down even if they critically heal.
Here is the scenario you fight a night blade and you bring them down to 10% hp. They have two options to survive.

1. you stealth and heal up
2. they keep fighting and hope they can finish you off before you kill them.
But in both scenarios, you have a chance to kill them if you're lucky. If you're fighting a sorc, the whole situation is different.

1. the sorc will streak through you to grant themselves the damage shield and heal themselves, putting further pressure on you
2. the sorc will run away and come back when they're back to full HP.
It doesn't matter how much pressure you put on that person, as the 20k shield is a lifesaver and is almost impossible to overcome in a 1v1.

So to summarize, I would say that of course both classes are OP, but the sorc is stronger and has a joker up his sleeve, while nightblades require a bit more skill .... But honestly ... in this current patch it's hard to find good players because most people just hide behind the meta with similar builds to put in little effort to secure the kills and it's not hard to play the meta.

I think which is better is always situational. Take player skill and build out of the picture and I'm pretty sure it's a stalemate. Sorc is just currently easier to play defensively but again that goes back to skill and that could be considered better but I'm sure someone that only plays snipe with tarnished may feel invisible on demand or shade are better. When you take out skill as a factor both have high damage great defensive options and the ability to reset the fight on demand.

Any situation that can be described of one can be described on the other. It's just going to come down to a different delivery mechanism.

Ren_TheRedFox

@Bushido2513 well this is just my opinion on it but if you take the player skill and build out of the picture I think making a mistake on a sorc is less punishing than on a nb cause the shield does not only "save" you for the mistake you made but also heals you. A nightblade gets punished worse in that kind of a situation given the fact that they can be easily put out of stealth and sometimes your burst heal goes to someone else (hate it when that happens) which pretty much ends up getting you killed. Overall though ... both classes are just too strong ... one of them has a crazy amount of crit damage and heals and the other one is too tanky and has an immense damage output for so little health.
Also, you have to keep in mind both classes have crazy sustain and overpowered skills like “bound aegis” which not only gives you minor resolve and protection, but also the 8% magicka (and those 3 without even casting the skill) and the block mitigation. This skill is the most broken skill I've seen in this game besides hardened ward.... 2 minor buffs and 2 bonuses for practically no cost. The same goes for siphoning attacks. You don't have to cast the skill, but you get 200 Magicka and Stamina and 1250 Health back for literally no cost other than making an easy attack ... and if you need even more resources then you can sacrifice a bit of hp to get ten times more of both back.

CameraBeardThePirate

I built a meta sorc yesterday. I have maybe 5 hours of PvP experience on a sorc, and was going ~15-0 in almost every BG match. In just 2 hours of playing I got no less than 3 different hate tells from different players, and I was doing nothing other than playing the game. The class is busted. Feels like cheating.