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Have you played your own Hardcore/One Life mode?

  • WhiteCoatSyndrome
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    No
    When I want that kind of gameplay experience I play Don’t Starve instead.
    #proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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  • emilyhyoyeon
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    No but I play in kind of a similar way when I'm rping/questing where I try to not let my characters die or do things that would for example break all 200 something of their bones like jumping off cliffs that they survive with 1% hp.
    IGN @ emilypumpkin
    Tullanisse Starborne altmer battlemage & scholar of the ayleids
    Qa'Rirra khajiit assassin & dancer
    Seliwequen Narilata altmer necromancer & debaucher
  • Grizzbeorn
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    No, I'm not able to do that.

    I get attached to all of my characters in a very short time. It's like I can't help it.
    But that's probably because I put significant time into deciding what their personality and other attributes will be before I create them.
    During that process they become more than just "characters," they become partners.
    I don't formally RP, but all of my characters have at least a rudimentary backstory before they land in-game for the first time.
    And if I don't get something right, I know it within a short few levels/time playing, and will delete and re-create until I do.

    My two Khajiit characters (one male, one female) are good examples. It has taken me years to get a Khajiit character right (to my liking), and I just recently accomplished it. It's a double win, in the sense that my male cat is the first male character (of any race) that I've been happy with.

    Edited by Grizzbeorn on 28 March 2024 13:22
      PC/NA Warden Main
    • Maitsukas
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      Good luck getting a trifecta in trials that way.
      PC-EU @maitsukas

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    • Varana
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      No
      I don't even understand the appeal of this in other games that offer the option natively.
      Part of a hard fight in a video game is the cycle of failing - adapting - failing - adapting - [ ... ] - succeeding.
      Can't really do that with permadeath.
    • ghastley
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      No
      All that does is add the grind of building the character to every death, instead of just learning from the mistake and repeating the task where you failed.

      I suspect this only appeals to those who can’t learn.
    • Artim_X
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      No
      Sounds like a waste of time for a game that isn't designed to be a rougelike especially with the variety of ways one can die in this game (bugged out mechanic, slaughter fish, fall damage, vet content, etc.).

      If someone deleted their character every time they died, I doubt they would be able to reach the content that sparks joy for them before inevitably quitting.
      (AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanist
      Electric-Stun
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      • Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
      • Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
      • Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
      • Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
        Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
      Electric-Pets
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      • Stress free one bar pet build .
      • Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
      • Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
      Electric-Heal
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      • My Healer Build.
      • Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
      • Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
      • Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
      Electric-Ward
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      • My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
      • Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
      • Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
      • Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
      Electric-Vamp
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      • Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
      • Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
      • Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
      • Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
      Dawnfang
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      • My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
      • Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
      • Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
      Duskfang
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      • Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
      • Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
      • Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
      Eye of the Queen
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      • My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
      • Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
      • Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
      Eye of the King
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      • Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
      • Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
      • Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
      PvE Starter Gear
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      • Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
      • Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
      Race
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      • High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
      Mundus Stones
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      • PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
      • PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
      • PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
      Current Champion Points
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      • DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
      • Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
      • Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
      • PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
      • PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
      Favorite Foods and Potions
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      • Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
      • Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
      • Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
      • Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
    • Blood_again
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      No
      Not in this game.

      Challenges like no-death run for arenas, dungeons and trials are cool. But it would be too much time consuming for nodeath the whole character lifetime.

      Also there is too much random or group related things in ESO to have real fun of perma-death mode.
      Imagine a group of perma-death players who try to farm some trial gear. Who wants to be the most hatred tank or healer in the history of ESO? I guess that level of blaming would be unimaginable :)
    • freespirit
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      No
      As a person who frequently does stupid things..... like go make a cup of tea having just killed something, only to return to find a pile of ash where I was standig.

      I think I would rarely last more than a day!! 🤣
      When people say to me........
      "You're going to regret that in the morning"
      I sleep until midday cos I'm a problem solver!
    • MJallday
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      No
      Who’s going to tell the OP that you start off dead…
    • Necrotech_Master
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      No
      it really depends on the game lol

      like i enjoy quick action rogue likes, but those can get boring/frustrating if they are too hard to progress, or too difficult to make it that far

      for this kind of game, definitely not, though i still try to avoid dying
      plays PC/NA
      handle @Necrotech_Master
      active player since april 2014

      i have my main house (grand topal hideaway) listed in the housing tours, it has multiple target dummies, scribing altar, and grandmaster stations (in progress being filled out), as well as almost every antiquity furnishing on display to preview them

      feel free to stop by and use the facilities
    • Reverb
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      I personally haven’t but during Covid lockdown I watched my wife to a permadeath RP character. She started with regular clothes and a dagger and did the local Auridon quests the way the thought a townie would. No magic or class skills or anything like that.

      She had rules around equipping gear and stuff but I don’t remember them. She made it to level 30 something before she died and deleted.
      Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche
    • Danikat
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      No
      I've done it in other games, and thought about it in ESO but I haven't attempted it yet.

      If I ever do I think I'll add some additional rules, otherwise I'd be tempted to take the safe but boring path and level mainly/entirely through safe things like crafting and event quests which don't involve combat, which doesn't really feel like it's in the spirit of the challenge.

      At the same time I'd want to keep group activities to a minimum because I wouldn't want to cause problems for the rest of the group by having to be overly cautious (or have some troll try to get me killed).
      freespirit wrote: »
      As a person who frequently does stupid things..... like go make a cup of tea having just killed something, only to return to find a pile of ash where I was standig.

      I think I would rarely last more than a day!! 🤣

      That's part of what makes it fun for me when I've done it in other games, it's very different to how I normally play and forces me to think about things in a new way.
      PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!

      "Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"
    • Anifaas
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      No
      I'd love this mode but ESO is not stable enough for my liking to engage in such. Hardcore WoW on the other hand is amazing.
    • SeaGtGruff
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      SeaGtGruff wrote: »
      I will never understand how making things difficult for ourselves is supposed to be fun.

      Playing a game in a more challenging way can be fun, but it also depends on whether the person kniws what they're doing

      It has nothing to do with knowing what we're doing. I know how to do laundry but I wouldn't give up using my washer and dryer to beat my clothes on rocks in a stream just for the extra challenge.

      I enjoy my strong characters feeling like strong characters.

      What I meant was, if someone wants to make a game more challenging by playing it a certain way, it can be fun for them if they know what they're doing, but it can be very much un-fun if they don't actually know what they're doing. Whether their way of playing the game is fun to you, or to me, or to anyone else isn't really the point; all that matters is whether it's fun to them.
      I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!
    • katanagirl1
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      No
      Not my idea of fun.
      Khajiit Stamblade main
      Dark Elf Magsorc
      Redguard Stamina Dragonknight
      Orc Stamplar PVP
      Breton Magsorc PVP
      Dark Elf Necromancer
      Dark Elf Magden
      Khajiit Stamblade
      Khajiit Stamina Arcanist

      PS5 NA
    • GrizzlyTank
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      This game is too trivial outside of dungeons and world bosses to make hardcore interesting.

      Also hardcore in online games just begs you to get killed by the stupidest reasons such as lag.
    • jtm1018
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      No
      [Snip] even souls are not like that, sufferage for fun, hells no.

      [Edited for profanity bypass]
      Edited by ZOS_Volpe on 17 April 2024 15:20
    • Amottica
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      No
      Yes, I do this leveling to L50

      If the character dies, HE DIES

      Makes it a lot more fun.

      I have never found it to be challenging to level a character to 50.
      No because the Vestige is canonically immortal so that would be immersion breaking.

      Very good point.
    • Danikat
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      No
      SeaGtGruff wrote: »
      SeaGtGruff wrote: »
      I will never understand how making things difficult for ourselves is supposed to be fun.

      Playing a game in a more challenging way can be fun, but it also depends on whether the person kniws what they're doing

      It has nothing to do with knowing what we're doing. I know how to do laundry but I wouldn't give up using my washer and dryer to beat my clothes on rocks in a stream just for the extra challenge.

      I enjoy my strong characters feeling like strong characters.

      What I meant was, if someone wants to make a game more challenging by playing it a certain way, it can be fun for them if they know what they're doing, but it can be very much un-fun if they don't actually know what they're doing. Whether their way of playing the game is fun to you, or to me, or to anyone else isn't really the point; all that matters is whether it's fun to them.

      I agree with this, and one of the things I like about player-run challenges rather than official modes or achievements is it lets each person tailor it to their preferences and playstyle, but to do that you have to have a good understanding of both the game and how you like playing, to know what will work.

      I like attempting no-deaths runs in another MMO because (like ESO) dying is pretty trivial so my normal playstyle is very careless. According to my guild my catchphrase should be "Oops, there was a cliff back there". But I also like playing tactical RPGs where you have to plan each encounter, so having a character where I need to think more carefully about the risks I'm taking is a fun novelty for me.

      I also added a bunch of additional rules, because otherwise I could just do something like level by crafting with no risk and that wouldn't be fun or a challenge. Some are rules suggested by other people, but I get to pick and choose/invent ones which work for me.
      PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!

      "Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"
    • Anumaril
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      No
      No, but I'm definitely not against it. The issue for me would be that I only really play on one character, so making a new character like this isn't my slice of pie.

      But while I'm questing on my main I do regularly keep track of when I die, thinking things like "this is the first time I've died in this zone's questline", etc.
    • peacenote
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      No
      It's not my thing. I'm kind of glad I never had friends who were into MMO's that were as punishing as all that... I wouldn't have enjoyed it. But to each their own!
      My #1 wish for ESO Today: Decouple achievements from character progress and tracking.
      • Advocate for this HERE.
      • Want the history of this issue? It's HERE.
    • ElvenOverlord
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      No
      lol
    • Uvi_AUT
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      No
      No, because youre supposed to be immortal storywise.
      Registered since 2014, Customer Service lost my Forum-Account and can't find it.....
    • nathamarath
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      Yes
      Yes, but he fell from a cliff. Maybe it was better that way. I didn't try again after that.
      give a man a fish and he will be happy for a day. give him a video game and he will be happy for months, maybe even years
    • RaddlemanNumber7
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      No
      No, but I've played out a couple of similar character-deleting scenarios.

      My first few attempts at a "no kill" character got deleted the very first time they got any kind of kill count on their achievements.

      Played a narrated character with a short career story. She basically did CwC, DB and TG, then got deleted because it was the end of the story and I needed the slot to create a different character.
      PC EU
    • kojou
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      I would only do this if they gave a "hardcore" character a fully upgraded mount, and all the skill lines (kind of like a PTS character without the inventory). It would be too much of an investment to get all of this going only to lose it when you accidentally fall of a cliff in Wrothgar.
      Playing since beta...
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