U41 font?

Kavreiss

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

It is intended, yep. Here's the patch note for reference:

UI Font Rendering
The game now uses a new UI font rendering system. This allows for future improvements to the game and provides small enhancements in some specific situations, such as nameplates and chat bubbles.

Addon creators can find a new tool, slugfont.exe, in the game directory that allows them to update their use of custom fonts to be compatible with the new system. Addons that make use of custom fonts will instead use default fonts until they receive an update, and fonts included with the game will continue to work without requiring an update. Instructions are provided in slugfont_readme.txt.

We need fonts larger than size 24 which is the max size i have been able to adjust to in the settings. Well i dont personally but anyone playing at larger than 1920x1080 does need them. i'm lucky i can afford to play at 1080p. I wont need larger fonts but plenty of other players do. Especially on gamepad ui. people using gamepadui are clearly playing from their couch - like me - and need larger fonts for those higher res displays... 2k and 4k

Ephemerae

It honestly strains my eyes as well, even when I use my glasses. It comes off as very off and too sharp to the point I have trouble reading and comprehending it. Seems alright in the login and menu screen, but the font changes to the new one once I have logged in with a character.

code65536

Marronsuisse wrote: »

the magicka bar is especially hard to read now

That's actually a separate problem. Specifically, drop-shadows used to be blurred/softened with the old rendering engine, whereas the new one renders the shadow as sharply as the main text, which makes the shadows look a lot worse, and so in specific the case of the stat bars, that's the main cause of the readability issues.

Ekzorka

Sharped a text makes it hard to read.
None of the following screenshots uses any UI addons.
This is examples of how sharp shadow didn't help to separate a text and background:

The small font has lost its uniform thickness, which has made the letters less distinguishable:

Reading any book has now become a more difficult task:

Colored text (especially blue and violet) hard to read with bright blue selected bar:

Numbers on any bar are also hard to read because of sharp shadow:

Bonus

This is how the changes affect on cyrillic letters, before (left) and after (right). The new rendering reduced the distance between letters, make them higher and slightly reduced in size. This directly affects the speed of reading.

I use a full hd monitor (1920x1080) and its 27" is not enough to read any text smaller than large headings in menu. I hope that the text will regain its readability as soon as possible.

IncultaWolf

I don't like it, it's blurry

Marronsuisse

Here's another example, this one of chat... new shot on the bottom is a lot thinner, seems less aliased, and has (almost?) no drop shadow. Result is that it's a lot harder to read without selecting the chat window to get the black background.

I can foresee this being a problem for me in Cyrodiil or PvE pugs when I'm trying to glance at chat but don't necessarily have the time to stop and select the chat window.



I'm playing in windowed fullscreen btw, which doesn't let me choose the resolution but Windows is set at 1920x1080.

Edit: just want to clarify the font isn't bigger in the top pic, I just had the chat window stretched out wider.

Jaraal

Logged in like:



... but now I realize it's neither.

Ulvich

supersonic_kitten wrote: »

If someone can recommend some font addons it would be great. I didn't have any problem with the default font before, but after the update I noticed the the font has become extremely hard to read for me (I have vision related issues).

For me the issue is that it's extremely sharp and thin. 1920x1080p monitor.

I have been looking all over on several sites. Haven't found any yet.

Einar_Hrafnarsson

The new font makes my Chat really hard to read. Playing on 1080p.

Really strains and tires my eyes

LadyLavina

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code65536

@ZOS_GinaBruno So, after doing some Googling about the Slug font rendering library that you guys swapped to for U41 and how it differs, I wonder if it might be possible to have the things in the 2D space (UI and such) rendered using the old engine, while limiting Slug to just the stuff in the 3D space (nameplates, chat bubbles, etc.), since that's the kind of stuff that it seems more optimized for.

supersonic_kitten

Ulvich wrote: »

supersonic_kitten wrote: »

If someone can recommend some font addons it would be great. I didn't have any problem with the default font before, but after the update I noticed the the font has become extremely hard to read for me (I have vision related issues).

For me the issue is that it's extremely sharp and thin. 1920x1080p monitor.

I have been looking all over on several sites. Haven't found any yet.

pChat has font options so play around and see if it can help you at least with the in-game chat. I tried 3 fonts so far and even though they stilistically do not fit they are times more readable than the default font.

Jaimeh

Agree with others that chat is not easy to read right now. I'm on 1920x1080, and it looks a bit thin and non-substantial/fuzzy, I can't explain it very well, but it puts a strain on the eyes, compared to how it was before, especially against certain backdrops with low contrast:

ArchangelIsraphel

I'm having the same issues with reading the text as many others are here. The enhanced sharpness makes the text extremely difficult to look at. Even at 1440 it seems worse to me, for exactly the reasons @code65536 mentioned.

(By the way, Thank you @code65536 for always identifying technical problems. You detail them in a clear and concise manner that make it easy to communicate what the issues are to the devs.)

I use 1440 at home with my rig, but I have a 1920x1080 laptop that I use for on the go gaming. Both seem equally painful to look at right now.

As a side note- the text appearing thinner on things like lore books makes them very difficult to read, so much so that it almost seems as though the text is actively "vibrating" on my screen. This is in no small part due to how harsh the edges of the text appear to be. I'm actually experiencing eye pain, regardless of how I adjust the UI. Hopefully this can be fixed.

LadyLavina

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TheDink

Marronsuisse wrote: »

Here's another example, this one of chat... new shot on the bottom is a lot thinner, seems less aliased, and has (almost?) no drop shadow. Result is that it's a lot harder to read without selecting the chat window to get the black background.

I can foresee this being a problem for me in Cyrodiil or PvE pugs when I'm trying to glance at chat but don't necessarily have the time to stop and select the chat window.



I'm playing in windowed fullscreen btw, which doesn't let me choose the resolution but Windows is set at 1920x1080.

This is also exactly how it's like for me as well. I don't like it one bit. Surely there will be a way to revert back to the first picture?

LadyLavina

TheDink wrote: »

Marronsuisse wrote: »

Here's another example, this one of chat... new shot on the bottom is a lot thinner, seems less aliased, and has (almost?) no drop shadow. Result is that it's a lot harder to read without selecting the chat window to get the black background.

I can foresee this being a problem for me in Cyrodiil or PvE pugs when I'm trying to glance at chat but don't necessarily have the time to stop and select the chat window.



I'm playing in windowed fullscreen btw, which doesn't let me choose the resolution but Windows is set at 1920x1080.

This is also exactly how it's like for me as well. I don't like it one bit. Surely there will be a way to revert back to the first picture?

One can only hope. It extends beyond chat , but that's where it is most visible

notyuu

whatever the heck zos did to the font it has rendered it woefully unplesant to read to the point of being literally painful if your eyes are tired

@ZOS_Kevin any word on getting this reverted?

emilyhyoyeon

(perspective of vanilla UI)
the blue/green name text above characters/NPCs is a lot clearer now, for me. It's actually a really really nice improvement. But that's the only clearer text from this update that I can see. I don't have a pre update comparison though

DinoZavr

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_Kevin

Dear @ZOS, can i, please, opt for the old font rendering in the game options?
My screen has turned into an unreadable garbage with the update 41.
Very disappointing.

LadyLavina

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Eaddok

All text become blurry for me, especially noticible in chat window and descriptions on items, abilities etc. Playing in native fullscreen, tried to switch between window and other resolutions, nothing changed. It's really hard to read how it is right now. Looks like if broken printer printed it.

tsaescishoeshiner

The new font UI is noticeably harder to read for me, and it was on PTS, as well. The letters don't appear to have as much of a consistent thickness and brightness. Good anti-aliasing helps the eye make this illusion to the reader, and it feels different when your brain has more work to do. (I think a small amount of that is adjusting to the change).

It's the kind of thing over time that can subtly lead to a bit of visual strain.

Marto

The new font is unpleasant and blurry, and changing the UI scaling doesn't seem to help a lot. I'm playing on 1080p.

Like others described before, it really feels like a font hinting issue. I think we'd all appreciate it if you could give it another look and improve the sharpness and clarity.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

agen.fi wrote: »

Survey maps have changed font too

Marronsuisse wrote: »

Here's another example, this one of chat... new shot on the bottom is a lot thinner, seems less aliased, and has (almost?) no drop shadow. Result is that it's a lot harder to read without selecting the chat window to get the black background.

I can foresee this being a problem for me in Cyrodiil or PvE pugs when I'm trying to glance at chat but don't necessarily have the time to stop and select the chat window.

I'm playing in windowed fullscreen btw, which doesn't let me choose the resolution but Windows is set at 1920x1080.

Edit: just want to clarify the font isn't bigger in the top pic, I just had the chat window stretched out wider.

Great, even more eye strain. All the light and saturation isn't enough, I'll have to strain my eyes to read text too.

DinoZavr

Readability of text became seriously worse
even after i have increased UI Scale



Please, revert this new feature, or, at least, make it optional

LadyLavina

Marto wrote: »

The new font is unpleasant and blurry, and changing the UI scaling doesn't seem to help a lot. I'm playing on 1080p.

Like others described before, it really feels like a font hinting issue. I think we'd all appreciate it if you could give it another look and improve the sharpness and clarity.

You're not wrong.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin Proof/Direct example outside of chat, if you need it.

LadyLavina

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DinoZavr

just to add a note: my friends and guildmates in Discord say it is OK for 1440p, but blurry for 1080p.
but, hey, my monitor is 2560x1080 in Full-Screen and i can not produce them fancy 1440p..
so, maybe, Developers could try the new feature on the resolutions players do use the most?
i am sure, game client collects and transfers information about players monitors to Zenimax.

LadyLavina

DinoZavr wrote: »

just to add a note: my friends and guildmates in Discord say it is OK for 1440p, but blurry for 1080p.
but, hey, my monitor is 2560x1080 in Full-Screen and i can not produce them fancy 1440p..
so, maybe, Developers could try the new feature on the resolutions players do use the most?
i am sure, game client collects and transfers information about players monitors to Zenimax.

If it matters, am using this MSI monitor. That's fairly standard/common resolution , so I have zero clue.

Surely the actual complaints we're speaking about aren't the intentional part of this change, ZOS?