nice event but poorly timed

Grizzbeorn · February 15

Sidewaves89 wrote: »

Why not make fix with reconstructing for 12 crystals and deconstructing for 12?

Because that would take longer to implement (and probably not as a hotfix, which would have meant server down-time) than just turning off the discount like they did.

Veryamedliel · February 15

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

Yeah ZoS going radio silent on this event after it was mentioned in the crown store showcase was a mistake.
They only mentioned the MYM event so many of us figured the crafters was cancelled.

They don't want us saving up stuff for the event though, cause some players like myself would do thousands of master writs during it.
Unfortunately I did most of my writs the last few weeks, netting about 40k vouchers.

If I had known about this event I could have gotten 80k, enough for another set of grand master stations.

This is the first time we were doing the event and was supposed to be a surprise event, which is why we waited to say anything. Also this benefits of the event will only apply to new writs generated during the event. So there would been no benefit to the stockpiling your writs.

Doesn't that make the event kinda pointless in that regard? I mean the master writ drop rate isn't something to write home about is it? So unless you have 20+ alts doing daily writs the odds that you can take advantage of this event in this way in only 4 days is, to put it nicely, nothing to get exited about.

If you want to prevent people using stored writs and abuse the event, set a limit of X writs per account per day. That way more people will be able to participate. It's probably not what people want, but it would be a fair compromise in my opinion. Of course, if you're going to have a 100% master writ drop rate for the next 5 days.. please disregard my alternative suggestion

BetweenMidgets · February 15

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

There was an issue with the transmute crystals. This issue has been resolved, so you should be good to participate now without fear of exploiting.

Will we still be able to reconstruct for half the cost, as the event states? Or is that part being removed?

Currently reconstructing gear costs the full amount.

Tyrant_Tim · February 15

There’s a great chance nobody is going to get sanctioned for doing this, as transmutes are used to reconstruct gear you’ve already collected.

If anything, for anyone worried about getting banned for this, just don’t make Nirncrux, that is what will flag your account, as you’re turning a system for gear convenience into a gold printing machine.

code65536 · February 15

@ZOS_Kevin The fix for the transmutes appear to simply disable the cost reduction outright. I think this is the wrong fix; there should've just been a 25-crystal price floor instead, so that everything that would normally cost 25 to 50 crystals will cost 25, and anything above 50 will be half off.

Tyrant_Tim · February 15

BetweenMidgets wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

There was an issue with the transmute crystals. This issue has been resolved, so you should be good to participate now without fear of exploiting.

Will we still be able to reconstruct for half the cost, as the event states? Or is that part being removed?

Currently reconstructing gear costs the full amount.

They removed that completely.

I would love to see an increase on transmutes earned from regular sources during the event for those of us that didn’t have the opportunity to take advantage of that part of the event.

Sidewaves89 · February 15

sarahthes wrote: »

Because then you just have to wait til the event is over to deconstruct.

Yet this is a part of event and in it's description. Why then ZOS would even include this feature in event?

Ilsabet · February 15

Is transmuting existing gear still discounted?

Tyrant_Tim · February 15

Ilsabet wrote: »

Is transmuting existing gear still discounted?

Yes, I would suggest avoiding use of that until there’s an answer to whether players will be banned for printing Nirncrux.

Necrotech_Master · February 15

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Ilsabet wrote: »

Is transmuting existing gear still discounted?

Yes, I would suggest avoiding use of that until there’s an answer to whether players will be banned for printing Nirncrux.

why would you get banned for that? its something you can do for now and your not exploiting anything (unlike the reconstruction discount where you could effectively produce transmutes instead of net zero or losing them)

Tyrant_Tim · February 15

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Ilsabet wrote: »

Is transmuting existing gear still discounted?

Yes, I would suggest avoiding use of that until there’s an answer to whether players will be banned for printing Nirncrux.

why would you get banned for that? its something you can do for now and your not exploiting anything (unlike the reconstruction discount where you could effectively produce transmutes instead of net zero or losing them)

Because there are still players with multiple thousands of transmutes sitting on already constructed gear.

When they start getting banned for printing Nirncrux, you could get wrapped up in it, that’s why I would suggest waiting until there’s more info.

ganzaeso · February 15

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

Yeah ZoS going radio silent on this event after it was mentioned in the crown store showcase was a mistake.
They only mentioned the MYM event so many of us figured the crafters was cancelled.

They don't want us saving up stuff for the event though, cause some players like myself would do thousands of master writs during it.
Unfortunately I did most of my writs the last few weeks, netting about 40k vouchers.

If I had known about this event I could have gotten 80k, enough for another set of grand master stations.

This is the first time we were doing the event and was supposed to be a surprise event, which is why we waited to say anything. Also this benefits of the event will only apply to new writs generated during the event. So there would been no benefit to the stockpiling your writs.

This is extremely poor communication. Some players relied on the information presented in the article for the event as it was printed and committed resource in game they would not otherwise have committed to completion of sealed writs that are more expensive to craft than the vouchers gained are worth.

What are these player to do?

Grizzbeorn · February 15

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Ilsabet wrote: »

Is transmuting existing gear still discounted?

Yes, I would suggest avoiding use of that until there’s an answer to whether players will be banned for printing Nirncrux.

why would you get banned for that? its something you can do for now and your not exploiting anything (unlike the reconstruction discount where you could effectively produce transmutes instead of net zero or losing them)

It's the production of those extra crystals that people were abusing to net more nirncrux.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8046533/#Comment_8046533

I_killed_Vivec · February 15

So how does it work?

To be honest I didn't think I'd be troubling the event manager, because I only came across a master writ on my sixth crafter, but I did get one!

It was a purple jewellery writ, for 55. Now that's approximately double the usual return, so is that how it's done?

Because I didn't get 110 when I turned it in, I got 55.

If it's marked up for the event then will it stay marked up forever? Or will it only have that value for the duration of the event?

And how can it be double when it's 55?

Events should make you feel good, but somehow - worse drop rate and ambiguous mark up - I feel cheated.

Destai · February 15

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

Yeah ZoS going radio silent on this event after it was mentioned in the crown store showcase was a mistake.
They only mentioned the MYM event so many of us figured the crafters was cancelled.

They don't want us saving up stuff for the event though, cause some players like myself would do thousands of master writs during it.
Unfortunately I did most of my writs the last few weeks, netting about 40k vouchers.

If I had known about this event I could have gotten 80k, enough for another set of grand master stations.

This is the first time we were doing the event and was supposed to be a surprise event, which is why we waited to say anything. Also this benefits of the event will only apply to new writs generated during the event. So there would been no benefit to the stockpiling your writs.

I appreciate the sentiment of having a surprise event, and thankful for what efforts were already put into this. But I think it's best to say something ahead of time. Clearly something isn't ironed out, which is fine, but it means that surprise events aren't viable on process level. I mean it took players >2 hours to find an issue with it.

Looking at all the related threads, there's already oodles of questions that need clarification. We've now had our 2nd event in a row where there were potential exploit issues that needed hotfixing. And the 2nd event in a row where ZOS made the judgement call to wait until the hotfix was deployed to say something. Players then have to tread carefully because your teams are making judgement calls that go against player sentiment. It's bad optics and it seems like it's creating some stress for a lot of people.

Having announcements gives us a sense of what the event is for, and what's not in scope for it. I feel like a lot of this should be obvious by now, so it's a bit frustrating to see issues with each event. It's not a personal fault, but I think there's some processes that could use some serious improvement. We all want to enjoy the event, and not have ambiguities and issues overshadow it. I understand you guys have teams that need to talk and that they can't always align, but if anything, that should show ZOS that a more deliberate pace is the right play. It'll make your lives easier.

AdiraLynn · February 15

Are we or aren't we getting a 50% cost reduction at the Transmute station to reconstruct. If the answer is no reduction, then please change the announcement in game. This is very frustrating!

Grizzbeorn · February 15

AdiraLynn wrote: »

Are we or aren't we getting a 50% cost reduction at the Transmute station to reconstruct.

No reduction in Reconstruction cost.

They turned the 50% discount off.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8046581/#Comment_8046581

Alinhbo_Tyaka · February 15

Veryamedliel wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

Yeah ZoS going radio silent on this event after it was mentioned in the crown store showcase was a mistake.
They only mentioned the MYM event so many of us figured the crafters was cancelled.

They don't want us saving up stuff for the event though, cause some players like myself would do thousands of master writs during it.
Unfortunately I did most of my writs the last few weeks, netting about 40k vouchers.

If I had known about this event I could have gotten 80k, enough for another set of grand master stations.

This is the first time we were doing the event and was supposed to be a surprise event, which is why we waited to say anything. Also this benefits of the event will only apply to new writs generated during the event. So there would been no benefit to the stockpiling your writs.

Doesn't that make the event kinda pointless in that regard? I mean the master writ drop rate isn't something to write home about is it? So unless you have 20+ alts doing daily writs the odds that you can take advantage of this event in this way in only 4 days is, to put it nicely, nothing to get exited about.

If you want to prevent people using stored writs and abuse the event, set a limit of X writs per account per day. That way more people will be able to participate. It's probably not what people want, but it would be a fair compromise in my opinion. Of course, if you're going to have a 100% master writ drop rate for the next 5 days.. please disregard my alternative suggestion

I'm not excited over the event. Since we are in-between event ticket events I usually log in for the daily reward and log out. The only change I have made due to the event is to do the daily crafting writs before logging off. If it follows the norm for me I might get one or two master writs out of this and they will likely be for a low number of writ vouchers when I'm already sitting on a couple thousand. I'd rather have had it tied to something that gave out event tickets since I actively use those.

ZOS_Kevin · February 15

Hi All, the article for the Crafter's Celebration is live. You can access it here. We also now have a thread open for this event here.

Estin · February 15

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Yeah, this possible bug with transmute crystals needs a response ASAP, @ZOS_Kevin .
I don't feel safe participating in the event until it gets addressed, officially, one way or another.
I'm not going to risk my account on the chance it's an intended behavior.

There was an issue with the transmute crystals. This issue has been resolved, so you should be good to participate now without fear of exploiting.

Is the 50% discount on reconstruction ever going to come back, or was it turned off and you called it a day? The in game banner still advertises the 50% discount on reconstruction, so you can imagine my disappointment when I headed to a transmute station and see that it's not working as advertised.

ZOS_Kevin · February 15

AdiraLynn wrote: »

Are we or aren't we getting a 50% cost reduction at the Transmute station to reconstruct. If the answer is no reduction, then please change the announcement in game. This is very frustrating!

Unfortunately, the announcement in-game is set in advance, so this will not be able to change before the end of the event. One of the side effects of having an event shift as the event goes live. We understand this is frustrating and confusing. We're taking this back to the team for their consideration in the future.

Necrotech_Master · February 15

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Ilsabet wrote: »

Is transmuting existing gear still discounted?

Yes, I would suggest avoiding use of that until there’s an answer to whether players will be banned for printing Nirncrux.

why would you get banned for that? its something you can do for now and your not exploiting anything (unlike the reconstruction discount where you could effectively produce transmutes instead of net zero or losing them)

It's the production of those extra crystals that people were abusing to net more nirncrux.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8046533/#Comment_8046533

well not something im worried about

i havent even logged into the game yet today (didnt know there was even an event going on until i saw the forum posts), so there is no way that i could even have any extra transmute crystals, and they already fixed the reconstruction exploit

if bans were going to happen, it would be to the people using the reconstruction exploit, not a legitimate use of the transmute station

wolfie1.0. · February 15

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Is that one splash screen that you only get the first time you log-in to the game after the event has started the only documentation we're going to get about this event?

No article?
No feedback thread?

@ZOS_Kevin

eta: oops. I only just now realized you can click on that little image of the event in the bottom left of the Character Selection screen and it will maximize it back to splash-screen size.
(the cursor doesn't react to it when you mouse-over it, which is why I never tried to click on it before.)

We are working on getting the article out now. We had an issue to work out with the event before getting the article out. Should have it ready soon.

Thank you. Also, while I appreciate the event, and the creativity around it. As a working professional and adult... it would have been nice to have some advance notice that this was going to happen.

ZOS_Kevin · February 15

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Thank you. Also, while I appreciate the event, and the creativity around it. As a working professional and adult... it would have been nice to have some advance notice that this was going to happen.

Totally understand that sentiment and will pass that along. The event was intended to be a surprise for players, but understand the want for an advance notice.

Grizzbeorn · February 15

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

AdiraLynn wrote: »

Are we or aren't we getting a 50% cost reduction at the Transmute station to reconstruct. If the answer is no reduction, then please change the announcement in game. This is very frustrating!

Unfortunately, the announcement in-game is set in advance, so this will not be able to change before the end of the event. One of the side effects of having an event shift as the event goes live. We understand this is frustrating and confusing. We're taking this back to the team for their consideration in the future.

Since you can't change it during the event, can you just remove the in-game announcement, since it displays now-incorrect info, which will probably be complained about for the duration of the event if it is left up.

We didn't always have that in-game active-event banner, so going without it in this instance (if it is possible to take it down) wouldn't be a huge handicap for a short event, especially since it's... um... wrong.

edit: typo.

Kavreiss · February 15

quote="jad11mumbler;c-8046385"]Yeah ZoS going radio silent on this event after it was mentioned in the crown store showcase was a mistake.
They only mentioned the MYM event so many of us figured the crafters was cancelled.

I appreciate the sentiment of having a surprise event, and thankful for what efforts were already put into this. But I think it's best to say something ahead of time. Clearly something isn't ironed out, which is fine, but it means that surprise events aren't viable on process level. I mean it took players >2 hours to find an issue with it.

Looking at all the related threads, there's already oodles of questions that need clarification. We've now had our 2nd event in a row where there were potential exploit issues that needed hotfixing. And the 2nd event in a row where ZOS made the judgement call to wait until the hotfix was deployed to say something. Players then have to tread carefully because your teams are making judgement calls that go against player sentiment. It's bad optics and it seems like it's creating some stress for a lot of people.

Having announcements gives us a sense of what the event is for, and what's not in scope for it. I feel like a lot of this should be obvious by now, so it's a bit frustrating to see issues with each event. It's not a personal fault, but I think there's some processes that could use some serious improvement. We all want to enjoy the event, and not have ambiguities and issues overshadow it. I understand you guys have teams that need to talk and that they can't always align, but if anything, that should show ZOS that a more deliberate pace is the right play. It'll make your lives easier.
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it took people less than 2 minutes to find that exploit

aruthandys · February 15

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

Yeah ZoS going radio silent on this event after it was mentioned in the crown store showcase was a mistake.
They only mentioned the MYM event so many of us figured the crafters was cancelled.

They don't want us saving up stuff for the event though, cause some players like myself would do thousands of master writs during it.
Unfortunately I did most of my writs the last few weeks, netting about 40k vouchers.

If I had known about this event I could have gotten 80k, enough for another set of grand master stations.

This is the first time we were doing the event and was supposed to be a surprise event, which is why we waited to say anything. Also this benefits of the event will only apply to new writs generated during the event. So there would been no benefit to the stockpiling your writs.

With regards to the writs. Are the new ones received during this event automatically having the attached rewards doubled so instead of normally showing 5 vouchers it will now show 10? If not how can we differentiate between those and the ones we received prior to the event beginning so that they can be separated. I ask because I'm a lazy crafter and have WAY to many writs sitting in characters bags.

VisitHammerfell · February 15

Keen wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Also this benefits of the event will only apply to new writs generated during the event. So there would been no benefit to the stockpiling your writs.

Should probably say that in the announcements, instead of making people figure it out the hard way.

Yes, like people reading the in game 100% writ vouchers and then spending a bunch of money on writs. Disappointing and frustrating.

code65536 · February 15

For people who have the means to datamine the game's data, the details for the event were available months in advance, and this week's suspiciously-themed weekly endeavors were a clear indicator that it was going to happen this week. So the surprise wasn't quite there.

WhosTheFancyOneNow wrote: »

it took people less than 2 minutes to find that exploit

When I saw the reduced recon cost in the datamined details, the very first thing that I thought was, "that sounds like an exploit", and it was going to be the first thing that I was going to check when the event went live.

To be honest, I was surprised that the exploit worked. Because it was so obvious that I thought, "they couldn't have possibly overlooked this". I really was expecting something like a cost floor, so that the halved costs could never fall below 25.

The_Boggart · February 15

Writs will probably be for traits I haven't got in crafting centres I can't access