No more jewelry grains?

Vulkunne

karthrag_inak wrote: »

Khajiit does not understand any of the doom and gloom. He has 120 Chromium Platings, and 180 Zircron Platings, and cannot wait for these numbers to explode by 10. In fact, this one is excited for all facets of this change.

This one also has 20 7 prof master crafters, and has until very recently done all 20's dailies every day. Unfortunately, the ridiculous costs of platinum ounces on vendors has made that more difficult - this one refuses to do any of his 9500+ surveys just for dailies - but now that chromium and other platings are going to be reasonably priced due to greater availability, the cost of platinum should come down as well.

To all the folks who feel this is going to ruin your "business", ask yourself, are you part of the original problem? Are you one of the people charging 200+ gold per platinum ounce? If so, shame on you!

Big difference between an investment, which how many people have 401ks? Shame on all of them too you say, okie dokie. But a business and an investment are different things.

More over while I would like to hope this particular change was meant to help people and fix a problem, which I'm fine with, I often get the feeling it was done for other reasons as well. Which concerns me not because of the intent, but because the people who feel this way are themselves part of the problem by putting feelings before genuine logic. We didn't start this problem and its not me trying to screw people over whom I personally don't like. No fix, nothing should be changed without a technical or business justification.

In fact, like others have said, in the end you may very well end up paying roughly the same for each full upgrade and... perhaps even more because right now it takes (4) Plates to upgrade and later on post conversion it will take (8).

Ah well. We all reap what we sow. Just don't do it with my money.

tmbrinks

Twohothardware wrote: »

Whats the play on the gold jewelry you have right now that you don't plan on using? Deconstruct to get the potential gold plate or hold on to them? I'd like to free up some bank space.

Decon whenever. The grain you get now will convert to a plating in U40... if you wait, you'd just get a plating then.

The only thing to absolutely not do right now is to upgrade jewelry, do jewelry master writs, reconstruct at higher than base levels, or construct furnishings that use grains/platings, basically anything that consumes jewelry upgrade materials

Lugaldu

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Did they say if the number of writ vouchers for purple/gold writs will be reduced (since it will be easier to acquire the mats)?

I'd like to know that too... Never again master writs that bring 200 or 600 writ vouchers at Rolis? Sigh.

tmbrinks

Lugaldu wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Did they say if the number of writ vouchers for purple/gold writs will be reduced (since it will be easier to acquire the mats)?

I'd like to know that too... Never again master writs that bring 200 or 600 writ vouchers at Rolis? Sigh.

They did stay that they would be adjusted. Which likely means reduced. I'd guess between a factor of 3-5.

I'd guess purples will be worth between 50-80 vouchers, and golds between 160-300 or so.

We will see on Monday though.

karthrag_inak

Vulkunne wrote: »

Big difference between an investment, which how many people have 401ks? Shame on all of them too you say, okie dokie. But a business and an investment are different things.

Oh, khajiit is very much investment-minded. This one's 401k-hajiit plan currently consists of, among other things, around 9200 surveys, and growing.

What this one meant regarding the "Shame on xxx" comment was just that there are many folks taking advantage of the complete lack of any downward pressure on market prices to charge whatever they want for plat ounces, inconveniencing this one's crafting life severely - sure, khajiit has over 1600 jewelry surveys, but the point of saving them is for -later- not now. This was somewhat tangential to this topic, really, so apologies, but it has crimped khajiit's tail for a while and he never passes up an opportunity to yowl about such things.

Vulkunne wrote: »

More over while I would like to hope this particular change was meant to help people and fix a problem, which I'm fine with, I often get the feeling it was done for other reasons as well. Which concerns me not because of the intent, but because the people who feel this way are themselves part of the problem by putting feelings before genuine logic. We didn't start this problem and its not me trying to screw people over whom I personally don't like. No fix, nothing should be changed without a technical or business justification.

In fact, like others have said, in the end you may very well end up paying roughly the same for each full upgrade and... perhaps even more because right now it takes (4) Plates to upgrade and later on post conversion it will take (8).

Ah well. We all reap what we sow. Just don't do it with my money.

All platings will be converting to 10x their number. So whereas it takes 4 current platings now to gold a purple, it will take less than one current plating (8 new platings) to do so after the change. Everywhere you would now get a grain, you will then get a plating. Even with the most adventurous of bull-ish markets, this one doubts that prices are going to rise very much.

What khajiit thinks will happen is that the chromium prices will fluctuate wildly initially, and then eventually will settle to be approx dreugh-wax prices (which ironically is around 1/10th the current plating price, so really not much change), or perhaps up to 2x as much. A substantial improvement from 10x as much, as they are now.

Of course, we shall see. If any market/craft needed a kick in the tail to shake things up, it was Jewelry. Is excitting

msetten

tmbrinks wrote: »

Lugaldu wrote: »

I'd like to know that too... Never again master writs that bring 200 or 600 writ vouchers at Rolis? Sigh.

They did stay that they would be adjusted. Which likely means reduced. I'd guess between a factor of 3-5.

I'd guess purples will be worth between 50-80 vouchers, and golds between 160-300 or so.

We will see on Monday though.

But what will happen with the jewelry master writs that people currently have in their inventory and bank when update 40 rolls out? Will those be converted too to lower writ voucher rewards? Will they remain the same? Will do not function anymore?

freespirit

As far as what platings will be worth after update 40, I think people are not realising just how flooded the market potentially could be immediately after update.

I do not collect my platings, I sell them as I get them but I was waiting for Saturday to sell my recently aquired ones(last couple of weeks), I don't farm mats, just do crafting dailies and pick dust up as I travel around, oh ToT reward coffers too. I already have 100's of surveys and by the end of October likely will have plenty more of everything.

As it stands atm I will have over 100 chromium platings after the conversion, not huge numbers but many, many people chatting in my trade guilds potentially will have 1000's if they cannot offload any before update, they are generally a bit unhappy too!

Even if the farmers stop farming dust now, all the people who routinely do crafting are unlikely to stop, by the end of October there will be sustantially more grains and platings just sitting in peoples bags waiting to be converted. Personally I expect it will be extremely hard to even match wax prices for chromium plating for quite a long while.

This is from a PC-EU perspective. 🙂

tmbrinks

msetten wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Lugaldu wrote: »

I'd like to know that too... Never again master writs that bring 200 or 600 writ vouchers at Rolis? Sigh.

They did stay that they would be adjusted. Which likely means reduced. I'd guess between a factor of 3-5.

I'd guess purples will be worth between 50-80 vouchers, and golds between 160-300 or so.

We will see on Monday though.

But what will happen with the jewelry master writs that people currently have in their inventory and bank when update 40 rolls out? Will those be converted too to lower writ voucher rewards? Will they remain the same? Will do not function anymore?

Don't know until the patch notes on Monday, and can test when the PTS is up then.

Aislinna

tmbrinks wrote: »

msetten wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Lugaldu wrote: »

I'd like to know that too... Never again master writs that bring 200 or 600 writ vouchers at Rolis? Sigh.

They did stay that they would be adjusted. Which likely means reduced. I'd guess between a factor of 3-5.

I'd guess purples will be worth between 50-80 vouchers, and golds between 160-300 or so.

We will see on Monday though.

But what will happen with the jewelry master writs that people currently have in their inventory and bank when update 40 rolls out? Will those be converted too to lower writ voucher rewards? Will they remain the same? Will do not function anymore?

Don't know until the patch notes on Monday, and can test when the PTS is up then.

Will people have existing master writs on PTS to see how the patch effects them? Or is this something people should set up now before the patch if they want to know the answer? Sorry, I don't do PTS, so not really sure how inventories work on it.

tmbrinks

Aislinna wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

msetten wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Lugaldu wrote: »

I'd like to know that too... Never again master writs that bring 200 or 600 writ vouchers at Rolis? Sigh.

They did stay that they would be adjusted. Which likely means reduced. I'd guess between a factor of 3-5.

I'd guess purples will be worth between 50-80 vouchers, and golds between 160-300 or so.

We will see on Monday though.

But what will happen with the jewelry master writs that people currently have in their inventory and bank when update 40 rolls out? Will those be converted too to lower writ voucher rewards? Will they remain the same? Will do not function anymore?

Don't know until the patch notes on Monday, and can test when the PTS is up then.

Will people have existing master writs on PTS to see how the patch effects them? Or is this something people should set up now before the patch if they want to know the answer? Sorry, I don't do PTS, so not really sure how inventories work on it.

They generally make a copy of the NA live server a day or two before the PTS, which is what you'll have access to when it opens up. With purple and gold jewelry master writs being rare (and having just destroyed them previous to the announcement on Thursday), I only have 1 purple myself I can check with for sure.

They have coffers with master writs in them, but those should all be "new" ones if they make adjustments.

Last time they adjusted jewelry master writs the old ones were not converted to the higher amounts.

I would not be surprised if they just revert to the old standard from before that buff.

Aislinna

tmbrinks wrote: »

Aislinna wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

msetten wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Lugaldu wrote: »

I'd like to know that too... Never again master writs that bring 200 or 600 writ vouchers at Rolis? Sigh.

They did stay that they would be adjusted. Which likely means reduced. I'd guess between a factor of 3-5.

I'd guess purples will be worth between 50-80 vouchers, and golds between 160-300 or so.

We will see on Monday though.

But what will happen with the jewelry master writs that people currently have in their inventory and bank when update 40 rolls out? Will those be converted too to lower writ voucher rewards? Will they remain the same? Will do not function anymore?

Don't know until the patch notes on Monday, and can test when the PTS is up then.

Will people have existing master writs on PTS to see how the patch effects them? Or is this something people should set up now before the patch if they want to know the answer? Sorry, I don't do PTS, so not really sure how inventories work on it.

They generally make a copy of the NA live server a day or two before the PTS, which is what you'll have access to when it opens up. With purple and gold jewelry master writs being rare (and having just destroyed them previous to the announcement on Thursday), I only have 1 purple myself I can check with for sure.

They have coffers with master writs in them, but those should all be "new" ones if they make adjustments.

Last time they adjusted jewelry master writs the old ones were not converted to the higher amounts.

I would not be surprised if they just revert to the old standard from before that buff.

Thank you for the information.

Syldras

Anyone knows what happens to the blue master writs (for about 25 to 30 vouchers each) we already own? I still have dozens of them in my bank.

tmbrinks

Syldras wrote: »

Anyone knows what happens to the blue master writs (for about 25 to 30 vouchers each) we already own? I still have dozens of them in my bank.

We will find out on Monday with the patch notes or once we can log onto the PTS.

lillybit

Syldras wrote: »

Anyone knows what happens to the blue master writs (for about 25 to 30 vouchers each) we already own? I still have dozens of them in my bank.

They said there won't be blue writs after the patch but they can't really just delete hundreds of earned items from people inventories can they?

....can they....?

Lugaldu

lillybit wrote: »

They said there won't be blue writs after the patch but they can't really just delete hundreds of earned items from people inventories can they?

....can they....?

That would be a strange move, but never say never...

Syldras

lillybit wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Anyone knows what happens to the blue master writs (for about 25 to 30 vouchers each) we already own? I still have dozens of them in my bank.

They said there won't be blue writs after the patch but they can't really just delete hundreds of earned items from people inventories can they?

....can they....?

Any news on this?

DragonRacer

Syldras wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Anyone knows what happens to the blue master writs (for about 25 to 30 vouchers each) we already own? I still have dozens of them in my bank.

They said there won't be blue writs after the patch but they can't really just delete hundreds of earned items from people inventories can they?

....can they....?

Any news on this?

No, because the PTS patch notes aren’t posted yet over in the PTS subforum.

msetten

Regarding the PTS patch notes on existing master jewelry writs:

"Existing crafting writs will be unchanged but new ones will use this rebalanced formula."

This seems to indicate that existing jewelry master writs can still be done for the current amount of writ vouchers they have after the update. So best to not do them now and save them if I am correctly interpreting this.

Edit: The PTS patch notes can be found here

tmbrinks

msetten wrote: »

Regarding the PTS patch notes on existing master jewelry writs:

"Existing crafting writs will be unchanged but new ones will use this rebalanced formula."

This seems to indicate that existing jewelry master writs can still be done for the current amount of writ vouchers they have after the update. So best to not do them now and save them if I am correctly interpreting this.

Edit: The PTS patch notes can be found here

Yes, 100%. Wait to do them.

Qwentra

I still can't understand why grain prices have skyrocketed, but they have decreased for platings. Isnt it cheaper to buy a few platings now to get 10 of them later, when you'll get only 1 with grains?

msetten

Qwentra wrote: »

I still can't understand why grain prices have skyrocketed, but they have decreased for platings. Isnt it cheaper to buy a few platings now to get 10 of them later, when you'll get only 1 with grains?

If 10 grains are higher in price than 1 plating, it is indeed better to buy the plating.

Aislinna

Qwentra wrote: »

I still can't understand why grain prices have skyrocketed, but they have decreased for platings. Isnt it cheaper to buy a few platings now to get 10 of them later, when you'll get only 1 with grains?

My guess is that some people are misunderstanding and thinking that u40-platings will cost the same as current u39-platings (they won't), so they think they are getting a good deal buying a grain now that will be converted to a plating later.

Qwentra

msetten wrote: »

If 10 grains are higher in price than 1 plating, it is indeed better to buy the plating.

It is 30k+ on grains and 190k+ on platings rn on PC EU.

h9dlb

the mat and jewellery market has collapsed

TybaltKaine

Is the sky falling again? Have I missed it?

Wake me when any of this actually happens and isn't wild conjecture that is based on half understood changes.

SilverBride

Some are selling, some are hoarding, but there are factors not being considered.

We don't know what the drop rate on the new platings will be. If it's the same as getting grains now then the price will stay about the same as the grains are now. But if it's a lower drop rate and the supply drops then the price will go up.

And everyone is focused on chromium but this will affect all the jewelrycrafting upgrade mats.

I'm not going to overthink this and will continue to sell platings until the price drops too much to make it feasible.

Necrotech_Master

Qwentra wrote: »

I still can't understand why grain prices have skyrocketed, but they have decreased for platings. Isnt it cheaper to buy a few platings now to get 10 of them later, when you'll get only 1 with grains?

the weird arguments i was seeing in zone the other day after the announcement was a lot of people were putting a lot more value on the grains than platings, not realizing that they will be functionally equivalent after the change i think

1 grain will be 1 plating
1 plating (made from 10 grains) will be 10 new platings

so like others mention, definitely do not anything that consumes jewelry tempers until the update, and all of those "old" pre-patch jewelry master writs will skyrocket in value as they are being effectively unchanged

CrashTest

Qwentra wrote: »

I still can't understand why grain prices have skyrocketed, but they have decreased for platings. Isnt it cheaper to buy a few platings now to get 10 of them later, when you'll get only 1 with grains?

Yes. I think people don't understand or know yet that 1 plating will equal 10 or they're just blindly following what someone else is doing.

Vulkunne

karthrag_inak wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

Big difference between an investment, which how many people have 401ks? Shame on all of them too you say, okie dokie. But a business and an investment are different things.

Oh, khajiit is very much investment-minded. This one's 401k-hajiit plan currently consists of, among other things, around 9200 surveys, and growing.

What this one meant regarding the "Shame on xxx" comment was just that there are many folks taking advantage of the complete lack of any downward pressure on market prices to charge whatever they want for plat ounces, inconveniencing this one's crafting life severely - sure, khajiit has over 1600 jewelry surveys, but the point of saving them is for -later- not now. This was somewhat tangential to this topic, really, so apologies, but it has crimped khajiit's tail for a while and he never passes up an opportunity to yowl about such things.

Vulkunne wrote: »

More over while I would like to hope this particular change was meant to help people and fix a problem, which I'm fine with, I often get the feeling it was done for other reasons as well. Which concerns me not because of the intent, but because the people who feel this way are themselves part of the problem by putting feelings before genuine logic. We didn't start this problem and its not me trying to screw people over whom I personally don't like. No fix, nothing should be changed without a technical or business justification.

In fact, like others have said, in the end you may very well end up paying roughly the same for each full upgrade and... perhaps even more because right now it takes (4) Plates to upgrade and later on post conversion it will take (8).

Ah well. We all reap what we sow. Just don't do it with my money.

All platings will be converting to 10x their number. So whereas it takes 4 current platings now to gold a purple, it will take less than one current plating (8 new platings) to do so after the change. Everywhere you would now get a grain, you will then get a plating. Even with the most adventurous of bull-ish markets, this one doubts that prices are going to rise very much.

What khajiit thinks will happen is that the chromium prices will fluctuate wildly initially, and then eventually will settle to be approx dreugh-wax prices (which ironically is around 1/10th the current plating price, so really not much change), or perhaps up to 2x as much. A substantial improvement from 10x as much, as they are now.

Of course, we shall see. If any market/craft needed a kick in the tail to shake things up, it was Jewelry. Is excitting

*shrugs* lot of changes coming. give it a year and nothing will be the same.

darvaria

The price of upgrading jewelry HAS to drop. You will essentially have 5X the supply now. It's feasible to not farm but 200 nodes now and get a plating. You can buy 2 pieces of jewelry from gold vendor (300K) and get upgrade. Makes campaign rewards of gold jewelry way more useful.

I just wish they would do it NOW. Everyone, including myself, waiting to gold up jewelry.

This makes farming upgrades feasible for a lot of players, not just those running bots. Before, it wasn't in my agenda to collect 2K nodes to get a plating. 800 to upgrade? you could do that every week or 2, less with tribute rewards, and a few purchases at gold vendor ..... you could upgrade a piece easily every week. Before, I had to sell crowns. I don't farm resources.

Do it NOW>