MagBlade Theorycrafting Changes Thread

Jeezye

Iskiab wrote: »

So I just browsed the PTS notes. From my understanding all dots were reduced to the same amount, but now some dots were increased to be stronger than others?

Am I reading it wrong or what was the point in trying to standardize abilities if some classes will have better ones at the end?[/

No cripple actually is the only class dot which has not gained 33% lol. I don’t even question the reasoning at this poibt

Jeezye

@Iskiab and regarding crit, I still think it’s nightblades best friend, especially for dark cloak builds. Leeching and cloak heals both don’t benefit from spelldmg, and with the natural crit modifiers it’s the best stat both offensively and defensively for magblade. Only pity is magica doesn’t have decent crit sets as stamina does.

.. talking balance

Iskiab

Jeezye wrote: »

@Iskiab and regarding crit, I still think it’s nightblades best friend, especially for dark cloak builds. Leeching and cloak heals both don’t benefit from spelldmg, and with the natural crit modifiers it’s the best stat both offensively and defensively for magblade. Only pity is magica doesn’t have decent crit sets as stamina does.

.. talking balance

Yea, crit and healing % modifiers. I want to try it now, issue is bar space crunch and whether I should go mother’s sorrow or treasure hunter. Purely for BGs I’d be tempted to try combat physician but it would suck outside small scale.

I really wish they’d make DW daggers give spell and weapon crit, that’d be awesome for magblades.

GhostofDatthaw

Iskiab wrote: »

Jeezye wrote: »

@Iskiab and regarding crit, I still think it’s nightblades best friend, especially for dark cloak builds. Leeching and cloak heals both don’t benefit from spelldmg, and with the natural crit modifiers it’s the best stat both offensively and defensively for magblade. Only pity is magica doesn’t have decent crit sets as stamina does.

.. talking balance

Yea, crit and healing % modifiers. I want to try it now, issue is bar space crunch and whether I should go mother’s sorrow or treasure hunter. Purely for BGs I’d be tempted to try combat physician but it would suck outside small scale.

I really wish they’d make DW daggers give spell and weapon crit, that’d be awesome for magblades.

It must be different healing in a big group like that instead of the small Stam ball I would heal. I could never get away with running gear like that. I had to run light fort brass, trans snb and a master resto. I would get focused so hard I would have to mist all over, constantly yelling PEAL PEAL PEAL. those were different times in a different situation tho

HowlKimchi

Rianai wrote: »

Healing Ward scales with spell dmg too, so necro isn't necessary if this is your only shield. Not that there are that great spell dmg sets, but you could go for something like amber, and get overall better stats from enchants and different food.

I considered Amber with a different food but all the other food have very poor stat density.

I'm using the tri recovery drink (which is very stat dense). I still choose necropotence because it gives a LOT of magicka which is great for both offense and defense, while getting my recoveries from the tri drinks.

Without changing torug's pact, this setup has overall the best stats with the enchants and the food. I've tested this for a veeery long time now, and this setup is hitting the stats the I am looking for in PVP for the playstyle.

Using amber and trifoods (which is the only other food that's worth it stat-wise) I get too much stamina and health than I need while getting too low health and magicka recovery (without changing steed or protective).

I get why you said what you said though because not everyone understands this playstyle.

Iskiab

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Jeezye wrote: »

@Iskiab and regarding crit, I still think it’s nightblades best friend, especially for dark cloak builds. Leeching and cloak heals both don’t benefit from spelldmg, and with the natural crit modifiers it’s the best stat both offensively and defensively for magblade. Only pity is magica doesn’t have decent crit sets as stamina does.

.. talking balance

Yea, crit and healing % modifiers. I want to try it now, issue is bar space crunch and whether I should go mother’s sorrow or treasure hunter. Purely for BGs I’d be tempted to try combat physician but it would suck outside small scale.

I really wish they’d make DW daggers give spell and weapon crit, that’d be awesome for magblades.

It must be different healing in a big group like that instead of the small Stam ball I would heal. I could never get away with running gear like that. I had to run light fort brass, trans snb and a master resto. I would get focused so hard I would have to mist all over, constantly yelling PEAL PEAL PEAL. those were different times in a different situation tho

Well it is and it isn’t. Transmutation doesn’t work well on a NB so another class can cover that buff because Refreshing path can’t proc transmutation anymore, it’s a bad set for a NB. I still go for 27k resistances and 25k health min, you have wiggle room to work around sets and hit those numbers. My thinking is to play a NB as a healer I have to take advantage of the class’ strengths - which are heal % modifiers from a mobile minor mending and % healing buffs from the Siphoning tree. It allows you to hit a 40% total to boost to % health heals and not get round down.

Cleanse also gives really good survivability. It's a 7 or 8k heal per target if they have 3 debuffs on them, if I'm cleansing 3 debuffs/dots per person with a 6 target cap it'll usually hit for around 40k. It can also crit so I'm looking at crit builds to help buff cleanse even more. Cleanse makes you immune from pugs and randoms because they rely on dots in this 'dot meta' lol, so makes them a non-issue. I lol'd because no matter how many times I've said it people have convinced each other dots are effective where cleanse uses them to heal more then dots could ever do in damage. Your average small scale pvper who uses dots are completely irrelevant in cyrodiil these days.

Where there are issues is synergy bombers, last week I was hit by a 17k boneyard. While I liked fortified brass prior to onslaught these days I'm not sure how effective it is, there are lots of pvp tanky types to get the pen buff from and use on groups.

Imo the fortified brass set will be completely uselsss post patch, it’s always had poor 3-4 piece bonus’ and a good 5 piece effect, post patch 3-5 will be under budget and close to useless. Just be a nord and you’ll get just as much resists as entire fortified brass set, brass is about to become the worst set in the game.

I’m thinking stacking minor and major protection would be better than resistances, but am still figuring it out.

Edit - I think if I asked for a peel in this game people would ask where’s the banana. There was a large gap of time without a good pvp MMO game, your average ESO player would have no clue what you’re talking about.

Jeezye

Iskiab wrote: »

Jeezye wrote: »

@Iskiab and regarding crit, I still think it’s nightblades best friend, especially for dark cloak builds. Leeching and cloak heals both don’t benefit from spelldmg, and with the natural crit modifiers it’s the best stat both offensively and defensively for magblade. Only pity is magica doesn’t have decent crit sets as stamina does.

.. talking balance

Yea, crit and healing % modifiers. I want to try it now, issue is bar space crunch and whether I should go mother’s sorrow or treasure hunter. Purely for BGs I’d be tempted to try combat physician but it would suck outside small scale.

I really wish they’d make DW daggers give spell and weapon crit, that’d be awesome for magblades.

Tell me how your setup goes! pls @link me since I dont follow the thread by every post. Also consider torugs for the crit synergy with glyphs. Might also try absorb health or magicka glyph for decent sustained damage + desperatly needed healing (or sustain).

Thx!

Iskiab

@Jeezye

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=177748

This is what I’m playing now, it’s pretty OP.

Thinking of tweaking it to add more crit, I’m not sure.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=182580

Cleanse will also be nerfed in two weeks with the heal amount halved. Last time I checked PTS cleanse wasn’t effected by healing % modifiers as well, I’m not sure if that’s a bug or it’s being further nerfed.

Jeezye

Iskiab wrote: »

@Jeezye

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=177748

This is what I’m playing now, it’s pretty OP.

Thinking of tweaking it to add more crit, I’m not sure.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=182580

Cleanse will also be nerfed in two weeks with the heal amount halved. Last time I checked PTS cleanse wasn’t effected by healing % modifiers as well, I’m not sure if that’s a bug or it’s being further nerfed.

ohh I didn't get you wanted that crit setup for healing lol. Seein your setup, I'm kinda curious if leeching strikes works with symbiosis? That would be a rather cool synergy

Iskiab

Jeezye wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

@Jeezye

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=177748

This is what I’m playing now, it’s pretty OP.

Thinking of tweaking it to add more crit, I’m not sure.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=182580

Cleanse will also be nerfed in two weeks with the heal amount halved. Last time I checked PTS cleanse wasn’t effected by healing % modifiers as well, I’m not sure if that’s a bug or it’s being further nerfed.

ohh I didn't get you wanted that crit setup for healing lol. Seein your setup, I'm kinda curious if leeching strikes works with symbiosis? That would be a rather cool synergy

It does, unfortunately you can’t build merciless stacks.

ScruffyWhiskers

So Concealed gets a cost discount of 400 in next patch. If they would just remove the cast time on soul harvest or even just cut it to 200 ms I would be really happy.

HowlKimchi

Wut since when did refreshing path not proc transmutation?

Trans was my favorite magblade and magplar pvp healer set when I ran a small scale healer build.

Oh how refreshing path has fallen...

GhostofDatthaw

HaruKamui wrote: »

Wut since when did refreshing path not proc transmutation?

Trans was my favorite magblade and magplar pvp healer set when I ran a small scale healer build.

Oh how refreshing path has fallen...

Path is such a joke of a skill from what it was. Path used to be the skill I wanted them to add snare removal to, keep removals up while in the path, but the put it on friggin double take because they don't want to give a class a maj exp snare removal and lose profit from psijic

I remember the days my build was that classic trans riposte skoria, what was that like Morrowindish? Loved path in that build, then it always had a bar slot on my ice build. Path and funnel health both were ruined by pve tbh

GhostofDatthaw

God I'm getting sad now thinking about my pre Morrowind build. All the fun and unique skills the classes still had. In my eyes the patches pre Morrowind were the golden days of eso. Granted that was when I transition from pve guy who occasionally PvP to getting into a good guild who really showed me the ropes. But MAN mangnb siphon still had Stam return, double take was speed and actual dodge chance, I rng myself out of so many frags and incaps. Incap still stunned. Swallow soul had minor vit so if you wanted to heal just pop siphon and weave harder. The meteor into agony combos.

Iskiab

I started in summerset I didn’t get to see any of those things. For me the time when magblade healers were strongest was right before the last patch.

You could build tanky enough to brawl. These days burst is out of control.

These days you can global people with a dizzy into execute combo. Health desyncs everywhere so you’ll go from 100 to 0 health, only to check your recap and you were hit by 3 snipes. On PC-NA at least stam macro users are everywhere, maybe just straight cheaters. I saw one NB yesterday go into stealth at range, then again for an instant in front of me running at full speed before going from 100 to 0 health, checked and 3 snipes? First off you lose your speed while channeling or a cast time attack, from my perspective of what I saw it should have been impossible.

Considering I saw him go into stealth at range and he ended up in front of me, likely a macro to cloak - snipe - cloak again instantly and hit it 3 times.

Favouring damage over defense with health desyncs everywhere is breaking the game.

Even if they reverted some of those changes... so what? Minor vitality is sort of useless when people get globalled.

HowlKimchi

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

Wut since when did refreshing path not proc transmutation?

Trans was my favorite magblade and magplar pvp healer set when I ran a small scale healer build.

Oh how refreshing path has fallen...

Path is such a joke of a skill from what it was. Path used to be the skill I wanted them to add snare removal to, keep removals up while in the path, but the put it on friggin double take because they don't want to give a class a maj exp snare removal and lose profit from psijic

I remember the days my build was that classic trans riposte skoria, what was that like Morrowindish? Loved path in that build, then it always had a bar slot on my ice build. Path and funnel health both were ruined by pve tbh

I think every magblade ran riposte, transmutation, and skoria during those days haha. Yep Morrowind. Refreshing path used to be my favorite magblade skill.

Iskiab wrote: »

I started in summerset I didn’t get to see any of those things. For me the time when magblade healers were strongest was right before the last patch.

You could build tanky enough to brawl. These days burst is out of control.

These days you can global people with a dizzy into execute combo. Health desyncs everywhere so you’ll go from 100 to 0 health, only to check your recap and you were hit by 3 snipes. On PC-NA at least stam macro users are everywhere, maybe just straight cheaters. I saw one NB yesterday for 1 second running at full speed before going from 100 to 0 health, checked and 3 snipes? First off you lose your speed while channeling or a cast time attack, from my perspective of what I saw it should have been impossible.

Considering I saw him go into stealth at range and he ended up in front of me, likely a macro to cloak - snipe - cloak again instantly and hit it 3 times.

Favouring damage over defense with health desyncs everywhere is breaking the game.

Magblade healers were really strong during morrowind. I kinda love that meta. A lot of people hated the nerf to sustain (with the removal of the cost reduction CP) but I loved it. Slowed the game down. Fights became more tactical with resource management being essential. It killed the perma blocking DKs. DoT and DD builds were equally viable as well.

Or maybe im just looking back with rose tinted glasses.

kaithuzar

I haven’t played in over a month now. I miss the good times, but am somewhat content in not having to deal with the bad.
I have always, and will continue to, sincerely hope that ZOS, or anyone, can turn this game around. But for now, I’ve been on the WoW classic train.
Primary issues/reasons for leaving/taking a break:
They’ve been “working on fixing issues” for 5 years! And many of them are the same problems!
Secondly, they very well know a percentage of players are actively cheating & either deny the claims or refuse to do anything about them. They would rather ban someone for bad mouthing another player, than trying to prevent malicious dll injection; as the security protection may cause them to need better servers than decade old opterons.

The last time I played, I went back to my old 5 light 2 heavy Destro & resto build of alessian & willows path. The full build is somewhere here on the forums.
It’s the most well rounded & strongest build I’ve played/made in terms of adaptability. I strongly recommend everyone to try it however it’s not for the feint of heart or pocketbook since gold alessian jewelry may not be easy to come by & is a necessity.

Maybe I’ll come back one day but we’ll see how the patch notes look come first quarter next year.

glhf,
-Kai

GhostofDatthaw

kaithuzar wrote: »

I haven’t played in over a month now. I miss the good times, but am somewhat content in not having to deal with the bad.
I have always, and will continue to, sincerely hope that ZOS, or anyone, can turn this game around. But for now, I’ve been on the WoW classic train.
Primary issues/reasons for leaving/taking a break:
They’ve been “working on fixing issues” for 5 years! And many of them are the same problems!
Secondly, they very well know a percentage of players are actively cheating & either deny the claims or refuse to do anything about them. They would rather ban someone for bad mouthing another player, than trying to prevent malicious dll injection; as the security protection may cause them to need better servers than decade old opterons.

The last time I played, I went back to my old 5 light 2 heavy Destro & resto build of alessian & willows path. The full build is somewhere here on the forums.
It’s the most well rounded & strongest build I’ve played/made in terms of adaptability. I strongly recommend everyone to try it however it’s not for the feint of heart or pocketbook since gold alessian jewelry may not be easy to come by & is a necessity.

Maybe I’ll come back one day but we’ll see how the patch notes look come first quarter next year.

glhf,
-Kai

They promising performance upgrades next year. If they don't deliver on gone.

Iskiab

kaithuzar wrote: »

I haven’t played in over a month now. I miss the good times, but am somewhat content in not having to deal with the bad.
I have always, and will continue to, sincerely hope that ZOS, or anyone, can turn this game around. But for now, I’ve been on the WoW classic train.
Primary issues/reasons for leaving/taking a break:
They’ve been “working on fixing issues” for 5 years! And many of them are the same problems!
Secondly, they very well know a percentage of players are actively cheating & either deny the claims or refuse to do anything about them. They would rather ban someone for bad mouthing another player, than trying to prevent malicious dll injection; as the security protection may cause them to need better servers than decade old opterons.

The last time I played, I went back to my old 5 light 2 heavy Destro & resto build of alessian & willows path. The full build is somewhere here on the forums.
It’s the most well rounded & strongest build I’ve played/made in terms of adaptability. I strongly recommend everyone to try it however it’s not for the feint of heart or pocketbook since gold alessian jewelry may not be easy to come by & is a necessity.

Maybe I’ll come back one day but we’ll see how the patch notes look come first quarter next year.

glhf,
-Kai

Yea, performance sucks but there's no way they're still using opteron servers, that would just be outrageous. Usual shelf life of a server is 4-6 years, and the company would have to be incompetent to not include server upgrades in their capital budget. If it was true there's honestly no hope of any future optimizations or competence coming from ZoS.

Bethesda is working on a new gaming platform, basicly the premise is it'll perform all game calculations on the server so lag isn't an issue. Rather than sending information from one PC to the server, to another PC and back it'll perform everything in one place. The player's computer would only be rendering graphics and sending/receiving commands, best case they're thinking of implementing it in ESO but inevitable delays in a new product would mean rollout is being delayed.

GhostofDatthaw

Has anyone tried this setup recently? The trans riposte skoria. I mean it might be ok now that you can just dual bar riposte. I've been thinking about it and with my wood elf magnb and the nerf again to shade, it might not even be worth baring. I'm so fast I roll and Sprint 1s I'm easy out of the 20m range. Only problem is the rock trolling which I do love. I k ow back then shade didn't work at all so we needed the buff. But now I could run that and make drop shade for meditation i might try it and run it on a dark cloak setup

Iskiab

Could work, but I’m trying to get away from proc’d defensive sets. I’m finding a lot of time combat’s over too quickly so they’re unreliable.

A lot of heavy armour builds tank their crit so it’d likely be ineffective against them. With onslaught and a dizzy crit you’re looking at up to an 18k crit as the opener, I’m not sure you can rely on minor maim. With health desyncs I wonder how it’d work too, would the person get minor maim from the first snipe even though it typically doesn’t register until you’ve been hit 4x and are dead?

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

So Concealed gets a cost discount of 400 in next patch. If they would just remove the cast time on soul harvest or even just cut it to 200 ms I would be really happy.

I still want them to roll the stealthed speed boost from CW into the base skill (Veiled Strike).

Then give Concealed Weapon Minor Breach for 6 seconds, and swap out the weird positional penetration on Surprise Attack for a 6-second Minor Fracture.

GhostofDatthaw

Feel like I've made some friends here so it's off topic but I'll say it anyway.

I've pretty much stopped playing magplar while is fotm, the hate messages are absurd, I never get them on my nb, but people always cussing be out calling me meta trash and scrub crutch player.

I just put them on ignore but it want to be like you realize the toon is the same name as the account? Means it's probably first toon? Or link my master crafter and be like yeah I waited 4 years for this moment.

Anyway rant over

GhostofDatthaw

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

So Concealed gets a cost discount of 400 in next patch. If they would just remove the cast time on soul harvest or even just cut it to 200 ms I would be really happy.

I still want them to roll the stealthed speed boost from CW into the base skill (Veiled Strike).

Then give Concealed Weapon Minor Breach for 6 seconds, and swap out the weird positional penetration on Surprise Attack for a 6-second Minor Fracture.

If it gave movement to Stam it would be op, medium armor already get speed buffs and some Stam gankers run it for movement anyway. IDC about the Stam variation but besides maybe minor damage or cost tweaks the skills idea is sound.

Jeezye

Hey guys, as I had some time to think about ways to approach magblade next patch, I was stumbling over the off-balance synergy as a means to stun people.

Has anyone tried to play with an off-balance build that uses heavy attacks into merciless as a combo to ensure a hit? As the travel time of the heavy attack is quite slow I can imagine a follow-up merciless is pretty likely to hit.

With tactician passive and some stam regen, maybe through amber or shackle this might be a very nice burst combo. Not sure of merciless is also affected by exploited if the heavy consumes the off-balance.

thoughts?

Metemsycosis

Back when amber came out but they changed agony that's how i did it. I would not rely on it but some you will surprise and it's over

Iskiab

Quick question, has anyone tried the vampiric drain? I’ve never tried it but building around it as your stun and heal could be decent.

GhostofDatthaw

Jeezye wrote: »

Hey guys, as I had some time to think about ways to approach magblade next patch, I was stumbling over the off-balance synergy as a means to stun people.

Has anyone tried to play with an off-balance build that uses heavy attacks into merciless as a combo to ensure a hit? As the travel time of the heavy attack is quite slow I can imagine a follow-up merciless is pretty likely to hit.

With tactician passive and some stam regen, maybe through amber or shackle this might be a very nice burst combo. Not sure of merciless is also affected by exploited if the heavy consumes the off-balance.

thoughts?

I have been putting alot of thought into something similar but not along the lines of heavies but with cp passives. Wood elf along with inc speed gives me 1500extra pen . I also think I am going to drop shade with the cost Inc and the distance nerf and my speed it seems useless outside rock trolling. Might drop necro for crafty

You would need to proc the hit with resto or lighting staff

Metemsycosis

Iskiab wrote: »

Quick question, has anyone tried the vampiric drain? I’ve never tried it but building around it as your stun and heal could be decent.

Yes it can be decent. Focus on siphon skills. With an ulti set like dragonguard it is awesome. Its stun isnt reliable and the damage is negligible but the heal works with the rest of the kit.

I'd keep cripple or ice destro on them to soften opponent stamina.

Iskiab

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Jeezye wrote: »

Hey guys, as I had some time to think about ways to approach magblade next patch, I was stumbling over the off-balance synergy as a means to stun people.

Has anyone tried to play with an off-balance build that uses heavy attacks into merciless as a combo to ensure a hit? As the travel time of the heavy attack is quite slow I can imagine a follow-up merciless is pretty likely to hit.

With tactician passive and some stam regen, maybe through amber or shackle this might be a very nice burst combo. Not sure of merciless is also affected by exploited if the heavy consumes the off-balance.

thoughts?

I have been putting alot of thought into something similar but not along the lines of heavies but with cp passives. Wood elf along with inc speed gives me 1500extra pen . I also think I am going to drop shade with the cost Inc and the distance nerf and my speed it seems useless outside rock trolling. Might drop necro for crafty

Wood elf is nice, but I’d look into that set that gives a speed boost when you have a damage shield.

I was thinking a setup similar to fred’s with RAT, healing ward or harness magicka and Shadowy Disguise might work well.

The shade isn’t worth it imo, mist form is better.

Haven’t worked out the details on how to put it all together, but basicly try and be the road runner and cloak, mist form if you’re in trouble. Maybe even pelinal 2h in 5m-2L all weapon damage glyphs and throw in dodge rolls.