Revert Faction Locks. We've Been Through This Already

Agrippa_Invisus

Palidon wrote: »

Got an idea ZOS make another 30 day campaign that is not faction locked then players can choose between 30 day faction locked or 30 day non faction locked. Would be interesting to see which campaign turns out having more players in it. Most important though, it would now be a players choice. This way it satisfies everyone.

This would, indeed, be the fairest way to handle it. That's why ZOS won't do it. Also, the PVP community isn't large enough to fully populate two 30 day servers on any given night. It couldn't before the Xpack launched, it can't now.

IronWooshu wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

It's not an imbalance, we've been told, it's because 'faction hopper vermin are deliberately playing EP to give the middle finger to faction loyalist HEROES'. Oh, wait, that was week 1, week 2 was 'AD and DC HEROES are playing Elseweyr, but EP are too poverty to even able to afford Elseweyr'. What's this weeks excuse for the imbalances? Venus and Jupiter aren't in alignment?

All sides have been faction locked now as opposed to only EP for the first 2 week so EP got a heavy start and its gonna be really hard to close that gap. Wait til next campaign before you make this speach.

I think you greatly overestimate the number of players that will swap to AD and DC next for PC/NA next month.

Humans, inherently, will follow the path of least resistance. Sure, some will swap, but the majority will continue to play for the faction that a) allows them to play most of their toons in Cyrodiil or b) wins and holds most of the map.

Using my own account as an example, if I were to roll a DC toon, it would make it so that there are 7 characters on my account could not zone into Cyrodiil with for a month.

Not going to happen. Especially not to help the people who have been advocating for the faction locks. You folks can just suffer the consequences of your decisions.

That's fine and that's not what I am really saying. I am saying next campaign red wont have 2 weeks alone in the map to get that far ahead. Yes red has alot of players but so so many of them are easy AP farms and the better PVP players will switch because they are not sheep like bad PVP players and take the path of least resistance if they want good fights.

(Not all will but some will)

Some isn't enough, and we both know it.

DC doesn't have the numbers or the organization on Kaalgrontiid, and those players who would switch are likely not the ones who care much about the campaign scoreboard. It would not tip the off hours disparity. Most importantly, due to the locks, the logistics of whole guilds switching is near prohibitive as you start to lose individual members to attrition due to their inability to play all their characters.

The unnecessary punishment of faction locks on players on a One Tamriel enabled world to appease the paranoia of others has harmed this community worse than any lag spike or lighting patch ever could.

IronWooshu

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Palidon wrote: »

Got an idea ZOS make another 30 day campaign that is not faction locked then players can choose between 30 day faction locked or 30 day non faction locked. Would be interesting to see which campaign turns out having more players in it. Most important though, it would now be a players choice. This way it satisfies everyone.

This would, indeed, be the fairest way to handle it. That's why ZOS won't do it. Also, the PVP community isn't large enough to fully populate two 30 day servers on any given night. It couldn't before the Xpack launched, it can't now.

IronWooshu wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

It's not an imbalance, we've been told, it's because 'faction hopper vermin are deliberately playing EP to give the middle finger to faction loyalist HEROES'. Oh, wait, that was week 1, week 2 was 'AD and DC HEROES are playing Elseweyr, but EP are too poverty to even able to afford Elseweyr'. What's this weeks excuse for the imbalances? Venus and Jupiter aren't in alignment?

All sides have been faction locked now as opposed to only EP for the first 2 week so EP got a heavy start and its gonna be really hard to close that gap. Wait til next campaign before you make this speach.

I think you greatly overestimate the number of players that will swap to AD and DC next for PC/NA next month.

Humans, inherently, will follow the path of least resistance. Sure, some will swap, but the majority will continue to play for the faction that a) allows them to play most of their toons in Cyrodiil or b) wins and holds most of the map.

Using my own account as an example, if I were to roll a DC toon, it would make it so that there are 7 characters on my account could not zone into Cyrodiil with for a month.

Not going to happen. Especially not to help the people who have been advocating for the faction locks. You folks can just suffer the consequences of your decisions.

That's fine and that's not what I am really saying. I am saying next campaign red wont have 2 weeks alone in the map to get that far ahead. Yes red has alot of players but so so many of them are easy AP farms and the better PVP players will switch because they are not sheep like bad PVP players and take the path of least resistance if they want good fights.

(Not all will but some will)

Some isn't enough, and we both know it.

DC doesn't have the numbers or the organization on Kaalgrontiid, and those players who would switch are likely not the ones who care much about the campaign scoreboard. It would not tip the off hours disparity. Most importantly, due to the locks, the logistics of whole guilds switching is near prohibitive as you start to lose individual members to attrition due to their inability to play all their characters.

The unnecessary punishment of faction locks on players on a One Tamriel enabled world to appease the paranoia of others has harmed this community worse than any lag spike or lighting patch ever could.

There is no paranoia.. the cheating was rampant, casual players wouldn't notice, those running scoreboard or trying for emp would. How many times did someone log into the other faction pick up a scroll and run to their buddies in another faction and drop the scroll for them and with no consequence logs off and onto his other character whos faction now has the scroll. How about when you're running for emp and the guy ahead of you AP doesn't move for two hours then jumps ahead by 500k? These things happen more often then not and faction locks wont eliminate them but it will cut them down big time because for that friend to log into the campaign as another color to grab that scroll or help farm that AP he is stuck from playing with his friend who he is helping emp and now has 30 days of no PVP with friends.

Before there was no consequence.

Mr_Walker

IronWooshu wrote: »

There is no paranoia.. the cheating was rampant, casual players wouldn't notice, those running scoreboard or trying for emp would. How many times did someone log into the other faction pick up a scroll and run to their buddies in another faction and drop the scroll for them and with no consequence logs off and onto his other character whos faction now has the scroll. How about when you're running for emp and the guy ahead of you AP doesn't move for two hours then jumps ahead by 500k? These things happen more often then not and faction locks wont eliminate them but it will cut them down big time because for that friend to log into the campaign as another color to grab that scroll or help farm that AP he is stuck from playing with his friend who he is helping emp and now has 30 days of no PVP with friends.

Before there was no consequence.

Faction locks will completely solve this particular problem. Well, they would if all you needed wasn't 2 willing friends....

It will also solve the problem of scroll trolls. Apart from the usual amount I have seen running the scrolls towards enemy keeps, I haven't seen one.

At best you're naive.

IronWooshu

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

There is no paranoia.. the cheating was rampant, casual players wouldn't notice, those running scoreboard or trying for emp would. How many times did someone log into the other faction pick up a scroll and run to their buddies in another faction and drop the scroll for them and with no consequence logs off and onto his other character whos faction now has the scroll. How about when you're running for emp and the guy ahead of you AP doesn't move for two hours then jumps ahead by 500k? These things happen more often then not and faction locks wont eliminate them but it will cut them down big time because for that friend to log into the campaign as another color to grab that scroll or help farm that AP he is stuck from playing with his friend who he is helping emp and now has 30 days of no PVP with friends.

Before there was no consequence.

Faction locks will completely solve this particular problem. Well, they would if all you needed wasn't 2 willing friends....

It will also solve the problem of scroll trolls. Apart from the usual amount I have seen running the scrolls towards enemy keeps, I haven't seen one.

At best you're naive.

C'mon man like really? you're a stating a point that I literally touched on in the post and explained why faction locks help the problem MORE than non faction locks can do but wont completely solve it.

Mr_Walker

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

It's not an imbalance, we've been told, it's because 'faction hopper vermin are deliberately playing EP to give the middle finger to faction loyalist HEROES'. Oh, wait, that was week 1, week 2 was 'AD and DC HEROES are playing Elseweyr, but EP are too poverty to even able to afford Elseweyr'. What's this weeks excuse for the imbalances? Venus and Jupiter aren't in alignment?

All sides have been faction locked now as opposed to only EP for the first 2 week so EP got a heavy start and its gonna be really hard to close that gap. Wait til next campaign before you make this speach.

We've used a wide range of increasingly byzantine explanations for the problems, and now we're at the "but it will be different next time" stage? It happened quicker than I expected. How amusing.

Mr_Walker

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

There is no paranoia.. the cheating was rampant, casual players wouldn't notice, those running scoreboard or trying for emp would. How many times did someone log into the other faction pick up a scroll and run to their buddies in another faction and drop the scroll for them and with no consequence logs off and onto his other character whos faction now has the scroll. How about when you're running for emp and the guy ahead of you AP doesn't move for two hours then jumps ahead by 500k? These things happen more often then not and faction locks wont eliminate them but it will cut them down big time because for that friend to log into the campaign as another color to grab that scroll or help farm that AP he is stuck from playing with his friend who he is helping emp and now has 30 days of no PVP with friends.

Before there was no consequence.

Faction locks will completely solve this particular problem. Well, they would if all you needed wasn't 2 willing friends....

It will also solve the problem of scroll trolls. Apart from the usual amount I have seen running the scrolls towards enemy keeps, I haven't seen one.

At best you're naive.

C'mon man like really? you're a stating a point that I literally touched on in the post and explained why faction locks help the problem MORE than non faction locks can do but wont completely solve it.

If I were to do it I don't even need PvPers to AP boost, a couple of PvE chums can get me enough AP to emp in an hour at the start of a campaign, and they don't care what faction they're locked in to.

If you think Faction locking solves AP boosting you have no idea how to do it.

disintegr8

Still waiting for the campaign to get nearer to finishing to see which faction is most likely to win before committing to it. Never likely to get Emp but you can always get on the leader boards in the last week

I think faction locks only keep the faction die hards happy. Only by introducing a corresponding non locked campaign would we be able to get an idea which is really more popular.

IronWooshu

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

There is no paranoia.. the cheating was rampant, casual players wouldn't notice, those running scoreboard or trying for emp would. How many times did someone log into the other faction pick up a scroll and run to their buddies in another faction and drop the scroll for them and with no consequence logs off and onto his other character whos faction now has the scroll. How about when you're running for emp and the guy ahead of you AP doesn't move for two hours then jumps ahead by 500k? These things happen more often then not and faction locks wont eliminate them but it will cut them down big time because for that friend to log into the campaign as another color to grab that scroll or help farm that AP he is stuck from playing with his friend who he is helping emp and now has 30 days of no PVP with friends.

Before there was no consequence.

Faction locks will completely solve this particular problem. Well, they would if all you needed wasn't 2 willing friends....

It will also solve the problem of scroll trolls. Apart from the usual amount I have seen running the scrolls towards enemy keeps, I haven't seen one.

At best you're naive.

C'mon man like really? you're a stating a point that I literally touched on in the post and explained why faction locks help the problem MORE than non faction locks can do but wont completely solve it.

If I were to do it I don't even need PvPers to AP boost, a couple of PvE chums can get me enough AP to emp in an hour at the start of a campaign, and they don't care what faction they're locked in to.

If you think Faction locking solves AP boosting you have no idea how to do it.

I never said faction lock would solve it complete but it cuts it down massively.. how does non faction lock even help at all.. please share with us how non faction lock completely prevents this.

Thank you for admitting AP farming was a problem.. now its an inconvenience done by a few. Eventually we will have ways to report them and have them banned from all PVP.

Mr_Walker

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

There is no paranoia.. the cheating was rampant, casual players wouldn't notice, those running scoreboard or trying for emp would. How many times did someone log into the other faction pick up a scroll and run to their buddies in another faction and drop the scroll for them and with no consequence logs off and onto his other character whos faction now has the scroll. How about when you're running for emp and the guy ahead of you AP doesn't move for two hours then jumps ahead by 500k? These things happen more often then not and faction locks wont eliminate them but it will cut them down big time because for that friend to log into the campaign as another color to grab that scroll or help farm that AP he is stuck from playing with his friend who he is helping emp and now has 30 days of no PVP with friends.

Before there was no consequence.

Faction locks will completely solve this particular problem. Well, they would if all you needed wasn't 2 willing friends....

It will also solve the problem of scroll trolls. Apart from the usual amount I have seen running the scrolls towards enemy keeps, I haven't seen one.

At best you're naive.

C'mon man like really? you're a stating a point that I literally touched on in the post and explained why faction locks help the problem MORE than non faction locks can do but wont completely solve it.

If I were to do it I don't even need PvPers to AP boost, a couple of PvE chums can get me enough AP to emp in an hour at the start of a campaign, and they don't care what faction they're locked in to.

If you think Faction locking solves AP boosting you have no idea how to do it.

I never said faction lock would solve it complete but it cuts it down massively.. how does non faction lock even help at all.. please share with us how non faction lock completely prevents this.

I never said it does. When it comes to AP boosters, faction lock is the cure for that like stuffing a rabid ferret down your pants is the cure for an earache... quite distracting, but does nothing to solve the problem.

CatchMeTrolling

Zos reasoning for adding locks was to stop people abusing AP, which mostly happened in the 7 day. Yet they decided to add the faction lock to the 30 day.

Hashtag_

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Zos reasoning for adding locks was to stop people abusing AP, which mostly happened in the 7 day. Yet they decided to add the faction lock to the 30 day.

They cited getting emp on multiple factions which probably also happened in the 7 day

cheifsoap

I don't want them to revert anything. This is the most fun I've had in Cyrodiil in a long time (minus to lag and crashing)

SmackNCheese

cheifsoap wrote: »

I don't want them to revert anything. This is the most fun I've had in Cyrodiil in a long time (minus to lag and crashing)

Of course it's someone with an EP Logo. I am locked into EP on 30 day CP NA PC and it just feels terrible. Outside of the few times a day where AD and DC are running 40+ ball groups, EP holds the map and there are little to no fights.

cheifsoap

SmackNCheese wrote: »

cheifsoap wrote: »

I don't want them to revert anything. This is the most fun I've had in Cyrodiil in a long time (minus to lag and crashing)

Of course it's someone with an EP Logo. I am locked into EP on 30 day CP NA PC and it just feels terrible. Outside of the few times a day where AD and DC are running 40+ ball groups, EP holds the map and there are little to no fights.

You should hop on PS4 then. EP while having the most points (as of a few days ago) has constant fighting between EP, AD, and DC. As a matter of fact, last I saw AD making huge gains in points.

IronWooshu

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

There is no paranoia.. the cheating was rampant, casual players wouldn't notice, those running scoreboard or trying for emp would. How many times did someone log into the other faction pick up a scroll and run to their buddies in another faction and drop the scroll for them and with no consequence logs off and onto his other character whos faction now has the scroll. How about when you're running for emp and the guy ahead of you AP doesn't move for two hours then jumps ahead by 500k? These things happen more often then not and faction locks wont eliminate them but it will cut them down big time because for that friend to log into the campaign as another color to grab that scroll or help farm that AP he is stuck from playing with his friend who he is helping emp and now has 30 days of no PVP with friends.

Before there was no consequence.

Faction locks will completely solve this particular problem. Well, they would if all you needed wasn't 2 willing friends....

It will also solve the problem of scroll trolls. Apart from the usual amount I have seen running the scrolls towards enemy keeps, I haven't seen one.

At best you're naive.

C'mon man like really? you're a stating a point that I literally touched on in the post and explained why faction locks help the problem MORE than non faction locks can do but wont completely solve it.

If I were to do it I don't even need PvPers to AP boost, a couple of PvE chums can get me enough AP to emp in an hour at the start of a campaign, and they don't care what faction they're locked in to.

If you think Faction locking solves AP boosting you have no idea how to do it.

I never said faction lock would solve it complete but it cuts it down massively.. how does non faction lock even help at all.. please share with us how non faction lock completely prevents this.

I never said it does. When it comes to AP boosters, faction lock is the cure for that like stuffing a rabid ferret down your pants is the cure for an earache... quite distracting, but does nothing to solve the problem.

it curbs the problem a lot more than it ever did with non faction locks and AP Boosting is only a small problem.

Faction Locks is a START to curb these problems, its not going to completely eliminate them BUT it does MORE than non faction lock does and is a step in the right direction to add more preventative measures in the future.. you cant even begin to curb any of these problems with non faction lock so your analogy is stupid and your argument is even more stupid.

Hashtag_

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

There is no paranoia.. the cheating was rampant, casual players wouldn't notice, those running scoreboard or trying for emp would. How many times did someone log into the other faction pick up a scroll and run to their buddies in another faction and drop the scroll for them and with no consequence logs off and onto his other character whos faction now has the scroll. How about when you're running for emp and the guy ahead of you AP doesn't move for two hours then jumps ahead by 500k? These things happen more often then not and faction locks wont eliminate them but it will cut them down big time because for that friend to log into the campaign as another color to grab that scroll or help farm that AP he is stuck from playing with his friend who he is helping emp and now has 30 days of no PVP with friends.

Before there was no consequence.

Faction locks will completely solve this particular problem. Well, they would if all you needed wasn't 2 willing friends....

It will also solve the problem of scroll trolls. Apart from the usual amount I have seen running the scrolls towards enemy keeps, I haven't seen one.

At best you're naive.

C'mon man like really? you're a stating a point that I literally touched on in the post and explained why faction locks help the problem MORE than non faction locks can do but wont completely solve it.

If I were to do it I don't even need PvPers to AP boost, a couple of PvE chums can get me enough AP to emp in an hour at the start of a campaign, and they don't care what faction they're locked in to.

If you think Faction locking solves AP boosting you have no idea how to do it.

I never said faction lock would solve it complete but it cuts it down massively.. how does non faction lock even help at all.. please share with us how non faction lock completely prevents this.

I never said it does. When it comes to AP boosters, faction lock is the cure for that like stuffing a rabid ferret down your pants is the cure for an earache... quite distracting, but does nothing to solve the problem.

it curbs the problem a lot more than it ever did with non faction locks and AP Boosting is only a small problem.

Faction Locks is a START to curb these problems, its not going to completely eliminate them BUT it does MORE than non faction lock does and is a step in the right direction to add more preventative measures in the future.. you cant even begin to curb any of these problems with non faction lock so your analogy is stupid and your argument is even more stupid.

I’m locked into AD on PCNA. I can get 5-10 friends on either EP or DC to feed me AP at any given time. Faction lock doesn’t stop boosting. Do you think the only form of communication is in game chat? Lol

IronWooshu

Hashtag_ wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

There is no paranoia.. the cheating was rampant, casual players wouldn't notice, those running scoreboard or trying for emp would. How many times did someone log into the other faction pick up a scroll and run to their buddies in another faction and drop the scroll for them and with no consequence logs off and onto his other character whos faction now has the scroll. How about when you're running for emp and the guy ahead of you AP doesn't move for two hours then jumps ahead by 500k? These things happen more often then not and faction locks wont eliminate them but it will cut them down big time because for that friend to log into the campaign as another color to grab that scroll or help farm that AP he is stuck from playing with his friend who he is helping emp and now has 30 days of no PVP with friends.

Before there was no consequence.

Faction locks will completely solve this particular problem. Well, they would if all you needed wasn't 2 willing friends....

It will also solve the problem of scroll trolls. Apart from the usual amount I have seen running the scrolls towards enemy keeps, I haven't seen one.

At best you're naive.

C'mon man like really? you're a stating a point that I literally touched on in the post and explained why faction locks help the problem MORE than non faction locks can do but wont completely solve it.

If I were to do it I don't even need PvPers to AP boost, a couple of PvE chums can get me enough AP to emp in an hour at the start of a campaign, and they don't care what faction they're locked in to.

If you think Faction locking solves AP boosting you have no idea how to do it.

I never said faction lock would solve it complete but it cuts it down massively.. how does non faction lock even help at all.. please share with us how non faction lock completely prevents this.

I never said it does. When it comes to AP boosters, faction lock is the cure for that like stuffing a rabid ferret down your pants is the cure for an earache... quite distracting, but does nothing to solve the problem.

it curbs the problem a lot more than it ever did with non faction locks and AP Boosting is only a small problem.

Faction Locks is a START to curb these problems, its not going to completely eliminate them BUT it does MORE than non faction lock does and is a step in the right direction to add more preventative measures in the future.. you cant even begin to curb any of these problems with non faction lock so your analogy is stupid and your argument is even more stupid.

I’m locked into AD on PCNA. I can get 5-10 friends on either EP or DC to feed me AP at any given time. Faction lock doesn’t stop boosting. Do you think the only form of communication is in game chat? Lol

So dumb......

Literally this is what your arguing..

"AP boosting is going to happen reguardless so let's just pretend it doesnt happen."

At some point you have to make attempts to try and stop it, faction locks is a start point in doing that, opening up faction locks is a way to never solve the problem. Even if faction locking cuts it down by 5% it's more progress than non faction lock could ever have done.

What dont you get about that?

Never did I say it was going to completely eliminate the problem. It's a STARTING point on addressing one problem of many.

Agrippa_Invisus

Actually, the correct solution to 'ap boosting' and exploiting and other problems that people claim have been corrected by faction locks has always been for ZOS to enforce its TOS and action the accounts of individuals that are performing these actions.

None of these issues were ever severe enough that it warranted invalidating the ability of thousands of players to play their alts in a particular month, especially after the One Tamriel system was put in place.

Collective punishment due to ZOS's failure to police individual bad actors is bad policy, is causing more problems than it solves, and is harming the community more than it has been harmed in recent memory.

ellahellabella

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Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Actually, the correct solution to 'ap boosting' and exploiting and other problems that people claim have been corrected by faction locks has always been for ZOS to enforce its TOS and action the accounts of individuals that are performing these actions.

None of these issues were ever severe enough that it warranted invalidating the ability of thousands of players to play their alts in a particular month, especially after the One Tamriel system was put in place.

Collective punishment due to ZOS's failure to police individual bad actors is bad policy, is causing more problems than it solves, and is harming the community more than it has been harmed in recent memory.

Hit the nail on the head. Gold star for Agrippa!

Hiro_Kintsugi

I like the faction locks for every good reason. Why not just play different factions in different servers? Is that not still allowed?

ellahellabella

Hiro_Kintsugi wrote: »

I like the faction locks for every good reason. Why not just play different factions in different servers? Is that not still allowed?

There's 24 pages in this thread. You really think that question hasn't been asked yet?

Dominion_Nightblade

Yaay faction locks!

Hashtag_

IronWooshu wrote: »

Hashtag_ wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

There is no paranoia.. the cheating was rampant, casual players wouldn't notice, those running scoreboard or trying for emp would. How many times did someone log into the other faction pick up a scroll and run to their buddies in another faction and drop the scroll for them and with no consequence logs off and onto his other character whos faction now has the scroll. How about when you're running for emp and the guy ahead of you AP doesn't move for two hours then jumps ahead by 500k? These things happen more often then not and faction locks wont eliminate them but it will cut them down big time because for that friend to log into the campaign as another color to grab that scroll or help farm that AP he is stuck from playing with his friend who he is helping emp and now has 30 days of no PVP with friends.

Before there was no consequence.

Faction locks will completely solve this particular problem. Well, they would if all you needed wasn't 2 willing friends....

It will also solve the problem of scroll trolls. Apart from the usual amount I have seen running the scrolls towards enemy keeps, I haven't seen one.

At best you're naive.

C'mon man like really? you're a stating a point that I literally touched on in the post and explained why faction locks help the problem MORE than non faction locks can do but wont completely solve it.

If I were to do it I don't even need PvPers to AP boost, a couple of PvE chums can get me enough AP to emp in an hour at the start of a campaign, and they don't care what faction they're locked in to.

If you think Faction locking solves AP boosting you have no idea how to do it.

I never said faction lock would solve it complete but it cuts it down massively.. how does non faction lock even help at all.. please share with us how non faction lock completely prevents this.

I never said it does. When it comes to AP boosters, faction lock is the cure for that like stuffing a rabid ferret down your pants is the cure for an earache... quite distracting, but does nothing to solve the problem.

it curbs the problem a lot more than it ever did with non faction locks and AP Boosting is only a small problem.

Faction Locks is a START to curb these problems, its not going to completely eliminate them BUT it does MORE than non faction lock does and is a step in the right direction to add more preventative measures in the future.. you cant even begin to curb any of these problems with non faction lock so your analogy is stupid and your argument is even more stupid.

I’m locked into AD on PCNA. I can get 5-10 friends on either EP or DC to feed me AP at any given time. Faction lock doesn’t stop boosting. Do you think the only form of communication is in game chat? Lol

So dumb......

Literally this is what your arguing..

"AP boosting is going to happen reguardless so let's just pretend it doesnt happen."

At some point you have to make attempts to try and stop it, faction locks is a start point in doing that, opening up faction locks is a way to never solve the problem. Even if faction locking cuts it down by 5% it's more progress than non faction lock could ever have done.

What dont you get about that?

Never did I say it was going to completely eliminate the problem. It's a STARTING point on addressing one problem of many.

Your argument is it stops ap boosting. It clearly doesn’t.

I can make 50-100k ap every 5 minutes if I choose as long as I have 4-6 friends helping.

All can be coordinated outside of the game and you thinking faction locks will diminish it is naive and ignorant.

Gilvoth

people complained so they changed it. it then was abused and alot of cheats and many things bad came from that freedom.
people took advantage of it and abused it to the maximum.
Many people thought it was a way of life and made 8 alts of every faction thinking eso would be this way forever
after years of abuse and complaints of those abuses and cheats eso put the factions back on lock like was intended and works great, but the people that became comfortable with that way of life are the only ones hurting, the rest of us who did NOT abuse it are not hurting.
i love the faction locks and i hope they stay this way forever as was intended.

IronWooshu

Hashtag_ wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Hashtag_ wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

There is no paranoia.. the cheating was rampant, casual players wouldn't notice, those running scoreboard or trying for emp would. How many times did someone log into the other faction pick up a scroll and run to their buddies in another faction and drop the scroll for them and with no consequence logs off and onto his other character whos faction now has the scroll. How about when you're running for emp and the guy ahead of you AP doesn't move for two hours then jumps ahead by 500k? These things happen more often then not and faction locks wont eliminate them but it will cut them down big time because for that friend to log into the campaign as another color to grab that scroll or help farm that AP he is stuck from playing with his friend who he is helping emp and now has 30 days of no PVP with friends.

Before there was no consequence.

Faction locks will completely solve this particular problem. Well, they would if all you needed wasn't 2 willing friends....

It will also solve the problem of scroll trolls. Apart from the usual amount I have seen running the scrolls towards enemy keeps, I haven't seen one.

At best you're naive.

C'mon man like really? you're a stating a point that I literally touched on in the post and explained why faction locks help the problem MORE than non faction locks can do but wont completely solve it.

If I were to do it I don't even need PvPers to AP boost, a couple of PvE chums can get me enough AP to emp in an hour at the start of a campaign, and they don't care what faction they're locked in to.

If you think Faction locking solves AP boosting you have no idea how to do it.

I never said faction lock would solve it complete but it cuts it down massively.. how does non faction lock even help at all.. please share with us how non faction lock completely prevents this.

I never said it does. When it comes to AP boosters, faction lock is the cure for that like stuffing a rabid ferret down your pants is the cure for an earache... quite distracting, but does nothing to solve the problem.

it curbs the problem a lot more than it ever did with non faction locks and AP Boosting is only a small problem.

Faction Locks is a START to curb these problems, its not going to completely eliminate them BUT it does MORE than non faction lock does and is a step in the right direction to add more preventative measures in the future.. you cant even begin to curb any of these problems with non faction lock so your analogy is stupid and your argument is even more stupid.

I’m locked into AD on PCNA. I can get 5-10 friends on either EP or DC to feed me AP at any given time. Faction lock doesn’t stop boosting. Do you think the only form of communication is in game chat? Lol

So dumb......

Literally this is what your arguing..

"AP boosting is going to happen reguardless so let's just pretend it doesnt happen."

At some point you have to make attempts to try and stop it, faction locks is a start point in doing that, opening up faction locks is a way to never solve the problem. Even if faction locking cuts it down by 5% it's more progress than non faction lock could ever have done.

What dont you get about that?

Never did I say it was going to completely eliminate the problem. It's a STARTING point on addressing one problem of many.

Your argument is it stops ap boosting. It clearly doesn’t.

I can make 50-100k ap every 5 minutes if I choose as long as I have 4-6 friends helping.

All can be coordinated outside of the game and you thinking faction locks will diminish it is naive and ignorant.

Honestly dude... I don't even know what to say. I've said it multiple times that it doesn't stop AP boosting but its a start on that road... what don't you get about that.

You sir have absolutely zero reading comprehension. zero understanding of what I am debating and coming back to the same retired point that I've constantly told you is NOT what I am arguing. Instead of hashing out a reasonable reply on to how to curb AP Boosting with no faction locks you instead seem to beat on a drum and force words onto others that aren't there.

I feel bad for ANYONE in this community that validates you as a leader for anti faction locking.

I dont even know why I come back to this thread.

Embarrassing.

ellahellabella

Nvm. Just reading this shows how people will just make others burn to match their own ideals. I'll just watch them burn themselves

ellahellabella

Gilvoth wrote: »

eso launched with LOCKED campaigns

people complained so they changed it. it then was abused and alot of cheats and many things bad came from that freedom.
people took advantage of it and abused it to the maximum.

Many people thought it was a way of life and made 8 alts of every faction thinking eso would be this way forever

after years of abuse and complaints of those abuses and cheats eso put the factions back on lock like was intended and works great, but the people that became comfortable with that way of life are the only ones hurting, the rest of us who did NOT abuse it are not hurting.
i love the faction locks and i hope they stay this way forever as was intended.

Oh, you put it here too because you paste in more than one area?

Lol Gilvoth. After everything you try to claim and blame people in zone for, I'm not surprised to hear the only thing you have to arm yourself for faction locking is 'cheats'.
* You complained about spies.
* You supported the 1 second shield cast (knowing that it would ruin the mag sorc class because you don't like them.)
* You defended sloads with your defence argument being: "Just slot purge."

Of course you blame others that make more ap than you coz they're 'cheating...' Thank you for showing just what kind of people support ruining the accounts of others. (spoiler alert. It won't help you get emp)

This doesn't include the dignified, patient and negotiable folks that have been in favour of the lock (like VaranisArano because he does actually hold good ideals). Folks like you however, I would never hold any respect for. You only think about yourself.

ellahellabella

double post to boot

Mr_Walker

IronWooshu wrote: »

Honestly dude... I don't even know what to say. I've said it multiple times that it doesn't stop AP boosting but its a start on that road... what don't you get about that.

You sir have absolutely zero reading comprehension. zero understanding of what I am debating and coming back to the same retired point that I've constantly told you is NOT what I am arguing. Instead of hashing out a reasonable reply on to how to curb AP Boosting with no faction locks you instead seem to beat on a drum and force words onto others that aren't there.

I feel bad for ANYONE in this community that validates you as a leader for anti faction locking.

I dont even know why I come back to this thread.

Embarrassing.

For someone who's not arguing it, you're sure arguing it a lot. Accept the fact that one of your stated reasons for faction lock is spurious and wildly ineffective and move on.

eol

Please leave faction lock in place. It should never have been removed, and adding it back was long overdue. Faction hopping diminished alliance pride and increased AP exploiting.