Revert Faction Locks. We've Been Through This Already

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

TBois wrote: »

Tbh I think that has muddied the waters a bit

Haha, you may actually be right. However, I don't think even that guy would define people fighting and killing each other, then teabagging them, would qualify as collusion. But then again, you never know with that guy.

killahsin · May 2019

just give these people better rewards for the no lock no claim campaigns and leave the faction locks in. All these people care about is farming rewards.

TBois · May 2019

killahsin wrote: »

just give these people better rewards for the no lock no claim campaigns and leave the faction locks in. All these people care about is farming rewards.

And all "you people" care about is RP?

J18696 · May 2019

Man take my rewards I just want to be able to play with all my friends and if anyone says just play the 7 day no ty it's always empty

Ackwalan · May 2019

If all these people that wanted to 'just play with friends" went to the 7 day, the 7 day wouldn't be empty.

ellahellabella · May 2019

Imma put this screenshot into this topic too. @Ahtu who do we blame for this stuff now?

Elong · May 2019

Ackwalan wrote: »

If all these people that wanted to 'just play with friends" went to the 7 day, the 7 day wouldn't be empty.

For the 100th time, probably 1000th, that only works at prime time, there isn't the population for more than 1 campaign off peak hours.

J18696 · May 2019

Logs in looks at 7 day campaign no population looks at forums scratch head

Mr_Walker · May 2019

Ackwalan wrote: »

If all these people that wanted to 'just play with friends" went to the 7 day, the 7 day wouldn't be empty.

During off peak on XNA the game barely has enough PvP population to hit 1 bar in 30cp....

DisgracefulMind · May 2019

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

If all these people that wanted to 'just play with friends" went to the 7 day, the 7 day wouldn't be empty.

During off peak on XNA the game barely has enough PvP population to hit 1 bar in 30cp....

Same with PC/NA.

Ranger209 · May 2019

If you guys worked half as hard trying to convince one bar of population when you play to switch servers as you do trying to convince everyone around the clock that faction locks should go, you would already all be on the 7 day during your play time.

Mr_Walker · May 2019

Ranger209 wrote: »

If you guys worked half as hard trying to convince one bar of population when you play to switch servers as you do trying to convince everyone around the clock that faction locks should go, you would already all be on the 7 day during your play time.

l2read

Ranger209 · May 2019

logs in looks at all campaigns no population looks at forum scratch head

killahsin · May 2019

TBois wrote: »

killahsin wrote: »

just give these people better rewards for the no lock no claim campaigns and leave the faction locks in. All these people care about is farming rewards.

And all "you people" care about is RP?

Interesting response tbois. Thanks.

Ahtu · May 2019

We took Brindle last night with about 50 EP in the middle of prime time with emp. The vision is becoming a reality.

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

Ahtu wrote: »

We took Brindle last night with about 50 EP in the middle of prime time with emp. The vision is becoming a reality.

Nah... it's just a protest against faction lock. It won't last.

TBois · May 2019

killahsin wrote: »

TBois wrote: »

killahsin wrote: »

just give these people better rewards for the no lock no claim campaigns and leave the faction locks in. All these people care about is farming rewards.

And all "you people" care about is RP?

Interesting response tbois. Thanks.

Thanks, Killah! I'm always happy to add more tribal generalizations and assumptions. Intelligent dialogue with the other side is so last year.

Ackwalan · May 2019

Elong wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

If all these people that wanted to 'just play with friends" went to the 7 day, the 7 day wouldn't be empty.

For the 100th time, probably 1000th, that only works at prime time, there isn't the population for more than 1 campaign off peak hours.

Then that just means there are so few people that want unlock server, that ZOS picked the correct server to lock.

TBois · May 2019

Ackwalan wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

If all these people that wanted to 'just play with friends" went to the 7 day, the 7 day wouldn't be empty.

For the 100th time, probably 1000th, that only works at prime time, there isn't the population for more than 1 campaign off peak hours.

Then that just means there are so few people that want unlock server, that ZOS picked the correct server to lock.

See sandbox diagram on previous page for different perspective.

Ackwalan · May 2019

TBois wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

If all these people that wanted to 'just play with friends" went to the 7 day, the 7 day wouldn't be empty.

For the 100th time, probably 1000th, that only works at prime time, there isn't the population for more than 1 campaign off peak hours.

Then that just means there are so few people that want unlock server, that ZOS picked the correct server to lock.

See sandbox diagram on previous page for different perspective.

That's just an opinion, just like mine, doesn't change the fact more people want faction lock.

jaws343 · May 2019

Ackwalan wrote: »

TBois wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

If all these people that wanted to 'just play with friends" went to the 7 day, the 7 day wouldn't be empty.

For the 100th time, probably 1000th, that only works at prime time, there isn't the population for more than 1 campaign off peak hours.

Then that just means there are so few people that want unlock server, that ZOS picked the correct server to lock.

See sandbox diagram on previous page for different perspective.

That's just an opinion, just like mine, doesn't change the fact more people want faction lock.

That is also just an opinion. Unless you have personally spoken to every single active player.

Ackwalan · May 2019

jaws343 wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

TBois wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

If all these people that wanted to 'just play with friends" went to the 7 day, the 7 day wouldn't be empty.

For the 100th time, probably 1000th, that only works at prime time, there isn't the population for more than 1 campaign off peak hours.

Then that just means there are so few people that want unlock server, that ZOS picked the correct server to lock.

See sandbox diagram on previous page for different perspective.

That's just an opinion, just like mine, doesn't change the fact more people want faction lock.

That is also just an opinion. Unless you have personally spoken to every single active player.

Yup. That's why I said it just the way I said it.

bulbousb16_ESO · May 2019

jaws343 wrote: »

That is also just an opinion. Unless you have personally spoken to every single active player.

It is an opinion, but one backed by statistics. The polls and page likes all indicate much greater support for faction lock than those opposed. Not that those are definitive by any stretch, but it is evidence, nonetheless.

frozywozy · May 2019

Personally I believe that they should have reworked the CP system before introducing faction locks.

The main goal is to condense our PvP population as much as possible in a minimal amount of campaign to get a fair competition during primetime. Fixing the CP system would mean that we could go with one 30 days with faction locks enabled and another 30 days campaign without locks. I think this would go a long way.

In the meantime, I like the following suggestion from @MipMip :
- locks that prevent switching to the faction that dominates the map but allow switching to the weaker factions (scoreboard)

Haashhtaag · May 2019

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

That is also just an opinion. Unless you have personally spoken to every single active player.

It is an opinion, but one backed by statistics. The polls and page likes all indicate much greater support for faction lock than those opposed. Not that those are definitive by any stretch, but it is evidence, nonetheless.

Give me actual ZOS numbers and not polls on the internet.

imredneckson · May 2019

frozywozy wrote: »

Personally I believe that they should have reworked the CP system before introducing faction locks.

The main goal is to condense our PvP population as much as possible in a minimal amount of campaign to get a fair competition during primetime. Fixing the CP system would mean that we could go with one 30 days with faction locks enabled and another 30 days campaign without locks. I think this would go a long way.

In the meantime, I like the following suggestion from @MipMip :
- locks that prevent switching to the faction that dominates the map but allow switching to the weaker factions (scoreboard)

@ZOS_GinaBruno Hire this man!

Miriel · May 2019

frozywozy wrote: »

Personally I believe that they should have reworked the CP system before introducing faction locks.

The main goal is to condense our PvP population as much as possible in a minimal amount of campaign to get a fair competition during primetime. Fixing the CP system would mean that we could go with one 30 days with faction locks enabled and another 30 days campaign without locks. I think this would go a long way.

In the meantime, I like the following suggestion from @MipMip :
- locks that prevent switching to the faction that dominates the map but allow switching to the weaker factions (scoreboard)

You can change at the end of the campaign, is it so hard to stay and fight with your friends for one damn campaign ?... people gamed the system, so sorry no fun allowed !

About your proposed idea, so lets asume EP is winning, so the "loons" jump to the loosing side, that was AD, now they make AD winners, and jump to DC, and then they make them the winners, and jump back to EP, so not to burst your bubble, but isnt faction locks ment to stop just that ?...

IamDestiny · May 2019

Miriel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Personally I believe that they should have reworked the CP system before introducing faction locks.

The main goal is to condense our PvP population as much as possible in a minimal amount of campaign to get a fair competition during primetime. Fixing the CP system would mean that we could go with one 30 days with faction locks enabled and another 30 days campaign without locks. I think this would go a long way.

In the meantime, I like the following suggestion from @MipMip :
- locks that prevent switching to the faction that dominates the map but allow switching to the weaker factions (scoreboard)

You can change at the end of the campaign, is it so hard to stay and fight with your friends for one damn campaign ?... people gamed the system, so sorry no fun allowed !

About your proposed idea, so lets asume EP is winning, so the "loons" jump to the loosing side, that was AD, now they make AD winners, and jump to DC, and then they make them the winners, and jump back to EP, so not to burst your bubble, but isnt faction locks ment to stop just that ?...

Healthy scoreboard:

Nightcap:

Zerg:

Do i have to say anything more?
Zerg during the day.
Cap during the night.

You know its actually that bad that DC can not do anything most of the day. I actually feel sorry for them.

Miriel · May 2019

HellFlame wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Personally I believe that they should have reworked the CP system before introducing faction locks.

The main goal is to condense our PvP population as much as possible in a minimal amount of campaign to get a fair competition during primetime. Fixing the CP system would mean that we could go with one 30 days with faction locks enabled and another 30 days campaign without locks. I think this would go a long way.

In the meantime, I like the following suggestion from @MipMip :
- locks that prevent switching to the faction that dominates the map but allow switching to the weaker factions (scoreboard)

You can change at the end of the campaign, is it so hard to stay and fight with your friends for one damn campaign ?... people gamed the system, so sorry no fun allowed !

About your proposed idea, so lets asume EP is winning, so the "loons" jump to the loosing side, that was AD, now they make AD winners, and jump to DC, and then they make them the winners, and jump back to EP, so not to burst your bubble, but isnt faction locks ment to stop just that ?...

Healthy scoreboard:

Nightcap:

Zerg:

Do i have to say anything more?
Zerg during the day.
Cap during the night.

You know its actually that bad that DC can not do anything most of the day. I actually feel sorry for them.

It is what it is, but we been in this position in the past, it solved itself over time, but you dont solve it by faction hopping and abusing the *** out of the campaign... To make a simple example, its like a dota team suddenly leave their loosing team mid game and yoin the winning side, its so utterly stupid, you dont chane side during a campaign, you do it at the beginning of one...

I am sorta certain that since ZOS brought faction locks back they aint going to remove it, atleast not for a forseable future, they might change and make anouther 30day campaign, but either way i am NOT going to play on a campaign without faction locks and so are alot of other people, and most off the more casual players... the most vocal against faction locks is the Git Good people and small scale faction hoppers...

So the population will be split

frozywozy · May 2019

Miriel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Personally I believe that they should have reworked the CP system before introducing faction locks.

The main goal is to condense our PvP population as much as possible in a minimal amount of campaign to get a fair competition during primetime. Fixing the CP system would mean that we could go with one 30 days with faction locks enabled and another 30 days campaign without locks. I think this would go a long way.

In the meantime, I like the following suggestion from @MipMip :
- locks that prevent switching to the faction that dominates the map but allow switching to the weaker factions (scoreboard)

You can change at the end of the campaign, is it so hard to stay and fight with your friends for one damn campaign ?... people gamed the system, so sorry no fun allowed !

About your proposed idea, so lets asume EP is winning, so the "loons" jump to the loosing side, that was AD, now they make AD winners, and jump to DC, and then they make them the winners, and jump back to EP, so not to burst your bubble, but isnt faction locks ment to stop just that ?...

The fact that you can change faction every 30days does not change the fact that alot of players who play EP have at least 6-7 EP characters that they would be unable to play anymore by doing an effort to create some balance.

Regarding your second paragraph, I don't believe that a few groups of people willing to help the underdog would drastically change the scoreboard and put a faction in the winning spot. At least not from what I have seen the past few months.

I have been part of a guild who used to help AD once a week and from what I understood, people were only playing AD because EP was way ahead on the scoreboard. They would not have risked to have their main faction lose.

With the suggestion from @MipMip , it creates some more challenging fights on the map and attempt to counter the massive influx of people who used to play AD or DC and who will now main EP for the victory.

Believe it or not, alot of casual people want to get those rewards.

This being said, you entirely ignored my first solution which was to fix the cp system first, and then release two 30 days campaigns, one with faction locks and one without which would make the previous discussion worthless.