Is sorc OP in pvp?

GeneralPardon

I was defending earlier at Aleswell as an stamblade and a couple of AD sorcs basically stormed in with negates and destro ult and there was no way to get out of the negates and destro ults.
What can I do about this or is the sorc just OP?

Malmai

Very op must nerf !!!

MinarasLaure

Anybody can use Destro ultimate, poor sorcs.

grannas211

You'll fit in nicely here.

Banana

PVE to

Shardan4968

I was killed by magicka nb using destro ultimate, can we pls nerf magicka nb? But leave destro ultimate alone, ok?

Vapirko

Get ready for the mag sorc pvp population - which is likely about 50% of all pvpers - to storm in here and tell you that mag sorcs are not in fact the strongest overall pvp class, despite math to back up the fact that you can get infinite sustain and shields with burst damage to rival any other class, despite long time stamina streamers who have switched to primarily mag sorcs, despite some of the best players in the game who have outright said they won't duel sorcs and that sorcs are crazy strong even after the shield duration nerf. But no, you're just imagining things. The fact that nearly every siege involves multiple destro ults along with encase spam is definitely not an indication that the class is over performing. And where would we be without the chorus of zerglings who say, "well just l2p and get out of the ulti," despite the fact that the radius of a destro ult will fill a keep flag area from wall to wall, that the ulti aoe goes through walls and drips down from above, and that the groups stack them and run trains up both stairs spacing ccs and using cost poisons. Oh and let's not forget that the ability to spam shields and use streak while the destro ult is up which is definitely not a problem. But seriously, mag sorcs are NOT over performing.

Publius_Scipio

Before last couple of game updates mag sorc could indeed have been one of the best classes for both PvP and PvE without a doubt. Then Morrowind and now Horns of the Reach came and things definitely right now feel much better balance wise than they have in a long time. You can make an "op" mag sorc (pet build especially), but at the same time you can make an op DK and templar as well.

Balance feels pretty good right now outside of the fact that some builds can still have healing that is I would fairly say op. Thankfully ZOS says they are on the trail of toning down healing a bit.

rotaugen454

Another nerf thread. -10 Awsomes

My sorc has no problem with dying in PvP.

Vapirko

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Before last couple of game updates mag sorc could indeed have been one of the best classes for both PvP and PvE without a doubt. Then Morrowind and now Horns of the Reach came and things definitely right now feel much better balance wise than they have in a long time. You can make an "op" mag sorc (pet build especially), but at the same time you can make an op DK and templar as well.

Balance feels pretty good right now outside of the fact that some builds can still have healing that is I would fairly say op. Thankfully ZOS says they are on the trail of toning down healing a bit.

A healing nerf will probably just become a stam nerf.

SelfTherapy

All the sorcs in cyrodiil

Publius_Scipio

Vapirko wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Before last couple of game updates mag sorc could indeed have been one of the best classes for both PvP and PvE without a doubt. Then Morrowind and now Horns of the Reach came and things definitely right now feel much better balance wise than they have in a long time. You can make an "op" mag sorc (pet build especially), but at the same time you can make an op DK and templar as well.

Balance feels pretty good right now outside of the fact that some builds can still have healing that is I would fairly say op. Thankfully ZOS says they are on the trail of toning down healing a bit.

A healing nerf will probably just become a stam nerf.

Whatever it is, people are still building for heals that can troll multiple players at once in PvP.

Onefrkncrzypope

I only have a problem with sorcs shield. They have a great toolkit with full range and mobility but thier shield is the only class with a shield not based off health. Nbs don't even have a shield. Why should the best range and mobile mag class get the best definsive shield. They have no downside.

Takes-No-Prisoner

SelfTherapy wrote: »

All the sorcs in cyrodiil

And here we see a Sorc streaking away!

Minnesinger

This so old news. Players that constantly die for any reason need to get reality check.

Druid40

Poor Volta.

gp1680

How about we leave sorcs alone and just buff up the rest of the classes. Stop with all of the nerfs already. I hate destroy ults too and they are way overpowered, but everytime we complain to zos, the small-minded devs nerf things to hell.

Bkella

Man is this dumb. Every class is a killer in PvP except Stamdk, just get good bro.

SanTii.92

No.

CyrusArya

Yes, vs bad players they are very OP. Incidentally, there is a strong correlation between bad players and players vocal in crying for nerfs which is not a coincidence at all.

Among equally skilled players, sorc is by no means stronger or weaker than other classes. But. When there is a gap in skill, sorcs seem proportionately more powerful.

Defilted

Destro Ulti groups,

If you allow yourself to get caught up in the destro ulti (And you are not prepared for it), it will kill lots of people. I PVP with a group every week. We through some discipline easily out maneuver most Destro Ulti groups. We do this in defense and in offense.

Yes Destro Ulti is a powerful skill, but learning how to counter it with other tactics will minimize its effectiveness. My group proves this every week.

Something else to consider is Northern Storm. Not a good damage ult, but it is fantastic counter the destro Ulti. We run Magic Wardens and this works so good. Turns their charge against them frequently.

Sorc being OP

I know some people may be tired of hearing this, but it is the player not the class. I fight Sorcs in PVP that will melt me in one instance and in the next I win the fight becasue I prepared myself to their tactics and fighting flow. Anyone can get melted by any another class if they are not prepared and get caught off guard.

A good Sorc player can be very hard to kill, they know when to engage you and they know when it is time to flee. PVP in ESO is not a pick up today for the first time and master it kind of game-play. You must dedicate to your play style and class to really become good at it through time and experimentation.

I for one enjoy the challenge that a Sorc player brings to the battle field and really hope they are left alone. Something that people need to learn is patience and not being afraid to fail at what you are doing. Getting killed by sorcs? Change what you are doing. You will find that this approach makes you a much better player and allows you to focus the energy you are using to complain on getting better instead.

Good luck to all players!

technohic

So you're saying they need to nerf healing. Got it.

Theodard

CyrusArya wrote: »

Yes, vs bad players they are very OP. Incidentally, there is a strong correlation between bad players and players vocal in crying for nerfs which is not a coincidence at all.

Among equally skilled players, sorc is by no means stronger or weaker than other classes. But. When there is a gap in skill, sorcs seem proportionately more powerful.

To add on to this, those same players complain about say the cloaking Magblade that jumps in with Soul Tether and Sap or perhaps the mDK with someone else that locks them down preventing them from taking longer to die. "I got caught by a group of other players and they rekt me. Nerf the Sorc!" Or perhaps maybe "This one time a Sorc keep moving around, and dropping mines and he wouldn't hold still then turned on us and rekt us all. That's not fair!"

I'm by no means what I would call a "good Sorc" there are many far better than I. I know, I've been killed by them. What I take away from it is, "man what did that dude do just there, what could I have done differently?" I just don't understand why others don't look at it in a similar way? You win sometimes, you lose sometimes. Either get better, or get out.

Vapirko

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Before last couple of game updates mag sorc could indeed have been one of the best classes for both PvP and PvE without a doubt. Then Morrowind and now Horns of the Reach came and things definitely right now feel much better balance wise than they have in a long time. You can make an "op" mag sorc (pet build especially), but at the same time you can make an op DK and templar as well.

Balance feels pretty good right now outside of the fact that some builds can still have healing that is I would fairly say op. Thankfully ZOS says they are on the trail of toning down healing a bit.

A healing nerf will probably just become a stam nerf.

Whatever it is, people are still building for heals that can troll multiple players at once in PvP.

I just worry how this will effect the average build especially for solo players. Hopefully zos will take this into account.

Drdeath20

Are magsorcs op in pvp.....Well its complicated.

As a solo player yes. In a group setting other magicka classes outshine them.

Vandark

Sorcs have best Dmg, best AOE, are fastest class, have best sustain....but sure....sorcs are good atm. Just rerolled to my Sorc and now its okay!!

Nerf Sorcs! Its need for longer than one year

ak_pvp

Nothing in sorc says: BROKEN OP. Add everything together and sorc does come out ahead though.

Simple fix, maj/min shields, to stop hardened stacking with harness. As @Derra pointed out in another thread, that allows for perma stacking. And defile working on shields so it matches with healing.

Streak should have its cost increase removed, it does nothing because by the time it means anything the sorc is long gone. But in exchange, shouldn't work in roots. (Already has range and mines to take on melee characters.)

Implosion is an unneeded passive for sorcs, they have enough. Honestly it should go to DKs imo so stacking dots becomes viable at lower health.

EnglishTea123

LOL I'm just waiting to see "stamina streamers" that switched to main mag sorcs. Every, or nearly all, magicka sorc streamer I've seen has been playing mag sorc since day one... never/rarely have I ever seen a "stamina streamer" all of a sudden decide to main a mag sorc

Malamar1229

GeneralPardon wrote: »

I was defending earlier at Aleswell as an stamblade and a couple of AD sorcs basically stormed in with negates and destro ult and there was no way to get out of the negates and destro ults.
What can I do about this or is the sorc just OP?

Yes they need to make destro ult a weapon skill instead of a sorc ability, and they need to make it possible to roll dodge out of negate

Malamar1229

Vapirko wrote: »

Get ready for the mag sorc pvp population - which is likely about 50% of all pvpers - to storm in here and tell you that mag sorcs are not in fact the strongest overall pvp class, despite math to back up the fact that you can get infinite sustain and shields with burst damage to rival any other class, despite long time stamina streamers who have switched to primarily mag sorcs, despite some of the best players in the game who have outright said they won't duel sorcs and that sorcs are crazy strong even after the shield duration nerf. But no, you're just imagining things. The fact that nearly every siege involves multiple destro ults along with encase spam is definitely not an indication that the class is over performing. And where would we be without the chorus of zerglings who say, "well just l2p and get out of the ulti," despite the fact that the radius of a destro ult will fill a keep flag area from wall to wall, that the ulti aoe goes through walls and drips down from above, and that the groups stack them and run trains up both stairs spacing ccs and using cost poisons. Oh and let's not forget that the ability to spam shields and use streak while the destro ult is up which is definitely not a problem. But seriously, mag sorcs are NOT over performing.

Can I just point out that of all my gameplay videos I would say roughly 20% are sorcs. I don't know where this false allegation that majority of PvP is sorcs domes froms....at least on PC na they are the minority....

Thogard

Sorc is not OP in PvP when both players are very skilled.
Sorc is OP in PvP when both players are bad
Sorc is godlike if the sorc is skilled and the opponent isn't
Sorc is free AP if the opponent is skilled and the sorc isn't

Sorc gets stomped in high level 4v4 even if the sorc is really good because of the nature of the dmg shields.

I think the biggest problem with sorc balance is the perception of their strength. You can have a really close fight with a sorc where you ALMOST make it past their shields but the sorc wins. But you won't know that you almost won because the sorc HP stays at max. It leads to the illusion that sorcs are unkillable and OP.