fix magicka sorcs

toxikh.earth89neb18_ESO

too much damage shield, mag recovery, cc, dps

kuro-dono

fix game where max stacked resource gives you shield/dps/resources and heals. sorted.

fourth stat or maybe based on healths. the more health, the more you heal, less hp, less heals too. something along that. same for dps shields and protective shields and such. simple as heck. ALSO. no animation. no action.

Aziah

Lol.

Beardimus

Have you actually played one?

To have wards (active defence) up you loose DPS, and sustain, and to have good wards you need a huge Magika pool so poor Stam / CC break...

If you cant kill a Sorc these days you doing something wrong.

Ashamray

Beardimus wrote: »

Have you actually played one?

To have wards (active defence) up you loose DPS, and sustain, and to have good wards you need a huge Magika pool so poor Stam / CC break...

If you cant kill a Sorc these days you doing something wrong.

If you can kill a Sorc these days he doing something wrong.

Pallio

So another, I have never played a Sorc but they are way too powerful.

Nerf sorc
Buff NB
.... filled in with a lot of nonsense etc...

Juhasow

Beardimus wrote: »

Have you actually played one?

To have wards (active defence) up you loose DPS, and sustain, and to have good wards you need a huge Magika pool so poor Stam / CC break...

If you cant kill a Sorc these days you doing something wrong.

I reccomend You to wear pirate skeleton+amberplasm+willpower+maelstorm/master and then say again this what You said above

br0steen

*gets killed by sorcs in pvp*

"Well clearly its not me, better make a thread about it"

Seriously where did this sudden influx of "sorc shields are op" come from?

Waffennacht

br0steen wrote: »

*gets killed by sorcs in pvp*

"Well clearly its not me, better make a thread about it"

Seriously where did this sudden influx of "sorc shields are op" come from?

Shhhh they don't know annulment can be stacked with healing ward on any class...

Shhhh they don't know Hardened Ward and Dampen Magic are almost identical

Shhhh they blame sorcs because they don't know...

Strider_Roshin

Beardimus wrote: »

Have you actually played one?

To have wards (active defence) up you loose DPS, and sustain, and to have good wards you need a huge Magika pool so poor Stam / CC break...

If you cant kill a Sorc these days you doing something wrong.

I play one, and their defenses are way too good. I don't keep a shield up 24/7, what I do is wait until I get down to around 1/3 max health then I pop healing Ward then empowered ward, then after using one streak to CC the group, and getting out of the way I'm back to full with a damage shield the size of my health.

Sorcs would be totally fine IMO if they couldn't shield stack; which takes no time at all btw. I block cast healing ward then animation cancel the second shield as I swap bars.

Strider_Roshin

I do activate empowered ward prior to engaging though.

Ragnaroek93

Juhasow wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Have you actually played one?

To have wards (active defence) up you loose DPS, and sustain, and to have good wards you need a huge Magika pool so poor Stam / CC break...

If you cant kill a Sorc these days you doing something wrong.

I reccomend You to wear pirate skeleton+amberplasm+willpower+maelstorm/master and then say again this what You said above

So the problem are the sets and not the class? Amberplasm and skeleton are both ridiculous in what they give stat wise and need a nerf in my opinion.

Sky_WK

Thi

Waffennacht wrote: »

br0steen wrote: »

*gets killed by sorcs in pvp*

"Well clearly its not me, better make a thread about it"

Seriously where did this sudden influx of "sorc shields are op" come from?

Shhhh they don't know annulment can be stacked with healing ward on any class...

Shhhh they don't know Hardened Ward and Dampen Magic are almost identical

Shhhh they blame sorcs because they don't know...

This^ Sorcs literally have one shield that only they can have... Which DK and Templar also have a (IMO) better class shield.

RinaldoGandolphi

Another nerf Sorc thread i see.....

CatchMeTrolling

Sky_WK wrote: »

Thi

Waffennacht wrote: »

br0steen wrote: »

*gets killed by sorcs in pvp*

"Well clearly its not me, better make a thread about it"

Seriously where did this sudden influx of "sorc shields are op" come from?

Shhhh they don't know annulment can be stacked with healing ward on any class...

Shhhh they don't know Hardened Ward and Dampen Magic are almost identical

Shhhh they blame sorcs because they don't know...

DK and Templar also have a (IMO) better class shield.

Lol.

Minalan

Amberplasm has been here since Hist, and there are far better sets to use (Lich, Seducer, and BSW come to mind).

Stacking shields for four seconds is nothing compared to the mitigation offered by heavy armor and blocking.

L2P? Shields don't protect against roots, CC, knockdown, poisons, or any other negative effects. Blocking usually does.

KingJ

Sky_WK wrote: »

Thi

Waffennacht wrote: »

br0steen wrote: »

*gets killed by sorcs in pvp*

"Well clearly its not me, better make a thread about it"

Seriously where did this sudden influx of "sorc shields are op" come from?

Shhhh they don't know annulment can be stacked with healing ward on any class...

Shhhh they don't know Hardened Ward and Dampen Magic are almost identical

Shhhh they blame sorcs because they don't know...

This^ Sorcs literally have one shield that only they can have... Which DK and Templar also have a (IMO) better class shield.

Just going to ask you know templars and DK shields scale off of health correct?Magsorc the only class with a class shield which scales off of max magica.

Izaki

Juhasow wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Have you actually played one?

To have wards (active defence) up you loose DPS, and sustain, and to have good wards you need a huge Magika pool so poor Stam / CC break...

If you cant kill a Sorc these days you doing something wrong.

I reccomend You to wear pirate skeleton+amberplasm+willpower+maelstorm/master and then say again this what You said above

That build is pretty terrible for damage actually.

Izaki

Minalan wrote: »

Amberplasm has been here since Hist, and there are far better sets to use (Lich, Seducer, and BSW come to mind).

Stacking shields for four seconds is nothing compared to the mitigation offered by heavy armor and blocking.

L2P? Shields don't protect against roots, CC, knockdown, poisons, or any other negative effects. Blocking usually does.

Ah see I told you Amberplasm is not worth losing the Thief + Lich :P

Hutch679

toxikh.earth89neb18_ESO wrote: »

too much damage shield, mag recovery, cc, dps

Lol @ the banter you have created. PS I hope mag sorcs plague your char for the remaining time you spend playing this game. Enjoy!

Brrrofski

Half of AD on Xbox EU play sorcs.

That's all the confirmation we need they're too strong. AD always play the broken stuff.

Wait till there's no reduced cost CP so everyone is back in light and medium. Magica sorcs are going to so far ahead it'll be pointless playing anything else.

Like, I play magica NB and stamplar mostly. I was on my magica NB the other day and I fought mostly sorcs for two hours. How does zos honestly think classes are balanced? I felt so unbelievably gimped against a sorc it was downright disheartening.

Minalan

Brrrofski wrote: »

Half of AD on Xbox EU play sorcs.

That's all the confirmation we need they're too strong. AD always play the broken stuff.

Wait till there's no reduced cost CP so everyone is back in light and medium. Magica sorcs are going to so far ahead it'll be pointless playing anything else.

Like, I play magica NB and stamplar mostly. I was on my magica NB the other day and I fought mostly sorcs for two hours. How does zos honestly think classes are balanced? I felt so unbelievably gimped against a sorc it was downright disheartening.

First off, light armor is the same as nudity for protection. There's no way Templars and DK's are giving up heavy armor for that.

Stamina abilities cost less than Magicka to begin with, every stamina tree gets a 20% cost reduction passive for all of those abilities. Stamina will still be in an excellent spot, but they won't be able to block forever anymore. Just like sorcs won't be able to go all out and shield forever.

CatchMeTrolling

Brrrofski wrote: »

Half of AD on Xbox EU play sorcs.

That's all the confirmation we need they're too strong. AD always play the broken stuff.

AD typically always had the most sorcs because they have the high elves, same way they had a bunch of nightblades because of wood elf & khajits.

Sky_WK

KingJ wrote: »

Sky_WK wrote: »

Thi

Waffennacht wrote: »

br0steen wrote: »

*gets killed by sorcs in pvp*

"Well clearly its not me, better make a thread about it"

Seriously where did this sudden influx of "sorc shields are op" come from?

Shhhh they don't know annulment can be stacked with healing ward on any class...

Shhhh they don't know Hardened Ward and Dampen Magic are almost identical

Shhhh they blame sorcs because they don't know...

This^ Sorcs literally have one shield that only they can have... Which DK and Templar also have a (IMO) better class shield.

Just going to ask you know templars and DK shields scale off of health correct?Magsorc the only class with a class shield which scales off of max magica.

Yes but the other things they offer besides raw damage shield I feel are superior. I feel pretty squishy on my mag sorc compared to my magplar.

Magdalina

It's okay, it is currently balanced by Streak rooting sorc in place half the time, making them unable to use any skills so you can just beat on them til their shields are gone and they died the painful death they deserve for daring to use them(which is totally unfair because no other class has access to something like that).

ZOS got you covered there.

Koolio

One well timed dizzying swing and a dragon leap will kill any LA magic sorc. But it's all about the timing.

Emmagoldman

@CatchMeTrolling that is what i was thinking. A little too obvious........why does ep have so many dunmer!!!!

I got on my nb to see what people are complaining about and im sorry, I think you may need to rethink how nbs play. This meta is different but its good and requires a smarter thinking nb. Im not good at nb and its set up for pve but I was able to get kills solo. I generally play stam dk and mag sorc in pvp.

Too many people placing their judgement on the last two patches of stam proc set meta. If this is when you statyed, it was garbage. Yes, you cant one shot everything anymore. That has changed
-You are not going to one shot tanks! Validreth, viper and widow proc wont do it anymore.
-Some sorcs went to heavy, they are not all one shot either. Thats not unfair. Hint, some nbs are also heavy.
-You are not going to 1vx the world because your armor is not going to kill as much for you. What changed fir sorcs? Slightest buff to staff and echo. Last latch had way too many stam players thinking they were good when it was....proc crit!
-magdk were ap cookies and non existant before. Now they have value and are centered on root and dot. Do you look for them and avoid or ambush into talons get embered lashed, fossilized then metoreod? I dont mess with them unless they are half health.
-are you attacking the sorc with radiant maglight? You know, that reduces dmg from stealth by50%?
-play the outside, have a speed buff, way to escape, and re set fight. Also scan targets first

Maybe, if sorcs are a problem you need to change cp into shattering blows and mag cost poison. 60 percent increase in cast is massive. The fact that people placed cp into hardy over elemental for so long and never into shattering blows shows how comical sorcs were last patchs. To get to 5-10 percent increased damage to shields isnt hard.

Nbs dont need a buff. Heavy armor needs a slight nerf. but this patch is a good start

Izaki

Brrrofski wrote: »

Half of AD on Xbox EU play sorcs.

That's all the confirmation we need they're too strong. AD always play the broken stuff.

Wait till there's no reduced cost CP so everyone is back in light and medium. Magica sorcs are going to so far ahead it'll be pointless playing anything else.

Like, I play magica NB and stamplar mostly. I was on my magica NB the other day and I fought mostly sorcs for two hours. How does zos honestly think classes are balanced? I felt so unbelievably gimped against a sorc it was downright disheartening.

There's a reason most the stam sorcs and stam DKs are DC and most the nightblades and sorcs are AD :P then EP has kind of a mix of things. Redguards, High Elves and Woodelves. Plus EP is kind of considered a noob and zerg faction. To be honest, all 3 factions are filled with noobs and zergs, but EP just has that reputation.

Also, the reduced cost CP will force sorcs to drop damage for sustain. Sustain on Sorc is terrible without a high amount of recovery and high cost reduction to be able to spam shields (Magician CP). All other classes have ways to sustain be it magickasteal, siphoning attacks, battle roar or channeled focus. Sorcs have Dark Conversion. Dark Conversion is great while kiting for long periods of time where you spam Streak, but not great during actual combat.

FriedEggSandwich

Brrrofski wrote: »

Half of AD on Xbox EU play sorcs.

That's all the confirmation we need they're too strong. AD always play the broken stuff.

Wait till there's no reduced cost CP so everyone is back in light and medium. Magica sorcs are going to so far ahead it'll be pointless playing anything else.

Like, I play magica NB and stamplar mostly. I was on my magica NB the other day and I fought mostly sorcs for two hours. How does zos honestly think classes are balanced? I felt so unbelievably gimped against a sorc it was downright disheartening.

All that changed for (non-pet) sorcs recently was curse got a 2nd tick at 12s and atronach got 25% more damage. What changed globally was fire staff now adds 8% damage to all single target damage.

I doubt more people are playing sorcs because they want to try waiting 12s for a 2nd tick from curse, or even because they want to see how sick atronach is now. No, if more people are playing sorc then it's because they now do 8% more damage with curse, light/heavy attacks, frags and mages wrath thanks to the new destro passive. An 8% more damage that can be stacked with minor beserk and minor vulnerability.

Sorcs don't need a nerf (although I'd be happy to have the old curse back), as a class they're basically the same as they were last patch and the patch before. Destro staff needs a nerf; the 8% damage passive just straight up needs removing, and probably pirate skele too.

thankyourat

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Half of AD on Xbox EU play sorcs.

That's all the confirmation we need they're too strong. AD always play the broken stuff.

Wait till there's no reduced cost CP so everyone is back in light and medium. Magica sorcs are going to so far ahead it'll be pointless playing anything else.

Like, I play magica NB and stamplar mostly. I was on my magica NB the other day and I fought mostly sorcs for two hours. How does zos honestly think classes are balanced? I felt so unbelievably gimped against a sorc it was downright disheartening.

All that changed for (non-pet) sorcs recently was curse got a 2nd tick at 12s and atronach got 25% more damage. What changed globally was fire staff now adds 8% damage to all single target damage.

I doubt more people are playing sorcs because they want to try waiting 12s for a 2nd tick from curse, or even because they want to see how sick atronach is now. No, if more people are playing sorc then it's because they now do 8% more damage with curse, light/heavy attacks, frags and mages wrath thanks to the new destro passive. An 8% more damage that can be stacked with minor beserk and minor vulnerability.

Sorcs don't need a nerf (although I'd be happy to have the old curse back), as a class they're basically the same as they were last patch and the patch before. Destro staff needs a nerf; the 8% damage passive just straight up needs removing, and probably pirate skele too.

No class really needs a nerf what needs a Nerf is the ability to use 5-5-2 for your gear. That's what makes sorc broken the fact that you can combine lich with a damage set and pirate skeleton or engine guardian is broken on mag sorcs. With a stamina glyph there is no way to kill this sorc in a 1v1 unless they are just horrible. You can't​ pressure their stamina pool because with the stamina glyph they will always have enough Stam to break free. You can't run them out of magicka because of lich, and they will have good damage because of bsw or spinners.

That's not really sorc being op though that's gear that shouldn't be able to be combined making sorcs seem op.

Emmagoldman

Why is that broken? Almost every build in eso has a damage and sustain set and can use engine or skelton. My stamdk has sustain and dps set, my nb, mag dk........ 101 of builds.

1v1 isnt the best way to determine a class. Really looking at a class means thinking of group play. The best class 1 v 1 is a HA spam healer. You'll never win in that fight either uless you want to hit someone all day as they spam bol.

In open world pvp, Sorc do well in small group but can get rolled quickly when focused.