Counter play.... radiant mageblight... any other questions? Being in stealth is helpful to. Holding block when standing there even. This build is not new been out for months before Sypher... or Blob put it out. Getting ganked has been in the game for a long time. I used to literally one shot people with snipe. Then later after nerf... two shots. People that run radiant can't get ganked in the traditional sense.
Slotting an otherwise useless skill (while also having to remorph when switching to pve every time) on both bars can hardly be considered counterplay.
"Hey to not run the possibility to instantly die to an enemy you will never see coming you have to give up 20% of your active skills. Because *** you that´s why."
Anyone who can explain to me why and what about that is good balance i´ll gift a million gold on the eu server.
@cjthibs
I guess my point flew over your head completely. A monopoly prevents competition because a select few control the market. Thats not at all the case here because the upper limit of performance is available to any one if they should seek it. No one is preventing anyone from being competitive. And when I say soft caps are analogous to communism, I mean in philosophy as I have already expressed. That people who excel should be arbitrarily punished to compensate for those who under perform.
As far as I am concerned, the game is pretty balanced and competitive. If you feel that the game isn't competitive, its because you aren't competitive.
So take away cloak and u make nightblades no longer a nightblade, might as well call them an assasin... oh wait you dont want them to kill people quickly, quietly, or from stealth.
Maybe call them peasants?
Seriously if you got hit with a focused arrow full of poison in this realm or another, whilst unkowning it was even coming, you want to shrug it off?
Lets just do everything we can to make sure no one can gank anyone. We should all meet out in the field and duel properly. Or better yet lets only zerg, but only if numbers are equal and everyone plays fair.
Nevermind there are plenty of builds out there that this type of play doesnt work on. As a pro ganker i still have a tough time with many of players. Theres the players that dodge every single one of my attacks. The players that take no damage from my attacks. That shield that stuns me if i attack with my bow first. The player that can break my fear at 5 percent health and heal to full health.
Even if I go glass cannon, theres a lot of players out thrre with builds that do just fine countering my ganks.
Just because you cant counter this build or are unwilling to change your build to counter it doesnt mean its broken. Everyone has a weakness, what are you willing to give up to counter this?
So take away cloak and u make nightblades no longer a nightblade, might as well call them an assasin... oh wait you dont want them to kill people quickly, quietly, or from stealth.
Maybe call them peasants?
Seriously if you got hit with a focused arrow full of poison in this realm or another, whilst unkowning it was even coming, you want to shrug it off?
Lets just do everything we can to make sure no one can gank anyone. We should all meet out in the field and duel properly. Or better yet lets only zerg, but only if numbers are equal and everyone plays fair.
Nevermind there are plenty of builds out there that this type of play doesnt work on. As a pro ganker i still have a tough time with many of players. Theres the players that dodge every single one of my attacks. The players that take no damage from my attacks. That shield that stuns me if i attack with my bow first. The player that can break my fear at 5 percent health and heal to full health.
Even if I go glass cannon, theres a lot of players out thrre with builds that do just fine countering my ganks.
Just because you cant counter this build or are unwilling to change your build to counter it doesnt mean its broken. Everyone has a weakness, what are you willing to give up to counter this?
So. You want to hide in the open. By crouching down, you turn completely invisible and undetectable to the naked eye no matter where you are. With no cover. No shadows. In broad daylight.
Lets keep the realism argument in perspective please, it's a fantasy game.
I don't mind ganking, but one button ganking with no counterplay is a problem. That's all. It should require more effort than one button push and a fraction of a second to take someone out.
@cjthibs
I guess my point flew over your head completely. A monopoly prevents competition because a select few control the market. Thats not at all the case here because the upper limit of performance is available to any one if they should seek it. No one is preventing anyone from being competitive. And when I say soft caps are analogous to communism, I mean in philosophy as I have already expressed. That people who excel should be arbitrarily punished to compensate for those who under perform.
As far as I am concerned, the game is pretty balanced and competitive. If you feel that the game isn't competitive, its because you aren't competitive.
So take away cloak and u make nightblades no longer a nightblade, might as well call them an assasin... oh wait you dont want them to kill people quickly, quietly, or from stealth.
Maybe call them peasants?
Seriously if you got hit with a focused arrow full of poison in this realm or another, whilst unkowning it was even coming, you want to shrug it off?
Lets just do everything we can to make sure no one can gank anyone. We should all meet out in the field and duel properly. Or better yet lets only zerg, but only if numbers are equal and everyone plays fair.
Nevermind there are plenty of builds out there that this type of play doesnt work on. As a pro ganker i still have a tough time with many of players. Theres the players that dodge every single one of my attacks. The players that take no damage from my attacks. That shield that stuns me if i attack with my bow first. The player that can break my fear at 5 percent health and heal to full health.
Even if I go glass cannon, theres a lot of players out thrre with builds that do just fine countering my ganks.
Just because you cant counter this build or are unwilling to change your build to counter it doesnt mean its broken. Everyone has a weakness, what are you willing to give up to counter this?
So. You want to hide in the open. By crouching down, you turn completely invisible and undetectable to the naked eye no matter where you are. With no cover. No shadows. In broad daylight.
Lets keep the realism argument in perspective please, it's a fantasy game.
I don't mind ganking, but one button ganking with no counterplay is a problem. That's all. It should require more effort than one button push and a fraction of a second to take someone out.
I just think you underestimate how hard it is to pull off and how many times it fails. And I didnt say realism, i said in any realm magic or not. Narnia, lord of the rings, star trek, elder scrolls. On the right opponent with the right skill, stealth attack should be able to one shot.
Theres plenty of other skills that should be nerfed into the ground and rendered useless before this.
The solution is simple; delete the Nightblade class and do not reimburse the people who play them.
HoloYoitsu wrote: »Thanks one button warriors, I can already feel my IQ dropping from the 'just use counterplay hur hur' responses and even likening bringing damage into line to communism. So I'll just sum up this thread in one pic.
The guy in the middle is the Onslaught NB
The solution is simple; delete the Nightblade class and do not reimburse the people who play them.
No. It's not that efffing hard. Do not allow ultimates to be empowered, do not add stealth attack bonuses to ultimates. Ultimates do enough damage. That's apparently too hard for ZOS.HoloYoitsu wrote: »Thanks one button warriors, I can already feel my IQ dropping from the 'just use counterplay hur hur' responses and even likening bringing damage into line to communism. So I'll just sum up this thread in one pic.
The guy in the middle is the Onslaught NB
This. Was hilarious.
I think Cyrus is against lowering high damage builds down to the lowest common denominator (potato). Some people suggested that. Hard caps on damage.
I don't think we need that, in this case we just need to balance stealth, empower, and ultimate mechanics.
thankyourat wrote: »If your want to have counter play to ganking you have to lower the overall damage in the game. it's way too high. I hit someone with a 17k crystal frag before. And I've hit people with 25k plus assassins will. Not to mention I can hit people with 10k plus heavy attacks. As long as damage is so high counterplay will be very low. Ganking is just a bi-product of all this damage. Why can I one shot a player from stealth with a heavy attack soul harvest on my magblade and I'm not even built as a ganker. Is it because stealth is broken? No, it's because damage is broken. Last patch on my stam dk I one shot a player in a duel using double proc sets and poisons. You are always one laggy cc break away from death while playing this game. I just think of it as this game isn't competitive cause it's not. I think people put to much emphasis on stealth and not enough on why damage is so high in the first place, my 17k crystal frag is just as toxic as my 14k incaps. And they just keep giving us more CP to use and more damage boost
Counter play.... radiant mageblight... any other questions? Being in stealth is helpful to. Holding block when standing there even. This build is not new been out for months before Sypher... or Blob put it out. Getting ganked has been in the game for a long time. I used to literally one shot people with snipe. Then later after nerf... two shots. People that run radiant can't get ganked in the traditional sense.
Slotting an otherwise useless skill (while also having to remorph when switching to pve every time) on both bars can hardly be considered counterplay.
"Hey to not run the possibility to instantly die to an enemy you will never see coming you have to give up 20% of your active skills. Because *** you that´s why."
Anyone who can explain to me why and what about that is good balance i´ll gift a million gold on the eu server.
You have been using this same nonsense for over 2 years.
Simple fact: If you want to avoid instagibbing, use it. If folks choose not to, don't come crying here. If you want to counter something you need to sacrifice elsewhere.
So take away cloak and u make nightblades no longer a nightblade, might as well call them an assasin... oh wait you dont want them to kill people quickly, quietly, or from stealth.
Maybe call them peasants?
Seriously if you got hit with a focused arrow full of poison in this realm or another, whilst unkowning it was even coming, you want to shrug it off?
Lets just do everything we can to make sure no one can gank anyone. We should all meet out in the field and duel properly. Or better yet lets only zerg, but only if numbers are equal and everyone plays fair.
Nevermind there are plenty of builds out there that this type of play doesnt work on. As a pro ganker i still have a tough time with many of players. Theres the players that dodge every single one of my attacks. The players that take no damage from my attacks. That shield that stuns me if i attack with my bow first. The player that can break my fear at 5 percent health and heal to full health.
Even if I go glass cannon, theres a lot of players out thrre with builds that do just fine countering my ganks.
Just because you cant counter this build or are unwilling to change your build to counter it doesnt mean its broken. Everyone has a weakness, what are you willing to give up to counter this?
So. You want to hide in the open. By crouching down, you turn completely invisible and undetectable to the naked eye no matter where you are. With no cover. No shadows. In broad daylight.
Lets keep the realism argument in perspective please, it's a fantasy game.
I don't mind ganking, but one button ganking with no counterplay is a problem. That's all. It should require more effort than one button push and a fraction of a second to take someone out.
I just think you underestimate how hard it is to pull off and how many times it fails. And I didnt say realism, i said in any realm magic or not. Narnia, lord of the rings, star trek, elder scrolls. On the right opponent with the right skill, stealth attack should be able to one shot.
Theres plenty of other skills that should be nerfed into the ground and rendered useless before this.
RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »RML just allows them to kill you in 2 hits instead of one really....
The counters to stealth in this game suck....RML stinks, Revealing Flare sucks,
Give us a damaging or utility skill that mean to counter Cloak just like how Cloak gets good utility like Minor Protection or Guranteed crit WHEN and IF it works...the counters to stealth in this game gimp you, whereas the stealth skills in this game do not gimp you and make you better...its a serious imbalance.
IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »RML just allows them to kill you in 2 hits instead of one really....
The counters to stealth in this game suck....RML stinks, Revealing Flare sucks,
Give us a damaging or utility skill that mean to counter Cloak just like how Cloak gets good utility like Minor Protection or Guranteed crit WHEN and IF it works...the counters to stealth in this game gimp you, whereas the stealth skills in this game do not gimp you and make you better...its a serious imbalance.
Fixed that for you
IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »RML just allows them to kill you in 2 hits instead of one really....
The counters to stealth in this game suck....RML stinks, Revealing Flare sucks,
Give us a damaging or utility skill that mean to counter Cloak just like how Cloak gets good utility like Minor Protection or Guranteed crit WHEN and IF it works...the counters to stealth in this game gimp you, whereas the stealth skills in this game do not gimp you and make you better...its a serious imbalance.
Fixed that for you
Come on - it´s not like cloak is the unreliable piece of garbage it was last patch unless you get attacked by 10+ ppl (and tbh in that case everything dies bc the game can´t handle it).
Just yesterday we had a NB trolling our grp until i managed to slot lolassault because shade + cloak offers so little counterplay and the most vaible counterplay (detectpots and reveal poisons) are bugged and skills still forcemiss for the first second of cloak even though you see the nb.