Miat's add-on

FleetwoodSmack · January 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Might not be fun for the target, but some people enjoy a playstyle that is designed into the game.

RIGHT. I do actually think it should have never made it into the game. It´s a singleplayer game mechanic. Might not be fun for the target is a big might. This is an online game. I think it should be designed to atleast create possibilities to have fun out of every situation you might find yourself in pvp.

Well, I mean no one really wants to die in PVP. Dead is dead. It doesn't really matter if it was a gank, a 1v1, a 1vx or you get zerged down. I don't want to die in any of those situations.

Stealth play is a valid playstyle, it's built into the game

If people hate it that much they either need to learn how to deal with it or stay the heck out of Cryodiil

'Stealth Playstyle' isn't the same as 'one shot ganking'.

In the minds of a few here who can't tell the difference, before viper and velidreth were added/updated, stealth players still played. Killing people required smarter builds and more button presses.

After the proc sets? It's a turkey shoot where any terrible player can gank in one mouse click and two button presses. It's terrible.

The people getting angriest about it, who also probably can't kill anyone with the add on? Hilarious. Those who can? Have fun, you probably deserve it.

I am currently playing a gank blade that procs no damage. All my set bonuses buff me in some way and deal no damage to the target.

All my victim ever sees if my gank is successful is my ambush and heavy hitting at the same time and an execute a split second later. Combat is over in the blink of an eye. (unless I bounce off my target, it happens)

Proc tanks suck but honestly most people can't see the difference when a good gank is pulled off vs a proc gank because TTK is fractions of a second different and either way they are dead before they can do anything.

I can't remember,

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Might not be fun for the target, but some people enjoy a playstyle that is designed into the game.

RIGHT. I do actually think it should have never made it into the game. It´s a singleplayer game mechanic. Might not be fun for the target is a big might. This is an online game. I think it should be designed to atleast create possibilities to have fun out of every situation you might find yourself in pvp.

Well, I mean no one really wants to die in PVP. Dead is dead. It doesn't really matter if it was a gank, a 1v1, a 1vx or you get zerged down. I don't want to die in any of those situations.

Stealth play is a valid playstyle, it's built into the game

If people hate it that much they either need to learn how to deal with it or stay the heck out of Cryodiil

Dead is not dead. If i die against multiple people i positioned myself wrong. If i loose a 1v1 i got outplayed. If i get instaripped from stealth - well there is not much to be done.

You can repeat it´s a valid playstyle as much as you want. I think it´s broken anyhow. I don´t think instantkills belong into an mmo style game.
So i´m gonna continue advocating against instant kills (especially from invisibility) any chance i get.

I simply don´t think it should be a valid playstyle.

Just because you think something shouldn't be valid, doesn't make it any less valid. Might not being fun for the target, sounded more rhetorical in the sense of that NOBODY likes dying. Ganking or not. I get ragetells when I'm not even in stealth. Simply KILLING someone creates enough salt to warrant a ragetell because you ruined someone's ego. I get told shield builds isn't form of gameplay. Same with pet builds, or builds that use Pelinals, or using executes or running this or that. That's a cop-out argument.

Trying to delegitimize a preference that's widely accepted is YOUR personal problem. Not anyone else's. Regardless of this addon's existence or not. If you're getting instantly killed, there's a reason and you should investigate the matter rather than blaming a playstyle that's just as valid as the perma-blocking tanks that don't die because they're able to stockpile those resources and troll large amounts of players while doing it.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. The reason people play cheap one-shot gank builds from stealth is because they can hide behind the anonymity of the internet. Wouldn't happen if you had to face the other player in real life, as another human being, unless you were a sociopath.

People love to play all kinds of competitive games, win or lose. I am one of those people. But getting jumped from stealth and killed before you have time to react is not playing against good competition. It's not losing to a superior opponent. It's having your time wasted by someone who is satisfying their need for reward by disregarding that other people are playing the game, too.

The closest comparison I have is abusive drivers who cause massive traffic jams in a lane merge by racing ahead of everyone in the closing lane, then butting their way in at the last minute. Yes you can do it. No, it's not "against the rules", but it does make you a jerk.

I don't care if I die, and I even go kamikaze a lot. I will get zerged over trying to get off a rez on a pug 10 out of 10 times. I don't care if I am outmatched by someone who has better gear, or more skill. I do care if someone is being a jerk. It's not about ego, it's about someone wasting my time. If I get myself into a bad situation and get wrecked, that's on me. If you are abusing mechanics in this game to get free kills, that's your bad. All kinds of odious troll behavior is "allowed" in this game, but that doesn't mean it's okay.

And it's not fair to say, oh well, you know instakill ganking is no different that other annoying builds like shield stackers or trollplars or unkillable tanks or whatever else might be earning you rage whispers. The difference is that all those other things are "opt-in" -- you don't have to fight those people or deal with them unless you want to. When you see a dozen pugs chasing one guy around a rock, you don't have to join them. But with the instakill ganks, you really have no choice in the matter. It's something that happens to you out of the blue, that you have no control over. And there is no way to opt out of that kind of crappy gameplay experience, either. If they made a new campaign with no stealth, I would home there in a heartbeat.

It's like you're trying to argue it's "legitimate" to be an obnoxious human being just because (1) it's legal, and (2) some people get off it. I love this game, and I care about it's health. Right now, specially stamblade gank builds are outrageous. There are always going to be unintended mechanics in every patch. Someone is always going to find them and have an advantage. But you can't seriously think that PvP is in a healthy place when instakill ganking is so easy and common. For reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBoFfEPKnEc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGnSoras4Oo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyyMGkC0pIY

https://youtu.be/x3grblvmmjo?t=444

I know ZOS makes it easy, but please don't be ESO cancer. I think @Derra is right. If you want to go be ESO cancer, I can only try to appeal to your human dignity to dissuade you. But surely you are not on the forums defending the cancer's right to be slowly killing the game.

I love how you inject feelings into something as trivial as a video game based on a combat style. The fact is, the playstyle exists. They (developers) know it exists and they build sets around it's existence so that people will use them (and if you don't know them, clearly you have some catching up to do). If you think that playstyle is abusive, then you're the one with the problem. And if you think I'm one of those 'obnoxious' gankers; think again. Cloak is broken, I can't be bothered to stealth just to kill someone. However it's not an exploit to oneshot someone. If I was in front of one of those so called gankers in 'real life', I'd be a mature adult and accept the fact they beat me fair and square. If you're THAT salty over it, the choice is simple.

As for 'outrageous stamblade gank builds' I get ragetelled for surviving their failed attempts. Some of these people are former emps. I'm not certainly the best at PvP, but I know that there are counters against gankers.

Do I agree with this addon? There's some concerns, but aside from that I have no qualms with it. What I do have qualms with, are people delegitimizing a playstyle. Your argument only holds merit if they're using ACTUAL exploits. Double procs of the same set, double mundus. THAT is cancerous. Someone stealing your Tel Var because you refuse to use counters and STILL die while using this addon? That's your problem. Not ours.