Why go melee gank while ranged gank is in the times of 30+ Zergs so much safer and effective ?

Kutsuu

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

I guess we're are on different paths on what animation is i consider a animation to be the visual part of the wind up hence saying I'm using this ability which is really easy to counter by the way but if you can make the wind up disappear all together I'm pretty sure I just canceled the animation for that particular ability hence being called animation canceling. Right or wrong

Was I really not clear in my last several posts? I repeatedly said that you can not bypass the cast time of the ability through any type of animation cancelling and still receive the damage - especially not in a way that would allow you to fire 6 abilities with a 1s cast time within 1s.

I'm not sure how else to say it. Maybe this will work: Does your Dizzying Swing still have a cast time? Do you still have to wait 1s for it to channel before it hits? Are you able to dizzying swing 6 times in a second?

joe.smith21b14_ESO

Kutsuu wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

I guess we're are on different paths on what animation is i consider a animation to be the visual part of the wind up hence saying I'm using this ability which is really easy to counter by the way but if you can make the wind up disappear all together I'm pretty sure I just canceled the animation for that particular ability hence being called animation canceling. Right or wrong

Was I really not clear in my last several posts? I repeatedly said that you can not bypass the cast time of the ability through any type of animation cancelling and still receive the damage - especially not in a way that would allow you to fire 6 abilities with a 1s cast time within 1s.

I'm not sure how else to say it. Maybe this will work: Does your Dizzying Swing still have a cast time? Do you still have to wait 1s for it to channel before it hits? Are you able to dizzying swing 6 times in a second?

No you were not clear all I said is I found out how to animation cancle dizzying swing you said it wasn't and here we are

joe.smith21b14_ESO

Kutsuu wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

The real trick is to only target people on their mounts.

If you're ganking on a reinforcement path and avoiding the zerg lag, most people travel on mounts. The best part is they waste all their mount stamina making it far easier.

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

And no its not a bug... People are just surprised i guess or the lag is so bad by the time the game gets that they want to break free my arrows have killed them already....
There always is a short time period you have to evade death.... its just very short in my case... Unless you have under 23k health and under 2k crit resistance... then of course u r a "One-Hit-Wonder"
And the reason i ambush people vs open fighting is because people hitting like trucks in heavy armor with endless resources a open combat would be simply suicidal unless you counter with the same setup "Black rose, Tremorscale, Vipers Sting"
And i simply refuse to go mainstream XD

The fact that you´re unaware of all casted skills having a bug where the skill animations and sounds disappear when fired from stealth or animationcanceled properly baffles me.
Also snipe has healthdesynct players since way before the game even came out on consolse (and still does).

What you´re describing as lag on the receiving end is exactly the bug. There is no lag. The casted skill from stealth is exactly what´s causing this behavior.

You can't animation cancel snipe, or any other channeled/cast time skill. You can animation cancel the trailing animation at best. Also since the change that came recently (with DB I think?) to animation cancelling, all sounds for skills now play even if block cancelled or swap cancelled. They also jacked up animation cancelling so people get stuck in heavy attacks and other bugs... but that's a different discussion.

Also they nerfed stealth AGES ago - going on a year at this point. You can hear people buffing and using skills/attacks from stealth now. Not only that, but from the same range you can hear a player who's not stealthed. Because of this, I now PVP with headphones and my effects volume jacked up. You can hear a ganker casting radiant magelight from roughly 25m away. You can hear a heavy bow attack being released with roughly 1/2 a second of lead time before it lands. It was a ninja nerf, no patch notes to my knowledge. I learned it when I went to gank one of my buddies while we were in TS together and he said "I heard you casting magelight" when I asked him why he blocked.

Nice thanks for the head up.
Need to always attack at maximal distance so that they don't Btw i cant quite explain how that dude did it but my buddy a 75k health 40k resistances Dk tank got hit by 7 animation cancelled focused aimes in 0.5 sek and insta.died... So it must,be possible.by exploiting some glitch. I now that Lethal arrows can be heard, when fired from stealth just thought it was just a nother bug in the game XD
Thanks for that never tested it.

What you're describing is a lag spike, not animation canceling. You can't animation cancel a cast time or channeled ability, and even instant abilities are limited to a 1 second "GCD" - regardless of the fact that there isn't supposed to be a GCD, it's there and prevents more than a single light/ability/bash within a 1 second window.

I actually figured out how to animation cancel dizzying swing part of my ninja handbook

You can weave it with heavy attacks, but not cancel the animation during the windup at all (and still get damage out of it).

Your original statement

IlCanis_LupuslI

Guys, i know it sounds crazy, but ive seen it on several occasions so it definetly cant be a lag spike. i saw a Emperor with 50k health getting instakilled after swallowing 5 lethal arrows in 1 sek and my buddy a 70k hp, 40k resistance tank get onebanged and he had 7 lethal arrows in death recap(all from the same person). hell even myself even though getting instanuked isnt a new thing as a stamblade lol. i basically stood there since i was certain i could swallow at least 1 hit cause his previous attempts were weak as ***. then suddenly dead. in death recap: lethal arrow, lethal arrow, lethal arrow. Somehow 3 lethal arrows without him doing any animation and without me seeing the arrows fly towardcs me whitch i usually do. Accept it or noot somehow there is a way to remove the animation altogeather. Just havent figured out how he did it.

runningtings

I thought you could only see the last 5 skills/hits in your recap.
How can you see 7? Is that with an add-on?

IlCanis_LupuslI

I thought it was seven many they were 5 . Since he was a Tank and the focused aim hit for 9.85k and he has 70k hp... Well do the maths.

Kutsuu

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Guys, i know it sounds crazy, but ive seen it on several occasions so it definetly cant be a lag spike. i saw a Emperor with 50k health getting instakilled after swallowing 5 lethal arrows in 1 sek and my buddy a 70k hp, 40k resistance tank get onebanged and he had 7 lethal arrows in death recap(all from the same person). hell even myself even though getting instanuked isnt a new thing as a stamblade lol. i basically stood there since i was certain i could swallow at least 1 hit cause his previous attempts were weak as ***. then suddenly dead. in death recap: lethal arrow, lethal arrow, lethal arrow. Somehow 3 lethal arrows without him doing any animation and without me seeing the arrows fly towardcs me whitch i usually do. Accept it or noot somehow there is a way to remove the animation altogeather. Just havent figured out how he did it.

That's a lot of swallowing you have been doing...

Seriously though, what is it about it happening more than once that makes it impossible for it to be lag? Lag isn't a one-time thing, especially not in Elder Scrolls Online.

Rilmarshim

WTF am I reading? Dude, snipe spamming is not a bow gank, it's just mindless spamming of 1 skill. I feel ashamed of using bow because of "gankers" like you.
P.S. Focused Aim sucks

Kutsuu

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

The real trick is to only target people on their mounts.

If you're ganking on a reinforcement path and avoiding the zerg lag, most people travel on mounts. The best part is they waste all their mount stamina making it far easier.

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

And no its not a bug... People are just surprised i guess or the lag is so bad by the time the game gets that they want to break free my arrows have killed them already....
There always is a short time period you have to evade death.... its just very short in my case... Unless you have under 23k health and under 2k crit resistance... then of course u r a "One-Hit-Wonder"
And the reason i ambush people vs open fighting is because people hitting like trucks in heavy armor with endless resources a open combat would be simply suicidal unless you counter with the same setup "Black rose, Tremorscale, Vipers Sting"
And i simply refuse to go mainstream XD

The fact that you´re unaware of all casted skills having a bug where the skill animations and sounds disappear when fired from stealth or animationcanceled properly baffles me.
Also snipe has healthdesynct players since way before the game even came out on consolse (and still does).

What you´re describing as lag on the receiving end is exactly the bug. There is no lag. The casted skill from stealth is exactly what´s causing this behavior.

You can't animation cancel snipe, or any other channeled/cast time skill. You can animation cancel the trailing animation at best. Also since the change that came recently (with DB I think?) to animation cancelling, all sounds for skills now play even if block cancelled or swap cancelled. They also jacked up animation cancelling so people get stuck in heavy attacks and other bugs... but that's a different discussion.

Also they nerfed stealth AGES ago - going on a year at this point. You can hear people buffing and using skills/attacks from stealth now. Not only that, but from the same range you can hear a player who's not stealthed. Because of this, I now PVP with headphones and my effects volume jacked up. You can hear a ganker casting radiant magelight from roughly 25m away. You can hear a heavy bow attack being released with roughly 1/2 a second of lead time before it lands. It was a ninja nerf, no patch notes to my knowledge. I learned it when I went to gank one of my buddies while we were in TS together and he said "I heard you casting magelight" when I asked him why he blocked.

Nice thanks for the head up.
Need to always attack at maximal distance so that they don't Btw i cant quite explain how that dude did it but my buddy a 75k health 40k resistances Dk tank got hit by 7 animation cancelled focused aimes in 0.5 sek and insta.died... So it must,be possible.by exploiting some glitch. I now that Lethal arrows can be heard, when fired from stealth just thought it was just a nother bug in the game XD
Thanks for that never tested it.

What you're describing is a lag spike, not animation canceling. You can't animation cancel a cast time or channeled ability, and even instant abilities are limited to a 1 second "GCD" - regardless of the fact that there isn't supposed to be a GCD, it's there and prevents more than a single light/ability/bash within a 1 second window.

I actually figured out how to animation cancel dizzying swing part of my ninja handbook

You can weave it with heavy attacks, but not cancel the animation during the windup at all (and still get damage out of it).

Your original statement

Yes and that point still stands. Look at the posts we were responding to, all the context is there (click show previous quotes). You still respected the cast time of the ability in your video. If you can show us an example of you instantly casting dizzying swing without having to wait the 1s cast time, and especially you doing it 6 times in 1 second, then you can tell us that you are cancelling it and getting full damage.

joe.smith21b14_ESO

Kutsuu wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

The real trick is to only target people on their mounts.

If you're ganking on a reinforcement path and avoiding the zerg lag, most people travel on mounts. The best part is they waste all their mount stamina making it far easier.

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

And no its not a bug... People are just surprised i guess or the lag is so bad by the time the game gets that they want to break free my arrows have killed them already....
There always is a short time period you have to evade death.... its just very short in my case... Unless you have under 23k health and under 2k crit resistance... then of course u r a "One-Hit-Wonder"
And the reason i ambush people vs open fighting is because people hitting like trucks in heavy armor with endless resources a open combat would be simply suicidal unless you counter with the same setup "Black rose, Tremorscale, Vipers Sting"
And i simply refuse to go mainstream XD

The fact that you´re unaware of all casted skills having a bug where the skill animations and sounds disappear when fired from stealth or animationcanceled properly baffles me.
Also snipe has healthdesynct players since way before the game even came out on consolse (and still does).

What you´re describing as lag on the receiving end is exactly the bug. There is no lag. The casted skill from stealth is exactly what´s causing this behavior.

You can't animation cancel snipe, or any other channeled/cast time skill. You can animation cancel the trailing animation at best. Also since the change that came recently (with DB I think?) to animation cancelling, all sounds for skills now play even if block cancelled or swap cancelled. They also jacked up animation cancelling so people get stuck in heavy attacks and other bugs... but that's a different discussion.

Also they nerfed stealth AGES ago - going on a year at this point. You can hear people buffing and using skills/attacks from stealth now. Not only that, but from the same range you can hear a player who's not stealthed. Because of this, I now PVP with headphones and my effects volume jacked up. You can hear a ganker casting radiant magelight from roughly 25m away. You can hear a heavy bow attack being released with roughly 1/2 a second of lead time before it lands. It was a ninja nerf, no patch notes to my knowledge. I learned it when I went to gank one of my buddies while we were in TS together and he said "I heard you casting magelight" when I asked him why he blocked.

Nice thanks for the head up.
Need to always attack at maximal distance so that they don't Btw i cant quite explain how that dude did it but my buddy a 75k health 40k resistances Dk tank got hit by 7 animation cancelled focused aimes in 0.5 sek and insta.died... So it must,be possible.by exploiting some glitch. I now that Lethal arrows can be heard, when fired from stealth just thought it was just a nother bug in the game XD
Thanks for that never tested it.

What you're describing is a lag spike, not animation canceling. You can't animation cancel a cast time or channeled ability, and even instant abilities are limited to a 1 second "GCD" - regardless of the fact that there isn't supposed to be a GCD, it's there and prevents more than a single light/ability/bash within a 1 second window.

I actually figured out how to animation cancel dizzying swing part of my ninja handbook

You can weave it with heavy attacks, but not cancel the animation during the windup at all (and still get damage out of it).

Your original statement

Yes and that point still stands. Look at the posts we were responding to, all the context is there (click show previous quotes). You still respected the cast time of the ability in your video. If you can show us an example of you instantly casting dizzying swing without having to wait the 1s cast time, and especially you doing it 6 times in 1 second, then you can tell us that you are cancelling it and getting full damage.

Look I don't care what your saying no more I said I'm animation cancling because I'm cancling the animation. This is my original statement so if you don't think it's what I am saying good day sir

IlCanis_LupuslI

Dr_Talos wrote: »

WTF am I reading? Dude, snipe spamming is not a bow gank, it's just mindless spamming of 1 skill. I feel ashamed of using bow because of "gankers" like you.
P.S. Focused Aim sucks

Dr_Talos wrote: »

WTF am I reading? Dude, snipe spamming is not a bow gank, it's just mindless spamming of 1 skill. I feel ashamed of using bow because of "gankers" like you.
P.S. Focused Aim sucks

Dr_Talos wrote: »

WTF am I reading? Dude, snipe spamming is not a bow gank, it's just mindless spamming of 1 skill. I feel ashamed of using bow because of "gankers" like you.
P.S. Focused Aim sucks

Well i wouldnt call using focused aim 2 times spamming, Plus yep, thats what the last dude said who I hit with a 23k focused aim and 1 shotted him lol.

IlCanis_LupuslI

And he was a 561 Sargent PvP rank so no noob

IlCanis_LupuslI

Or that flawless Conquerer who sat there fully buffed , aware that i was targeting him, making tbag movements (taunting me like “come attack me“ )and died after 1 focused aim and 1 poison injection. Lol
They also thought it was crap....and insta died lol

IlCanis_LupuslI

Even thou on that 1 the RNG Gods were on my side cause his shuffle didn't dodge any shots lol

exeeter702

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

The real trick is to only target people on their mounts.

If you're ganking on a reinforcement path and avoiding the zerg lag, most people travel on mounts. The best part is they waste all their mount stamina making it far easier.

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

And no its not a bug... People are just surprised i guess or the lag is so bad by the time the game gets that they want to break free my arrows have killed them already....
There always is a short time period you have to evade death.... its just very short in my case... Unless you have under 23k health and under 2k crit resistance... then of course u r a "One-Hit-Wonder"
And the reason i ambush people vs open fighting is because people hitting like trucks in heavy armor with endless resources a open combat would be simply suicidal unless you counter with the same setup "Black rose, Tremorscale, Vipers Sting"
And i simply refuse to go mainstream XD

The fact that you´re unaware of all casted skills having a bug where the skill animations and sounds disappear when fired from stealth or animationcanceled properly baffles me.
Also snipe has healthdesynct players since way before the game even came out on consolse (and still does).

What you´re describing as lag on the receiving end is exactly the bug. There is no lag. The casted skill from stealth is exactly what´s causing this behavior.

You can't animation cancel snipe, or any other channeled/cast time skill. You can animation cancel the trailing animation at best. Also since the change that came recently (with DB I think?) to animation cancelling, all sounds for skills now play even if block cancelled or swap cancelled. They also jacked up animation cancelling so people get stuck in heavy attacks and other bugs... but that's a different discussion.

Also they nerfed stealth AGES ago - going on a year at this point. You can hear people buffing and using skills/attacks from stealth now. Not only that, but from the same range you can hear a player who's not stealthed. Because of this, I now PVP with headphones and my effects volume jacked up. You can hear a ganker casting radiant magelight from roughly 25m away. You can hear a heavy bow attack being released with roughly 1/2 a second of lead time before it lands. It was a ninja nerf, no patch notes to my knowledge. I learned it when I went to gank one of my buddies while we were in TS together and he said "I heard you casting magelight" when I asked him why he blocked.

Nice thanks for the head up.
Need to always attack at maximal distance so that they don't Btw i cant quite explain how that dude did it but my buddy a 75k health 40k resistances Dk tank got hit by 7 animation cancelled focused aimes in 0.5 sek and insta.died... So it must,be possible.by exploiting some glitch. I now that Lethal arrows can be heard, when fired from stealth just thought it was just a nother bug in the game XD
Thanks for that never tested it.

What you're describing is a lag spike, not animation canceling. You can't animation cancel a cast time or channeled ability, and even instant abilities are limited to a 1 second "GCD" - regardless of the fact that there isn't supposed to be a GCD, it's there and prevents more than a single light/ability/bash within a 1 second window.

I actually figured out how to animation cancel dizzying swing part of my ninja handbook

You can weave it with heavy attacks, but not cancel the animation during the windup at all (and still get damage out of it).

Your original statement

Yes and that point still stands. Look at the posts we were responding to, all the context is there (click show previous quotes). You still respected the cast time of the ability in your video. If you can show us an example of you instantly casting dizzying swing without having to wait the 1s cast time, and especially you doing it 6 times in 1 second, then you can tell us that you are cancelling it and getting full damage.

Look I don't care what your saying no more I said I'm animation cancling because I'm cancling the animation. This is my original statement so if you don't think it's what I am saying good day sir

Sorry man but you are not truly canceling the animation if WB in that vid. Its not even an opinion. You are objectively not.

GreenSoup2HoT

@Mangeli200194

That snipe thing your talking about is a bug people abuse with emotes. You can glitch your emotes (similar to how people walk around or ride there mounts while doing emotes) but glitch it so you can cast abilitys and still maintain your emote (such as dancing or laydown).

So basically theres someone standing somewhere out in the open doing an emote while sniping your friend and he wont notice unless he see's his hp dropping or dies since the shots are invisible.

I dont know if its been reported yet to zos. Ive seen a couple players do it on console resently.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Aha thats how they do it. Thanks for the explanation

thedude33

Kutsuu wrote: »

....
You really need all the damage required to kill to happen in less than a second to consistently gank aware players. There are ways to do this with a bow - you can watch a Xin or Sribes video and very easily determine what sets/skills they are using to do so. Spamming Lethal Arrow is not the answer.

Those two are awesome players. Very cool to watch a good duo in action.

Now I know they would still dominate without the equipment they use, but some fights, 50%+ of their damage is procs.

IlCanis_LupuslI

a) i Font spamm , 2 focused aims max and 1 poison injection are enough,
he usually goes up against groups of maximal 10 players which in my case usually involves groups 3,,4 times that size, in that case good luck charging in with ambush expected Survival Duration 3 seconds lol.
Now sribes is a excellent ganker... But he isnt faced with the massive groups on Xbox eu.
For example im one video there were 8 enemies on scroll. 8????
On my server there probably would be 2 scrolls Bering stolen at once with about 50-60 players escorting it. Try ganking that scrollcsrrier with a melee build, good luck to whoever who attempts it. And no I refuse to wear proc sets which do all the damage for me.

Its different setups for different situations. And nothing beats a bow while defending a Castle. So unless you can tell.me a strategy how to kill people inside a 24+ Zerg while defending a Castle, without using a broken Ulti(incapacitating strike) or a broken armor set like viper, widowmaker or Velindreth we have nothing to,say to each other.

Kutsuu

thedude33 wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

....
You really need all the damage required to kill to happen in less than a second to consistently gank aware players. There are ways to do this with a bow - you can watch a Xin or Sribes video and very easily determine what sets/skills they are using to do so. Spamming Lethal Arrow is not the answer.

Those two are awesome players. Very cool to watch a good duo in action.

Now I know they would still dominate without the equipment they use, but some fights, 50%+ of their damage is procs.

50%? The majority of their damage is coming from heavy attacks and incap strike. Viper and the occasional Velidreth do add to the killing power though.

Lylith

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Mangeli200194

That snipe thing your talking about is a bug people abuse with emotes. You can glitch your emotes (similar to how people walk around or ride there mounts while doing emotes) but glitch it so you can cast abilitys and still maintain your emote (such as dancing or laydown).

So basically theres someone standing somewhere out in the open doing an emote while sniping your friend and he wont notice unless he see's his hp dropping or dies since the shots are invisible.

I dont know if its been reported yet to zos. Ive seen a couple players do it on console resently.

hadn't seen/heard of that one.

pvp just gets curiouser and curiouser.

ZOS_DaryaK

We've removed several posts from this discussion that were inflammatory and threatened to derail this discussion. While we do tolerate some trash talk and razzing in the PVP forums, calling each other names and threatening other players is not acceptable.

Bosov

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

a) i Font spamm , 2 focused aims max and 1 poison injection are enough,
he usually goes up against groups of maximal 10 players which in my case usually involves groups 3,,4 times that size, in that case good luck charging in with ambush expected Survival Duration 3 seconds lol.
Now scribes is a excellent ganker... But he isnt faced with the massive groups on Xbox eu.
For example im one video there were 8 enemies on scroll. 8????
On my server there probably would be 2 scrolls Bering stolen at once with about 50-60 players escorting it. Try ganking that scrollcsrrier with a melee build, good luck to whoever who attempts it. And no I refuse to wear proc sets which do all the damage for me.

Its different setups for different situations. And nothing beats a bow while defending a Castle. So unless you can tell.me a strategy how to kill people inside a 24+ Zerg while defending a Castle, without using a broken Ulti(incapacitating strike) or a broken armor set like viper, widowmaker or Velindreth we have nothing to,say to each other.

Ganking on xbox eu is really easy... you are just a snipestacker who stands in the wall pressing 1 button. You just arent very good at the game which is clearly showing in the video. Not everyone can be good..

Also flawless conqueror or pvp rank isnt an indication of how skilled a player is. The highest ranked pvp player on xbox eu is one of the worst players but zerging, aoe spamming and using rapid manouvers on every class to quickly ride to the defensive ticks help a lot in getting that high rank.

Immovablestone

Sorry man but you are not truly canceling the animation if WB in that vid. Its not even an opinion. You are objectively not.

In my opinion its animation canceling (which I do and love) if two separate attacks make contact simultaneously that normally require two separate, full animations to land. If you're only seeing the animation/wind up for the heavy attack and not the wrecking blow, and both hit together, I'd consider the WB animation cancelled... Just like if you fire off a bash with an executioner to have both hit instantly with only the immediate bash/block animation, the only difference being that the previous example has a 1s wind up for both skills to make contact.

Could be wrong but that's how I see it, having studied the concept for a couple years, lol :P

Curtdogg47

What exactly was the Point of this thread? And didn't this have a different title a few days ago?

IlCanis_LupuslI

Bosov wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

a) i Font spamm , 2 focused aims max and 1 poison injection are enough,
he usually goes up against groups of maximal 10 players which in my case usually involves groups 3,,4 times that size, in that case good luck charging in with ambush expected Survival Duration 3 seconds lol.
Now scribes is a excellent ganker... But he isnt faced with the massive groups on Xbox eu.
For example im one video there were 8 enemies on scroll. 8????
On my server there probably would be 2 scrolls Bering stolen at once with about 50-60 players escorting it. Try ganking that scrollcsrrier with a melee build, good luck to whoever who attempts it. And no I refuse to wear proc sets which do all the damage for me.

Its different setups for different situations. And nothing beats a bow while defending a Castle. So unless you can tell.me a strategy how to kill people inside a 24+ Zerg while defending a Castle, without using a broken Ulti(incapacitating strike) or a broken armor set like viper, widowmaker or Velindreth we have nothing to,say to each other.

Ganking on xbox eu is really easy... you are just a snipestacker who stands in the wall pressing 1 button. You just arent very good at the game which is clearly showing in the video. Not everyone can be good..

Also flawless conqueror or pvp rank isnt an indication of how skilled a player is. The highest ranked pvp player on xbox eu is one of the worst players but zerging, aoe spamming and using rapid manouvers on every class to quickly ride to the defensive ticks help a lot in getting that high rank.

I did get a very prominent red currently under the top 10 on the leaderboards XD(, No I don't stack snipes thats a red ex emps speciality lol, ) Maby im not good, i don't judge myself I sure get many kills hat way so im cool. Jup its easy, The person who did the most hard solo dungeon without dying=> very good reaction times(aka movement)=> knows his business, probably very well equipped. Well always when i see him fight he does pretty well so I won't judge that. There is always 2 sides of a situation....
But i appreaciate your neutral input.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Curtdogg47 wrote: »

What exactly was the Point of this thread? And didn't this have a different title a few days ago?

It startet as i watched 4 red gankers charge into a big yellow zerg (velindreth flying around)as we were sieging. Got insta killed of course.
It got me to wonder why they didn't pick us off with a bow instead of charging a 50+ zerg melee style.
As a demonstration I uploaded the clip.
Some people went into full rage mode and we went kinda off topic.

IlCanis_LupuslI

And to go to the skill issue= to tell the truth i havent seen a truly skilled person since 1 year when i started the game on Na server. How do you define skill in a game where 90% of the victories depend on cp, equipment, and rng ??? Right now basically weather you will that 1v1 depends on if your equipment is better then his, you have more cp and who's proc sets go off first or who's hits crit the most, and who has the better skill setup on his bars.
At the end of the day were all here to have fun and relax from RL.
So if you have a build , its able to get lucky and killing someone and you play it => cool , (even though some setups are just dirty but fair play for coming up with that setup).

IlCanis_LupuslI

Man that guy was a nightmare.... Took on 40+ players without emp and flattened us.