Why go melee gank while ranged gank is in the times of 30+ Zergs so much safer and effective ?

Sandman929

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Try using agony right after you fire the second shot it'll make it so easy to kill almost anyone you see. They can't dodge it unless shuffle procs.

Sry im not a big fan of using magica attacks as a stam build XD

Nothing wrong with not running the meta proc set Nightblade, but the Agony suggestion was a good one. It's not a "magicka attack", it's a CC that will improve what you're doing already.

lynog85

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Try using agony right after you fire the second shot it'll make it so easy to kill almost anyone you see. They can't dodge it unless shuffle procs.

Sry im not a big fan of using magica attacks as a stam build XD

its a ranged cc, take the advice of people in here, you obviously need it.

raasdal

Sorry OP, but i am not sure i would define anything happening in those vids as "ganking". What i see is someone spamming snipe during open zergfest.

Sniping someone from top of keep down at siegeline is not ganking. It is not even defined as PvP by most people.

pieratsos

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

I really dont understand why you are beeing so salty m8 XD
anyway it wasnt 7 snipes against that 40k dude it was 4 and he was on his oil not afk because i saw him dumping them.
And of course i dont gank...... I attack people.... From stealth..... who arent aware im there...... And burst them down.... then vanish.... Nooo not ganking.... Not at all :P And is ganking not just a different way of doing damage?? Your logic is really hard to understand at this point....
And i dont aim to impress... i aim to get more ap XD.....
And animation cancel hardly helps on this setup appart on while buffing.... Ofcourse you could animation cancel the lethal arrows themselves but then im guessing youll get banned at least thats what happened to the last dude who did that repeatedly... got reported by every guy he killed that way
You can call me bad.... you can insult me all you want... all i really care about is the amount of alliance points i get this way....

Im not salty. You can play whatever build you want and do whatever u want with it. The problem isnt that u spam snipe on random people. The problem is that u are doing it, and then try to convince people that its a good build and that u are skilled by lying to them even tho the videos u provided are showing the exact opposite.

You casted snipe 6 times, he died in 5 and 4 of them were crits. So if u were not lucky with the crits it would take even more. Anw thats not the point. The point is that it took you 8 seconds to kill him and he didnt react at all. You didnt even burst him down. 5k DPS is not considered a burst from stealth. He just stood there till he was dead. You did not kill him because you are skilled, you killed him because he has no clue and any other player that is skilled and playing a build with a lot of burst would kill him much much faster.

Ganking is a different playstyle. The aim of ganking is to kill unaware people before they even have time to react so its sort of what u are trying to do (and in most cases you fail) and even tho ganking does not require you to be actually a skilled player it certainly does require more skill than what u are doing. Even a gank build with procs requires more skill than what u are doing. You are not ganking cause you give people plenty of time to react in most occassions and they die because they are potatoes. You do not kill skilled players. You are basically spamming snipes and nothing more. It requires absolutely no skill so stop trying to convince people that you are good. In fact the only occasions that u could actually prove to people that u are "skilled" you fail to do it. Casting a random dawnbreaker on someone without animation cancelling it that barely took him to 50% hp and even tho he was still on the ground instead of finish him u started healing for no reason. Never doing a light/heavy attacks for ult regen. Spamming poison injections without animation cancelling them. Those are basic things that any skilled player know how to do.

Animation cancelling isnt gonna get you banned. Its part of the game for years and the fact that you regard it as some sort of cheating is another evidence that you have no idea about what u are talking about.

I have nothing personal with you and like i said you can play however you want. But lying and spreading bs just to prove ur point isnt helping you so just stop.

Tyrannitar

.... Dude, this build is utter trash. Hate to break it to you; but you lost everyone on the forum's respect when you "ganked" a lvl 35.... Not to mention you say you "like to survive the gank" and don't run a single piece of heavy???

You're a zerg-pug and anyone who says any different has no idea how this game works.

Your_Toy

Did you just run around spamming snipe and say that it was a good build? Man the console players have it so easy.

Kutsuu

It's all well and good that you are enjoying this build and play style, but you would get utterly destroyed by most competent players in an open field gank situation because your gank takes so long to pull off. Not only can you HEAR lethal arrow incoming as it flies to you (giving time to block the first attack), but anyone who isn't blocking or dodging before the second one hits is going to die to any random build.

You really need all the damage required to kill to happen in less than a second to consistently gank aware players. There are ways to do this with a bow - you can watch a Xin or Sribes video and very easily determine what sets/skills they are using to do so. Spamming Lethal Arrow is not the answer.

leem1988

I don't see anything wrong with this style of ganking, Zergbad used to do it all the time with alchemist/flanking/kena.

Kutsuu

leem1988 wrote: »

I don't see anything wrong with this style of ganking, Zergbad used to do it all the time with alchemist/flanking/kena.

He was initially using a build that 1-shotted with snipe, then switched to the method than Xin/Sribes now use after the nerfs. Zergbad understood very clearly the need to kill before players could react for it to be an actual gank.

I'm not saying that it's impossible to kill people by spamming snipe, I mean look at the video, but I personally don't build my play style around potato players that are outclassed by NPC guards.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Kutsuu wrote: »

It's all well and good that you are enjoying this build and play style, but you would get utterly destroyed by most competent players in an open field gank situation because your gank takes so long to pull off. Not only can you HEAR lethal arrow incoming as it flies to you (giving time to block the first attack), but anyone who isn't blocking or dodging before the second one hits is going to die to any random build.

You really need all the damage required to kill to happen in less than a second to consistently gank aware players. There are ways to do this with a bow - you can watch a Xin or Sribes video and very easily determine what sets/skills they are using to do so. Spamming Lethal Arrow is not the answer.

Well thank God there aren't many competent players around, and while i agree its very easy to avoid, in the caos of siegr going off its in fact impossible to detect. I've seen them . Problem in the usual situations im in melee => suicide(e. G. Killing healer in 30+ Zerg while defending keep. ) the reason I went to bow is because in the average Situation im in I need to destroy key targets (people on siege) while defending a actual resource. And for this specific objective, in my opinion the bow is the best since jumping in a gigantic zerg just to destroy the healer will result in instant death. Scribes usually waits on reinforcements routes , something that the leader of our PvP guild doesn't really approve of since it doesn't really help taking the objective. Killing people on siege and important targets does help my team, so thats what I do. Its a different playstile... But equally effective..
In one siege I actually destroyed half of the people sieging.making it possible for my team to rush out without getting fried by fireballistas.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Tyrannitar wrote: »

.... Dude, this build is utter trash. Hate to break it to you; but you lost everyone on the forum's respect when you "ganked" a lvl 35.... Not to mention you say you "like to survive the gank" and don't run a single piece of heavy???

You're a zerg-pug and anyone who says any different has no idea how this game works.

Distance is a way better protection then heavy armor my friend. And of course I ganked him , shall I let him go just because he isn't maxed? Did people let me go as I,was a lowie?? No is the answer. And for a explanation check the previous comment XD
And about zerging... Do you even know what zerging means??? Do you know where the term comes.from???
And btw everyone either zergs in PvP or getts zerged its that simple. So yeah im a zerger and proud of it XD

IlCanis_LupuslI

Your_Toy wrote: »

Did you just run around spamming snipe and say that it was a good build? Man the console players have it so easy.

You know what , try going out and just spamming snipes. I see it all the time with other people its pretty hilarious because they do, zero damage. XD

IlCanis_LupuslI

Kutsuu wrote: »

leem1988 wrote: »

I don't see anything wrong with this style of ganking, Zergbad used to do it all the time with alchemist/flanking/kena.

He was initially using a build that 1-shotted with snipe, then switched to the method than Xin/Sribes now use after the nerfs. Zergbad understood very clearly the need to kill before players could react for it to be an actual gank.

I'm not saying that it's impossible to kill people by spamming snipe, I mean look at the video, but I personally don't build my play style around potato players that are outclassed by NPC guards.

Its actually supereasy m8. And i have killed Players who presume have experience (flawless conquerors, prefecr or other high ranks) . Actually its very common. Its all about where you stand and when you attack for this to work out. And i enjoy waiting for this perfect time its a bit like opening a present and not knowing what's in it XD

IlCanis_LupuslI

pieratsos wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

I really dont understand why you are beeing so salty m8 XD
anyway it wasnt 7 snipes against that 40k dude it was 4 and he was on his oil not afk because i saw him dumping them.
And of course i dont gank...... I attack people.... From stealth..... who arent aware im there...... And burst them down.... then vanish.... Nooo not ganking.... Not at all :P And is ganking not just a different way of doing damage?? Your logic is really hard to understand at this point....
And i dont aim to impress... i aim to get more ap XD.....
And animation cancel hardly helps on this setup appart on while buffing.... Ofcourse you could animation cancel the lethal arrows themselves but then im guessing youll get banned at least thats what happened to the last dude who did that repeatedly... got reported by every guy he killed that way
You can call me bad.... you can insult me all you want... all i really care about is the amount of alliance points i get this way....

Im not salty. You can play whatever build you want and do whatever u want with it. The problem isnt that u spam snipe on random people. The problem is that u are doing it, and then try to convince people that its a good build and that u are skilled by lying to them even tho the videos u provided are showing the exact opposite.

You casted snipe 6 times, he died in 5 and 4 of them were crits. So if u were not lucky with the crits it would take even more. Anw thats not the point. The point is that it took you 8 seconds to kill him and he didnt react at all. You didnt even burst him down. 5k DPS is not considered a burst from stealth. He just stood there till he was dead. You did not kill him because you are skilled, you killed him because he has no clue and any other player that is skilled and playing a build with a lot of burst would kill him much much faster.

Ganking is a different playstyle. The aim of ganking is to kill unaware people before they even have time to react so its sort of what u are trying to do (and in most cases you fail) and even tho ganking does not require you to be actually a skilled player it certainly does require more skill than what u are doing. Even a gank build with procs requires more skill than what u are doing. You are not ganking cause you give people plenty of time to react in most occassions and they die because they are potatoes. You do not kill skilled players. You are basically spamming snipes and nothing more. It requires absolutely no skill so stop trying to convince people that you are good. In fact the only occasions that u could actually prove to people that u are "skilled" you fail to do it. Casting a random dawnbreaker on someone without animation cancelling it that barely took him to 50% hp and even tho he was still on the ground instead of finish him u started healing for no reason. Never doing a light/heavy attacks for ult regen. Spamming poison injections without animation cancelling them. Those are basic things that any skilled player know how to do.

Animation cancelling isnt gonna get you banned. Its part of the game for years and the fact that you regard it as some sort of cheating is another evidence that you have no idea about what u are talking about.

I have nothing personal with you and like i said you can play however you want. But lying and spreading bs just to prove ur point isnt helping you so just stop.

Aaahm firing 6 snipes in 1 Sek is going to get you a warning. Trust me i know this for a fact. Animation canceling buffs i do automatically that doesn't count in my opinions. And btw im not lying but at least you realized that you can't influence other people. And no no matter how you try you don't have the authority to tell me to stop(sorryy to break this to you,), grow up and stop beeing salty.
You Cleary didn't understand why i have db and what,morph slotted. And you think I don't have a idea what im talking about????
You'll have to live thst every person is different people have different stiles of playing in which they can be very successful at.
And just because u say im lying and talking bs doesn't mean its true.,thats just your personal opinion.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Derra wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

And no its not a bug... People are just surprised i guess or the lag is so bad by the time the game gets that they want to break free my arrows have killed them already....
There always is a short time period you have to evade death.... its just very short in my case... Unless you have under 23k health and under 2k crit resistance... then of course u r a "One-Hit-Wonder"
And the reason i ambush people vs open fighting is because people hitting like trucks in heavy armor with endless resources a open combat would be simply suicidal unless you counter with the same setup "Black rose, Tremorscale, Vipers Sting"
And i simply refuse to go mainstream XD

The fact that you´re unaware of all casted skills having a bug where the skill animations and sounds disappear when fired from stealth or animationcanceled properly baffles me.
Also snipe has healthdesynct players since way before the game even came out on consolse (and still does).

What you´re describing as lag on the receiving end is exactly the bug. There is no lag. The casted skill from stealth is exactly what´s causing this behavior.

Usually what happened when People try ambushing me is that i get stunned but take no damage, so,break out dodge roll and voala no damage

Kutsuu

Derra wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

And no its not a bug... People are just surprised i guess or the lag is so bad by the time the game gets that they want to break free my arrows have killed them already....
There always is a short time period you have to evade death.... its just very short in my case... Unless you have under 23k health and under 2k crit resistance... then of course u r a "One-Hit-Wonder"
And the reason i ambush people vs open fighting is because people hitting like trucks in heavy armor with endless resources a open combat would be simply suicidal unless you counter with the same setup "Black rose, Tremorscale, Vipers Sting"
And i simply refuse to go mainstream XD

The fact that you´re unaware of all casted skills having a bug where the skill animations and sounds disappear when fired from stealth or animationcanceled properly baffles me.
Also snipe has healthdesynct players since way before the game even came out on consolse (and still does).

What you´re describing as lag on the receiving end is exactly the bug. There is no lag. The casted skill from stealth is exactly what´s causing this behavior.

You can't animation cancel snipe, or any other channeled/cast time skill. You can animation cancel the trailing animation at best. Also since the change that came recently (with DB I think?) to animation cancelling, all sounds for skills now play even if block cancelled or swap cancelled. They also jacked up animation cancelling so people get stuck in heavy attacks and other bugs... but that's a different discussion.

Also they nerfed stealth AGES ago - going on a year at this point. You can hear people buffing and using skills/attacks from stealth now. Not only that, but from the same range you can hear a player who's not stealthed. Because of this, I now PVP with headphones and my effects volume jacked up. You can hear a ganker casting radiant magelight from roughly 25m away. You can hear a heavy bow attack being released with roughly 1/2 a second of lead time before it lands. It was a ninja nerf, no patch notes to my knowledge. I learned it when I went to gank one of my buddies while we were in TS together and he said "I heard you casting magelight" when I asked him why he blocked.

IlCanis_LupuslI

And with all the lags, loading screens and game crashes its hard to keep track what's broken and what's normal. So no since I have never been kills in This way(just falling down dead) I don't know its bugged. Usually when i die to lethal arrow I see the arrows flying towards me and cannot avoid them usually because im ccd or 5 other people are snaring me and spamming gapclosers. So on that note... Seems unbugged to me??? Maby im just lucky

SneaK

The real trick is to only target people on their mounts.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Kutsuu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

And no its not a bug... People are just surprised i guess or the lag is so bad by the time the game gets that they want to break free my arrows have killed them already....
There always is a short time period you have to evade death.... its just very short in my case... Unless you have under 23k health and under 2k crit resistance... then of course u r a "One-Hit-Wonder"
And the reason i ambush people vs open fighting is because people hitting like trucks in heavy armor with endless resources a open combat would be simply suicidal unless you counter with the same setup "Black rose, Tremorscale, Vipers Sting"
And i simply refuse to go mainstream XD

The fact that you´re unaware of all casted skills having a bug where the skill animations and sounds disappear when fired from stealth or animationcanceled properly baffles me.
Also snipe has healthdesynct players since way before the game even came out on consolse (and still does).

What you´re describing as lag on the receiving end is exactly the bug. There is no lag. The casted skill from stealth is exactly what´s causing this behavior.

You can't animation cancel snipe, or any other channeled/cast time skill. You can animation cancel the trailing animation at best. Also since the change that came recently (with DB I think?) to animation cancelling, all sounds for skills now play even if block cancelled or swap cancelled. They also jacked up animation cancelling so people get stuck in heavy attacks and other bugs... but that's a different discussion.

Also they nerfed stealth AGES ago - going on a year at this point. You can hear people buffing and using skills/attacks from stealth now. Not only that, but from the same range you can hear a player who's not stealthed. Because of this, I now PVP with headphones and my effects volume jacked up. You can hear a ganker casting radiant magelight from roughly 25m away. You can hear a heavy bow attack being released with roughly 1/2 a second of lead time before it lands. It was a ninja nerf, no patch notes to my knowledge. I learned it when I went to gank one of my buddies while we were in TS together and he said "I heard you casting magelight" when I asked him why he blocked.

Nice thanks for the head up.
Need to always attack at maximal distance so that they don't Btw i cant quite explain how that dude did it but my buddy a 75k health 40k resistances Dk tank got hit by 7 animation cancelled focused aimes in 0.5 sek and insta.died... So it must,be possible.by exploiting some glitch. I now that Lethal arrows can be heard, when fired from stealth just thought it was just a nother bug in the game XD
Thanks for that never tested it.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Was the Same dude who got a warning from ZOS for doing that(i know this cause pretty much our entire alliance reported him and suddenly he stopped doing it XD) . Btw(thats what I ment as I said it could get you banned)

pieratsos

Yeah animation cancelling is casting 7 abilities in 0.5 seconds. Im sorry for telling you earlier that u dont know what animation cancelling is. You clearly have it nailed.

leem1988

Kutsuu wrote: »

leem1988 wrote: »

I don't see anything wrong with this style of ganking, Zergbad used to do it all the time with alchemist/flanking/kena.

He was initially using a build that 1-shotted with snipe, then switched to the method than Xin/Sribes now use after the nerfs. Zergbad understood very clearly the need to kill before players could react for it to be an actual gank.

I'm not saying that it's impossible to kill people by spamming snipe, I mean look at the video, but I personally don't build my play style around potato players that are outclassed by NPC guards.

Does Zergbad still play? I haven't seen him around since he got banned from Twitch.

IlCanis_LupuslI

SneaK wrote: »

The real trick is to only target people on their mounts.

Inside a fort where i usually “hunt“?
I wish but usually people don't make it that easy XD

IlCanis_LupuslI

pieratsos wrote: »

Yeah animation cancelling is casting 7 abilities in 0.5 seconds. Im sorry for telling you earlier that u dont know what animation cancelling is. You clearly have it nailed.

I know what animation canceling is(reducing casttime if abilities by interrupting with block , or barswitch, blablabla). I do it 24 /7 on my healer in raids where the game doesnt run with a felt 1 frame per second(pvp console).But if hitting someone with 7 simioultanisly focused aim isn't animation cancelling what is it??? Solve this mystery o great ESO Master rofl.

raasdal

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Yeah animation cancelling is casting 7 abilities in 0.5 seconds. Im sorry for telling you earlier that u dont know what animation cancelling is. You clearly have it nailed.

I know what animation canceling is(reducing casttime if abilities by interrupting with block , or barswitch, blablabla). I do it 24 /7 on my healer in raids where the game doesnt run with a felt 1 frame per second(pvp console).But if hitting someone with 7 simioultanisly focused aim isn't animation cancelling what is it??? Solve this mystery o great ESO Master rofl.

Hitting someone with 7 snipes in less than a second has nothing to do with animation cancelling at all.

IF that did indeed happen, it would be either due to lag, CE or just some very specific glitch/bug for that.

Animation cancelling is the cancelling of the animation of a single skill. Animation cancelling will never let you cheat game mechanics.

Oh, and you cant even animation cancel snipe in any way. So that is why this other guy is pelting you about not knowing what AC is. Just FYI.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Well obviously there musst be a way to do it(and that duds figured it out)) its probably maby only when u combine it with certain attacks and then cancel it or something..... Its probably just not known yet. But thanks for the heads up understanding that dude is kinda hard with all the verbal diarriah he is writing XD.
It could be lag but it always happened in the same way so I don't think that was coincidental.

runningtings

Play the game however you want to, but realise that some people will just not appreciate certain playstyles.
Personally I love killing people with an arrow from the top of a keep.

Kram8ion

Wow I don't see anything "shameful "about your build, spriggans and marksman is a reliable combo that's pretty accessible and dare I say it purposely built for pvp, I've even used that exact same set up and played the same way at the early proc days so keep playing the way you like

IlCanis_LupuslI

runningtings wrote: »

Play the game however you want to, but realise that some people will just not appreciate certain playstyles.
Personally I love killing people with an arrow from the top of a keep.

Just like i “appreciate “ every stam build running around with the Same boring setup XD. Oh i know not everyone will “appreciate “ it( usually the people on the receiving end XD)
But if you don't , just don't bother commenting. I would like to know that dudes setup thou, probably stam dk or sorc, black rose, vipers sting and temorscale XD

BohnT

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Try using agony right after you fire the second shot it'll make it so easy to kill almost anyone you see. They can't dodge it unless shuffle procs.

Sry im not a big fan of using magica attacks as a stam build XD

I know it sounds very odd but try it. You only need that ranged cc the damage is useless but the cc helps so much and 2 stamina drains are very strong