Why go melee gank while ranged gank is in the times of 30+ Zergs so much safer and effective ?

IlCanis_LupuslI

“But a well aimed arrow strikes forth like the fury of a god.“
I honestly don't know why nb go melee(caugh faith viper, velindteth, widow maker) gank while you can gank people easier with a bow AND have more time to run from angry comrades who want to avenge their buddies. Also if well positioned while defending in most cases you can gank over and over again from the same position without them having a clue where you are....
Also it offers more utility(i Love when People think im helpless at Close Range and get XD
The only Thing which is more difficult is the Positioning and Timing

https://youtu.be/3Abo_efsmEY
Otherwise super easy....

I mean Why endanger yourself by going Close Range if One can kill him 40+ Meters Away???
Its just Common Sense

ku5h

Because if your first arrow doent kill me, you wont kill me at all. Many have tried and failed.
On the other hand, HA+Incap+Viper+Veli is a sure kill, even tho i think its most braindead style possible!

lynog85

Awful player, awful build. How anyone can get max cp and still play like this. Baffles me.

IlCanis_LupuslI

At least i dont let my armor do my work for me

IlCanis_LupuslI

Nope, even i survive most of the proc ganks, never been 1 banged by proc sets

IlCanis_LupuslI

lynog85 wrote: »

Awful player, awful build. How anyone can get max cp and still play like this. Baffles me.

Would u prefer a Vipers , velindreth, Widowmaker Setup???? And if the build is bad what does it make all the people I nuke with it :DD

IlCanis_LupuslI

ku5h wrote: »

Because if your first arrow doent kill me, you wont kill me at all. Many have tried and failed.
On the other hand, HA+Incap+Viper+Veli is a sure kill, even tho i think its most braindead style possible!

True thats why you dont gank a person with sword and Bord , heavy armor and 50k health....

Qbiken

Top tier ganking XD

Jsmalls

Cuz no one likes farming mage books on a stamina nightblade haha.

That being said... Having been on the receiving end of this encounter several times, I hope you are well aware of the design flaws you are taking advantage of to earn a "cheap kill". Many times all of the shots you're sending out to your enemies way all pause then hit the target at the exact same time. This gives them 0 reaction time, and in fact you'll be carrying on and your health will just drop to half, then you die. This type of play style is even more cancerous than melee ganking in my opinion.

But carry on with your "kills", just wanted to make sure you were aware of the bug in the game that you are taking advantage of.

Kram8ion

Nice gameplay what sets are you wearing?

ArpamiesFin

Jsmalls wrote: »

Cuz no one likes farming mage books on a stamina nightblade haha.

That being said... Having been on the receiving end of this encounter several times, I hope you are well aware of the design flaws you are taking advantage of to earn a "cheap kill". Many times all of the shots you're sending out to your enemies way all pause then hit the target at the exact same time. This gives them 0 reaction time, and in fact you'll be carrying on and your health will just drop to half, then you die. This type of play style is even more cancerous than melee ganking in my opinion.

But carry on with your "kills", just wanted to make sure you were aware of the bug in the game that you are taking advantage of.

ou he knows

pieratsos

Great u know how to Xv1 gank, gank light armor builds with 20k hp and people who dont even know how to cc break. Nice.

lynog85

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

Awful player, awful build. How anyone can get max cp and still play like this. Baffles me.

Would u prefer a Vipers , velindreth, Widowmaker Setup???? And if the build is bad what does it make all the people I nuke with it :DD

Steven Hawking could kill someone with this garbage build, post me some wins vs good players in duels using it, i bet my house you cant.

IlCanis_LupuslI

lynog85 wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

Awful player, awful build. How anyone can get max cp and still play like this. Baffles me.

Would u prefer a Vipers , velindreth, Widowmaker Setup???? And if the build is bad what does it make all the people I nuke with it :DD

Steven Hawking could kill someone with this garbage build, post me some wins vs good players in duels using it, i bet my house you cant.

Rofl why would i attack someone who knows im there and want to attack him???
And how come i have never been oneshotted on my healer in pvp (which with my setup im certain i could do easily)????
Thats just plain stupid sry XD
If i see a player i know is good ill take every advantedge against him including waiting for him to drop shields, stop buffing himself, mounting up, him ganking someone else(in which case i attack him right when hes trying to burst down the random usually they never react in time to avoid death).
Fair??? Do i cry out not fair when a group of 5 overwhelms me, or when 3 nb simoultainiously gank me on my healer?? No thats pvp m8 live with it.

IlCanis_LupuslI

pieratsos wrote: »

Great u know how to Xv1 gank, gank light armor builds with 20k hp and people who dont even know how to cc break. Nice.

Well that means 90 percent of the people i kill wear light armor have 20k hp and dont know how to cc break lol.
No true i have ganked 35k Hp people in heavy armor..,.
But do you know what???/ GO AND TEACH THEM WHAT TO DO !!!! XD

IlCanis_LupuslI

Kram8ion wrote: »

Nice gameplay what sets are you wearing?

5 Piece Spriggans Thorn(4k extra Armor Penetration), 5 Piece Marksman(8 Percent more damage with Bow attacks against Players), 1 Piece Molag Kina. With this setup i have a Maximum Armor Penetration of 15k under normal cercumstances where i dont put piercing mark on target so that he doesnt know hes beeing targetet 10k.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Jsmalls wrote: »

Cuz no one likes farming mage books on a stamina nightblade haha.

That being said... Having been on the receiving end of this encounter several times, I hope you are well aware of the design flaws you are taking advantage of to earn a "cheap kill". Many times all of the shots you're sending out to your enemies way all pause then hit the target at the exact same time. This gives them 0 reaction time, and in fact you'll be carrying on and your health will just drop to half, then you die. This type of play style is even more cancerous than melee ganking in my opinion.

But carry on with your "kills", just wanted to make sure you were aware of the bug in the game that you are taking advantage of.

Well usually i see the Arrows impact and believe me people have tried killing me the same way.
Basically if your stunned out of the blue break free and dodge roll OTHERWISE YOU WILL DIE.
I very rarely get killed by a bow ganker (maby 1 a month or so). After the first arrow hits you and stunns you you have about 0.5 sekonds to break free and doge roll. More then enough if you have fast reactions. If not your screwed....
Of course its a cheap kill. But do you know how frustrating it is when people know you are there??/ all you see is "doged", "doged", "doged" , etc.
And if you look at it tecnically ganking is a way of earning cheap kills.
Thats how it works.... And look at the bright side where would be the fun if you could feel safe while trying to crystall frag people on siege... It keeps people on their tows

IlCanis_LupuslI

And no its not a bug... People are just surprised i guess or the lag is so bad by the time the game gets that they want to break free my arrows have killed them already....
There always is a short time period you have to evade death.... its just very short in my case... Unless you have under 23k health and under 2k crit resistance... then of course u r a "One-Hit-Wonder"
And the reason i ambush people vs open fighting is because people hitting like trucks in heavy armor with endless resources a open combat would be simply suicidal unless you counter with the same setup "Black rose, Tremorscale, Vipers Sting"
And i simply refuse to go mainstream XD

lynog85

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

Awful player, awful build. How anyone can get max cp and still play like this. Baffles me.

Would u prefer a Vipers , velindreth, Widowmaker Setup???? And if the build is bad what does it make all the people I nuke with it :DD

Steven Hawking could kill someone with this garbage build, post me some wins vs good players in duels using it, i bet my house you cant.

Rofl why would i attack someone who knows im there and want to attack him???
And how come i have never been oneshotted on my healer in pvp (which with my setup im certain i could do easily)????
Thats just plain stupid sry XD
If i see a player i know is good ill take every advantedge against him including waiting for him to drop shields, stop buffing himself, mounting up, him ganking someone else(in which case i attack him right when hes trying to burst down the random usually they never react in time to avoid death).
Fair??? Do i cry out not fair when a group of 5 overwhelms me, or when 3 nb simoultainiously gank me on my healer?? No thats pvp m8 live with it.

whatever way you want to dress it up, this is a garbage build for a garbage player, go do some duelling and learn how to play your class.

Derra

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

And no its not a bug... People are just surprised i guess or the lag is so bad by the time the game gets that they want to break free my arrows have killed them already....
There always is a short time period you have to evade death.... its just very short in my case... Unless you have under 23k health and under 2k crit resistance... then of course u r a "One-Hit-Wonder"
And the reason i ambush people vs open fighting is because people hitting like trucks in heavy armor with endless resources a open combat would be simply suicidal unless you counter with the same setup "Black rose, Tremorscale, Vipers Sting"
And i simply refuse to go mainstream XD

The fact that you´re unaware of all casted skills having a bug where the skill animations and sounds disappear when fired from stealth or animationcanceled properly baffles me.
Also snipe has healthdesynct players since way before the game even came out on consolse (and still does).

What you´re describing as lag on the receiving end is exactly the bug. There is no lag. The casted skill from stealth is exactly what´s causing this behavior.

BohnT

Try using agony right after you fire the second shot it'll make it so easy to kill almost anyone you see. They can't dodge it unless shuffle procs.

pieratsos

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Great u know how to Xv1 gank, gank light armor builds with 20k hp and people who dont even know how to cc break. Nice.

Well that means 90 percent of the people i kill wear light armor have 20k hp and dont know how to cc break lol.
No true i have ganked 35k Hp people in heavy armor..,.
But do you know what???/ GO AND TEACH THEM WHAT TO DO !!!! XD

Spare me the nonsense. Im just calling out what i see in ur videos. You run in groups of 20 people killing low health targets that are already fighting or sieging and u call it "ganking". You dont even light/heavy attack to get ult. And no u dont kill heavy armor 35k hp targets. You killed only 2 people in those videos with more than 30k hp. One of them was a lvl35 that didnt even know how to cc break and the other one had 40k hp and he was afk. Thats not even debatable cause in both occassions u did like 4-5 snipes to kill them. Stop trying to convince people that u are good. You showed everyone how good u are on the first minute of the second video by throwing out a random dawnbreaker on a guy with 22k hp that did like 7k dmg. Do u even know how to animation cancel? And what u do is not even ganking. In most fights u are just sitting on top of keeps spamming snipes on random people that are just as bad as u are. If you wanna impress people with ur ganking skills, u are gonna have to try a little harder.

IlCanis_LupuslI

pieratsos wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Great u know how to Xv1 gank, gank light armor builds with 20k hp and people who dont even know how to cc break. Nice.

Well that means 90 percent of the people i kill wear light armor have 20k hp and dont know how to cc break lol.
No true i have ganked 35k Hp people in heavy armor..,.
But do you know what???/ GO AND TEACH THEM WHAT TO DO !!!! XD

Spare me the nonsense. Im just calling out what i see in ur videos. You run in groups of 20 people killing low health targets that are already fighting or sieging and u call it "ganking". You dont even light/heavy attack to get ult. And no u dont kill heavy armor 35k hp targets. You killed only 2 people in those videos with more than 30k hp. One of them was a lvl35 that didnt even know how to cc break and the other one had 40k hp and he was afk. Thats not even debatable cause


Well of course i ambush them why they are trying to kill someone on the wall. there aint no better distraction then a jucy target they can think they kill. and for a afk person he shure was very active 3 seks before i killed him. and yes i know how to animation cancel , no i dont use it because i dont need to.....
And of course i spamm snipes. just like sorcs spamm crushing shock, nb spamm surprise attack, templars spamm biting jabs etc. And the wall is a optimal shooting posistion actually one of my favorite. And if you say whats true about 80 plus percent of cyrodiil population is just as bad as i am whitch ... ... well idk youll have to ask them what they think about that XD
And btw i never liked that word anyway. i prefer ambushing and sieges are the place with the most unaware targets in one spot... thats where you can get lots of ap pretty easy with very low risk ...
And unlike the proc build gankers i can kill them while standing in a very secure position XD
Much better trust me

tplink3r1

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

Awful player, awful build. How anyone can get max cp and still play like this. Baffles me.

Would u prefer a Vipers , velindreth, Widowmaker Setup???? And if the build is bad what does it make all the people I nuke with it :DD

false dichotomy, nice try.
What a shameful build.

pieratsos

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Well of course i ambush them why they are trying to kill someone on the wall. there aint no better distraction then a jucy target they can think they kill. and for a afk person he shure was very active 3 seks before i killed him. and yes i know how to animation cancel , no i dont use it because i dont need to.....
And of course i spamm snipes. just like sorcs spamm crushing shock, nb spamm surprise attack, templars spamm biting jabs etc. And the wall is a optimal shooting posistion actually one of my favorite. And if you say whats true about 80 plus percent of cyrodiil population is just as bad as i am whitch ... ... well idk youll have to ask them what they think about that XD
And btw i never liked that word anyway. i prefer ambushing and sieges are the place with the most unaware targets in one spot... thats where you can get lots of ap pretty easy with very low risk ...
And unlike the proc build gankers i can kill them while standing in a very secure position XD
Much better trust me

First of all lying just to make ur point isnt helping you. The videos are there. I can see them. You did 6-7 snipes and it took you 8 seconds to kill him and HE DIDNT EVEN MOVE. Thats not ganking or ambushing or whatever it is you call it. Thats just you attacking someone who is afk or who is too bad to react even in 8 seconds.
Sorcs that are spamming crushing shock, nb that spamming surprise attack etc are not ganking. They are using their spammable ability to do dmg. Ganking is basically killing someone so fast out of stealth that they dont even have time to react. In ur occassion anyone who isnt wearing light armor and has at least 25k hp has plenty of time to react and if they dont is because they are bad. But thanks for admitting that u are not ganking by comparing urself to normal sorcs, nb etc. You basically just admitted im not ganking, im just sitting on top of keeps spamming snipe on random people. So like i said stop trying to impress people cause that playstyle isnt impressive. As a matter of fact that playstyle is for people who are too bad to actually get into a fight. And i highly doubt that u know how to animation cancel cause you never did it once in ur videos. And the fact that u are saying "i dont need animation cancel" shows how bad you are.

visionality

Picking up your initial question: I think the main reason why ppl don't emulate your playstyle is that it's terribly boring to most players. As you're saying yourself, you're never in danger, never taking a risk, just snipping at ppl from a safe distance and hope that your shot crits and you score a kill. Or that ppl are too stupid to block/avoid your bow ulti. And since your video never shows several kills in a row but you have recorded a number of fails, the ratio of success doesn't seem to be very impressive, either.

That being said, if this kind of playstyle is your preference, you're ofc totally entitled to love it more than anything else and regard it as superior.

IlCanis_LupuslI

pieratsos wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Well of course i ambush them why they are trying to kill someone on the wall. there aint no better distraction then a jucy target they can think they kill. and for a afk person he shure was very active 3 seks before i killed him. and yes i know how to animation cancel , no i dont use it because i dont need to.....
And of course i spamm snipes. just like sorcs spamm crushing shock, nb spamm surprise attack, templars spamm biting jabs etc. And the wall is a optimal shooting posistion actually one of my favorite. And if you say whats true about 80 plus percent of cyrodiil population is just as bad as i am whitch ... ... well idk youll have to ask them what they think about that XD
And btw i never liked that word anyway. i prefer ambushing and sieges are the place with the most unaware targets in one spot... thats where you can get lots of ap pretty easy with very low risk ...
And unlike the proc build gankers i can kill them while standing in a very secure position XD
Much better trust me

First of all lying just to make ur point isnt helping you. The videos are there. I can see them. You did 6-7 snipes and it took you 8 seconds to kill him and HE DIDNT EVEN MOVE. Thats not ganking or ambushing or whatever it is you call it. Thats just you attacking someone who is afk or who is too bad to react even in 8 seconds.
Sorcs that are spamming crushing shock, nb that spamming surprise attack etc are not ganking. They are using their spammable ability to do dmg. Ganking is basically killing someone so fast out of stealth that they dont even have time to react. In ur occassion anyone who isnt wearing light armor and has at least 25k hp has plenty of time to react and if they dont is because they are bad. But thanks for admitting that u are not ganking by comparing urself to normal sorcs, nb etc. You basically just admitted im not ganking, im just sitting on top of keeps spamming snipe on random people. So like i said stop trying to impress people cause that playstyle isnt impressive. As a matter of fact that playstyle is for people who are too bad to actually get into a fight. And i highly doubt that u know how to animation cancel cause you never did it once in ur videos. And the fact that u are saying "i dont need animation cancel" shows how bad you are.

pieratsos wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Well of course i ambush them why they are trying to kill someone on the wall. there aint no better distraction then a jucy target they can think they kill. and for a afk person he shure was very active 3 seks before i killed him. and yes i know how to animation cancel , no i dont use it because i dont need to.....
And of course i spamm snipes. just like sorcs spamm crushing shock, nb spamm surprise attack, templars spamm biting jabs etc. And the wall is a optimal shooting posistion actually one of my favorite. And if you say whats true about 80 plus percent of cyrodiil population is just as bad as i am whitch ... ... well idk youll have to ask them what they think about that XD
And btw i never liked that word anyway. i prefer ambushing and sieges are the place with the most unaware targets in one spot... thats where you can get lots of ap pretty easy with very low risk ...
And unlike the proc build gankers i can kill them while standing in a very secure position XD
Much better trust me

First of all lying just to make ur point isnt helping you. The videos are there. I can see them. You did 6-7 snipes and it took you 8 seconds to kill him and HE DIDNT EVEN MOVE. Thats not ganking or ambushing or whatever it is you call it. Thats just you attacking someone who is afk or who is too bad to react even in 8 seconds.
Sorcs that are spamming crushing shock, nb that spamming surprise attack etc are not ganking. They are using their spammable ability to do dmg. Ganking is basically killing someone so fast out of stealth that they dont even have time to react. In ur occassion anyone who isnt wearing light armor and has at least 25k hp has plenty of time to react and if they dont is because they are bad. But thanks for admitting that u are not ganking by comparing urself to normal sorcs, nb etc. You basically just admitted im not ganking, im just sitting on top of keeps spamming snipe on random people. So like i said stop trying to impress people cause that playstyle isnt impressive. As a matter of fact that playstyle is for people who are too bad to actually get into a fight. And i highly doubt that u know how to animation cancel cause you never did it once in ur videos. And the fact that u are saying "i dont need animation cancel" shows how bad you are.

Well ganlib Hb i n

lynog85 wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

Awful player, awful build. How anyone can get max cp and still play like this. Baffles me.

Would u prefer a Vipers , velindreth, Widowmaker Setup???? And if the build is bad what does it make all the people I nuke with it :DD

Steven Hawking could kill someone with this garbage build, post me some wins vs good players in duels using it, i bet my house you cant.

Rofl why would i attack someone who knows im there and want to attack him???
And how come i have never been oneshotted on my healer in pvp (which with my setup im certain i could do easily)????
Thats just plain stupid sry XD
If i see a player i know is good ill take every advantedge against him including waiting for him to drop shields, stop buffing himself, mounting up, him ganking someone else(in which case i attack him right when hes trying to burst down the random usually they never react in time to avoid death).
Fair??? Do i cry out not fair when a group of 5 overwhelms me, or when 3 nb simoultainiously gank me on my healer?? No thats pvp m8 live with it.

whatever way you want to dress it up, this is a garbage build for a garbage player, go do some duelling and learn how to play your class.

Do you mean by learning how to play my class that i put on Vipers Sting, black rose and velindreth???

IlCanis_LupuslI

visionality wrote: »

Picking up your initial question: I think the main reason why ppl don't emulate your playstyle is that it's terribly boring to most players. As you're saying yourself, you're never in danger, never taking a risk, just snipping at ppl from a safe distance and hope that your shot crits and you score a kill. Or that ppl are too stupid to block/avoid your bow ulti. And since your video never shows several kills in a row but you have recorded a number of fails, the ratio of success doesn't seem to be very impressive, either.

That being said, if this kind of playstyle is your preference, you're ofc totally entitled to love it more than anything else and regard it as superior.

I wouldnt really regard it as superior since the success rate is minimal worse then melee ambush builds buuuuut my survival rate is a lot higher then those setups.... in 90 percent in pvp when i see one of those setups he kills one person , then dies 10 seks later because the 10 guys next to the victim are chasing him down..... me ..... im usually miles away by the time they realize it....

IlCanis_LupuslI

pieratsos wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Well of course i ambush them why they are trying to kill someone on the wall. there aint no better distraction then a jucy target they can think they kill. and for a afk person he shure was very active 3 seks before i killed him. and yes i know how to animation cancel , no i dont use it because i dont need to.....
And of course i spamm snipes. just like sorcs spamm crushing shock, nb spamm surprise attack, templars spamm biting jabs etc. And the wall is a optimal shooting posistion actually one of my favorite. And if you say whats true about 80 plus percent of cyrodiil population is just as bad as i am whitch ... ... well idk youll have to ask them what they think about that XD
And btw i never liked that word anyway. i prefer ambushing and sieges are the place with the most unaware targets in one spot... thats where you can get lots of ap pretty easy with very low risk ...
And unlike the proc build gankers i can kill them while standing in a very secure position XD
Much better trust me

First of all lying just to make ur point isnt helping you. The videos are there. I can see them. You did 6-7 snipes and it took you 8 seconds to kill him and HE DIDNT EVEN MOVE. Thats not ganking or ambushing or whatever it is you call it. Thats just you attacking someone who is afk or who is too bad to react even in 8 seconds.
Sorcs that are spamming crushing shock, nb that spamming surprise attack etc are not ganking. They are using their spammable ability to do dmg. Ganking is basically killing someone so fast out of stealth that they dont even have time to react. In ur occassion anyone who isnt wearing light armor and has at least 25k hp has plenty of time to react and if they dont is because they are bad. But thanks for admitting that u are not ganking by comparing urself to normal sorcs, nb etc. You basically just admitted im not ganking, im just sitting on top of keeps spamming snipe on random people. So like i said stop trying to impress people cause that playstyle isnt impressive. As a matter of fact that playstyle is for people who are too bad to actually get into a fight. And i highly doubt that u know how to animation cancel cause you never did it once in ur videos. And the fact that u are saying "i dont need animation cancel" shows how bad you are.

I really dont understand why you are beeing so salty m8 XD
anyway it wasnt 7 snipes against that 40k dude it was 4 and he was on his oil not afk because i saw him dumping them.
And of course i dont gank...... I attack people.... From stealth..... who arent aware im there...... And burst them down.... then vanish.... Nooo not ganking.... Not at all :P And is ganking not just a different way of doing damage?? Your logic is really hard to understand at this point....
And i dont aim to impress... i aim to get more ap XD.....
And animation cancel hardly helps on this setup appart on while buffing.... Ofcourse you could animation cancel the lethal arrows themselves but then im guessing youll get banned at least thats what happened to the last dude who did that repeatedly... got reported by every guy he killed that way
You can call me bad.... you can insult me all you want... all i really care about is the amount of alliance points i get this way....

IlCanis_LupuslI

And do you know what i think?? you are probably one of the players running around with black rose, tremor scale, etc. one of those proc build tank dd setups... And think that your the best player on ESO. Well guess what... There is something called Build diversity.. that means that not every nb runns around with the same boring setup because it is easy...
Some people prefer different things.... So suck it up buttercup. and try beeing a bit more constructive

IlCanis_LupuslI

BohnT wrote: »

Try using agony right after you fire the second shot it'll make it so easy to kill almost anyone you see. They can't dodge it unless shuffle procs.

Sry im not a big fan of using magica attacks as a stam build XD