Add cast times to BOL and Vigor

AzuraKin

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

this is a horrible request.
my nightblade most of the time never even gets enough healing, hes usualy dead within a few moments of toe to toe fights. [in pvp]
it is only "sometimes" that by spaming vigor that im able to survive.
and you want to put it on a timer that i can only use it once in a while ?
uh, no, i do not want this!

spam? you do know vigor dont stack right?

Ashamray

Paraflex wrote: »

Best mag heal in the game is BOL and it's a smart heal.

Lol button, please

ForsakenSin

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AzuraKin wrote: »

many have tried, very very very few succeed in killing me, and none, not even stealth stamblades have instakilled me.

LOL Buddy i would be careful with that claim on a forum if i was you ... you do realize you probably just painted a red target on your back ... and allot of people just though " Challenge Accepted " good luck buddy

AzuraKin

ForsakenSin wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

many have tried, very very very few succeed in killing me, and none, not even stealth stamblades have instakilled me.

LOL Buddy i would be careful with that claim on a forum if i was you ... you do realize you probably just painted a red target on your back ... and allot of people just though " Challenge Accepted " good luck buddy
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lol red target for what? being targeted in pvp? guess what templar healers already have a big huge target on thier back.

Gilvoth

AzuraKin wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

this is a horrible request.
my nightblade most of the time never even gets enough healing, hes usualy dead within a few moments of toe to toe fights. [in pvp]
it is only "sometimes" that by spaming vigor that im able to survive.
and you want to put it on a timer that i can only use it once in a while ?
uh, no, i do not want this!

spam? you do know vigor dont stack right?

when i hit vigor, it heals me like 11% more health, if i spam it, it then will in a few moments get me to almost full health if i spam it.
and by "spam it" i mean keep hitting it over and over and over

the suggestion that my ability to spam it be removed and it be that i can only use it on a timer is just a horrible idea and request that i hope Never happens!

AzuraKin

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

this is a horrible request.
my nightblade most of the time never even gets enough healing, hes usualy dead within a few moments of toe to toe fights. [in pvp]
it is only "sometimes" that by spaming vigor that im able to survive.
and you want to put it on a timer that i can only use it once in a while ?
uh, no, i do not want this!

spam? you do know vigor dont stack right?

when i hit vigor, it heals me like 11% more health, if i spam it, it then will in a few moments get me to almost full health if i spam it.
and by "spam it" i mean keep hitting it over and over and over

the suggestion that my ability to spam it be removed and it be that i can only use it on a timer is just a horrible idea and request that i hope Never happens!

vigor heals over 6s, its not a tiered heal meaning casting again before at least 5s is wasting your stamina.

Gilvoth

ok let me be clear on this

if i hit "vigor one time, it just increases my hp regen and gives me just a small amount of health back,


but if i SPAM it and hit it over and over and over repeatedly it will in a few moments heal me to about 80% fuill health.

please stop saying different.

and i say again,
this is a horrible request.
my nightblade most of the time never even gets enough healing, hes usualy dead within a few moments of toe to toe fights. [in pvp]
it is only "sometimes" that by spaming vigor that im able to survive.
and you want to put it on a timer that i can only use it once in a while ?
uh, no, i do not want this!

lolo_01b16_ESO

You know that there already is skill in the game, which is cheaper than bol, heals for more than bol does and targets 6 players? Have you ever wondered why almost noone is using it (apart from some low levels on bwb)?
Yes, you're right, it's because it has a cast time and you can't afford a cast time on a heal in a game where you can drop from full hp to dead in 2sec or less.

AzuraKin

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

ok let me be clear on this

if i hit "vigor one time, it just increases my hp regen and gives me just a small amount of health back,


but if i SPAM it and hit it over and over and over repeatedly it will in a few moments heal me to about 80% fuill health.

please stop saying different.

and i say again,
this is a horrible request.
my nightblade most of the time never even gets enough healing, hes usualy dead within a few moments of toe to toe fights. [in pvp]
it is only "sometimes" that by spaming vigor that im able to survive.
and you want to put it on a timer that i can only use it once in a while ?
uh, no, i do not want this!

and again you missing the whole point, every time you cast it, it uses up your resources, but you gain no additional hps from the heal because you are just refreshing it. should not hit vigor more then 1 time every 5s to optimize resource management.

mtwiggz

I've seen a lot of ridiculous ideas on these forums throughout the past few years. This has got to place in the Top 3 most ridiculously moronic ideas. Please, PLEASE, delete your forum account and never threaten us with another ounce of your stupidity.

FriedEggSandwich

Cast times are bad. If you want to ruin a skill add a cast time. I don't think either skill needs a nerf (BoL already hits less targets than it used to), but assuming they did a cast time would still be a bad idea imo. Pls no cast times.

Paraflex

mtwiggz wrote: »

I've seen a lot of ridiculous ideas on these forums throughout the past few years. This has got to place in the Top 3 most ridiculously moronic ideas. Please, PLEASE, delete your forum account and never threaten us with another ounce of your stupidity.

Solid feedback way to add value to a thread....

Stoopid_Nwah

I know you posted in the pvp forums, but I cannot wait to see the forumplars lose their **** over the idea of breath of life having a cast time in pve. And you're absolutely right that tons of stam players would be upset about this...how exactly do you expect them to survive in the procburst meta if their heal over time takes time to even cast ...

mtwiggz

Paraflex wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

I've seen a lot of ridiculous ideas on these forums throughout the past few years. This has got to place in the Top 3 most ridiculously moronic ideas. Please, PLEASE, delete your forum account and never threaten us with another ounce of your stupidity.

Solid feedback way to add value to a thread....

You want value? Okay.

Adding a cast time to BoL will only prevent people from using it and force people into Healing Spings builds for group PvP. Healing Springs provides some really nasty lag in high density areas and further reinforces the "ball group" zergs. Cyrodiil does not need more zergs nor lag. Other than that adding a cast time - which would be interruptible - completely ruins the skill and would make survival in outnumbered situations even more difficult.

Healing Ward, Mutagen, Combat Prayer and Healing Springs will not suffice to heal a group in PvP while facing another skilled group. TTK in this game is already super low in the current meta - other than tank builds that are basically just moving Ultimate Regen Kiosks.

Adding a cast time to Vigor will prevent people from using it, as Vigor is the only stamina heal that doesn't require a specific weapon type, taking away its versatility is a terrible idea. If you needed to cast Vigor and wait 1+ seconds for it to actually heal you in this burst meta you will be dead before it even ticks once. Rendering the skill pointless. Not to mention being able to interrupt channeled abilities would mean you could interrupt a players heal, both features making it even more difficult to fight in out numbered situations.

@Paraflex I apologize for not mentioning these points on my original post. I figured anyone that actually plays the game, especially PvP, would see these points as pure common sense. Apparently I overestimated some people's intelligence.

ScooberSteve

So add a cast time to a heal that is already over time? If you cant kill people in cyrodiil doesnt mean there is something wrong with the mechanics.

a1i3nz

Lmao what a bad idea

Kiss VMA and all trials goodbye

Alucardo

Stam users would be sitting ducks if Vigor had a cast time. We rely on mobility, not shields. Stupidest idea 2k16.

olsborg

The shields also need a cast time.

nordsavage

NO. Now turn in your forum stars. I am resetting to one star. Damned PvP'ers never think about the set backs to PvE. We have endured enough garbage resulting from that terribly implemented side of the game.

White wabbit

So instead of breath of life , channel of life by the time it's channelled your dead

a1i3nz

Ohhhhhhhhh how could we be so gullible

He got us #trolloftheyear

iseko

Im going to point something out that some people have said before already.

Templars have a heal which is stronger then BoL but has a cast time (morphed) of 1.3 seconds. Noone uses it in pvp except for very rare instances. Because

a) cast time = interruptable
b) TTK is roughly 2 seconds if not less. Having a cast time on a heal in pvp is a no no

This single change would instantly nerf magicka templars into the ground in its entirety.

I dont see why it has to be nerfed. The skill is pretty damn expensive to spam... Magicka templars have terrible resource management and terrible mobility. All they have going for them: be a fortress. Admittedly they are quite good at it. Take away BoL and they are free AP

I can just picture all those NB's going: "If its free its for meeeee!!!"

WuffyCerulei

How about no... You PvP-only people need to realize that such nerfs would devastate the PvE community, which is also very important in ESO. I'm not a PvE carebear as you poos like to refer to the other half of the game. I do plenty of both, and unfortunately PvE has been pretty hurt by all the nerfs you guys want.
Vigor is pretty much the only viable heal for any stamina build. Also, Breath of Life is expensive. BoL spammers either have high magicka recovery or crap sustain. It doesn't have the better sustain Honor the Dead has. So no, no nerfs.

ScooberSteve

If you cant be good at pvp in todays eso then something is wrong. Its never been easier for new players with the multiple proc stacking.

AzuraKin

actually, there isnt any issue with adding a cast time to bol. it in fact wouldnt really change the skill much for those toons that build for bol. only difference a 1s cast time would make to bol would be only a delay in start of the spam. and guess what, pvp is THE END GAME CONTENT OF ESO. shouldnt have a heal that is so mega op for a 1v1 situation. take a mageplar pit him against anyone in 1v1, and you would have to burst 25k dps withing 2s tops to kill a templar.

akl77

If you really want 1.5 second heal that's fine, but heal all group member instead of just 2.

AzuraKin

akl77 wrote: »

If you really want 1.5 second heal that's fine, but heal all group member instead of just 2.

actually naw, see the following post for an idea for a groupcentric ideas.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/272569/idea-for-a-new-mechanic-for-the-game-groupcentric-idea#latest

altemriel

Paraflex wrote: »

Best mag heal in the game is BOL and it's a smart heal.

Best stam heal in the game is Vigor and it's a heal over time.

I think by adding a cast time of 1.5 seconds would help balance PvP in the game. I think people will have to adjust to the new pace of the game. Having the best heals in the game interruptible will make people use other skills like healing springs which is strong but you have to target an area and actually think about the placement.

Pros -
Healing will be skillful
You will have to think about your timing
No more spamming BOL for Templars of any type
Good bye block casting BOL bots.
Less heals per second which changes the meta.
1v1s will go faster
Zergs will die faster

Cons-
Shields could be used more frequently
You get bashed but that's the risk you take.
Tons of stam classes will be upset about this.
Could effect PVE but iv done enough trials healing springs and healing orbs do the job.


This game is way to easy to heal. Iv played a long list of PvP games and never seen a healing Templar be so effective and tanky at the same time. I usually heal in PvP groups and I am very effective at it.

After all the changes BOL has had over the years I still think it's to strong. This is coming from a healer Templar. Yes I play damage and have a flawless Mag NB so I'm not clueless on how damage works in the game.

You can see with Stam sorcs dark deal in the game is still very effective. Changes like this could be healthy for the game. Although I think it's bugged right now as you get resources even when it's bashed.

Iv added some videos of myself in action healing groups it's just to easy to heal on Templars.

Nerf my favorite class and style for the greater good of PvP!

https://youtu.be/SyeGXPZ_uxk

https://youtu.be/jpyxR0ixQaI

nope !!

threefarms

Balance PVP, maybe. You'll *** off a shi.t load of PVE players.

EsoRecon

I skimmed through this thread in about 30 secs and I hate it already.