Add cast times to BOL and Vigor

Paraflex

Best mag heal in the game is BOL and it's a smart heal.

Best stam heal in the game is Vigor and it's a heal over time.

I think by adding a cast time of 1.5 seconds would help balance PvP in the game. I think people will have to adjust to the new pace of the game. Having the best heals in the game interruptible will make people use other skills like healing springs which is strong but you have to target an area and actually think about the placement.

Pros -
Healing will be skillful
You will have to think about your timing
No more spamming BOL for Templars of any type
Good bye block casting BOL bots.
Less heals per second which changes the meta.
1v1s will go faster
Zergs will die faster

Cons-
Shields could be used more frequently
You get bashed but that's the risk you take.
Tons of stam classes will be upset about this.
Could effect PVE but iv done enough trials healing springs and healing orbs do the job.


This game is way to easy to heal. Iv played a long list of PvP games and never seen a healing Templar be so effective and tanky at the same time. I usually heal in PvP groups and I am very effective at it.

After all the changes BOL has had over the years I still think it's to strong. This is coming from a healer Templar. Yes I play damage and have a flawless Mag NB so I'm not clueless on how damage works in the game.

You can see with Stam sorcs dark deal in the game is still very effective. Changes like this could be healthy for the game. Although I think it's bugged right now as you get resources even when it's bashed.

Iv added some videos of myself in action healing groups it's just to easy to heal on Templars.

Nerf my favorite class and style for the greater good of PvP!

https://youtu.be/SyeGXPZ_uxk

https://youtu.be/jpyxR0ixQaI

OurOwn

Lol you mean just use healing ritual?

Akinos

No, just no. Defiantly not on BoL. Once a templar starts spamming BoL, often times thats the only skill you'll use until you are either out of resources or help arrives. Especially in this proc heavy insta kill meta. Vigor on the other hand, you can cast it and just keep on fighting, fire and forget basically.

Putting a cast time on BoL would effectively make that skill worthless, might as well use ritual at that point. Putting a cast time on Vigor? That might work? I don't know.

Paraflex

OurOwn wrote: »

Lol you mean just use healing ritual?

Healing ritual isn't a smart heal it heals a radius around you. It works very different from BOL

Healing ritual is 10m radius with a 1.5 sec cast time.

BOL is 28m ranged heal they function very differently even with a cast time added to both.

Sandman929

Is TTK still not short enough?

CultOfMMO

im not a pvp'er but lemme put it to you this way

imagine how god damn idiotic it would feel for any stam build, minus sorc, to do vMA if vigor has a cast time

White wabbit

Hmmm No No No No No god when won't people leave breath of life alone you got it nerfed before what more do you want

Paraflex

White wabbit wrote: »

Hmmm No No No No No god when won't people leave breath of life alone you got it nerfed before what more do you want

It's still top of the food chain with all those nerfs

Sandman929

Paraflex wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Hmmm No No No No No god when won't people leave breath of life alone you got it nerfed before what more do you want

It's still top of the food chain with all those nerfs

Should it not be? It's a heal in the class line devoted to healing.

White wabbit

And again just to suit the PvP crowd it seems that's where most of the nerf thread generate from

Akinos

Paraflex wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Hmmm No No No No No god when won't people leave breath of life alone you got it nerfed before what more do you want

It's still top of the food chain with all those nerfs

No it's not. Heals over time are way better in this game. Be happy there isn't a decent magicka heal over time that doesn't require you to use a crap weapon line.

Izaki

What on earth did I just read?!

Isellskooma

If this would happen you would need vigor to be a instant heal like breath of life 10k+.

Paraflex

Akinos wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Hmmm No No No No No god when won't people leave breath of life alone you got it nerfed before what more do you want

It's still top of the food chain with all those nerfs

No it's not. Heals over time are way better in this game. Be happy there isn't a decent magicka heal over time that doesn't require you to use a crap weapon line.

I disagree

Healing springs is great when people stack and is cost effective

Healing orbs is great when people stack in a direction

What are you using mutagen to keep people alive?

BOL is the only smart heal in the game that has max range is heals a target for 30k+ with a crit

Paraflex

Isellskooma wrote: »

If this would happen you would need vigor to be a instant heal like breath of life 10k+.

Yea maybe that's the right approach makes sense atleast.

Vyle_Byte

You want to nerf 2 heals in a game where the meta is to dish out as much damage as fast as possible with sets that do it for you?

How bout umm...... no.

Paraflex

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

You want to nerf 2 heals in a game where the meta is to dish out as much damage as fast as possible with sets that do it for you?

How bout umm...... no.

Sounds like they have lots to balance as burst dps is the real root problem

Dovahmiim

Something tells me that OP has never played outside of a large ball group lol...

Paraflex

Dovahmiim wrote: »

Something tells me that OP has never played outside of a large ball group lol...

Iv got lots of solo experience, dueling experience, small groups of less than 4 experience.

ForsakenSin

Paraflex wrote: »

Best mag heal in the game is BOL and it's a smart heal.

Best stam heal in the game is Vigor and it's a heal over time.

I think by adding a cast time of 1.5 seconds would help balance PvP in the game. I think people will have to adjust to the new pace of the game. Having the best heals in the game interruptible will make people use other skills like healing springs which is strong but you have to target an area and actually think about the placement.

Pros -
Healing will be skillful
You will have to think about your timing
No more spamming BOL for Templars of any type
Good bye block casting BOL bots.
Less heals per second which changes the meta.
1v1s will go faster
Zergs will die faster

Cons-
Shields could be used more frequently
You get bashed but that's the risk you take.
Tons of stam classes will be upset about this.
Could effect PVE but iv done enough trials healing springs and healing orbs do the job.


This game is way to easy to heal. Iv played a long list of PvP games and never seen a healing Templar be so effective and tanky at the same time. I usually heal in PvP groups and I am very effective at it.

After all the changes BOL has had over the years I still think it's to strong. This is coming from a healer Templar. Yes I play damage and have a flawless Mag NB so I'm not clueless on how damage works in the game.

You can see with Stam sorcs dark deal in the game is still very effective. Changes like this could be healthy for the game. Although I think it's bugged right now as you get resources even when it's bashed.

Iv added some videos of myself in action healing groups it's just to easy to heal on Templars.

Nerf my favorite class and style for the greater good of PvP!

AzuraKin

there is a point to original post. have you ever tried to fight a templar 1v1? almost dead bol full health back to doing damage to you. in essence, they can easily keep themselves full life with bol with no penalty while you suffer. bol followed by spear knockback followed by 1-2 solar flares = full health to next to nothing.

Akinos

AzuraKin wrote: »

there is a point to original post. have you ever tried to fight a templar 1v1? almost dead bol full health back to doing damage to you. in essence, they can easily keep themselves full life with bol with no penalty while you suffer. bol followed by spear knockback followed by 1-2 solar flares = full health to next to nothing.

Same thing with vigor, except with vigor he's still killing you while getting his hp back. Can't do that with BoL.

Being able to attack+heal for almost the same as BoL AT THE SAME TIME is > just BoL. It is beyond me how people still don't understand the power of being able to have strong heals and strong offense simultaneously. And any class can use vigor, without having to have a certain weapon equipped, templars have one heal worth using, if they nerf that they may as well just remove templars from game like they did blinding flashes.

AzuraKin

vigor isnt op. vigor 1 doesnt heal half as much as bol power/resource equivalency. i can sit there with bol in light armor and spam it all day (litterally all day) while a *** stamina wb spammer blasts at me.

Joy_Division

When we add a 1.5 cast-time to:

cloak
dark exchange (i.e. a real cast time where you cant still run at full speed)
hardened ward
harness magicka
second rally cast
healing ward
dragon blood
twilight/clannfear heal

And then nerf the crap out of:

Eye of the strom
dawnbreaker
incap strike
stealth attacks
shuffle
crystal frags

And then gets actual proof that the developers have a clue about making eclipse and healing ritual abilities that actual improve your chances of winning a fight, I suppose I might be in the mood to discuss a cast time to BoL.

AzuraKin

Joy_Division wrote: »

When we add a 1.5 cast-time to:

cloak
dark exchange (i.e. a real cast time where you cant still run at full speed)
hardened ward
harness magicka
second rally cast
healing ward
dragon blood
twilight/clannfear heal

And then nerf the crap out of:

Eye of the strom
dawnbreaker
incap strike
stealth attacks
shuffle
crystal frags

And then gets actual proof that the developers have a clue about making eclipse and healing ritual abilities that actual improve your chances of winning a fight, I suppose I might be in the mood to discuss a cast time to BoL.

notice almost all of these deal with magicka abilities that at best hit 75% as hard as stamina abilties.

Brutusmax1mus

AzuraKin wrote: »

vigor isnt op. vigor 1 doesnt heal half as much as bol power/resource equivalency. i can sit there with bol in light armor and spam it all day (litterally all day) while a *** stamina wb spammer blasts at me.

I could kill you Before you got 1 breath of life off n light armor.

AzuraKin

many have tried, very very very few succeed in killing me, and none, not even stealth stamblades have instakilled me.

DocFrost72

AzuraKin wrote: »

many have tried, very very very few succeed in killing me, and none, not even stealth stamblades have instakilled me.

I'd be carefully with that claim. If you're in seven light, it's gunna hurt a LOT...

Akinos

AzuraKin wrote: »

many have tried, very very very few succeed in killing me, and none, not even stealth stamblades have instakilled me.

lol, Even most magicka dps builds would insta kill you if they caught you with 5+ light. Unless you have alot of HP to back up the low defense of light then yeah you'd die pretty fast. But something tells me you don't have alot of hp.

AzuraKin

pretty sure i have never lost more then 75% life to a high damage wb spamming stealth ganker nb. and 1 bol after break free = all that back.

Gilvoth

this is a horrible request.
my nightblade most of the time never even gets enough healing, hes usualy dead within a few moments of toe to toe fights. [in pvp]
it is only "sometimes" that by spaming vigor that im able to survive.
and you want to put it on a timer that i can only use it once in a while ?
uh, no, i do not want this!