Easy Fix for Blazing Shield

SwaminoNowlino

Change the shield breaker set damage to be a percent based on targets max health. This will benefit LA magicka sorcs while making it riskier to run high health builds. This change doesn't nerf Blazing Shield, just requires a bit more skill. And is beneficial to other Shield builds.

Brutusmax1mus

I think the main issue is no one wants to run shield breakers..

HoloYoitsu

Sounds dumb, having more HP should never cause you to take more damage.

Better idea: delete shield breaker from the game and reintroduce soft caps.

Stratforge

Blazing shield is really bad and should be changed. I don't think it should be done this way though. Too niche.

Minalan

That's just Templars adjusting to the proc set instant death game we're all playing.

Kidly

Minalan wrote: »

That's just Templars adjusting to the proc set instant death game we're all playing.

Just like shield stacking sorcs sometimes running Infernal Guardian to give them some offense when casting their defensive shields. We either all fall in with the meta or find alternatives to the meta.

Blazing shield Templars have to sacrifice almost all of their offensive edge to function. Many people pointed out in various other posts the best way to deal with a BS Templar is to just not engage them. I do have to admit it sounds funny though with players killing themselves with reflected damage...

Stratforge

Minalan wrote: »

That's just Templars adjusting to the proc set instant death game we're all playing.

Adjusting to the proc meta is one thing. Running around with 75k health on a one button build is a little beyond an adjustment.

mtwiggz

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I think the main issue is no one wants to run shield breakers..

If you could get Shield Breaker weapons/jewels it would be viable. Run it on your back bar with a bow, perfect. But ZoS was too lazy to update the TV sets with weapons and jewels.

Saint_Bud

Better idea: remove battlespirit from health based skills and passivs and ad hard cap max health 33-35k or so. No efekt in pve, because a tank in pve not staking that high into health.

olsborg

I just wish shieldbreaker would do the dmg to the actual shield. Like shattering strikes cp star.

Alucardo

A "fix" for blazing shield? It doesn't need a fix. Don't hit it, you don't die. Simple. Also, as Holo said, having more max health should never inflict additional damage on you. Stupidest idea ever.

Derra

What about blazing shield needs fixing?

It´s eso test for the idiot olympics. If you die to a blazeplar you´ve earned your spot.

Derra

olsborg wrote: »

I just wish shieldbreaker would do the dmg to the actual shield. Like shattering strikes cp star.

I still want to have access to an on demand healdebuff on a magsorc. Or a targetted dmging skill that snares.

Ashamray

Woah, do I hear complaints about Bombplar? Really? No, really?))

Jsmalls

Alucardo wrote: »

A "fix" for blazing shield? It doesn't need a fix. Don't hit it, you don't die. Simple. Also, as Holo said, having more max health should never inflict additional damage on you. Stupidest idea ever.

The fact that our only real option is to not attack them is a little ridiculous, it's PvP.

There is nothing more frustrating then wiping a small group with 2 players, to have their Blazing shield Templar being the only one standing just trying to pick up Rezes the entire time.

So we as players have the choice of walking away and letting them pick up their entire team, or sit there and bash him until one of us gets bored.

Is that really balance? Because that's what you suggest we do. Just ignore them.

I get it you run a Blazing shield build, and you've done it pre 5 piece health bonus sets. I'm sure it's tons of fun to use. But I'm sure viper, tremor, and black rose is just as much "fun" most over tuned things are, I mean who doesn't want 15k bursts in 7 heavy right?

An example, The destro ultimate is extremely powerful right now. Do I use it, yeah in Open world PvP. Am I going to go to the forums and defend it and say it doesn't need to be rebalanced? No. I'm well aware of it being way too powerful, and I agree with the fact it needs to be addressed.

These Blazing shield builds are creating a stale environment in PvP. Add Malubeth to the mix and it makes it laughable that it was BUFFED significantly this patch. But if that's the PvP you want to be involved in so be it. I hope you run into a 10 man team of Blazing shield Templars while running in a small group and see how much "fun" this would be if it becomes meta. It's already starting, out of every 10 players you see 2 glowing gold with 50k+ health. It's only a matter of time.

@Alucardo

No disrespect, I know you're a good player, but you can't defend something that doesn't support PvP in a healthy way, we're the voices of reason here.

Kaghei

hard and soft caps?

Ashamray

Blazing explosion crits around 5-7k on a player with normal resistances\impenetrable. How can it be deadly?

Alucardo

Jsmalls wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

A "fix" for blazing shield? It doesn't need a fix. Don't hit it, you don't die. Simple. Also, as Holo said, having more max health should never inflict additional damage on you. Stupidest idea ever.

The fact that our only real option is to not attack them is a little ridiculous, it's PvP.

There is nothing more frustrating then wiping a small group with 2 players, to have their Blazing shield Templar being the only one standing just trying to pick up Rezes the entire time.

So we as players have the choice of walking away and letting them pick up their entire team, or sit there and bash him until one of us gets bored.

Is that really balance? Because that's what you suggest we do. Just ignore them.

I get it you run a Blazing shield build, and you've done it pre 5 piece health bonus sets. I'm sure it's tons of fun to use. But I'm sure viper, tremor, and black rose is just as much "fun" most over tuned things are, I mean who doesn't want 15k bursts in 7 heavy right?

An example, The destro ultimate is extremely powerful right now. Do I use it, yeah in Open world PvP. Am I going to go to the forums and defend it and say it doesn't need to be rebalanced? No. I'm well aware of it being way too powerful, and I agree with the fact it needs to be addressed.

These Blazing shield builds are creating a stale environment in PvP. Add Malubeth to the mix and it makes it laughable that it was BUFFED significantly this patch. But if that's the PvP you want to be involved in so be it. I hope you run into a 10 man team of Blazing shield Templars while running in a small group and see how much "fun" this would be if it becomes meta. It's already starting, out of every 10 players you see 2 glowing gold with 50k+ health. It's only a matter of time.

@Alucardo

No disrespect, I know you're a good player, but you can't defend something that doesn't support PvP in a healthy way, we're the voices of reason here.

I see where you're coming from, but if you managed to wipe a group with a blazing shield templar left, he should be no problem to take down. They're only dangerous in big fights when random archers are sniping them while the rest leave them alone.
If they're the last man standing they aren't a problem to deal with. Can take a bit of time, but you'll get them down eventually. Their healing sucks anyway.
Does it promote stale environments? Yeah, it does. But I only run it because it's a direct counter to the heavy armor/proc set bollocks happening right now. I'm fighting fire with fire. I'd rather not go down that path, but hey, I'm left with little options.
I mean, look what happened when I took my medium armor build into PVP
When I can get two shot with puncture, well, that's why I run the build I do. If PVP ever gets balanced, then I'm sure we'll see less and less of BS templars. Until then we're stuck with this disgusting state of PVP we're in now.
If blazing shield was "fixed", then ZOS would nerf it into the ground, making it completely unusable, and probably destroy my PVE templar tank in the process.
You give up a lot to stack enough health to make Blazing viable in PVP, so in a way it's balanced as is.

Cinbri

Most of time things "fixed" by introducing of changed mechanics. In our case: to fix Blazing Shield ZOS should make another morph, Radiant Ward as competitive so people will actually have choice. For example sorcs had useless Daedric Tomb morph of mines, it was changed to ba ranged instant-charged root.

Soris

Blazing shield need a "FIX". No nerf or buff but a work-around to be able to use it with non 70k health build. I dont like the current state of it. It maybe strong for one single build but it's completely useless for other 9464728 templar builds.

Remember the old shield anybody? Bread and butter skill for templar without being op.. I just want that back. Templar main theme building a house and to protect that house is halved without the blazing shield.


This guy wrote the exact same thing in my mind.

Saint_Bud wrote: »

Better idea: remove battlespirit from health based skills and passivs and add hard cap max health 33-35k or so. No efekt in pve, because a tank in pve not staking that high into health.

40-45k health would be better than 35k in my opinion

WillhelmBlack

What are you even talking about? Blazing Shield scales off health. To make it even remotely effective you need the highest health possible. You literally sacrifice everything else for 1 skill and you think it needs a nerf?

If you have a problem with Blazing Shield, stop bloody zerging!!! They're not even an issue, stand 20 paces back, spam ranged skill of choice until dead. If you're a strictly melee proc build, please go kill yourself on that shield repeatedly.

leepalmer95

Learn to range.

WillhelmBlack

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Change the shield breaker set.

This requires a bit more skill.

timidobserver

Minalan wrote: »

That's just Templars adjusting to the proc set instant death game we're all playing.

Exactly. There are a few real blazing shield enthusiasts out there that really prefer it, but most Templar don't even want to run that kind of build. They are just reacting to proc builds.

Stratforge

timidobserver wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

That's just Templars adjusting to the proc set instant death game we're all playing.

Exactly. There are a few real blazing shield enthusiasts out there that really prefer it, but most Templar don't even want to run that kind of build. They are just reacting to proc builds.

are you suggesting that most of the templars currently playing blaze tanks don't actually want to play like that? i dont agree. there are plenty of ways templars can adjust to the proc meta that don't involve running 75k health. i think its safe to say that everyone playing a build like that wants to do so, and its easy to see why.

Kidly

Stratforge wrote: »

are you suggesting that most of the templars currently playing blaze tanks don't actually want to play like that? i dont agree. there are plenty of ways templars can adjust to the proc meta that don't involve running 75k health. i think its safe to say that everyone playing a build like that wants to do so, and its easy to see why.

My guild master once said if you aren't getting hate mail, you aren't pvping correctly. In concept, the build is hilarious. Templars jump into a crowd, use Blazing shield and and explode on their attackers. The higher the damage of the opposition, the more damage the Templar puts out. It's punishing to the proc build meta players that think pushing high dps numbers is how to win at PvP. It's a perfect anti meta but dosent come without huge drawbacks. Having such high health and no resources/attack and spell power, when you do try to attack you tickle like a gnat.

The build is just as easy to play as proc builds, is interesting because damage output depends on damage intake and can easily incite hate mail because of the distinct lack of skill it would take to be successful. The build practically demands the response "Why are you killing yourself bro?" I can guarantee not one Templar running this build is doing it just to spite the damage meta. I'm even building one because it looks fun as hell. I'm even building one because it looks fun inside and outside of PvP.

Alucardo

Kidly wrote: »

The build is just as easy to play as proc builds, is interesting because damage output depends on damage intake and can easily incite hate mail because of the distinct lack of skill it would take to be successful. The build practically demands the response "Why are you killing yourself bro?" I can guarantee not one Templar running this build is doing it just to spite the damage meta. I'm even building one because it looks fun as hell. I'm even building one because it looks fun inside and outside of PvP.

Yeah, I started mine before all the proctato stuff mainly because I was always curious about the skill, and how well I could balance its damage with an actual effective build. I think I'm there.
People think all you do is spam one skill, but that's far from the truth. You have to be clever about how you keep your health up with bad healing, you have to be careful with resource management, because with a high health pool, your other resources suffer. People don't think about that. They just think you hit that blazing shield over and over again. Well no, that will get you killed because you'll quickly run out of resources, and your timing needs to be perfect on the shield for the best results.

As for PVE, I love it. Not only do I contribute to a lot of the groups DPS, but I can provide utility, like cleanses and repentance, so our healer can run other things.
I use Swarm Mother to make up for the lack of chains, which really, you need for clumping up all the mobs and pulling ranged mobs into the cluster. So inner fire is pretty much a must for that ranged taunt, but that's cool.
The only thing that sucks for Templar tanks is no AOE root like encase or talons, so if trash mobs move out of the kill circle, you need to try and pull them back in.
Best of all, he's never wiped in a group dungeon once. I've managed to tank the boss and res the group before. You won't find a tankier a tank.

If you're even remotely curious about playing a blazing shield Templar, I say go for it. Theorycrafting them is fun, and playing them even more so.

Methariorn

If you see a templar with a ton of hp, spamming blazing shield and you die in melee you just deserve it, stop. Ppl today just wonna remove everything who can possible kill them. Just keep cry that your 3 proc sets build can't kill a blazingshield templar. Ehi ZOS: just introduce 1 shot aoe set on crown store...you'll make a ton of *** kids happy and do a tons of money.

Kidly

Alucardo wrote: »

If you're even remotely curious about playing a blazing shield Templar, I say go for it. Theorycrafting them is fun, and playing them even more so.

They do look incredibly fun. I got the gear, just leveling my Templar built for Blazing Shield when time permits. Instead of the obvious race choice in a an Imperial, I made mine an Argonian because trash potions healing 9K+ hp and resources is awesome and I may can keep up some decent self heals regardless of my lack of spell power.

As I've learned with my Breton Templar Healer, the bread and butter of a Templars healing is extended ritual. Regardless of your spell power, 25% bonus to healing done with major mending and the heals over time Extended Ritual gives is awesome for keeping yourself and others topped off. I'm dumping all my champion into healing done/received and then magicka recovery so I have some decent resource sustain. Since weapon trait dosen't matter in a build like this, I'll also be running a powered 1 handed weapon for the extra healing. It should be very strong as an Argonian despite missing out on an extra 3% hp.

As for Blazing Shield needing fixes, it's in a niche place. It dosent need a fix and the easiest way to defeat a Templar is to ignore it. The damage they do when they aren't being attacked is negligible. Their enemies strength is their own.

leepalmer95

Kidly wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

If you're even remotely curious about playing a blazing shield Templar, I say go for it. Theorycrafting them is fun, and playing them even more so.

They do look incredibly fun. I got the gear, just leveling my Templar built for Blazing Shield when time permits. Instead of the obvious race choice in a an Imperial, I made mine an Argonian because trash potions healing 9K+ hp and resources is awesome and I may can keep up some decent self heals regardless of my lack of spell power.

As I've learned with my Breton Templar Healer, the bread and butter of a Templars healing is extended ritual. Regardless of your spell power, 25% bonus to healing done with major mending and the heals over time Extended Ritual gives is awesome for keeping yourself and others topped off. I'm dumping all my champion into healing done/received and then magicka recovery so I have some decent resource sustain. Since weapon trait dosen't matter in a build like this, I'll also be running a powered 1 handed weapon for the extra healing. It should be very strong as an Argonian despite missing out on an extra 3% hp.

As for Blazing Shield needing fixes, it's in a niche place. It dosent need a fix and the easiest way to defeat a Templar is to ignore it. The damage they do when they aren't being attacked is negligible. Their enemies strength is their own.

Your blazing shield dmg still goes off penetration and such.

Stratforge

Kidly wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

If you're even remotely curious about playing a blazing shield Templar, I say go for it. Theorycrafting them is fun, and playing them even more so.

As for Blazing Shield needing fixes, it's in a niche place. It dosent need a fix and the easiest way to defeat a Templar is to ignore it. The damage they do when they aren't being attacked is negligible. Their enemies strength is their own.

This is every bs tank's argument and it's just nonsense.