16k Wrecking Blow with 2k Crit Resistance

WuffyCerulei

So my light armor wearing templar with 2k crit resistance got hit with a 16k wrecking blow. How.

frownsyndromes

damn dude

Skinzz

Empowered wrecking blow and armor pen. Light armor is still light armor.

WuffyCerulei

xskinzcity wrote: »

Empowered wrecking blow and armor pen. Light armor is still light armor.

You'd still think 2k crit resistance would do something.

susmitds

It is most probably a stamblade with maxed out crit damage and penetration with still very high weapon damage and stamina. Most probably also empowered.

My stamblade hits 20k 2H heavy attacks from stealth on undefended LA wearers. Wrecking Blow will be pretty close too, if not higher.

thankyourat

Yea I got hit by a 12 dizzying swing yesterday with 2k crit resist, he didn't even empower it. And it hit me from like 20 meters away. It was a stam sorc.

Skinzz

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

Empowered wrecking blow and armor pen. Light armor is still light armor.

You'd still think 2k crit resistance would do something.

Okay so if you had no crit resist then his wrecking blow would have hit you for 18k then. Crit resist is not physical resistance.

mtwiggz

31k Physical Resist, 2.8k Crit Resist still gets hit for 10k+

Welcome to Cyrodiil.

DeanTheCat

The formula for Crit Resistance was changed in the 1T patch. As a rule of thumb, the inpen on your armour is now only worth half as much as it did during DB or SotH. This means that your 2.2k Crit Resist is actually only worth round 1.1k Crit Resistance if going via the old formula.

susmitds

DeanTheCat wrote: »

The formula for Crit Resistance was changed in the 1T patch. As a rule of thumb, the inpen on your armour is now only worth half as much as it did during DB or SotH. This means that your 2.2k Crit Resist is actually only worth round 1.1k Crit Resistance if going via the old formula.

Not doubting or anything, but this is the first time I heard it. Any source?

SodanTok

People keep thinking impen is some magical stat that makes all crits disappear. People do crits with +50% damage by default and there are CPs, passives and buffs. With 2k crit some random nightblade without any buff and CP still gives you +40% damage from crit

GreenSoup2HoT

DeanTheCat wrote: »

The formula for Crit Resistance was changed in the 1T patch. As a rule of thumb, the inpen on your armour is now only worth half as much as it did during DB or SotH. This means that your 2.2k Crit Resist is actually only worth round 1.1k Crit Resistance if going via the old formula.

Wasn't only the cp for impen changed?

Strider_Roshin

DeanTheCat wrote: »

The formula for Crit Resistance was changed in the 1T patch. As a rule of thumb, the inpen on your armour is now only worth half as much as it did during DB or SotH. This means that your 2.2k Crit Resist is actually only worth round 1.1k Crit Resistance if going via the old formula.

Incorrect.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

To beat my dead horse ...

All impen does is limit the bonus damage to you. While I am unsure of the new math behind it the old math went something like this.

You get hit for 10k damage.
You get a crit for an additional 5k damage.
With max crit resist you take 2.5k of that damage away.
Your final total is 12.5k damage taken.
Adding in that most players crit about 50% of the time, you're basically spending millions of gold and CP on something that helps half the time against only half of half of the original damage.

Crit resistance isn't useless but it is highly overrated.

Escorpiao_Noturno

I am a FULL tank, I mean "FULL" and I am getting 28k damage from Destro Ulti.

Strider_Roshin

Escorpiao_Noturno wrote: »

I am a FULL tank, I mean "FULL" and I am getting 28k damage from Destro Ulti.

That's because the destro ult is grossly overpowered.

imredneckson

Escorpiao_Noturno wrote: »

I am a FULL tank, I mean "FULL" and I am getting 28k damage from Destro Ulti.

I was wearing full heavy, all impen, and S&B and got hit by a 46k Destro ulti. When I saw that on my death recap all I could say was "What the flying f***!"

THEDKEXPERIENCE

imredneckson wrote: »

Escorpiao_Noturno wrote: »

I am a FULL tank, I mean "FULL" and I am getting 28k damage from Destro Ulti.

I was wearing full heavy, all impen, and S&B and got hit by a 46k Destro ulti. When I saw that on my death recap all I could say was "What the flying f***!"

Yeah, Impen can't do much about that. Haha. Highest I've seen is 19k though. It made me look twice.

I guess the best advice for that is if you see a cloud ... RUN!

Side note: I was on the 3rd floor of a keep tower yesterday when someone casted this below me on the second floor. I couldn't see anything. Good thing it was a friendly otherwise I probably would have gotten a 50k death recap.

Sanct16

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

To beat my dead horse ...

All impen does is limit the bonus damage to you. While I am unsure of the new math behind it the old math went something like this.

You get hit for 10k damage.
You get a crit for an additional 5k damage.
With max crit resist you take 2.5k of that damage away.
Your final total is 12.5k damage taken.
Adding in that most players crit about 50% of the time, you're basically spending millions of gold and CP on something that helps half the time against only half of half of the original damage.

Crit resistance isn't useless but it is highly overrated.

You still take 2.5k less damage. Way more useful than 100 extea regen or some % more critchance or 800 extra magicka.

susmitds

Sanct16 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

To beat my dead horse ...

All impen does is limit the bonus damage to you. While I am unsure of the new math behind it the old math went something like this.

You get hit for 10k damage.
You get a crit for an additional 5k damage.
With max crit resist you take 2.5k of that damage away.
Your final total is 12.5k damage taken.
Adding in that most players crit about 50% of the time, you're basically spending millions of gold and CP on something that helps half the time against only half of half of the original damage.

Crit resistance isn't useless but it is highly overrated.

You still take 2.5k less damage. Way more useful than 100 extea regen or some % more critchance or 800 extra magicka.

@Sanct16
How about 30% lesser dodge cost?

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Sanct16 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

To beat my dead horse ...

All impen does is limit the bonus damage to you. While I am unsure of the new math behind it the old math went something like this.

You get hit for 10k damage.
You get a crit for an additional 5k damage.
With max crit resist you take 2.5k of that damage away.
Your final total is 12.5k damage taken.
Adding in that most players crit about 50% of the time, you're basically spending millions of gold and CP on something that helps half the time against only half of half of the original damage.

Crit resistance isn't useless but it is highly overrated.

You still take 2.5k less damage. Way more useful than 100 extea regen or some % more critchance or 800 extra magicka.

Personally I dump all of that into infused and divines for more damage. It is much more than just 800 extra magic for me. With the proper multipliers (like mage guild passives) we are often talking about thousands.

I would rather kill something 20% faster than die 20% slower. Everyone can make that choice for themselves, and credit to you for a measured response. Generally when I bring this up the Impen Army comes out with pitchforks.

DeanTheCat

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Please remind me in the future not to post anything regarding numbers when I'm half asleep on the bus.

Takes-No-Prisoner

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

To beat my dead horse ...

All impen does is limit the bonus damage to you. While I am unsure of the new math behind it the old math went something like this.

You get hit for 10k damage.
You get a crit for an additional 5k damage.
With max crit resist you take 2.5k of that damage away.
Your final total is 12.5k damage taken.
Adding in that most players crit about 50% of the time, you're basically spending millions of gold and CP on something that helps half the time against only half of half of the original damage.

Crit resistance isn't useless but it is highly overrated.

You still take 2.5k less damage. Way more useful than 100 extea regen or some % more critchance or 800 extra magicka.

Personally I dump all of that into infused and divines for more damage. It is much more than just 800 extra magic for me. With the proper multipliers (like mage guild passives) we are often talking about thousands.

I would rather kill something 20% faster than die 20% slower. Everyone can make that choice for themselves, and credit to you for a measured response. Generally when I bring this up the Impen Army comes out with pitchforks.

I like Impen as much as the next guy. But I found making full use of it, I need to be blocking big hits with my S&B shield. Blocking can do wonders if used right. Plus, with the build I'm running, I want to be taking damage so Impen it is!

It's just a shame that outside of S&B blocking passives(plus various other passives related to it), blocking itself can be generally useless.

timidobserver

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

Empowered wrecking blow and armor pen. Light armor is still light armor.

You'd still think 2k crit resistance would do something.

Critical resistance just reduces critical damage and that is just one component of the damage equation. He probably penetrated 90-100% of your armor, had a boat load of weapon damage, and it was probably empowered.

LeifErickson

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

To beat my dead horse ...

All impen does is limit the bonus damage to you. While I am unsure of the new math behind it the old math went something like this.

You get hit for 10k damage.
You get a crit for an additional 5k damage.
With max crit resist you take 2.5k of that damage away.
Your final total is 12.5k damage taken.
Adding in that most players crit about 50% of the time, you're basically spending millions of gold and CP on something that helps half the time against only half of half of the original damage.

Crit resistance isn't useless but it is highly overrated.

Where are you getting this information because I saw a video of a guy with full crit resist and then no crit resist to test the damage difference and when he had full crit resist iirc he was only taking maybe 100 crit damage. So 15k wrecking blow vs 10,100 wrecking blow.

Minno

LeifErickson wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

To beat my dead horse ...

All impen does is limit the bonus damage to you. While I am unsure of the new math behind it the old math went something like this.

You get hit for 10k damage.
You get a crit for an additional 5k damage.
With max crit resist you take 2.5k of that damage away.
Your final total is 12.5k damage taken.
Adding in that most players crit about 50% of the time, you're basically spending millions of gold and CP on something that helps half the time against only half of half of the original damage.

Crit resistance isn't useless but it is highly overrated.

Where are you getting this information because I saw a video of a guy with full crit resist and then no crit resist to test the damage difference and when he had full crit resist iirc he was only taking maybe 100 crit damage. So 15k wrecking blow vs 10,100 wrecking blow.

It's still a 10k hit. What he means to say is that, block does more mitigation than impen. If you use a shield, block+ shield does more mitigation as a light armor user, especially since the attacker will never get a crit on you as long as your shield is up.

If the attacker hit him for 15k, ignoring other dmg mitigation sources, the block alone will put that number at 7.5k. add a 5k shield and he will only take 2.5k dmg. Assuming the attacker had base 50%, and quickly you can assume he's being hit by 3.75k attack.

Moral of the story: use more balanced mitigation unless you have someone pumping the team with transmutation inflation.

Minalan

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

To beat my dead horse ...

All impen does is limit the bonus damage to you. While I am unsure of the new math behind it the old math went something like this.

You get hit for 10k damage.
You get a crit for an additional 5k damage.
With max crit resist you take 2.5k of that damage away.
Your final total is 12.5k damage taken.
Adding in that most players crit about 50% of the time, you're basically spending millions of gold and CP on something that helps half the time against only half of half of the original damage.

Crit resistance isn't useless but it is highly overrated.

You still take 2.5k less damage. Way more useful than 100 extea regen or some % more critchance or 800 extra magicka.

Personally I dump all of that into infused and divines for more damage. It is much more than just 800 extra magic for me. With the proper multipliers (like mage guild passives) we are often talking about thousands.

I would rather kill something 20% faster than die 20% slower. Everyone can make that choice for themselves, and credit to you for a measured response. Generally when I bring this up the Impen Army comes out with pitchforks.

A good compromise is to put impen on your small pieces and infused/divines on the large.

This way you still get the extra damage without the constant one shot gank deaths. This patch stam nightblades are especially ridiculous, and playing without a lot of CP in resistant, Hardy, and elemental defender is impossible.

I'm not grabbing a pitch fork, but you simply cannot play solo anymore or travel anywhere without some impen.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Minalan wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

To beat my dead horse ...

All impen does is limit the bonus damage to you. While I am unsure of the new math behind it the old math went something like this.

You get hit for 10k damage.
You get a crit for an additional 5k damage.
With max crit resist you take 2.5k of that damage away.
Your final total is 12.5k damage taken.
Adding in that most players crit about 50% of the time, you're basically spending millions of gold and CP on something that helps half the time against only half of half of the original damage.

Crit resistance isn't useless but it is highly overrated.

You still take 2.5k less damage. Way more useful than 100 extea regen or some % more critchance or 800 extra magicka.

Personally I dump all of that into infused and divines for more damage. It is much more than just 800 extra magic for me. With the proper multipliers (like mage guild passives) we are often talking about thousands.

I would rather kill something 20% faster than die 20% slower. Everyone can make that choice for themselves, and credit to you for a measured response. Generally when I bring this up the Impen Army comes out with pitchforks.

A good compromise is to put impen on your small pieces and infused/divines on the large.

This way you still get the extra damage without the constant one shot gank deaths. This patch stam nightblades are especially ridiculous, and playing without a lot of CP in resistant, Hardy, and elemental defender is impossible.

I'm not grabbing a pitch fork, but you simply cannot play solo anymore or travel anywhere without some impen.

Not pitchfork grabbing at all. All of the responses are quite reasonable in fact. I don't run any impen but I do have 1003 crit resist from CP. Different ways to skin a cat.

That said, playing solo is hard regardless of your build. I do it a lot but I keep a Batman level number of tricks up my sleeve to get out of dodge when necessary and have 30k+ resists. Mist form, for one, is a godsend. Immovable pots, invisibility pots. All sorts of stuff like that.

Asgari

Crit Resist does nothing for you if they bypass all of your resistance.

leepalmer95

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

To beat my dead horse ...

All impen does is limit the bonus damage to you. While I am unsure of the new math behind it the old math went something like this.

You get hit for 10k damage.
You get a crit for an additional 5k damage.
With max crit resist you take 2.5k of that damage away.
Your final total is 12.5k damage taken.
Adding in that most players crit about 50% of the time, you're basically spending millions of gold and CP on something that helps half the time against only half of half of the original damage.

Crit resistance isn't useless but it is highly overrated.

You still take 2.5k less damage. Way more useful than 100 extea regen or some % more critchance or 800 extra magicka.

Personally I dump all of that into infused and divines for more damage. It is much more than just 800 extra magic for me. With the proper multipliers (like mage guild passives) we are often talking about thousands.

I would rather kill something 20% faster than die 20% slower. Everyone can make that choice for themselves, and credit to you for a measured response. Generally when I bring this up the Impen Army comes out with pitchforks.

It's not thousands, it's a thousand at most. Will you stop posting impen is useless and spamming incorrect information backed up by exaggerated facts.

Most players will have around 65% extra dmg from crits, 75% for templars/nb's and even higher if people decide to stack it.

Full divines gear will give you around 8% more crit chance or dmg if you choose thief, it'll give you like 60-70 regen or 50-60 wpn/spell dmg..

Full impen will give you 1750 crit resist, im not too sure how much is it because somethings changed apparently, but it used to be 3.7% reduction per 250 crit resist, so this would be around 25% reduction. 25% reduction of dmg on crits is so, so much better than going infused or divines.

Minno

leepalmer95 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

To beat my dead horse ...

All impen does is limit the bonus damage to you. While I am unsure of the new math behind it the old math went something like this.

You get hit for 10k damage.
You get a crit for an additional 5k damage.
With max crit resist you take 2.5k of that damage away.
Your final total is 12.5k damage taken.
Adding in that most players crit about 50% of the time, you're basically spending millions of gold and CP on something that helps half the time against only half of half of the original damage.

Crit resistance isn't useless but it is highly overrated.

You still take 2.5k less damage. Way more useful than 100 extea regen or some % more critchance or 800 extra magicka.

Personally I dump all of that into infused and divines for more damage. It is much more than just 800 extra magic for me. With the proper multipliers (like mage guild passives) we are often talking about thousands.

I would rather kill something 20% faster than die 20% slower. Everyone can make that choice for themselves, and credit to you for a measured response. Generally when I bring this up the Impen Army comes out with pitchforks.

It's not thousands, it's a thousand at most. Will you stop posting impen is useless and spamming incorrect information backed up by exaggerated facts.

Most players will have around 65% extra dmg from crits, 75% for templars/nb's and even higher if people decide to stack it.

Full divines gear will give you around 8% more crit chance or dmg if you choose thief, it'll give you like 60-70 regen or 50-60 wpn/spell dmg..

Full impen will give you 1750 crit resist, im not too sure how much is it because somethings changed apparently, but it used to be 3.7% reduction per 250 crit resist, so this would be around 25% reduction. 25% reduction of dmg on crits is so, so much better than going infused or divines.

I still need to get data for crown to use to update his crit calculator, but if you can use around 7 yellow impen, it will reduce 75% extra crit dmg to around 24-30% extra crit dmg. And it's been awhile since I've used asayre's calculations to determine a crit attack.

But having a 24% extra chance on crit dmg is a bit weak if you consider dmg only (which this dmg source is completely negated by shields). If you add heals, your heals will do the normal 75% extra crit "dmg", making HOTs a very effective way to help counter dmg during fights (especially if you have 50% crit chance).

Even with full impen, crit helps you add healing and still has a chance to do at least an extra dmg. Most Magicka players are better off proactively carrying shields while concentrating offense instead of thinking impen will make them OP.