Proc sets are ruining PVP

DPG76

Kutsuu wrote: »

I just came back to the game for One Tamriel after a ~10 month absence and have recently finished updating my build. I looked at these "meta" builds and such, but still ended up running something else with no procs because I wanted more reliable burst. While the proc builds are dangerous to me, so are the clever alchemist builds and all sorts of magicka builds - in fact I have a better win rate against stamina proc builds than I do against tanky magicka builds who outlast my resources - call me bad I guess. I do have trouble with builds that have truly embraced the main issue with proc sets - that being the fact that they do a set amount of damage (I realize it's affected by penetration and CPs).

I only suggest one simple change. Make them scale with your stats just like ability attacks do - the current damage values being attainable only when you're running 1 proc set and other high DPS sets to boost it. These people choosing to run multiple proc sets have pretty bad weapon damage and lower stamina pools than those running non-proc DPS sets, so having the procs scale with those stats will greatly diminish the effectiveness of stacking a bunch of proc sets. With them having a static damage value as it is now, it encourages players to stack defensive abilities/heavy armor/etc to attain as much survival as possible since their procs will always hit just as hard (aside from more penetration and crit I suppose).

i agree , what bothers me most is that they dps way to much in Heavy armour because of these set's making them tanky on top of that .

a1i3nz

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

*uses 3 proc sets*

I'm pretty sure the argument is less about I'm getting my butt kicked and it's not fair and more about this is so easy it's not even fun anymore. Most of us want a skill based game, not everyone running around 1 hitting everything with no skill.

Kutsuu

DPG76 wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

I just came back to the game for One Tamriel after a ~10 month absence and have recently finished updating my build. I looked at these "meta" builds and such, but still ended up running something else with no procs because I wanted more reliable burst. While the proc builds are dangerous to me, so are the clever alchemist builds and all sorts of magicka builds - in fact I have a better win rate against stamina proc builds than I do against tanky magicka builds who outlast my resources - call me bad I guess. I do have trouble with builds that have truly embraced the main issue with proc sets - that being the fact that they do a set amount of damage (I realize it's affected by penetration and CPs).

I only suggest one simple change. Make them scale with your stats just like ability attacks do - the current damage values being attainable only when you're running 1 proc set and other high DPS sets to boost it. These people choosing to run multiple proc sets have pretty bad weapon damage and lower stamina pools than those running non-proc DPS sets, so having the procs scale with those stats will greatly diminish the effectiveness of stacking a bunch of proc sets. With them having a static damage value as it is now, it encourages players to stack defensive abilities/heavy armor/etc to attain as much survival as possible since their procs will always hit just as hard (aside from more penetration and crit I suppose).

i agree , what bothers me most is that they dps way to much in Heavy armour because of these set's making them tanky on top of that .

Yep. They are smart to do so because the static damage values on the procs encourage them to. I think a tanky build that only hits light armor for 2.5k with their Ransack should only be hitting for 1.5-2k with their viper proc (random example). It would be a similar concept if some of our class/weapon abilities always did a certain amount of damage. People would create builds around those abilities focusing as much as possible on sustain/defense and letting the skill's base value do all their damage.

HoloYoitsu

What's with the sudden influx of ppl defending proctato sets today with all the "L2P" garbage? Why do I have to quote myself from this same thread?

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Proctatos defending these sets is about the stupidest thing I've seen in 3 years of these forums.

MrGorv

Main problem of proc sets is not that it one shots you. Problem is, you don't need any skill to do that. Give those sets to a monkey and it will rule Cyrodiil. There are a lot of other cool sets (Spinner, for exapmle). But if you want to be effective, you need to be skillful enough. For proc sets, you just need to click one button.
What should ZOS do about this in my opinion:
- nerf Viper, Velidreth, Selene (slightly, as it is slow and can be dodged) and Widowmaker damage burst, maybe, by Battle Spirit
- nerf Tremorscale damage OR proc chance from 50 to, at least, 30%

Sandman929

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

What's with the sudden influx of ppl defending proctato sets today with all the "L2P" garbage? Why do I have to quote myself from this same thread?

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Proctatos defending these sets is about the stupidest thing I've seen in 3 years of these forums.

A bunch of players finally got the proc sets they were farming and saw their "skill" level jump.

DPG76

i hope

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

What's with the sudden influx of ppl defending proctato sets today with all the "L2P" garbage? Why do I have to quote myself from this same thread?

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Proctatos defending these sets is about the stupidest thing I've seen in 3 years of these forums.

because before this some people actually needed skills in order to win in pvp , if you ask to remove this current exploit you threat to remove theire precious win with gear toys

DPG76

MrGorv wrote: »

Main problem of proc sets is not that it one shots you. Problem is, you don't need any skill to do that. Give those sets to a monkey and it will rule Cyrodiil. There are a lot of other cool sets (Spinner, for exapmle). But if you want to be effective, you need to be skillful enough. For proc sets, you just need to click one button.
What should ZOS do about this in my opinion:
- nerf Viper, Velidreth, Selene (slightly, as it is slow and can be dodged) and Widowmaker damage burst, maybe, by Battle Spirit
- nerf Tremorscale damage OR proc chance from 50 to, at least, 30%

these sets damage value should scale off max stamina or magicka instead of a flat value , i don't mind people using them but they gotta be glass canon's then

N2woR

I used to PvP a lot but haven't been in there for a couple of weeks, I don't care about procs at all. It's part of of the game and I'll deal with it with a slight whine to myself here and there, it's just the feel of it these days. It's a ghost town, thorn blade is the only one that really pulls the numbers but that's way to laggy in big fights. That alone is RNG, it's who ever lags the least

It's a shame though, I really enjoy PvE but PvP was my end game. Build my toon to compete against others was always my drive, as it was in guild wars 2. I had a purpose to grind out dolmens, dungeons etc instead of grinding them too get the best gear to run the exact same content, The way PvP plays out in ESO out shines any 'token' PvP in any other mmo (guild wars 2 excluded) Personally I don't see any way back for PvP, PvE sells the content so I don't blame ZOS for leaving PvP alone

All the proc sets have done is put a final nail in coffins of some PvP players, most have and still are boarder line on weather it's worth continuing with. It is a shame indeed

Anti_Virus

Sandman929 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

L2Proc...it's sad players defend killing things with RnG and think it's their "skill".

Lol I don't use them but I can defend against them unlike you guys crying all the time.

Anti_Virus

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

Lmao my problem with proc set is the ridiculous damage they deal while combine with heavy armor their no risk involved,with the damage it allows you to do.Yes being a tank and running max resistance and still have good damage to rekt scrubs like you running proc sets I have no problem countering them,doesn't mean proc sets aren't broken and only scrubs like you would defend them.

The salt is real with you lol, get gud man.

Jaronking

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

Lmao my problem with proc set is the ridiculous damage they deal while combine with heavy armor their no risk involved,with the damage it allows you to do.Yes being a tank and running max resistance and still have good damage to rekt scrubs like you running proc sets I have no problem countering them,doesn't mean proc sets aren't broken and only scrubs like you would defend them.

The salt is real with you lol, get gud man.

Nahh the only dude who needs to get gud is the person who use proc sets than claims otherwise while defending a broken mess.

HoloYoitsu

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

L2Proc...it's sad players defend killing things with RnG and think it's their "skill".

Lol I don't use them but I can defend against them unlike you guys crying all the time.

Yes, please show us unworthy pugs your leet skills that provide counter play to 15k free proc burst every 4 seconds on top of their regular dps.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is video or gtfo if you're gona keep making outlandish claims.

Brownie points if your "skill" isn't being a maluplar healing statue.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

Lmao my problem with proc set is the ridiculous damage they deal while combine with heavy armor their no risk involved,with the damage it allows you to do.Yes being a tank and running max resistance and still have good damage to rekt scrubs like you running proc sets I have no problem countering them,doesn't mean proc sets aren't broken and only scrubs like you would defend them.

The salt is real with you lol, get gud man.

You're starting to sound like someone who just discovered the relation between sodium chloride and meme culture.

Anti_Virus

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

L2Proc...it's sad players defend killing things with RnG and think it's their "skill".

Lol I don't use them but I can defend against them unlike you guys crying all the time.

Yes, please show us unworthy pugs your leet skills that provide counter play to 15k free proc burst every 4 seconds on top of their regular dps.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is video or gtfo if you're gona keep making outlandish claims.

Brownie points if your "skill" isn't being a maluplar healing statue.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

Lmao my problem with proc set is the ridiculous damage they deal while combine with heavy armor their no risk involved,with the damage it allows you to do.Yes being a tank and running max resistance and still have good damage to rekt scrubs like you running proc sets I have no problem countering them,doesn't mean proc sets aren't broken and only scrubs like you would defend them.

The salt is real with you lol, get gud man.

You're starting to sound like someone who just discovered the relation between sodium chloride and meme culture.

Lol, salty pvpers, cry moar

Anti_Virus

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

Lmao my problem with proc set is the ridiculous damage they deal while combine with heavy armor their no risk involved,with the damage it allows you to do.Yes being a tank and running max resistance and still have good damage to rekt scrubs like you running proc sets I have no problem countering them,doesn't mean proc sets aren't broken and only scrubs like you would defend them.

The salt is real with you lol, get gud man.

Nahh the only dude who needs to get gud is the person who use proc sets than claims otherwise while defending a broken mess.

Lol I don't use proc set man.

Lava_Croft

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

What's with the sudden influx of ppl defending proctato sets today with all the "L2P" garbage? Why do I have to quote myself from this same thread?

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Proctatos defending these sets is about the stupidest thing I've seen in 3 years of these forums.

Because there's finally something that gives these casual zombies a bit of a chance in Cyrodiil.

@Anti_Virus: Ask Wrobel for a way to fix your inability to quote two different posts in a single post.

HoloYoitsu

Anti_Virus wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

L2Proc...it's sad players defend killing things with RnG and think it's their "skill".

Lol I don't use them but I can defend against them unlike you guys crying all the time.

Yes, please show us unworthy pugs your leet skills that provide counter play to 15k free proc burst every 4 seconds on top of their regular dps.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is video or gtfo if you're gona keep making outlandish claims.

Brownie points if your "skill" isn't being a maluplar healing statue.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

Lmao my problem with proc set is the ridiculous damage they deal while combine with heavy armor their no risk involved,with the damage it allows you to do.Yes being a tank and running max resistance and still have good damage to rekt scrubs like you running proc sets I have no problem countering them,doesn't mean proc sets aren't broken and only scrubs like you would defend them.

The salt is real with you lol, get gud man.

You're starting to sound like someone who just discovered the relation between sodium chloride and meme culture.

Lol, salty pvpers, cry moar

I'm confused where you think my tears are, is it perhaps raining where you live? With the number of salt references you make, someone's liable to mistake you for a salt shaker.

PS: Still waiting to hear anything from you to back up your claims. At least put some more effort into your trolling, if nothing else.

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HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

L2Proc...it's sad players defend killing things with RnG and think it's their "skill".

Lol I don't use them but I can defend against them unlike you guys crying all the time.

Yes, please show us unworthy pugs your leet skills that provide counter play to 15k free proc burst every 4 seconds on top of their regular dps.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is video or gtfo if you're gona keep making outlandish claims.

Brownie points if your "skill" isn't being a maluplar healing statue.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

Lmao my problem with proc set is the ridiculous damage they deal while combine with heavy armor their no risk involved,with the damage it allows you to do.Yes being a tank and running max resistance and still have good damage to rekt scrubs like you running proc sets I have no problem countering them,doesn't mean proc sets aren't broken and only scrubs like you would defend them.

The salt is real with you lol, get gud man.

You're starting to sound like someone who just discovered the relation between sodium chloride and meme culture.

Lol, salty pvpers, cry moar

I'm confused where you think my tears are, is it perhaps raining where you live? With the number of salt references you make, someone's liable to mistake you for a salt shaker.

PS: Still waiting to hear anything from you to back up your claims. At least put some more effort into your trolling, if nothing else.

Oye sir, crying hete on the forums won't do ya much, you got some training to do againt the proc meta. (Pro tip blocking helps a lot)

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Lava_Croft wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

What's with the sudden influx of ppl defending proctato sets today with all the "L2P" garbage? Why do I have to quote myself from this same thread?

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Proctatos defending these sets is about the stupidest thing I've seen in 3 years of these forums.

Because there's finally something that gives these casual zombies a bit of a chance in Cyrodiil.

@Anti_Virus: Ask Wrobel for a way to fix your inability to quote two different posts in a single post.

Typing on my phone sir.

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Waiting on mods to close the thread once one of you starts insulting like crazy

Lava_Croft

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

What's with the sudden influx of ppl defending proctato sets today with all the "L2P" garbage? Why do I have to quote myself from this same thread?

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Proctatos defending these sets is about the stupidest thing I've seen in 3 years of these forums.

Because there's finally something that gives these casual zombies a bit of a chance in Cyrodiil.

@Anti_Virus: Ask Wrobel for a way to fix your inability to quote two different posts in a single post.

Typing on my phone sir.

So am I, big deal?

Triple posting. You are a shining example of the type of player Wrobel works for.

out51d3r

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(Pro tip blocking helps a lot)

I've been curious how exactly this works, but haven't tested it yet. What happens when you block an attack that would normally trigger a proc? Does the proc go off or not? If not, does it go on cooldown or just wait for the next appropriate attack? If it does go off, does block reduce it's damage?

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Lava_Croft wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

What's with the sudden influx of ppl defending proctato sets today with all the "L2P" garbage? Why do I have to quote myself from this same thread?

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Proctatos defending these sets is about the stupidest thing I've seen in 3 years of these forums.

Because there's finally something that gives these casual zombies a bit of a chance in Cyrodiil.

@Anti_Virus: Ask Wrobel for a way to fix your inability to quote two different posts in a single post.

Typing on my phone sir.

So am I, big deal?

Triple posting. You are a shining example of the type of player Wrobel works for.

Awesome, I have a dev working for me, what do u gotta say about that?

Jaronking

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

Lmao my problem with proc set is the ridiculous damage they deal while combine with heavy armor their no risk involved,with the damage it allows you to do.Yes being a tank and running max resistance and still have good damage to rekt scrubs like you running proc sets I have no problem countering them,doesn't mean proc sets aren't broken and only scrubs like you would defend them.

The salt is real with you lol, get gud man.

Nahh the only dude who needs to get gud is the person who use proc sets than claims otherwise while defending a broken mess.

Lol I don't use proc set man.

Ok what platform are you on dude because I don't believe you .no one defends something unless their using it.

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Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

Lmao my problem with proc set is the ridiculous damage they deal while combine with heavy armor their no risk involved,with the damage it allows you to do.Yes being a tank and running max resistance and still have good damage to rekt scrubs like you running proc sets I have no problem countering them,doesn't mean proc sets aren't broken and only scrubs like you would defend them.

The salt is real with you lol, get gud man.

Nahh the only dude who needs to get gud is the person who use proc sets than claims otherwise while defending a broken mess.

Lol I don't use proc set man.

Ok what platform are you on dude because I don't believe you .no one defends something unless their using it.

I'm not defending them, I'm just saying that if you build right you can deal with them, unless you're ganked, I don't like them.

Tried telling you all that but you guys don't listen, instead you attack me lol, nothing will change until U13 which is 3 months away so you just gotta deal with it.

HoloYoitsu

Anti_Virus wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

L2Proc...it's sad players defend killing things with RnG and think it's their "skill".

Lol I don't use them but I can defend against them unlike you guys crying all the time.

Yes, please show us unworthy pugs your leet skills that provide counter play to 15k free proc burst every 4 seconds on top of their regular dps.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is video or gtfo if you're gona keep making outlandish claims.

Brownie points if your "skill" isn't being a maluplar healing statue.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

Lmao my problem with proc set is the ridiculous damage they deal while combine with heavy armor their no risk involved,with the damage it allows you to do.Yes being a tank and running max resistance and still have good damage to rekt scrubs like you running proc sets I have no problem countering them,doesn't mean proc sets aren't broken and only scrubs like you would defend them.

The salt is real with you lol, get gud man.

You're starting to sound like someone who just discovered the relation between sodium chloride and meme culture.

Lol, salty pvpers, cry moar

I'm confused where you think my tears are, is it perhaps raining where you live? With the number of salt references you make, someone's liable to mistake you for a salt shaker.

PS: Still waiting to hear anything from you to back up your claims. At least put some more effort into your trolling, if nothing else.

Oye sir, crying hete on the forums won't do ya much, you got some training to do againt the proc meta. (Pro tip blocking helps a lot)

Protip: procs are instant dmg, you won't block hem unless your are practically permablocking, which means you've significantly gimped your dps by specing into block, unless you toss on proc sets and run stam.

I repeat, are you a maluplar?

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Waiting on mods to close the thread once one of you starts insulting like crazy

I'm sorry? You're the one spewing insults, but thanks for telling everyone why you're really posting here and clarifying that it's not trying to be constructive.

Anti_Virus

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

L2Proc...it's sad players defend killing things with RnG and think it's their "skill".

Lol I don't use them but I can defend against them unlike you guys crying all the time.

Yes, please show us unworthy pugs your leet skills that provide counter play to 15k free proc burst every 4 seconds on top of their regular dps.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is video or gtfo if you're gona keep making outlandish claims.

Brownie points if your "skill" isn't being a maluplar healing statue.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

Lmao my problem with proc set is the ridiculous damage they deal while combine with heavy armor their no risk involved,with the damage it allows you to do.Yes being a tank and running max resistance and still have good damage to rekt scrubs like you running proc sets I have no problem countering them,doesn't mean proc sets aren't broken and only scrubs like you would defend them.

The salt is real with you lol, get gud man.

You're starting to sound like someone who just discovered the relation between sodium chloride and meme culture.

Lol, salty pvpers, cry moar

I'm confused where you think my tears are, is it perhaps raining where you live? With the number of salt references you make, someone's liable to mistake you for a salt shaker.

PS: Still waiting to hear anything from you to back up your claims. At least put some more effort into your trolling, if nothing else.

Oye sir, crying hete on the forums won't do ya much, you got some training to do againt the proc meta. (Pro tip blocking helps a lot)

Protip: procs are instant dmg, you won't block hem unless your are practically permablocking, which means you've significantly gimped your dps by specing into block, unless you toss on proc sets and run stam.

I repeat, are you a maluplar?

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Waiting on mods to close the thread once one of you starts insulting like crazy

I'm sorry? You're the one spewing insults, but thanks for telling everyone why you're really posting here and clarifying that it's not trying to be constructive.

When have I insulted some one my good sir?

Smasherx74

Anti virus don't get my thread locked please... Procs are not fun and unfair.

I want the game to be as skill based as possible, proc sets takes away from that.

Ron_Burgundy_79

Anti_Virus wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

L2Proc...it's sad players defend killing things with RnG and think it's their "skill".

Lol I don't use them but I can defend against them unlike you guys crying all the time.

Yes, please show us unworthy pugs your leet skills that provide counter play to 15k free proc burst every 4 seconds on top of their regular dps.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is video or gtfo if you're gona keep making outlandish claims.

Brownie points if your "skill" isn't being a maluplar healing statue.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

Lmao my problem with proc set is the ridiculous damage they deal while combine with heavy armor their no risk involved,with the damage it allows you to do.Yes being a tank and running max resistance and still have good damage to rekt scrubs like you running proc sets I have no problem countering them,doesn't mean proc sets aren't broken and only scrubs like you would defend them.

The salt is real with you lol, get gud man.

You're starting to sound like someone who just discovered the relation between sodium chloride and meme culture.

Lol, salty pvpers, cry moar

I'm confused where you think my tears are, is it perhaps raining where you live? With the number of salt references you make, someone's liable to mistake you for a salt shaker.

PS: Still waiting to hear anything from you to back up your claims. At least put some more effort into your trolling, if nothing else.

Oye sir, crying hete on the forums won't do ya much, you got some training to do againt the proc meta. (Pro tip blocking helps a lot)

Proc sets are the equalizer for the casuals. Unfortunately, good players are also running this trash. I don't have a huge problem when it's only one proctato, but the anymore the zerglings are running these sets too.

I don't like RNG determining the better player. Call me old school, but I prefer skill to be the determining factor.

Also, memes don't care about the grammar police.

Jaronking

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

L2Proc...it's sad players defend killing things with RnG and think it's their "skill".

Lol I don't use them but I can defend against them unlike you guys crying all the time.

Yes, please show us unworthy pugs your leet skills that provide counter play to 15k free proc burst every 4 seconds on top of their regular dps.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is video or gtfo if you're gona keep making outlandish claims.

Brownie points if your "skill" isn't being a maluplar healing statue.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).

No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay

Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.

If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.

As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).

Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.

Lmao my problem with proc set is the ridiculous damage they deal while combine with heavy armor their no risk involved,with the damage it allows you to do.Yes being a tank and running max resistance and still have good damage to rekt scrubs like you running proc sets I have no problem countering them,doesn't mean proc sets aren't broken and only scrubs like you would defend them.

The salt is real with you lol, get gud man.

You're starting to sound like someone who just discovered the relation between sodium chloride and meme culture.

Lol, salty pvpers, cry moar

I'm confused where you think my tears are, is it perhaps raining where you live? With the number of salt references you make, someone's liable to mistake you for a salt shaker.

PS: Still waiting to hear anything from you to back up your claims. At least put some more effort into your trolling, if nothing else.

Oye sir, crying hete on the forums won't do ya much, you got some training to do againt the proc meta. (Pro tip blocking helps a lot)

Proc sets are the equalizer for the casuals. Unfortunately, good players are also running this trash. I don't have a huge problem when it's only one proctato, but the anymore the zerglings are running these sets too.

I don't like RNG determining the better player. Call me old school, but I prefer skill to be the determining factor.

Also, memes don't care about the grammar police.

Lmao rekt.