Official Discussion Thread for "Gamescom 2016 Recap: Update 12 & One Tamriel"

ZOS_GinaBruno

This is the official discussion thread for the blog article Gamescom 2016 Recap: Update 12 & One Tamriel. Join us this Friday at 4pm on Twitch for a first look at some of the upcoming content, and we'll see you on the PTS next week!

Cinbri

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Please tell us that PvE dueling will be possible inside factions.

MissBizz

"Veteran mode dungeons will now guarantee Monster Mask rewards"

How did I miss this? That's great!

nimander99

Crown Crates

Toward the end of November, we'll be giving you a chance to receive some very special items with the introduction of Crown Crates. These Crates, available in the Crown Store for just 400 crowns, will contain a randomized selection of useful consumables, and offer a chance to obtain rare and unique cosmetic items or mounts, including some previously-retired mounts, costumes, pets, and limited-time offers that are no longer available in the Crown Store. Crates will have different themes throughout the year, giving you the chance to obtain new, extremely rare items.

In the event you receive a mount, pet, costume or personality that you already own, you'll be awarded special Crown Gems in its place. These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

So first question: Will those previously retired and limited time offers include the long time subscriber mount pets and costumes?

Second Question: Will the "chance to obtain rare and unique cosmetic items or mounts" be only available via the box and items we will never see anywhere else, in essence forcing us collectors to potentially gamble thousands of dollars to get said unique cosmetics or mounts?

Can I get an official answer please @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ?

Panda_iMunch

nimander99 wrote: »

So first question: Will those previously retired and limited time offers include the long time subscriber mount pets and costumes?

Second Question: Will the "chance to obtain rare and unique cosmetic items or mounts" be only available via the box and items we will never see anywhere else, in essence forcing us collectors to potentially gamble thousands of dollars to get said unique cosmetics or mounts?

1. There will only be stuff from the Crown Store in the boxes. Anything from subscription and per-order will not be.
2. From what I understand, there will be some cosmetics in the crates only, but there will still be stuff introduced and shuffled in the Crown Store.

DMuehlhausen

One Tamriel still a terrible idea. Allowing people to just jump to any content is just not how MMOs/RPGs really work.

Also when you are trying to have warring factions one second you are group with a person next you're trying to destroy each other. I get Guilds, and Friends lists, but for just any random person out there is lame. How are the guards of cities going to react? Can Aldmeri just walk into Ebonheart, or will they have to raise their faction through quests or killing mobs like in Everquest. You can't say oh look at the huge war then just let people of other factions walk in and out of enemy cities....

altemriel

damn!! this looks awesome!! can`t wait for this update!!!

altemriel

Cinbri wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Please tell us that PvE dueling will be possible inside factions.

good question!! I wanna know this too!!

Preyfar

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

One Tamriel still a terrible idea. Allowing people to just jump to any content is just not how MMOs/RPGs really work.

Ultima Online, the first major MMO (discounting Meridian) worked like this. Any and all areas were accessible, though some areas were far, far more dangerous than others. UO was a skill-based MMO and it worked well. It can work just as well for ESO.

Legoless

nimander99 wrote: »

So first question: Will those previously retired and limited time offers include the long time subscriber mount pets and costumes?

No, I believe it was confirmed that the loyalty rewards won't be in the crates, although some non-Crown Store promo stuff might.

nimander99

Legoless wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

So first question: Will those previously retired and limited time offers include the long time subscriber mount pets and costumes?

No, I believe it was confirmed that the loyalty rewards won't be in the crates, although some non-Crown Store promo stuff might.

I'll only believe it if its stated in a manner other than "We don't have any plans at this time to add Loyalty Rewards to the Gambling Box"...

Recremen

This is such an incredibly good patch coming, why would you spoil it with such a heinous, disgusting system as gambling boxes? Why are you having "seasons" of gambling-exclusive items? Why are you changing the way that your loyal customers can support the game? We don't want to gamble at a chance for cosmetic items, we want to buy them in the same manner we always have. Gambling boxes are a stain on this otherwise remarkable game!!

Shadowolfs

So there is no new DLC coming this Q4, just improvements of base game.

JD2013

Shadowolfs wrote: »

So there is no new DLC coming this Q4, just improvements of base game.

Yep. That is correct.

Well, I will certainly keep popping on here, but no new DLC allows me to play FF XV when it comes out. So, yay to that.

nimander99

Recremen wrote: »

This is such an incredibly good patch coming, why would you spoil it with such a heinous, disgusting system as gambling boxes? Why are you having "seasons" of gambling-exclusive items? Why are you changing the way that your loyal customers can support the game? We don't want to gamble at a chance for cosmetic items, we want to buy them in the same manner we always have. Gambling boxes are a stain on this otherwise remarkable game!!

Gambling boxes that will have un-attainable items in them are going to send all us collectors packing.

NewBlacksmurf

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Any reason why it lacks so many details given the many threads from this weekend and mod comments would it not be possible to update this thread with more information specifics

-scaled zone nodes
-new transportation boat routes
-wayshrine teleport limitations
-travel to player limitations
-details on how lower scaling was changed
-activity finder updates
-Craglorn nodes specifically for Nirnhoned
Craglorn nirnhoned trait drops

Save dueling for PAX. Ok

anitajoneb17_ESO

Awesome article.

I wanted to start a new character but the mere idea to have to redo King Eymeric stuff again made me kinda sick. With One Tamriel, I'll be able to start how I want and make up an entirely new personal story for my character. Looking forward to this.

nimander99

This is a massive frustration point for me. I have been advocating for something like One Tamriel since about a month into playing this game. Now that its coming they decided to toss in Gambling Boxes that appear to contain cosmetics that will only be attainable through buying large quantities of Gambling Boxes. (see Neverwinter)

My overwhelming excitement for Update 12 turned to ashes in my mouth.

I've purchased every cosmetic offered in the Crown Store, every - single - one. Including a sub that has never lapsed and I have outright bought every DLC.

Apparently that's not generating enough revenue so... Introducing a tacky gambling system!

This game isn't just some stand alone MMO. This is an Elder Scrolls MMO! It should be a step above the petty gambling carp you see in F2P games...

WhiteCoatSyndrome

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

-Craglorn nodes specifically for Nirnhoned
Craglorn nirnhoned trait drops

@NewBlacksmurf ...where was this? Link please?

MissBizz

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Any reason why it lacks so many details given the many threads from this weekend and mod comments would it not be possible to update this thread with more information specifics

-scaled zone nodes
-new transportation boat routes
-wayshrine teleport limitations
-travel to player limitations
-details on how lower scaling was changed
-activity finder updates
-Craglorn nodes specifically for Nirnhoned
Craglorn nirnhoned trait drops

Save dueling for PAX. Ok

@NewBlacksmurf Taking a wild guess here.. but I imagine they will have their usual "deep dive articles" and ESO Live's tailored toward specifics elements of said patch, so they're holding back on the first official article.

Legoless

nimander99 wrote: »

I've purchased every cosmetic offered in the Crown Store, every - single - one.

You shouldn't have too much of a problem accruing the Crown Gems needed to get the new mounts then, assuming they'll be available in that manner. Non-whales who don't buy everything will have a much tougher time getting them and will end up filling their collection with all sorts of trash along the way.

wayfarerx

nimander99 wrote: »

This is a massive frustration point for me. I have been advocating for something like One Tamriel since about a month into playing this game. Now that its coming they decided to toss in Gambling Boxes that appear to contain cosmetics that will only be attainable through buying large quantities of Gambling Boxes. (see Neverwinter)

My overwhelming excitement for Update 12 turned to ashes in my mouth.

...

This game isn't just some stand alone MMO. This is an Elder Scrolls MMO! It should be a step above the petty gambling carp you see in F2P games...

Well put, this is exactly how I feel. One Tamriel is the game I always wanted to play, now I just have to walk through a scummy casino with mouth-breathing pit bosses and vacant-eyed waitresses every time I want to play.

Why don't we get Arnold Schwarzenegger to do some low-production-value mobile ads while we're at it?

Preyfar

Legoless wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I've purchased every cosmetic offered in the Crown Store, every - single - one.

You shouldn't have too much of a problem accruing the Crown Gems needed to get the new mounts then, assuming they'll be available in that manner. Non-whales who don't buy everything will have a much tougher time getting them and will end up filling their collection with all sorts of trash along the way.

Yeah. The way it sounds is if you have the collectable you'll get Gems in return for it, and you can then outright purchase your desired item with the gems instead of continuing to gamble. So the system sounds like it's designed to reward people who missed out on older items without majorly punishing people who have purchased everything up until this point.

pjb21

this update looks really good and im definitely looking forward all except one thing, the gambling boxes. pretty much feel the same way as the others who have posted against them. offering exclusive items through RNG bs just feels like bad faith and money grabbing (and im not shy from giving this game money in the slightest).

I can understand re-releasing time limited items, it gives anyone who wasnt playing on the weekend it was out (new player, taking a break from the game, on holiday etc) a chance to obtain them. yes it might devalue those items a little on personal terms, but its been exclusive for a long time so it seems reasonable as long as they arent available a short time after they were initially available.

as someone who loves to collect cosmetic items i am not happy about the new gambling boxes, the crown gem system might help with this a little but it's still a potentially very expensive way to obtain crate exclusive items, especially if there is more than one crate exclusive item you want. if the rng nature is somewhat minimised and you can avoid having to spend a great deal of money to obtain the items you want then id be ok with this, but as it stands with the relative lack of information, how it seems and how other games have used this mechanic its not something i can get behind.

NewBlacksmurf

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

-Craglorn nodes specifically for Nirnhoned
Craglorn nirnhoned trait drops

@NewBlacksmurf ...where was this? Link please?

@WhiteCoatSyndrome

This was from the dev fracker another week and maybe ESO live. I forget but it was over the last two weeks announced and mentioned in a few different ways

NewBlacksmurf

MissBizz wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Any reason why it lacks so many details given the many threads from this weekend and mod comments would it not be possible to update this thread with more information specifics

-scaled zone nodes
-new transportation boat routes
-wayshrine teleport limitations
-travel to player limitations
-details on how lower scaling was changed
-activity finder updates
-Craglorn nodes specifically for Nirnhoned
Craglorn nirnhoned trait drops

Save dueling for PAX. Ok

@NewBlacksmurf Taking a wild guess here.. but I imagine they will have their usual "deep dive articles" and ESO Live's tailored toward specifics elements of said patch, so they're holding back on the first official article.

Yeah but cause the live stream went flop....just askin'

Tevalaur

Legoless wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I've purchased every cosmetic offered in the Crown Store, every - single - one.

You shouldn't have too much of a problem accruing the Crown Gems needed to get the new mounts then, assuming they'll be available in that manner. Non-whales who don't buy everything will have a much tougher time getting them and will end up filling their collection with all sorts of trash along the way.

Not to mention that it sounds like the only thing you're guaranteed from the boxes is a mix of consumables... So one out of every how many boxes will even have a mount/pet/costume even if it's not the one you actually want? Will the boxes be themed so that you know you're gambling for a mount vs a costume? (my guess is probably not)

SanTii.92

Recremen wrote: »

This is such an incredibly good patch coming, why would you spoil it with such a heinous, disgusting system as gambling boxes? Why are you having "seasons" of gambling-exclusive items? Why are you changing the way that your loyal customers can support the game? We don't want to gamble at a chance for cosmetic items, we want to buy them in the same manner we always have. Gambling boxes are a stain on this otherwise remarkable game!!

And where you get that you won't be able to support the game the way you've always did? Most probably the unique cosmetic stuff will only be reskins of crown existing mounts or pets. Seriously you all should chill out before even knowing what will be gated and what won't.

Thealteregoroman

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

One Tamriel still a terrible idea. Allowing people to just jump to any content is just not how MMOs/RPGs really work.

Also when you are trying to have warring factions one second you are group with a person next you're trying to destroy each other. I get Guilds, and Friends lists, but for just any random person out there is lame. How are the guards of cities going to react? Can Aldmeri just walk into Ebonheart, or will they have to raise their faction through quests or killing mobs like in Everquest. You can't say oh look at the huge war then just let people of other factions walk in and out of enemy cities....

Hmmm.....If im in the USA and you are in Russia and we are at war....I can fly to Russia or take a boat there......I wont be stopped by guards unless I break the law.........

Right?

ok.

Thealteregoroman

Legoless wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I've purchased every cosmetic offered in the Crown Store, every - single - one.

You shouldn't have too much of a problem accruing the Crown Gems needed to get the new mounts then, assuming they'll be available in that manner. Non-whales who don't buy everything will have a much tougher time getting them and will end up filling their collection with all sorts of trash along the way.

I didn't think of that! this is VERY true!

Recremen

sAnn92 wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

This is such an incredibly good patch coming, why would you spoil it with such a heinous, disgusting system as gambling boxes? Why are you having "seasons" of gambling-exclusive items? Why are you changing the way that your loyal customers can support the game? We don't want to gamble at a chance for cosmetic items, we want to buy them in the same manner we always have. Gambling boxes are a stain on this otherwise remarkable game!!

And where you get that you won't be able to support the game the way you've always did? Most probably the unique cosmetic stuff will only be reskins of crown existing mounts or pets. Seriously you all should chill out before even knowing what will be gated and what won't.

Let's not pull the wool over our own eyes here, the best items that would have previously gone to the Crown Store are absolutely going to be locked as incentives for their gambling service. All the mounts that aren't the standard skin, all the highest-tier costumes, all the coolest pets. Gambling on them is literally not the same as buying them. There's no guarantee that you'll ever get them no matter how much you spend, that's a mathematical fact, and the more people gambling the more likely it is that someone will miss out regardless of how high they're willing to bid. It is completely sickening. There's no need to do this via gambling boxes, they could just keep adding items to the Crown Store proper.