You got to enjoy the Radiant Destruction and Incapacitating Strike Spammers in cyrodil

Lieblingsjunge

orinthol wrote: »

Thick Skinned renders Radiant Destruction quite laughable.

And here. A guy that thought about a way to counter radiant instead of crying about it. Cookies for you, my friend!

Radiant should be like impale above 25% hp. I don't mind the magicka pool-scaling nor the damage against blocked targets. But the way it hits 5-6k on a 5pc light armour target at 95-100% is crazy, but it happens. But 1) Make it break as soon as you get out of LoS 3) Get rid of the *** damage <30%. (Even though it is an amazing ability to burn down reactive/Transmutation/Fasalla/malu-tanks!). It's useful, though. I mean, eternalhunt permadodging nightblades on 25% hp,, one tick of beam and they rip. Otherwise they'll easily get away. When that's said. If anything, make it work like the *** Sorc-execute, procs on the target when it's under 20% health or something. It shouldn't render Radiant completly useless like it once was, but it should make it a somewhat useful execute.


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On a whole other note: This is probably the 100th thread about Incap or Radiant or both I've seen in the last 2 weeks. Why not try to put all arguments in one thread for ZoS to see, god knows! Let's make 100 different ones instead.

Drdeath20

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

orinthol wrote: »

Thick Skinned renders Radiant Destruction quite laughable.

And here. A guy that thought about a way to counter radiant instead of crying about it. Cookies for you, my friend!

Radiant should be like impale above 25% hp. I don't mind the magicka pool-scaling nor the damage against blocked targets. But the way it hits 5-6k on a 5pc light armour target at 95-100% is crazy, but it happens. But 1) Make it break as soon as you get out of LoS 3) Get rid of the *** damage <30%. (Even though it is an amazing ability to burn down reactive/Transmutation/Fasalla/malu-tanks!). It's useful, though. I mean, eternalhunt permadodging nightblades on 25% hp,, one tick of beam and they rip. Otherwise they'll easily get away. When that's said. If anything, make it work like the *** Sorc-execute, procs on the target when it's under 20% health or something. It shouldn't render Radiant completly useless like it once was, but it should make it a somewhat useful execute.


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On a whole other note: This is probably the 100th thread about Incap or Radiant or both I've seen in the last 2 weeks. Why not try to put all arguments in one thread for ZoS to see, god knows! Let's make 100 different ones instead.

The real problem is the helpfully hints on your death report.

Drink a potion lol

What if it actually told you that you can literally shrug off radiant by bashing the air?

I bet you would see less threads.

Actually_Goku

Increase Incap Strike cost to 120 ultimate, reduce Radiant execute trigger from 50% to 30%.

/thread

Tan9oSuccka

I don't have issues with either of these skills.

People glitching into keeps, and the guys that instantly heal from nothing to full (without casting a power) are bigger issues.

Van_0S

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IcyDeadPeople

Drdeath20 wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777 again, do you even play this game ? xDD I was actually writing quite a lot of arguments on why beam is broken, but tbh it's not worth. You're not worth it, judging by people commenting on these posts, the community is not worth, and overall this game is not worth it anymore.
If you actually fail to see that a ranged 4 seconds, 50% threshold execute with an insane range, whose damage increases with your magicka pools and can't be dodged, and which is used by a class having increased damage against blocking targets, has a problem, then clearly we'll never understand each other.

kasa-obake wrote: »

Again, you all seem to forget that beam is undodgeable, and the increased damage starts at 50%. When a templar spams beam on you at 100% health, it's adorable in a pug way. Unfortunately, as soon as you're under 50%, beam does way too much additional pressure for you to go melee and bash the templar. Keep in mind that immovability potions do exist, which makes destructive reach, draining shot, frags, and other stuns useless more often than it seems. All those great and wonderful ideas that you have are very good on paper, however it really does not translate in reality.
Perhaps you managed to bash a CP130 guy who was trying to beam you once If so, congratulations but that still doesn't change the fact that this skill is broken af. 50% threshold, really, what was ZOS thinking xDD

Decrease the range of beam, make it dodgeable, reduce the *** threshold, those would all be better solutions than "omg l2p interrupt" nonesense you're saying.

You don't need to bash the caster to break radiant. When the beam is applied on you just bash the air. If multiple beams are applied on you then you have to bash ,the air, multiple times.

You are saying it is now possible to simply CC break jesus beam, without being anywhere near the caster? I believe you are mistaken.

Lettigall

Yes, Incap Strike is strong and I have used it a lot. I was too thinking that's OP , until I switched to Dawnbreaker! It's far more superior- high damage, AOE and undodgable! Outside the gank, my incaps often are simply dodged,( damn you "working as intended" shuffle). But I wouldn't mind if it's cost would be raised to 75 ulti.

Brutusmax1mus

Only change i think is in order ID the damage from radiant not being upfront. Most of the time you don't even see a beam

outsideworld76

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

You know, I wonder how many people actually try to BLOCK attacks... My tank has made Meteors look like pebbles by simply blocking them.

I can block all I want, due to lag I still get hit.

Mortehl

The range is the singular issue with the skill. We need more dodge roll counters. Templars need skills which take pressure off them.

Guaranteed an 8 meter cap on the range and you won't have packs of fagplars running around spamming it on everyone, even if they're heavy armor malubeth fagplars.

JAMESLJNR

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Increase Incap Strike cost to 120 ultimate, reduce Radiant execute trigger from 50% to 30%.

/thread

Lol a single target ulti costing 120? Are you for real?

Ch4mpTW

JAMESLJNR wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Increase Incap Strike cost to 120 ultimate, reduce Radiant execute trigger from 50% to 30%.

/thread

Lol a single target ulti costing 120? Are you for real?

For PVP, that sounds wonderful. For PVE, not so much. This is why again, the developers need to seperate skills and costs from PVP and PVE. For PVP, it should cost 120 ultimate. For PVE, it should remain where it's at. For PVE, Radiant Destruction should stay the same. For PVP, it should be nerfed.

Actually_Goku

JAMESLJNR wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Increase Incap Strike cost to 120 ultimate, reduce Radiant execute trigger from 50% to 30%.

/thread

Lol a single target ulti costing 120? Are you for real?

Okay I'm willing to compromise, 100

vyndral13preub18_ESO

outsideworld76 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

You know, I wonder how many people actually try to BLOCK attacks... My tank has made Meteors look like pebbles by simply blocking them.

I can block all I want, due to lag I still get hit.

The funny part of this is due to lag Some templars stand at the back spamming RD on people.

Nerf lag!

Cherryblossom

Milvan wrote: »

*sigh*

Where are the git gud/l2p comments?

Seriously op, these skills are not overpowered. They can be easily blocked and dodgeable. Also you can easily interrupt the caster of RD with most of ranged attacks.

I agree, I use Radiant as an execute, actually does less than my DK with Two Handed Execute. More importantly I try to use it for an execute because it doesn't do that much damage before execute range, it also highlights you on the battlefield if you have a continous beam firing. If someone is using it before execute range they do have L2P issue, as it is easily interupted and leaves you vunerable, I've killed many templars that are channeling this skill too early, hit them couple of times, then interupt, whilst they are stunned finish them off.

I agree with others that DBoS is a much better ulti to use.

Autolycus

Agree with OP.

Voxicity

kasa-obake wrote: »

Again, you all seem to forget that beam is undodgeable, and the increased damage starts at 50%. When a templar spams beam on you at 100% health, it's adorable in a pug way. Unfortunately, as soon as you're under 50%, beam does way too much additional pressure for you to go melee and bash the templar. Keep in mind that immovability potions do exist, which makes destructive reach, draining shot, frags, and other stuns useless more often than it seems. All those great and wonderful ideas that you have are very good on paper, however it really does not translate in reality.
Perhaps you managed to bash a CP130 guy who was trying to beam you once If so, congratulations but that still doesn't change the fact that this skill is broken af. 50% threshold, really, what was ZOS thinking xDD

Decrease the range of beam, make it dodgeable, reduce the *** threshold, those would all be better solutions than "omg l2p interrupt" nonesense you're saying.

l2p

Strider_Roshin

Drdeath20 wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Incapacitating strike is dodgeable and only stuns if the target has higher health than the caster.

Dawnbreaker of smiting is generally a stronger choice as it does more damage, affects multiple targets, cannot be dodged and always stuns.

Erm incap got changed, it now stuns every time o.O Incap applies healing debuffs, increases damage against the target and is up so often it might as well be a 6th skill

But it's dodgeable which makes it so easy to counter

Try to dodge when you're feared. If you don't break it almost immediately or if you get the unbreakable CC bug or if you're out of stamina, incap is devastating.

Break it immediately then? Is this an L2P issue or what?

I also have a very hard time with fear. Not in a fair fight situation but when I'm being ganked. So out of nowhere there's a combo I don't really understand. I think it's something like suprise attack, incapacitating strike, then some mixed in light, heavy attacks then I finally break stun drop my purge down, throw up 1 heal (which puts me to 50% health and suddenly my guy is moving. It takes me a second to realize I'm not moving the joystick in that direction. Then it dawns on me oh wait I'm being feared. So I try to break but it's bugged. In the meantime the nightblade is firing everything at me.

The animation for fear is not obvious enough.

Also the cp ironclad is a terrible counter to fear. At 100 CP's invested into ironclad i remove 25% of fea . So if fear is 4 seconds that means that now it's 3 seconds. Whoopee!

Off topic but I just hate that skill

Lol definitely a L2P issue. Do you play on console?

jkolb2030

kasa-obake wrote: »

Interrupt radiant when you have multiple assailants on you, as is the mostly the case in open world, yeah good luck with that. Do people who comment on these posts even play this game xDD ?
"Oh yeah my healer can block everything"
"Oh i have a full dodge roll build, no damage but damn I dodge a lot"
"I wear Malubeth and eat radiants in Xv1 for breakfast"...

Just because you have cheesy build and can avoid being constantly rekt by these skills, doesn't mean they aren't ridiculously overpowered if not outright broken. Fear + incap, ranged radiant with other melee attackers on you... If you're about to deride valid complains about these unbalanced skills by implying that it's a l2p/l2react issue, please show us visual proof of your glorious PvP prowess in such circumstances.

This is exactly what I ran into last night during PvP...

I would constantly get feared by a NB and then have 2 RD's hitting me from a distance well beyond a gap closer and then get an incap strike thrown in there too.. It was the most ridiculous thing ever.. The RD damage is insane if you are built right - at least nerf the damn range on those things!!

Strider_Roshin

Lettigall wrote: »

Yes, Incap Strike is strong and I have used it a lot. I was too thinking that's OP , until I switched to Dawnbreaker! It's far more superior- high damage, AOE and undodgable! Outside the gank, my incaps often are simply dodged,( damn you "working as intended" shuffle). But I wouldn't mind if it's cost would be raised to 75 ulti.

That would be a death sentence for that move. As it is in live I prefer DBoS over incap in every situation other than against OP Templars. If the ultimate cost was even remotely similar I'd drop it for DBoS permanently. I personally would love the idea of all of my attacks hitting harder just by slotting one move on my bar lol.

Egonieser

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Incapacitating strike is dodgeable and only stuns if the target has higher health than the caster.

Dawnbreaker of smiting is generally a stronger choice as it does more damage, affects multiple targets, cannot be dodged and always stuns.

No, incapacitating strike now has a 100% stun chance, they changed it when they reworked the DK/NB stam morphs.

Praeficere

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Incapacitating strike is dodgeable and only stuns if the target has higher health than the caster.

Dawnbreaker of smiting is generally a stronger choice as it does more damage, affects multiple targets, cannot be dodged and always stuns.

Incapacitating Strike always stuns, regardless of health. This was changed with Dark Brotherhood.

The fact that it's also a huge nuke, applies major defile and increases your damage on the target by 20% all for 50 ultimate... that's a fair bit too much for 50 ultimate, let alone one skill.

Incap > Dawnbreaker.

idk

Always get a laugh when someone calls for a radiant destruction nerf. I've been hit by this many times and have only died when low health.

Part of PvP is figuring out how to protect oneself. Of course another part is learning to die as a warrior, sometimes often.

thankyourat

Praeficere wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Incapacitating strike is dodgeable and only stuns if the target has higher health than the caster.

Dawnbreaker of smiting is generally a stronger choice as it does more damage, affects multiple targets, cannot be dodged and always stuns.

Incapacitating Strike always stuns, regardless of health. This was changed with Dark Brotherhood.

The fact that it's also a huge nuke, applies major defile and increases your damage on the target by 20% all for 50 ultimate... that's a fair bit too much for 50 ultimate, let alone one skill.

Incap > Dawnbreaker.

I agree that incap is better than dbos, but that's only cause it cost 50 ultimate if you raise incap to 100 than dbos would be alot better

Francescolg

"juhasman wrote: »

Incapacitating strike deals now disease dmg can hit for up to 19k into player and ALWAYS stuns. Also applies major defile lowering target healing by 30% and increasing Your overall dmg by 20% for next ~5 seconds. It costs 50 ulti and yes it's dodgable but not when target is feared

100% correct, I just want to add: Disease dmg + major defile combined offer 45% heal debuff, that is even better :-D

Francescolg

kasaobake wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777 again, do you even play this game ? xDD I was actually writing quite a lot of arguments on why beam is broken, but tbh it's not worth. You're not worth it, judging by people commenting on these posts, the community is not worth, and overall this game is not worth it anymore.
If you actually fail to see that a ranged 4 seconds, 50% threshold execute with an insane range, whose damage increases with your magicka pools and can't be dodged, and which is used by a class having increased damage against blocking targets, has a problem, then clearly we'll never understand each other.

Repeating an argument, or the same ones, over and over again is called an empty signifier. Maybe you Google that term and you stop posting about radiant destruction, if you already wrote too much about it. OR avoid completely to repeat yourself, I'm quite sure that ZOS heard your arguments, so there is no need to repeat them over and over again, thanks!

RoyalSlyness

mmolegends44 wrote: »

balance pvp goodness gracious.

So what Ult's do you run?

Stratforge

Rayya_Blackheart wrote: »

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777 think about what you said my " Tank" !

My PvE healer can block and take most incoming damage. I don't even have impen gear. I can't tell you the number of RDs I've rolled right out of or even block walked out of.

I sure do love to roll out of RD...wait.

doublestuffed

Stratforge wrote: »

Rayya_Blackheart wrote: »

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777 think about what you said my " Tank" !

My PvE healer can block and take most incoming damage. I don't even have impen gear. I can't tell you the number of RDs I've rolled right out of or even block walked out of.

I sure do love to roll out of RD...wait.

You can also break LOS too

idk

jkolb2030 wrote: »

kasa-obake wrote: »

Interrupt radiant when you have multiple assailants on you, as is the mostly the case in open world, yeah good luck with that. Do people who comment on these posts even play this game xDD ?
"Oh yeah my healer can block everything"
"Oh i have a full dodge roll build, no damage but damn I dodge a lot"
"I wear Malubeth and eat radiants in Xv1 for breakfast"...

Just because you have cheesy build and can avoid being constantly rekt by these skills, doesn't mean they aren't ridiculously overpowered if not outright broken. Fear + incap, ranged radiant with other melee attackers on you... If you're about to deride valid complains about these unbalanced skills by implying that it's a l2p/l2react issue, please show us visual proof of your glorious PvP prowess in such circumstances.

This is exactly what I ran into last night during PvP...

I would constantly get feared by a NB and then have 2 RD's hitting me from a distance well beyond a gap closer and then get an incap strike thrown in there too.. It was the most ridiculous thing ever.. The RD damage is insane if you are built right - at least nerf the damn range on those things!!

Yea, umm. When you have 3 people attacking you it's gonna hurt, regardless of what they use.

For those dying to a single player hitting you with RD, doing something wrong because I've never died to a single player hitting me with RD.