You got to enjoy the Radiant Destruction and Incapacitating Strike Spammers in cyrodil

mmolegends44

balance pvp goodness gracious.

IcyDeadPeople

Incapacitating strike is dodgeable and only stuns if the target has higher health than the caster.

Dawnbreaker of smiting is generally a stronger choice as it does more damage, affects multiple targets, cannot be dodged and always stuns.

UltimaJoe777

You know, I wonder how many people actually try to BLOCK attacks... My tank has made Meteors look like pebbles by simply blocking them.

mmolegends44

@IcyDeadPeople it really isn't

mmolegends44

@UltimaJoe777 think about what you said my " Tank" !

covenant_merchant

Incap strike also makes you float on the ground and faithfully impersonate a floppy fish for awhile. Blocking incap and radiant in open world pvp might only work for tanks, or other cancerous malutard templars. Also, this thread didn't mention "meteors", so you blocking meteors like pebbles seems out of context.
Both skills are broken atm, you can't really deny that no matter what build you play.

orinthol

Thick Skinned renders Radiant Destruction quite laughable.

Funkopotamus

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777 think about what you said my " Tank" !

Yeah most "Tanks" can survive the altar knife from that 2nd boss in FG that doesn't mean the rest of the group will...

kadar

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@IcyDeadPeople it really isn't

/gasp. You no run shuffles on tank?

Incap may be especially hard for you to counter, perhaps. I've been telling all my stamblade friends to slot DBoS, because it's better. You're welcome, I suppose!

mmolegends44

@Funkopotamus exactly dude

mmolegends44

@orinthol you could have points in there and still get hit pretty hard I been hearing people been getting hit for 33k raidant destructions

mmolegends44

@kasa-obake agreed

UltimaJoe777

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777 think about what you said my " Tank" !

Yes I took my tank to Cyrodiil and frankly he did amazingly well. What the problem is? Unless you meant this...

Funkopotamus wrote: »

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777 think about what you said my " Tank" !

Yeah most "Tanks" can survive the altar knife from that 2nd boss in FG that doesn't mean the rest of the group will...

I wasn't trying to indicate anything by using my Tank as an example. I'm just saying blocking does wonders. Even if you don't have a shield it can still help.

DannyLV702

Am I the only person who is able to dodge the majority of incap strikes thrown at me??? Holy crap I want you guys complaining about it on the opposite side whenever I'm playing because I rarely seem to land any lol

Milvan

*sigh*

Where are the git gud/l2p comments?

Seriously op, these skills are not overpowered. They can be easily blocked and dodgeable. Also you can easily interrupt the caster of RD with most of ranged attacks.

UltimaJoe777

Milvan wrote: »

*sigh*

Where are the git gud/l2p comments?

Seriously op, these skills are not overpowered. They can be easily blocked and dodgeable. Also you can easily interrupt the caster of RD with most of ranged attacks.

Git Gud 2 Learn.

Caza99

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Incapacitating strike is dodgeable and only stuns if the target has higher health than the caster.

Dawnbreaker of smiting is generally a stronger choice as it does more damage, affects multiple targets, cannot be dodged and always stuns.

Erm incap got changed, it now stuns every time o.O Incap applies healing debuffs, increases damage against the target and is up so often it might as well be a 6th skill

Rayya_Blackheart

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777 think about what you said my " Tank" !

My PvE healer can block and take most incoming damage. I don't even have impen gear. I can't tell you the number of RDs I've rolled right out of or even block walked out of.

mmolegends44

@Caza99 yeah that's what myself and few others been saying the rest doesn't get it I guess.

juhasman

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Incapacitating strike is dodgeable and only stuns if the target has higher health than the caster.

Dawnbreaker of smiting is generally a stronger choice as it does more damage, affects multiple targets, cannot be dodged and always stuns.

@IcyDeadPeople You have old info. Incapacitating strike deals now disease dmg can hit for up to 19k into player and ALWAYS stuns. Also applies major defile lowering target healing by 30% and increasing Your overall dmg by 20% for next ~5 seconds. It costs 50 ulti and yes it's dodgable but not when target is feared

UltimaJoe777

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@Caza99 yeah that's what myself and few others been saying the rest doesn't get it I guess.

You're confused. We get what it can do, it's just not everyone has a problem dealing with it.

Van_0S

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

You know, I wonder how many people actually try to BLOCK attacks... My tank has made Meteors look like pebbles by simply blocking them.

True !
I can block the meteor and RD with my dual wielding and restoration staff, and avoid damage.No need to use sword and shield. Just block !

covenant_merchant

Interrupt radiant when you have multiple assailants on you, as is the mostly the case in open world, yeah good luck with that. Do people who comment on these posts even play this game xDD ?
"Oh yeah my healer can block everything"
"Oh i have a full dodge roll build, no damage but damn I dodge a lot"
"I wear Malubeth and eat radiants in Xv1 for breakfast"...

Just because you have cheesy build and can avoid being constantly rekt by these skills, doesn't mean they aren't ridiculously overpowered if not outright broken. Fear + incap, ranged radiant with other melee attackers on you... If you're about to deride valid complains about these unbalanced skills by implying that it's a l2p/l2react issue, please show us visual proof of your glorious PvP prowess in such circumstances.

mmolegends44

@kasa-obake lmao Idk what game they playing dude!

Caza99

RD is only a problem for me if I'm getting Xv1'd. Having a few guys beating me down while a Templar sits at the back spamming RD on me is painful. Other than that it's easy to deal with. And NB incap strike is only a problem for me if I don't break fear in time or get stuck in unbreakable CC cos ZoS.

ArchMikem

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@orinthol you could have points in there and still get hit pretty hard I been hearing people been getting hit for 33k raidant destructions

For a skill like Radiant, how high the number is when shows on your death recap is irrelevant and many others have pointed out in the past. The skill is an execute, the damage multiplies exponentially if you are low health at the time. I've seen so many people simply shrug off and walk away from a Templar cause the guy cast it on a full, or nearly full health player.

Stupid example you don't need to read if you already understand what the skill does follow;

Say your health at full is 20k. You're fighting, fighting, and your health is now at 10k. If that Templar cast Radiant at you while still at 20k, you'd have been hit for probably what, 6k? 8k? But if he cast it at you at 10k or less, then he'd get that damage multiplier, but at that point it doesn't matter. Regardless if his attack hit you for 15k, 20k, 33k ect you'd still only have 10k left to give.

So then I'll assume that, when people say "NERF RADIANT", they really mean is, nerf the 330% additional part.

UltimaJoe777

kasa-obake wrote: »

Interrupt radiant when you have multiple assailants on you, as is the mostly the case in open world, yeah good luck with that. Do people who comment on these posts even play this game xDD ?
"Oh yeah my healer can block everything"
"Oh i have a full dodge roll build, no damage but damn I dodge a lot"
"I wear Malubeth and eat radiants in Xv1 for breakfast"...

Just because you have cheesy build and can avoid being constantly rekt by these skills, doesn't mean they aren't ridiculously overpowered if not outright broken. Fear + incap, ranged radiant with other melee attackers on you... If you're about to deride valid complains about these unbalanced skills by implying that it's a l2p/l2react issue, please show us visual proof of your glorious PvP prowess in such circumstances.

Our point is everything has a counter. If you're not running a counter for something that constantly destroys you regardless of circumstance then perhaps you should. If your issue is you have multiple assailants constantly destroying you then the counter is get some allies to aid you. Your scenario where RD is hitting you while multiple players are attacking you is honestly irrelevant because you have multiple people killing you, not one skill. Now if they are ALL RDing you then yeah get a counter for RD lol

covenant_merchant

@mmolegends44 I don't know either. I won't even go into the issues specific classes have with those skills in particular. I mean not every build can constantly block or dodge. (Btw, dude who was offering to block without a shield: without a shield, the mitigation is crap and you're just wasting precious stamina to get rekt 2 seconds later).

At any rate, you do not break skills and then leave players with the only option of avoiding it, which mind you, is more difficult with the increased costs of said avoiding methods (dodge, cc break, rapids disappearing with healing, shields being *** up, cloak being broken, block cost reduction being switched to a stupid tree, yadda. yadda.)
While ZOS does it over and over again with every patch, yeah.. it's just a series of bad and probably spontaneous decisions and unfortunate events that all lead to this, QQing on the forums at 2am because the game you love is going down the drain.
Hell is not the others, as Sartre would like you to think; hell is all the Xv1 beams and buggy incaps you see around you in Cyrodiil.

mmolegends44

@Caza99 yeap it's more annoying when you have a full stam bar and can't break out

covenant_merchant

@UltimaJoe777 again, do you even play this game ? xDD I was actually writing quite a lot of arguments on why beam is broken, but tbh it's not worth. You're not worth it, judging by people commenting on these posts, the community is not worth, and overall this game is not worth it anymore.
If you actually fail to see that a ranged 4 seconds, 50% threshold execute with an insane range, whose damage increases with your magicka pools and can't be dodged, and which is used by a class having increased damage against blocking targets, has a problem, then clearly we'll never understand each other.

mmolegends44

@kasa-obake I agree you saying everything for me that I was going to say lol