How to counter Malubeth users in PvP.

Paraflex

I am starting to see every Emp running around with this set as well. I have had this set in my bank for months but never used it. I guess I should encourage my guild of 100 people to start using this set so we can get it nerfed sooner.

Makkir

bigereard wrote: »

Fasalla + Major Defile + Minor Defile + 100 point on Befoul = Win

FYI total is 117% healing recieved reduction exclude 50% from Battle Spirit

some classes dont have that access.

Makkir

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

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Can you guys create an OTHER sub-forum for off topic discussions? I will pay you.

Makkir

Actually wait...what poisons combos are out there that apply major defile? Is there is poison that applies majordefile, 60% cost redux to Magicka/stamina?

leepalmer95

Makkir wrote: »

Actually wait...what poisons combos are out there that apply major defile? Is there is poison that applies majordefile, 60% cost redux to Magicka/stamina?

Poisons aren't the answer to anything, the cost increase poisons needs toning down by a lot or just took out the game altogether.

Rohaus

Fasalla + Reverberating bash + some points into befoul and GG! I currently am at 57% debuff just with Fasalla and when combined with Reverb, I am sitting close to 100% healing debuff.

Fasalla is so amazing... if Malubeth did not exist, I'd say Fasalla would need to be nerfed a tad... as it stands right now, Fasalla IS the counter to Malubeth.

GG

leepalmer95

Rohaus wrote: »

Fasalla + Reverberating bash + some points into befoul and GG! I currently am at 57% debuff just with Fasalla and when combined with Reverb, I am sitting close to 100% healing debuff.

Fasalla is so amazing... if Malubeth did not exist, I'd say Fasalla would need to be nerfed a tad... as it stands right now, Fasalla IS the counter to Malubeth.

GG

To be fair is till think the amount you can boost healing and the amount you can debuff it are over the top.

They both needs to be toned down, being able to debuff's someones healing so much that any form of healing is useless is bad game design.

Similarly being able to buff your healing so much to the point your nearly unkillable is also stupid.

Paraflex

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Rohaus wrote: »

Fasalla + Reverberating bash + some points into befoul and GG! I currently am at 57% debuff just with Fasalla and when combined with Reverb, I am sitting close to 100% healing debuff.

Fasalla is so amazing... if Malubeth did not exist, I'd say Fasalla would need to be nerfed a tad... as it stands right now, Fasalla IS the counter to Malubeth.

GG

To be fair is till think the amount you can boost healing and the amount you can debuff it are over the top.

They both needs to be toned down, being able to debuff's someones healing so much that any form of healing is useless is bad game design.

Similarly being able to buff your healing so much to the point your nearly unkillable is also stupid.

You are correct it should be limited. Instead we have near unlimited resources for people thanks to champion points and certain builds.

I can heal for ever on my templar due to certain builds. I should not have an unlimited supply of magika for Breath of Life or any other spell.

PeggymoeXD

You see, there's this big purple channel that hits you and starts sucking your health. If you see this..

get the hell away from them

It can also be cleansed.

Hutch679

dexylicious wrote: »

Malubeth is no longer healing for 20k+ at least it never has for me and I'm using reactive, transmutation, malubeth and vampire. I still get killed all the time as a Templar support healer being focused on, only peeps that cant kill me are low cp and undergeared peeps.. My heals and Hots heal way more than malubeth does.

Youre getting killed by sugar covered marshmallow birds?

MalakithAlamahdi

Today we fought another templar that went from 10% hp to 90% in 2 seconds while being stunned with this set. And this was a bad one that didn't use his healing skills besides breath of life spam. Anyone who thinks this set is alright the way it is, is either wearing it or grinding it to wear it.

twistedmonk

Malubeth definitely seems bugged in PvP from looking at all the youtube videos, etc.

What I don't understand is how this isn't hot-fixed ASAP.

Qbiken

Don´t applay 10 DoTs and do not attack 10+ people at once. And if beam would occur, just move away and break the beam (easier said than done but I manage to do it): easymode XD

Qbiken

Paraflex wrote: »

This set needs to be dealt with its used by everyone and no one ever dies this set is a problem in pvp

So just because a lot of people use a certain kind of build (even if malubeth needs a FIX as it doens´t work as it should) and are hard to kill, doesn´t necessary means it shall be dealt with (just implying the logic used here, not the state of malubeht itself, since neither reactive set or fasallas set are broken)

Qbiken

Rohaus wrote: »

Fasalla + Reverberating bash + some points into befoul and GG! I currently am at 57% debuff just with Fasalla and when combined with Reverb, I am sitting close to 100% healing debuff.

Fasalla is so amazing... if Malubeth did not exist, I'd say Fasalla would need to be nerfed a tad... as it stands right now, Fasalla IS the counter to Malubeth.

GG

"But I don´t want to put effort into changing something to able to handle someone else build, nerf their build so mine can work" * cries in corner*.

Glad to see that people actually think and try to find solutions instead of just complaining. Will personaly try this tactic.

Paraflex

Qbiken wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

This set needs to be dealt with its used by everyone and no one ever dies this set is a problem in pvp

So just because a lot of people use a certain kind of build (even if Malubeth needs a FIX as it doens´t work as it should) and are hard to kill, doesn´t necessary means it shall be dealt with (just implying the logic used here, not the state of malubeht itself, since neither reactive set or fasallas set are broken)

I guess you don't pvp much to think Malubeth is promoting a healthy pvp environment. It's not helping the game when I see a full group of heavy armor templars all wearing Malubeth. It's becoming common in duels and small groups. This set needs to be more in line with the other sets as its over performing.

The newest patch had no changes to Malubeth so i guess well see it for the next few months and see more FOTM heavy armor templar Malubeth buids. Specifically the trolly blazing shields/proxy/bats Malubeth builds.

Reactive armor and Fasallas are reasonable sets. One gives you a pretty solid defensive bonus and the other debuffs healing people around you. If they ever nerf Malubeth those sets will become the next FOTM set though.

Hempyre

I never see big heals off the set when i wear it on my magplar. Since they fixed the double dip crit thing it seems to be working as intended.

If it was scaled down even a little I think it would be abandoned by most in favor of something with better returns. I don't really see it as any different than some "infinite resource" builds I've come across, which by the way, I think was the intended target of 60% resource cost increase poisons.

Don't stand within Mal's range, it's an easily avoided mechanic. Dust off that back bar bow all you "whack a mole" types have for a run buff.

And if someone went from 10%-90% while stunned, then I have to ask... What the hell were all you peeps doing standing over the guy?

Because that wasn't just one purple beam...

Vangy

I wear 5 piece fasallas and use SnB on my DK. Reverb bash + fasallas totally wrecks mal. Or any kind of major defile coupled with poisons from my NB makes the oom or oos so fast too. Typically mal only works with high tankability toons. DPS wearing it and trying to cheese just get slaughtered by proper burst or healing debuffs.

Derra

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

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https://youtu.be/PTzbOA6cTYM?t=1m33s

If this was possible Malubeth would be pretty well countered.
Wtb instant decapitation move.

Derra

Rohaus wrote: »

Fasalla + Reverberating bash + some points into befoul and GG! I currently am at 57% debuff just with Fasalla and when combined with Reverb, I am sitting close to 100% healing debuff.

Fasalla is so amazing... if Malubeth did not exist, I'd say Fasalla would need to be nerfed a tad... as it stands right now, Fasalla IS the counter to Malubeth.

GG

A 5p set to counter a 2p set. Not balanced.

Also magica builds have no access to a not class dependant major defile debuff.

Last but not least: If it´s a dedicated healer the templar will actually never attack you resulting in fasallas never being applied.

Bashev

Derra wrote: »

Rohaus wrote: »

Fasalla + Reverberating bash + some points into befoul and GG! I currently am at 57% debuff just with Fasalla and when combined with Reverb, I am sitting close to 100% healing debuff.

Fasalla is so amazing... if Malubeth did not exist, I'd say Fasalla would need to be nerfed a tad... as it stands right now, Fasalla IS the counter to Malubeth.

GG

A 5p set to counter a 2p set. Not balanced.

Also magica builds have no access to a not class dependant major defile debuff.

Last but not least: If it´s a dedicated healer the templar will actually never attack you resulting in fasallas never being applied.

Thats the big issue with the healers. That is why I always scream to my friends: "Kill the dps first, they are debuffed".

Kas

fasalla + maj defile + CP in defile star. actively try to stand INSIDE spear shards etc, even banners at times.
that said, f* malubeth, delete it from the game, if you like. oh, and also f* major vitality pots

Waffennacht

Kas wrote: »

fasalla + maj defile + CP in defile star. actively try to stand INSIDE spear shards etc, even banners at times.
that said, f* malubeth, delete it from the game, if you like. oh, and also f* major vitality pots

Yeah that way only 2 classes have access to major mending! Wait a minute...

Vitality Pots are the one boon, don't go trying to get that nerfed.

I just run Enngine Guardian, it's like the non OP malubeth.... kinda

ManDraKE

5 pieces set + 1 skill + tons of points in one CP start to counter to a 2 pieces set.

#BalancedByForumGremlins

Paraflex

Derra wrote: »

Rohaus wrote: »

Fasalla + Reverberating bash + some points into befoul and GG! I currently am at 57% debuff just with Fasalla and when combined with Reverb, I am sitting close to 100% healing debuff.

Fasalla is so amazing... if Malubeth did not exist, I'd say Fasalla would need to be nerfed a tad... as it stands right now, Fasalla IS the counter to Malubeth.

GG

A 5p set to counter a 2p set. Not balanced.

Also magica builds have no access to a not class dependant major defile debuff.

Last but not least: If it´s a dedicated healer the templar will actually never attack you resulting in fasallas never being applied.

This is so true

Lokey0024

The set the way it is described in the tooltip is fine. The problem is on certain circumstances it procs a massive heal to the wearer and completely negates any attack. Its not common knowledge how its done but it breaks any chance of out dpsing the proc and self heals. This is the broken part. Double dip crit doesnt proc a 11k heal.

Sandman929

If there's a problem with Bahrahas, maybe it's a problem with sets that heal. Has anyone tested Briarheart or Vicecannon or any other set that heals as extensively as Malubeth?

Wycks

Typical ZOS bug fixing, don't pay attention to the actual game until every single person is using the bug, and then take 6 months to fix it.

This is already happening on the EU servers where 80% of the pop is using Malubeth and its now starting in NA, everyday people are switching over to it because the only way to fight unbalanced features in this game is to just join the club and use them.

hrothbern

Paraflex wrote: »

I am starting to see every Emp running around with this set as well. I have had this set in my bank for months but never used it. I guess I should encourage my guild of 100 people to start using this set so we can get it nerfed sooner.

haha

That would also help to get here public on the Forum the info how to max out the Heal of Malubeth
I can see from posts in this thread and others, that either many people do not know that or many keep their mouth shut.

I never use this set.
But during one of the longggg maintenance periods on live, I did test it thoroughly on PTS.
But perhaps, following your suggestion, I should use it on live

hrothbern

Kas wrote: »

fasalla + maj defile + CP in defile star. actively try to stand INSIDE spear shards etc, even banners at times.
that said, f* malubeth, delete it from the game, if you like. oh, and also f* major vitality pots

Jep
That's one way to do it
as DPS stay clear and burst high damage abilities only.
and one of your group having Fasalla + up to the 33% CP Defile increase for already 66% total Defile, should do the DOT's to get the Malubeth proc.

BTW
I think that the idea behind Malubeth is great.
I still wonder about the high 7-9k Heal ticks reported. Is that a game mechanics bug, a UI bug, or an exploit ? I think ZOS should investigate that.