Tips on healing Sorceress?

AzraeLTheDarkKnight

I have started a healing Sorceress and just want some tips on how to make it a good healer. I have done some dungeons and have seen some awesome Sorceress healers compared to Templars...

Mivryna

Stack magicka for higher Twilight Matriarch healing, and spell power for general healing power. For crafted gear I'd use 5 Julianos and 3/4 Magnus. Try to get Willpower jewelry if possible, of course.

For abilities, Rapid Regen and Healing Springs are probably your most useful for general healing, while your Twilight is for emergencies. (In trials, Healing Springs will probably be better for emergencies.) And of course Surge to get more sheer power out of your heals.

Mage stone for more Magicka, put enough champion points in Apprentice to get the extra critical rating.

Doesn't get much more complicated than that, really. It can also be a good idea to use the Scamp or Clannfear as well, so they can do some damage while you focus on the group. If you decide to do so, Daedric Prey would be helpful to use when the group isn't taking damage.

newtinmpls

And if you are appropriate level, the necropotence set. OMG it is wonderful!!

AzraeLTheDarkKnight

Mivryna wrote: »

Stack magicka for higher Twilight Matriarch healing, and spell power for general healing power. For crafted gear I'd use 5 Julianos and 3/4 Magnus. Try to get Willpower jewelry if possible, of course.

For abilities, Rapid Regen and Healing Springs are probably your most useful for general healing, while your Twilight is for emergencies. (In trials, Healing Springs will probably be better for emergencies.) And of course Surge to get more sheer power out of your heals.

Mage stone for more Magicka, put enough champion points in Apprentice to get the extra critical rating.

Doesn't get much more complicated than that, really. It can also be a good idea to use the Scamp or Clannfear as well, so they can do some damage while you focus on the group. If you decide to do so, Daedric Prey would be helpful to use when the group isn't taking damage.

Thanks @Mivryna

newtinmpls

Mivryna wrote: »

For abilities, Rapid Regen and Healing Springs are probably your most useful for general healing, while your Twilight is for emergencies. (In trials, Healing Springs will probably be better for emergencies.) And of course Surge to get more sheer power out of your heals..

I tend to do sorc healing only in emergencies - so take my advice with a salt lick (more than just a grain)

I have both pets with heal morphs, 1-they both can taunt and tank (this helps with distracting and sometimes killing enemies), 2-the clanfear heal works on me AND keeps the twilight alive.

I mostly use mutagen (and toss a couple before we get into it), between that and healing springs (targeted on the most squishy members) alternate with heavy resto attacks to keep the magicka flowing; then when I see anyone down near 50% I throw a twilight heal - it will generally target the lowest peeps and keep them good.

If you need more, consider the healing font thingie from undaunted - it's a good physical symbol to remind players where to be (come to) to get the most benefit from your healing (and if you aren't on skype or TS, you don't have the option of screaming at them to get the H*ck closer to the healer).

I've had a friend say that if you are in a situation (like a hallway or moving back to draw mobs) you can sort of sequentially stack healing springs, so as the party moves they move from one, into another. I'm not good at that (at the moment) but it's a technique to consider.

greylox

I've been healing vet dungeons with healing springs, twilight matriarch and Reviving barrier (absorption field if you don't have that) using the necropotence set, I couldn't reach those magicka levels with any other build not to mention Argonians are getting healing buff next update.
The matriarch is amazing, awesome burst heals but you absolutely have to keep it shielded with hardened/empowered ward because it's squishy as hell. With the right build it can work wonders although you may want to use more healing skills than I do if you want to add some group buffs etc (get rid of the familiar and that free's up 3 slots so you could have power surge on overload bar, ward ally/combat prayer on resto bar and elemental drain on destro bar)

Got a bit more info on it here at the top https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/229543/show-me-your-sorcerer-p/p10

Flameheart

I used the Matriarch healing pet formerly, but as my preposter already said it's squishy as hell. It still has its uses in some Boss fights, but also there are not just a few Boss fights where your pet will be almost a one hit. To shield it the whole time is one option (stressfull and magicka intensive), to drop the Matriarch heal another one.

I dropped back to the following skill set up for PvE:

Bar 1 (Resto): Healing Ward, Rapid Regeneration (or Mutagen), Healing Springs, Inner Light, Siphon Soul, Ice Comet / Shooting Star (or Absorption Field, depends on encounter and if it makes sense)

Bar 2 (Destro): Empowered Ward, Crushing Shock / Force Pulse, Liquid Lighting, Inner Light, Elemental Drain, Agressive Horn

You may switch Crushing Shock / Force Pulse on bar 2 for Mystic Orb / Energy Orb for a full support build and if the group dps is good enough. I recommend Mystic Orb for 4-men-group content, Energy Orb for raids. You may even switch Empowered Ward for other things (maybe Power Surge), if you are good enough to survive without (should be easily doable most of the time) and if you (or your group) don't need the magicka reg buff.

For advanced raiding like vet MoL and vet SO my guess is that the healer spots there will be reserved for templar healers, but for all the other stuff I am pretty sure that it is well healable by a Sorc healer too.

The only issue that remains is missing stamina support, but this involves every other healer class except templars. Spears can be thrown by magicka templar DDs too. Usually a magicka templar DD has spears as a standard AoE damage skill on his second bar.

AtAfternoon

I don't know about trials, but you can run all veteran dungeons with pugs on a sorc healer, only having ward ally and the twilight equipped except fungal grotto since the twilight absolutely melts at the last boss.

There's two things one have to consider when running with the Twilight as your main (and maybe only heal).

1) It never takes more damage than 45% of its max health per shot but it completely melts by damage over time. This leads to the last boss in Fungal Grotto being a bigger threat to your Twilight than Lord Warden Dusk.

2) The summoning is bugged, so if your Twilight die and you try to summon it and cast the heal before the summoning animation is complete, you will re-summon it instead of heal. So if your Twilight die, I recommend summoning it and then use Ward Ally right after instead of trying to heal, so make sure it gets fully summoned.

Edit: Keep in mind that you can cast guard on your Twilight.

sluice

The Sorc can provide some good healing.
As good, if not better than Templar.

Where Templar completely outperform Sorcs is in keeping your team up and running.
Sorc have no way to provide Stamina back to their team.
Also, Templar have a class purge and their instant heal is not vulnerable.

I had great success in running Vet Dungeons with my Sorc.
A few ones were really painful to run though, like Darkshade Cavern because of the last boss kept melting my Matrionarch.

Shaiba

Hello

As a sorc healer, you can use your matriarch in all vet dungeon. Be careful where you place your pet, be careful to use the ward when big damage is incoming. Keep Healing Ward as a backup if it dies. You won't need the self shield from ward ally cause your ward is better. But keep in mind that the matriarch's heal isn't your main healing skill, it can be compared to BoL from templar skill tree. Don't spam it, sometimes you won't need it at all (so if it dies on such bosses it won't be a problem).

You can do all the PvE content without the matriarch (if you don't like it, if you can't keep her alive, ...). Your main heals will be Healing Springs and/or Mutagen/Rapid Regen. Your "oh *** button" will be Healing Ward.

Don't forget to add sustainability skills such as Elemental drain, mystical orbs, ... Depends of the situation. If you don't play with a magicka tank or dds you can replace those skills ofc.

Absorption Fields and Aggressive Warhorn as Ulti. If you don't need CC, you can replace AF for a damage ulti.

This leads to the last boss in Fungal Grotto being a bigger threat to your Twilight than Lord Warden Dusk.

In this fight, you won't need flash heals at all. Just tells your teammates to stay packed and use Healing Springs. If it dies, it shouldn't be a problem for these kind of fight, don't summon her again, it's just a waste of time (you can do something better such as buffing or dpsing).

Sorc have no way to provide Stamina back to their team.

Wrong. Like any other classes, you can provide stamina back with master resto staff. In next patch master weapons will be upgraded to 160 CP. You can take a look at this post :
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/3156857/#Comment_3156857

For vet DC, healing springs and/or rapid regen will be your best friend You don't need flash heals for this fight.

Sure if you have the matriarch up and if you know how to keep her alive, use it, it'll be comfortable to have flash heals But if you don't want to manage her, or don't know how to keep her alive, no problem, don't panic, it's not supposed to be your main healing skill btw.

AzraeLTheDarkKnight

Thanks @Shaiba might have more questions later on as I lvl higher.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Shaiba wrote: »

Hello

As a sorc healer, you can use your matriarch in all vet dungeon. Be careful where you place your pet, be careful to use the ward when big damage is incoming. Keep Healing Ward as a backup if it dies. You won't need the self shield from ward ally cause your ward is better. But keep in mind that the matriarch's heal isn't your main healing skill, it can be compared to BoL from templar skill tree. Don't spam it, sometimes you won't need it at all (so if it dies on such bosses it won't be a problem).

You can do all the PvE content without the matriarch (if you don't like it, if you can't keep her alive, ...). Your main heals will be Healing Springs and/or Mutagen/Rapid Regen. Your "oh *** button" will be Healing Ward.

Don't forget to add sustainability skills such as Elemental drain, mystical orbs, ... Depends of the situation. If you don't play with a magicka tank or dds you can replace those skills ofc.

Absorption Fields and Aggressive Warhorn as Ulti. If you don't need CC, you can replace AF for a damage ulti.

This leads to the last boss in Fungal Grotto being a bigger threat to your Twilight than Lord Warden Dusk.

In this fight, you won't need flash heals at all. Just tells your teammates to stay packed and use Healing Springs. If it dies, it shouldn't be a problem for these kind of fight, don't summon her again, it's just a waste of time (you can do something better such as buffing or dpsing).

Sorc have no way to provide Stamina back to their team.

Wrong. Like any other classes, you can provide stamina back with master resto staff. In next patch master weapons will be upgraded to 160 CP. You can take a look at this post :
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/3156857/#Comment_3156857

For vet DC, healing springs and/or rapid regen will be your best friend You don't need flash heals for this fight.

Sure if you have the matriarch up and if you know how to keep her alive, use it, it'll be comfortable to have flash heals But if you don't want to manage her, or don't know how to keep her alive, no problem, don't panic, it's not supposed to be your main healing skill btw.

Now I have seen this post linked at least twice. I have to say yes the master restoration staff is good at what it does but for the vast majority of people it is not feasible to get. I mean when I was trying to get the vr14 version, I ran vDSA like 50+ times and never got one, now that might not sound like a lot but vDSA takes at least and hour to run through and that is with a good team. Personally I will be running the cp160 vDSA till I get one but will people stop making it sound like it is espz to get?

Other then that your post is spot on. I healed all vet dungeons as a sorc without the pet and with frags on my front bar proc the 3% extra spell crits passive, something I have not seen anyone recommend, I think it is useful and helps the team.

Flameheart

I have 2 master restoration staffs but they are "old" DSA item lvl cap. If you can get a new one with after upscaling vDSA it is an option for stamina support, but at first you need to get it with a proper trait. I hope Zenimax will increase the number of charges of those staffs too.

On the other side, I healed every 4-man vet instance with my Sorc with the above build and multiple times, even WGT and ICP before they got nerfed to hell. DK tanks and especially NB tanks can live well without spears, so the missing stamina support is not such a big issue as it seems most of the time.

With the upcoming insane DD scores of stamina builds in PvE this might change somewhat.

In raids of higher difficulty lvl (vet MoL, vet OS) templars will still be the first choice...and it's not because of BoL, it's because of stamina support, ritual, focus etc.

Shaiba

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Now I have seen this post linked at least twice. I have to say yes the master restoration staff is good at what it does but for the vast majority of people it is not feasible to get. I mean when I was trying to get the vr14 version, I ran vDSA like 50+ times and never got one, now that might not sound like a lot but vDSA takes at least and hour to run through and that is with a good team. Personally I will be running the cp160 vDSA till I get one but will people stop making it sound like it is espz to get?

Wow, i never said it's easy to get, it'll require lot of time/tries to get it but vDSA isn't that hard (i'm not sure about the 160 CP version cause I haven't tested it in the PTS).

I just talked about possibilities for a non-templar healer to give stamina back (cause someone said there were no way to give stamina back for a sorc healer, which is wrong).

Sure it'll take time to get it with proper trait (same as you I ran vDSA a lot and I had only one with *** trait ). But it'll worth it (the 160 CP version). If you want good gear, mastering your char it'll take time and dedication, I don't consider this is a problem. So yeah, if you want that kind of stuff, you'll have to work for it (in comparison it took me 5/6 months to have my SPC with proper traits (doing 5/6 vWGT a day)). +In the next patch you'll be able to trade stuff with your teammates (which means it'll be easier for us, healers, to get it in the future). I mean, if you want to be competitive at maintaining ressources with your non-templar healer , you'll need that staff, and you'll have to work for it.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Shaiba wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Now I have seen this post linked at least twice. I have to say yes the master restoration staff is good at what it does but for the vast majority of people it is not feasible to get. I mean when I was trying to get the vr14 version, I ran vDSA like 50+ times and never got one, now that might not sound like a lot but vDSA takes at least and hour to run through and that is with a good team. Personally I will be running the cp160 vDSA till I get one but will people stop making it sound like it is espz to get?

Wow, i never said it's easy to get, it'll require lot of time/tries to get it but vDSA isn't that hard (i'm not sure about the 160 CP version cause I haven't tested it in the PTS).

I just talked about possibilities for a non-templar healer to give stamina back (cause someone said there were no way to give stamina back for a sorc healer, which is wrong).

Sure it'll take time to get it with proper trait (same as you I ran vDSA a lot and I had only one with *** trait ). But it'll worth it (the 160 CP version). If you want good gear, mastering your char it'll take time and dedication, I don't consider this is a problem. So yeah, if you want that kind of stuff, you'll have to work for it (in comparison it took me 5/6 months to have my SPC with proper traits (doing 5/6 vWGT a day)). +In the next patch you'll be able to trade stuff with your teammates (which means it'll be easier for us, healers, to get it in the future). I mean, if you want to be competitive at maintaining ressources with your non-templar healer , you'll need that staff, and you'll have to work for it.

Glad I could amaze you. Lol.


The vDSA was hard, without a good team that knew what they were doing, it would take much longer than the hour that a good team would have completed it. It was not trivial.

I agree that it will most likely be faster to get in the next patch, simply because of the trading. That doesn't mean that it will be not hard to get. Most people do not have the time to run it that much. Therefore they have to make do with the skills they have.

Shaiba

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

The vDSA was hard, without a good team that knew what they were doing, it would take much longer than the hour that a good team would have completed it. It was not trivial.

Yeah it was, months ago. I feel sad about it. I didn't say it wasn't, we did lots of tries (and wipe lol) with guildies to pass it, but it was months ago. But nowadays, with CPs, gears, all the tactics that are known, it's not hard anymore (and they remove death counts, so you can try as much as you want without starting from the beginning again lol). If you want master staff (or any weapon) nowadays, it'll just require time and patience. I have big hope that vDSA 160 CP will become a challenge, but I highly doubt about that.

Most people do not have the time to run it that much.

I'm sorry for these people but MMORPG are time consuming, nothing new here. You can't expect to have rare and valuable items without working hard enough for them.

What I mean is we can do well as non-templar healer, we have advantages and unconvenient. We can't keep stamina ressources without master restoration staff. We'll farm to loot it, and people who don't have the time to do so won't have it as fast as us. It's just normal.

EDIT : if you play 1 or 2 hours each day (that's what most of gamers do after work for example), you can run 1 vet DSA a day. It'll require more time to get the staff, but it's possible even for casual players.

exeeter702

Flameheart wrote: »

For advanced raiding like vet MoL and vet SO my guess is that the healer spots there will be reserved for templar healers

And your guess would indeed be wrong.

greylox

A sorc healer / damage spec and a templar tank / healer is a good combo me and my mate run with to 2 man dungeons but when we both join a group his tank uses repentance etc and I do healing etc...best of both worlds

Thraben

Because the discussion has possibly been somewhat onesided:

If you do PvP, you gain access to 2 extremely powerful additions for sorc healers:

Barrier and vigor.

Barrier ist your main healer ultimate, even more so because it profits from your natural CP- point distribution.

In advanced PvP raids, even sorcs use the stamina heal "vigor" because it simply outperforms "mutagen" by a far margin and, more importantly, is dirt cheap, saving you from magika drain problems.

If you center your healing around these three skills (and the matriarch), you should:

1) wear a medium armor healing set and weapon damage enchantments for maximizing vigor.
2) maximize your magika for twilight healing
3) work on your ultimate generation so barrier is practically free at every encounter.

SolarCat02

exeeter702 wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

For advanced raiding like vet MoL and vet SO my guess is that the healer spots there will be reserved for templar healers

And your guess would indeed be wrong.

Depends on the group. I was running Trials with a group but was told if I wanted to do veteran mode I would need to switch my dragonknight healer to dps instead because I was not a templar. But not every group is like that.

For the record, that group is anti-BoL for Trials, as well, and only interested in the stamina from the templars.