New Sorc shields after playing a few hours.

bardx86

I tried to go in with an open mind thinking that it wouldn't be that bad. It's a pretty hard play style now. It's not just during combat thats an issue it's the massive amounts of stuns and CC. The wards are just to short to deal. With the damage mitigation and heals of other classes I'm not sure how this is even close to being balance.

Vaoh

@bardx86 It's not balanced.

However, most players are caught up playing Nightblades in PvP atm and could care less if Sorcerer is an utter mess of a class. As the game stands, Sorc is legitimately the worst/least fun/unbalanced class and it's sad (especially PvE-wise).

The culmination of nerfs and pigeonhole changes laid on Sorcerers overtime has been covered up by the ability of Magicka Sorcs in PvP to stack shields effectively. They were also good at solo play in vMA due to them being a ranged Magicka DPS spamming Overload.

Stam Sorcs altogether sucked terribly compared to the other three Stam specs but this was overlooked due to Conjured Ward. Magicka Sorcs were only good if using one of a couple builds but this was also overlooked again thanks to Conjured Ward.

With the nerf to Conjured Ward, the reliance Magicka Sorcs had on them is much more noticeable.

It's not that if you pick a Sorc you are doomed. You can still put out fine DPS, Tank, and even Heal. A good player can accomplish this. It is just much easier, more fun, and more effective to choose the other three classes for all three of these roles.

ToRelax

That other classes have access to basically the same, just without stacking two of these shields, is what I do not find balanced. For PvP, the wards are still fine, just need some time to adjust. However, they do require you to slot at least one on your "offensive" bar most likely, which just isn't for everyone.
And that is only for PvP, of course.

incite

This coming from sorc playing only pvp, its ***, because of all the whiners who thought "shieldstacking" (as negative as it sounds) is op, they nerfed it bigtime now so it isnt even reliable to keep 2 shields up, magicka drains too fast doing this, people who actually KNOW how to play their char and counter the ability of sorcs shield can go right through them with good timed attacks and stuns, it really isnt that hard, too bad all i read on these forums 95% of the time, are only players who come across a good sorc, cant get him below 90% health cause they lack skill and exp, and go whine that its all op, ive duelled many different players all diff classes who are more than capable to burn sorcs down ( and im not talking about that idiotic set called sb), whats the diff? These players actually worked at their build so that shields arent an issue, instead of crying on forums that a group of 5 lowbies couldnt wipe a sorc cause shields are op. Im done, rant out

NBrookus

Before, there was some skill and knowledge required at getting through a sorc's shields, just like you have to have some skill and different strategies for getting through other class defenses. I can't think of any other class that has repeatedly told people on this forum exactly how to kill them they way sorcs have.

Now with the duration nerf, any zergling can CC a sorc to death by accident.

My sorc is shelved for the duration. On the upside, she's really fast at farming nodes.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

NBrookus wrote: »

Before, there was some skill and knowledge required at getting through a sorc's shields, just like you have to have some skill and different strategies for getting through other class defenses. I can't think of any other class that has repeatedly told people on this forum exactly how to kill them they way sorcs have.

Now with the duration nerf, any zergling can CC a sorc to death by accident.

My sorc is shelved for the duration. On the upside, she's really fast at farming nodes.

Not to mention the correct class/build, it was impossible to break the shields if both players were in the same skill level.

Rohamad_Ali

I haven't even logged in mine yet because I'm not looking forward to it . I hate spamming defense to stay in a fight . I'll probably PvE a lot first to get reacquainted .

Zouni

To be honest I feel for the sorcs on this issue. They should of left it alone. My main is a stam NB and with some timing and gear I could get through those shileds like nothing. Much easier pickings now...

DHale

I said in another post I retired my sorc now I actually have to spam shields. It is/was too much work. The increase in the cost of spells by roughly 10.8 percent. The increase in break free and dodge roll there are much better classes now. I am going to make her my crafter she is great at farming nodes. Maybe one day... Maybe.

Defilted

Agreed they are extremely awesome node farmers!








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Waffennacht

Ummm uh oh I just realized something...

The VAST majority of console players do NOT use or visit the forum,

Meaning they have NO IDEA that what's coming. After seeing countless negative feedback regarding the issue, my feelings are this is from a player community mostly aware and informed and ready about such changes.

I will admit, the Xbox community especially, is nowhere near the ... how do I say it... no where near informed or as good (fine I said it) as the PC community.

They are going to flip! They are ill prepared and even more less able to adopt for such changes.

It's gonna be bad...

NBrookus

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Before, there was some skill and knowledge required at getting through a sorc's shields, just like you have to have some skill and different strategies for getting through other class defenses. I can't think of any other class that has repeatedly told people on this forum exactly how to kill them they way sorcs have.

Now with the duration nerf, any zergling can CC a sorc to death by accident.

My sorc is shelved for the duration. On the upside, she's really fast at farming nodes.

Not to mention the correct class/build, it was impossible to break the shields if both players were in the same skill level.

If two players of equal skill can't kill each other unless someone makes a mistake, isn't that a GOOD thing?

I think a much better solution would have been a Major/Minor Shield system. Like:
Hardened Ward - major
Healing Ward - minor
Sun Shield - major
Harness Magicka - major
Igneous Shield - minor
Brawler damage shield - minor
etc.

Bramir

I actually dropped ward from my bars last night for a few fights. Did not go so well...but it didn't go so well with it either.

I also just realized something...is the post-nerf heal from surge also being hit with the PvP reduction to healing, so it heals like 1500 health if you attack someone AND get a crit? Seriously? Starting to wonder if the crappy HoT from the mages guild tree is better, since it also gives the power boost and doesn't rely on getting a crit...

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

I don't mind changing the meta to require a shield on our front bar.

But I DO kind of agree with the sentiment that a 6-second duration might be overkill. I personally think they should experiment with 8-second shields on the PTS and go from there.

I use Crippling Grasp on my Stamblade, and 8 seconds seems to be a good duration that's not overdone. It's short enough to make me think rotationally, but not so long I can fire and forget.

I think shields would benefit from the same kind of mindset.

Reevster

Thats too bad...maybe now you will actually have to think about some defensive gear instead of all Spell Power and Max magic only, sort of like the other classes have to do.... hmmm ya too bad...

RoyalPink06

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ummm uh oh I just realized something...

The VAST majority of console players do NOT use or visit the forum,

Meaning they have NO IDEA that what's coming. After seeing countless negative feedback regarding the issue, my feelings are this is from a player community mostly aware and informed and ready about such changes.

I will admit, the Xbox community especially, is nowhere near the ... how do I say it... no where near informed or as good (fine I said it) as the PC community.

They are going to flip! They are ill prepared and even more less able to adopt for such changes.

It's gonna be bad...

not entirely true can't speak for everyone of course, but I play on PS4 and I surf the forums all the time, like many times a day, and contribute where I can. I check the PC patch notes to get an idea of what to expect on console, cuz usually its like Christmas morning for me I just can't wait to find out what new stuff is coming lol.

However, NOT stoked about all these changes this patch....hoping DB is cool at least. I am preparing to retire my sorc She was too beautiful for this world anyway.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Waffennacht wrote: »

The VAST majority of console players do NOT use or visit the forum,

There are some of us who do use them. I was going to let folks know about the changes via our voice chat. However, since its been freshly put on the PC server, I have been waiting for the PC folks to voice their thoughts about it so I can help provide more insight as to what would be in their best interest.

bardx86

Reevster wrote: »

Thats too bad...maybe now you will actually have to think about some defensive gear instead of all Spell Power and Max magic only, sort of like the other classes have to do.... hmmm ya too bad...

Even if we stack all spell power and max magic we still have the lowest dps. Do you even play this game?

SolarCat02

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ummm uh oh I just realized something...

The VAST majority of console players do NOT use or visit the forum,

Meaning they have NO IDEA that what's coming. After seeing countless negative feedback regarding the issue, my feelings are this is from a player community mostly aware and informed and ready about such changes.

I will admit, the Xbox community especially, is nowhere near the ... how do I say it... no where near informed or as good (fine I said it) as the PC community.

They are going to flip! They are ill prepared and even more less able to adopt for such changes.

It's gonna be bad...

Speaking as an Xbox player...

The DPS in our guild has (by chance) chosen two primary classes as their mains - stamina nightblade and magicka sorcerer.

Those with sorcerers have been grinding alts in preparation for the updates, and pulling out the sorcerers only for obtaining gear that will be needed for the new characters. We have been helping as much as we can and they want in preparation for this. Lots of dragonknights and templars being leveled right now.

We read the forums, do our research, and communicate to the rest of the guild, especially those most impacted by the changes. I will admit that I am concerned about those who are currently unaware of the changes, since the focus in the game seems to be on the veteran rank removals, not the game "rebalancing" changes.

I am not arguing against the removal of the sorcerers' shields... I just wish they were getting something in return to help their survivability, but they don't even get a cost reduction to go with the reduced duration.

Reevster

bardx86 wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

Thats too bad...maybe now you will actually have to think about some defensive gear instead of all Spell Power and Max magic only, sort of like the other classes have to do.... hmmm ya too bad...

Even if we stack all spell power and max magic we still have the lowest dps. Do you even play this game?

Yep, I have VR16 in all classes, er well CP 160 or whatever it is now.

shauny.gibbsb16_ESO

My Sorc is now a Specialist Node Hunter, I always felt a little OP in PvP, sonething needed to change but as usual a hammer was used instead of a screwdriver.

My appologies to the PvE crowd, I can only imagine your frustrations after the changes.

tist

Maintaining our shields is not a problem when being attacked because most of the time you will refresh the shield more often than 6 seconds anyway. The problem is we need to keep a ward up to avoid being 1 shot by stamina these days. I am not joking, stamina damage is insane.. Why should I be forced to hit a button every 6 seconds when just running around to avoid getting recked.. not to mention the mana issues. Eric Wrobel said the nerf was so that sorcs should decide when they want to defensive and offensive.. What about abilities like cloak, an ability that also can be used offensively or defensively. Just seems like a really weird change to me and makes the class really annoying to play in both pvp and pve.

Vangy

tist wrote: »

Maintaining our shields is not a problem when being attacked because most of the time you will refresh the shield more often than 6 seconds anyway. The problem is we need to keep a ward up to avoid being 1 shot by stamina these days. I am not joking, stamina damage is insane.. Why should I be forced to hit a button every 6 seconds when just running around to avoid getting recked.. not to mention the mana issues. Eric Wrobel said the nerf was so that sorcs should decide when they want to defensive and offensive.. What about abilities like cloak, an ability that also can be used offensively or defensively. Just seems like a really weird change to me and makes the class really annoying to play in both pvp and pve.

Not just stamina damage... ALL Damage is insane in wrobels instagib meta... Im running a tanky build SNB with 30k+ resistances, 3x block cost reduction enchants, defensive posture with 2.5k impen... Even for me, drop block = death in about 2 seconds..... Damage needs an all round NERF. Penetration too.. The new sharpened with maces is RIDONCULOUS....

Wreuntzylla

Sharpened + maces. Anything else to learn from this patch?

Lylith

tist wrote: »

Maintaining our shields is not a problem when being attacked because most of the time you will refresh the shield more often than 6 seconds anyway. The problem is we need to keep a ward up to avoid being 1 shot by stamina these days. I am not joking, stamina damage is insane.. Why should I be forced to hit a button every 6 seconds when just running around to avoid getting recked.. not to mention the mana issues. Eric Wrobel said the nerf was so that sorcs should decide when they want to defensive and offensive.. What about abilities like cloak, an ability that also can be used offensively or defensively. Just seems like a really weird change to me and makes the class really annoying to play in both pvp and pve.

seeing this quite a lot, lately, and it's not in a positive way.

every dlc seems to create more problems than it solves, balance-wise, while so many 'fixes' are applied to elements of the game that were never broken.

tbh, it's kind of disheartening. i haven't even logged onto either of my magicka sorcs since db dropped.

Jsmalls

@Waffennacht
Xbone representing, Yeah only the "elitist" keep an eye on the forums but we do our best to spread the word. That being said I've changed to Empowered Ward in PvP, and im getting comfortable with it, from the sounds of it using harness then empowered will grant you strong enough shields that'll let you go on the offensive for a good amount of time. Its ashame though everyone complains about shield stacking and all Wrobel did was push us into shield stacking even more and made it "more effective" (I used to only use hardened now I'll be slotting harness). That being said I'm in the process of leveling one of each class because of "balancing issues like these".

@Reevster
Unless you are a tank/healer in PvP the current Meta is to stack Damage and resource pools for ALL classes, not just Sorcs. Healing scales with the same pools and stats our damage scales off. It's that way with vigor, rally, BoL, Healing ward, annulment, and the list goes on. Stack enough recovery to sustain, then you pool every else into damage (minus blessed and quick recovery placement). So tell me again all the things you're giving up being the other classes please, because it sounds like a l2p issue if you're using all these "defensive sets" in PvP.

Derra

ToRelax wrote: »

That other classes have access to basically the same, just without stacking two of these shields, is what I do not find balanced. For PvP, the wards are still fine, just need some time to adjust. However, they do require you to slot at least one on your "offensive" bar most likely, which just isn't for everyone.
And that is only for PvP, of course.

Exact reason why i left the game for good.

I had an awesome build with 3 destro staff abilities which worked like a charm for me personally (and i´ve not seen anyone run something similar). Can´t play it anymore because i´m now forced to use ward on mainbar. Thx for nothing. Hopefully never to see the name wrobel in any game again.

Cinnamon_Spider

Sorcerer is as good as dead right now. As if the excessive bolt escape nerfs weren't enough. As if the surge nerf wasn't enough. As if the double reflect nerf wasn't enough. Now shields expire before you can start to even fight.

It is complete and utter nonsense just to cater to the endless whining over the past two years.

Jaronking

NBrookus wrote: »

Before, there was some skill and knowledge required at getting through a sorc's shields, just like you have to have some skill and different strategies for getting through other class defenses. I can't think of any other class that has repeatedly told people on this forum exactly how to kill them they way sorcs have.

Now with the duration nerf, any zergling can CC a sorc to death by accident.

My sorc is shelved for the duration. On the upside, she's really fast at farming nodes.

This isn't true NB have you beat by at least 4,000 post it a dam thread about NB cloak being OP every dam day.People tell them how to counter and kill a NB every time that most NB are tired of telling them.I wished ZOS would just combine all NB cloak threads into one so we all can ignore them easier.

Jaronking

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ummm uh oh I just realized something...

The VAST majority of console players do NOT use or visit the forum,

Meaning they have NO IDEA that what's coming. After seeing countless negative feedback regarding the issue, my feelings are this is from a player community mostly aware and informed and ready about such changes.

I will admit, the Xbox community especially, is nowhere near the ... how do I say it... no where near informed or as good (fine I said it) as the PC community.

They are going to flip! They are ill prepared and even more less able to adopt for such changes.

It's gonna be bad...

Personally am looking forward to slaying all the Sorcs who don't know about the change on Xbox for the first 2-3 weeks.You give players to little credit on Xbox will some of them cry and complain sure but most will switch classes while the Good one such as yourself will stay and make it work.

bhlegit

yeah no one plays their sorc anymore. sad really. it was my main once.