Very Serious Question. Nightblade to Others,

Idinuse

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Played most of Eso as a sorc and when I finally made a NB I could honestly say it's the most broken class in the game currently.

++ What Derra said

Yep, tried mag NB, and as someone put it "I could have my cat walk over my keyboard and faceroll compared to my Templar".

OdinForge

Alferino wrote: »

Stamblades hitting 10k supprise attacks

Balanced...

Show me a NB hitting 10K on a player, and I'll show you a dead NB with questionable sustain and no defense.

*** like this man, NB is like the mythical boogieman to people, it's insane.

acw37162

Have a vet 12 Nightblade that was my first toon.

After seeing the NB's play in Cyrodil she became my crafter and I seldom play her.

I really dislike NB play.

Then again I really dislike sorc play to.

Both classes have amazing survivability and insane mobility. If all they had was the mobility I would be ok with it.

Both NB's and sorcs can join any fight and run away whenever they want as long as they are paying attention.

Both Templars and Dragon Nights are so slow and Templars in this patch have nothing that causes fear in anyone. Dragon Nights have Leap that you have to respect.

In particular stamina Templars have next to nothing.

Just can't stand NB's right now in particular NB gank squads that just sit together and spam ambush on the same target, it's not even considered a snare so you can't get out of it.

Not to mention the whole lack on a line sight check of Ambush, I mean hell why even require a target if an enemy is your general vicinity just push the button and smack him, place you shade where you started and teleport back and forth without ever having to actually show up at the fight at all.

terrasight

Can anyone tell me where this "nightblade-god-mode-like-button" is you all talking about?

In cyrodiil i kill & get killed... so what...

Brrrofski

SeventhCelestial wrote: »

For those who really hate Nightblades, and say they are broken: Have you ever played one?

This isn't meant to be like an extra salty type of question. This is just what I want to know. A few of the people I know and hate NB's have never played one, but want to say we are broken as a class. Why?

I have stam and magica of every class at vet except mag dk (pre vet)

When I look at both magica and stam combined. NB wins.

When I look at stam alone, nb narrowly edges out Dk.

When I look at magica alone, sorc has it. Honestly though, take harness magica stacking with ward away and I'm not sure it still would be. Magica NB would probably be ahead is magica users didn't have such a hard time against sorcs.

NBs aren't broken but are ahead. Stam nb, magica sorc, stam Dk and magica NB make the current pvp top 4 imo, from playing with and playing against.

Lava_Croft

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It would help the game a lot more if people would just be honest and admit that Nightblades now are the Dragon Knights of 2014. There's a reason all the tryhards and scrubs run Nightblades these days.

Only if they're played by decent skilled players.

Most NBs die so easily that I get the "kill 20 Enemy Nightblades" quest almost as fast as kill enemy players.

That's probably more because of the sheer amount of Nightblades than anything else. Back when Dragon Knights were OP as *** the Kill DK quest was still the second fastest to complete after the regular Kill 20 Players one.

Master_Kas

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It would help the game a lot more if people would just be honest and admit that Nightblades now are the Dragon Knights of 2014. There's a reason all the tryhards and scrubs run Nightblades these days.

Most common Class yes no doubt.

But in no way close to the Old dks. Facetanking groups and mowing through them with banners/bats , whips talons killing all the scrubs.

Lava_Croft

Master_Kas wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

It would help the game a lot more if people would just be honest and admit that Nightblades now are the Dragon Knights of 2014. There's a reason all the tryhards and scrubs run Nightblades these days.

Most common Class yes no doubt.

But in no way close to the Old dks. Facetanking groups and mowing through them with banners/bats , whips talons killing all the scrubs.

The only proof one needs is the sheer amount of them. It's obvious they are different classes than the DK's of yore which were OP on a level that no class can currently touch.

revonine

TheBull wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I have two nightblades.

I dislike them even more since I´ve played them both in pve and pvp (stam and mag).

Cloak + Shade is undoubtly the strongest ability combination in the game. Also the only real counter to cloak is a NB specific skill (pots never were an issue when i´ve played mine).

Seriously?

It is really powerful, but all it takes is one person camping my shade and I'm screwed. People don't think to do that though so I profit.

Lava_Croft

revonine wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I have two nightblades.

I dislike them even more since I´ve played them both in pve and pvp (stam and mag).

Cloak + Shade is undoubtly the strongest ability combination in the game. Also the only real counter to cloak is a NB specific skill (pots never were an issue when i´ve played mine).

Seriously?

It is really powerful, but all it takes is one person camping my shade and I'm screwed. People don't think to do that though so I profit.

Not to mention there's quite a few targeted AoE skills that in the hands of a skilled player will make Cloaking Nightblades cry.

mr_wazzabi

Derra wrote: »

I have two nightblades.

I dislike them even more since I´ve played them both in pve and pvp (stam and mag).

Cloak + Shade is undoubtly the strongest ability combination in the game. Also the only real counter to cloak is a NB specific skill (pots never were an issue when i´ve played mine).

Bombard

Witar

Have magblade. Easymod compared to my dk.
Stamblade will be even more powerfull i think.

KundaliniHero

Nightblades OP?
I would say the class that can tank loads of damage behind an anti-critable shield while dropping lethal 10-14k instant cast CF's and darts around the battlefield faster than the blink of an eye, all while wearing a bath robe would be a better candidate. Seriously though instead of nerfing NB'S and/or Sorcs they need to buff Templars and DK's making them more in line and competitive.

Nightblades are easy to counter and most are extremely predictable. The thing with NB's though is if they catch you with your pants down your done, I think thats how they were intended to perform. The only adjustments I think that are needed to make them perfect would be to MODIFY AMBUSH SO THAT IT HAS A MINIMUM DISTANCE LIKE EVERY OTHER GAP CLOSER IN THE GAME. They also need to MODIFY GAP CLOSERS SO THAT THE SNARE IS WORKING PROPERLY AND DOESNT STUN. And lastly they need to [snip] FIX CAMO HUNTER! Outside of that I think NB's are fine.

There is nothing easy about achieving balance but a good start is to have a competent team of play testers who are PVP focused something which I think ZOS lacks. It would really benefit ZOS to look at recruiting the top ESO PVP players to assist them in achieving this balance rather than pandering to the b*tching and moaning of the forums.

[Edit: Partial censor bypass removed]

joe.smith21b14_ESO

So much salt on this forum

Feisty_Khajiit128

But Nb's are so fun to play, yes they are imbalanced, but who doesn't like doing like 22k burst damage right out of stealth?

Feisty_Khajiit128

KundaliniHero wrote: »

Nightblades OP?
I would say the class that can tank loads of damage behind an anti-critable shield while dropping lethal 10-14k instant cast CF's and darts around the battlefield faster than the blink of an eye, all while wearing a bath robe would be a better candidate. Seriously though instead of nerfing NB'S and/or Sorcs they need to buff Templars and DK's making them more in line and competitive.

Nightblades are easy to counter and most are extremely predictable. The thing with NB's though is if they catch you with your pants down your done, I think thats how they were intended to perform. The only adjustments I think that are needed to make them perfect would be to MODIFY AMBUSH SO THAT IT HAS A MINIMUM DISTANCE LIKE EVERY OTHER GAP CLOSER IN THE GAME. They also need to MODIFY GAP CLOSERS SO THAT THE SNARE IS WORKING PROPERLY AND DOESNT STUN. And lastly they need to [snip] FIX CAMO HUNTER! Outside of that I think NB's are fine.

There is nothing easy about achieving balance but a good start is to have a competent team of play testers who are PVP focused something which I think ZOS lacks. It would really benefit ZOS to look at recruiting the top ESO PVP players to assist them in achieving this balance rather than pandering to the b*tching and moaning of the forums.

Yes! Instead of nerfing the crap out of stam Nb's, like what happened to magicka DK, just buff all the other classes! I would love to see Stamplars and Magicka DK become viable.

[Moderator Note: Edited moderated quote]

Therium104

iosis13 wrote: »

I played every class and imo Nightblades are not OP since they are pretty easy to counter with an aoe to bring them out of cloak.
The only class which performs better than it should be are sorcs.
Since there are Sorcs like Legendary Shey and Master Kain, nearly every Smurf on EU Server plays their Build in PvP.
I dont know how many times they 1vX'ed our team of fully geared v16 charakters (l2p trololol).
These shieldstacking sorcs are way more powerful in endgame than NBs.

The thread is not about Sorcs. If ZOS is serious about balance and the player experience for all classes there is absolutely NO way the NB class will not get nerfed. It is only a matter of time.

Lifecode666

nightblades are not broken at all.
They are easy as hell to kill.

1. ambush should drain more of your juice if you spam it over and over on one target.
2. cloak should drain more juice if you spam it over and over within a certain time frame.

That's it.

Cinnamon_Spider

I've played one and I can say without a doubt that they are the easiest class to pick up. You could do well with a NB even if you are literally missing half of your brain.

It takes absolutely no skill to hit the Ambush button over and over and over. Fear is so broken that you're lucky you don't end up in the ground, even if you can't break it with full stam. They also get to reset all fights just by going invisible.

Sure the bad ones are bad, but those are people that would be easy to kill on any class.

Lava_Croft

Feisty_Khajiit128 wrote: »

But Nb's are so fun to play, yes they are imbalanced, but who doesn't like doing like 22k burst damage right out of stealth?

Don't need to be a Nightblade to pull that off at all, but nice try.

@Cinnamon_Spider: The problem with things like Fear is not the Fear itself, it's the awfully broken CC that we are stuck with since forever.

Derra

revonine wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I have two nightblades.

I dislike them even more since I´ve played them both in pve and pvp (stam and mag).

Cloak + Shade is undoubtly the strongest ability combination in the game. Also the only real counter to cloak is a NB specific skill (pots never were an issue when i´ve played mine).

Seriously?

It is really powerful, but all it takes is one person camping my shade and I'm screwed. People don't think to do that though so I profit.

When that happens you´ve encoutered atleast two enemies of which one uses his brain. Either you can kill the one following you or can´t in which case you´re outmatched anyway and would have died regardless of class...

Jade1986

SeventhCelestial wrote: »

For those who really hate Nightblades, and say they are broken: Have you ever played one?

This isn't meant to be like an extra salty type of question. This is just what I want to know. A few of the people I know and hate NB's have never played one, but want to say we are broken as a class. Why?

Yes, I have played all classes now, and Stam / magicka nightblades are not even easy mode. they are barny the dinosaur playtime braindead easy mode.

Angus

laced wrote: »

SeventhCelestial wrote: »

For those who really hate Nightblades, and say they are broken: Have you ever played one?

This isn't meant to be like an extra salty type of question. This is just what I want to know. A few of the people I know and hate NB's have never played one, but want to say we are broken as a class. Why?

Yes, I have played all classes now, and Stam / magicka nightblades are not even easy mode. they are barny the dinosaur playtime braindead easy mode.

... In specific scenarios. Sort of like how almost every possible build excels in a very OP manner at specific scenarios. For plenty of situations I would rather not have my nightblade.

Jade1986

Angus wrote: »

Witar wrote: »

Have magblade. Easymod compared to my dk.
Stamblade will be even more powerfull i think.

But deep down, your magblade will always

laced wrote: »

SeventhCelestial wrote: »

For those who really hate Nightblades, and say they are broken: Have you ever played one?

This isn't meant to be like an extra salty type of question. This is just what I want to know. A few of the people I know and hate NB's have never played one, but want to say we are broken as a class. Why?

Yes, I have played all classes now, and Stam / magicka nightblades are not even easy mode. they are barny the dinosaur playtime braindead easy mode.

... In specific scenarios. Sort of like how almost every possible build excels in a very OP manner at specific scenarios. For plenty of situations I would rather not have my nightblade.

Youre kidding right? A magicka dk excels in no scenario right now, and nightblades excel in almost all scenarios. They are so easy to it is simply silly.

Angus

laced wrote: »

Angus wrote: »

Witar wrote: »

Have magblade. Easymod compared to my dk.
Stamblade will be even more powerfull i think.

But deep down, your magblade will always

laced wrote: »

SeventhCelestial wrote: »

For those who really hate Nightblades, and say they are broken: Have you ever played one?

This isn't meant to be like an extra salty type of question. This is just what I want to know. A few of the people I know and hate NB's have never played one, but want to say we are broken as a class. Why?

Yes, I have played all classes now, and Stam / magicka nightblades are not even easy mode. they are barny the dinosaur playtime braindead easy mode.

... In specific scenarios. Sort of like how almost every possible build excels in a very OP manner at specific scenarios. For plenty of situations I would rather not have my nightblade.

Youre kidding right? A magicka dk excels in no scenario right now, and nightblades excel in almost all scenarios. They are so easy to it is simply silly.

I actually prefer leading a group / frontlining in a group on my magicka DK over my magicka NB. He can soak up more healing, flap, root enemy groups for the bomb, and is easier for allies to follow.

Granted, I could do something similar with magicka nightblade, but wings, talons, and leap are just too fun.

Jade1986

Angus wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Angus wrote: »

Witar wrote: »

Have magblade. Easymod compared to my dk.
Stamblade will be even more powerfull i think.

But deep down, your magblade will always

laced wrote: »

SeventhCelestial wrote: »

For those who really hate Nightblades, and say they are broken: Have you ever played one?

This isn't meant to be like an extra salty type of question. This is just what I want to know. A few of the people I know and hate NB's have never played one, but want to say we are broken as a class. Why?

Yes, I have played all classes now, and Stam / magicka nightblades are not even easy mode. they are barny the dinosaur playtime braindead easy mode.

... In specific scenarios. Sort of like how almost every possible build excels in a very OP manner at specific scenarios. For plenty of situations I would rather not have my nightblade.

Youre kidding right? A magicka dk excels in no scenario right now, and nightblades excel in almost all scenarios. They are so easy to it is simply silly.

I actually prefer leading a group / frontlining in a group on my magicka DK over my magicka NB. He can soak up more healing, flap, and is easier for allies to follow.

Granted, I could do something similar with magicka nightblade, but wings are just too fun.

Thats the thing, you can pretty much do that PLUS more as a nightblade.Mag Dks are so watered down now, a skilled dk player will almost ALWAYS lose against a skilled anything else player.

Angus

laced wrote: »

Angus wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Angus wrote: »

Witar wrote: »

Have magblade. Easymod compared to my dk.
Stamblade will be even more powerfull i think.

But deep down, your magblade will always

laced wrote: »

SeventhCelestial wrote: »

For those who really hate Nightblades, and say they are broken: Have you ever played one?

This isn't meant to be like an extra salty type of question. This is just what I want to know. A few of the people I know and hate NB's have never played one, but want to say we are broken as a class. Why?

Yes, I have played all classes now, and Stam / magicka nightblades are not even easy mode. they are barny the dinosaur playtime braindead easy mode.

... In specific scenarios. Sort of like how almost every possible build excels in a very OP manner at specific scenarios. For plenty of situations I would rather not have my nightblade.

Youre kidding right? A magicka dk excels in no scenario right now, and nightblades excel in almost all scenarios. They are so easy to it is simply silly.

I actually prefer leading a group / frontlining in a group on my magicka DK over my magicka NB. He can soak up more healing, flap, and is easier for allies to follow.

Granted, I could do something similar with magicka nightblade, but wings are just too fun.

Thats the thing, you can pretty much do that PLUS more as a nightblade.Mag Dks are so watered down now, a skilled dk player will almost ALWAYS lose against a skilled anything else player.

See my edit. I forgot to mention talons.

Plus, I'm clearly not talking about a 1v1 scenario.

MormondPayne_EP

SeventhCelestial wrote: »

For those who really hate Nightblades, and say they are broken: Have you ever played one?

This isn't meant to be like an extra salty type of question. This is just what I want to know. A few of the people I know and hate NB's have never played one, but want to say we are broken as a class. Why?

Yes, after the longest time of playing Sorc and Templar I rerolled an NB and went into PvP... easy mode.

Question back... Have you NB's ever played any other class? because your view of things is seriously skewed.

Didgerion

SeventhCelestial wrote: »

Very Serious Question. Nightblade to Others

Cannot see that question...make sure you are out of cloak and try again.

Cathexis

Nightblades are broken because they have a one button instant 5-10k gap closer with no minimum range and the ability to disappear whenever a fight goes bad which is only countered by alchemy (the only skill I'm the game who's one reliable counter requires both a crafting skill and a potion slot - im not going to get into the usual unexciting debate about the effectiveness of aoes, and besides we all know potions are the best and most realistic option).