Why does everyone hate EP so much?

CatchMeTrolling

Ever since I started playing this game I've noticed that people hate EP with a passion. AD and DC will even team up just so EP can't do anything EVEN when EP has NO keeps they'll focus on EP. It goes as far as just letting the other alliance push for emp without resistance, the other day AD didn't even have their home keeps but was busy attacking EP at Arrius while blue zerged the map.

I completely understand having people you're cool with on other alliances but the whole teaming up against one alliance is corny and ruins the competition because everyone isn't in a all out war like they should be.

You might say EP has a lot of numbers but if we're being honest every alliance has numbers though it doesn't matter if EP does or don't they'll still get sandwiched just because.

dodgehopper_ESO

It cuts both ways. I don't really think its an EP only thing. Every faction has seen the same story as you've said, and felt the same way.

Reverb

Anybody that thinks they are the only ones being "teamed up on" is incredibly narrow minded or self absorbed. In a three faction war, somebody will always feel unfairly targeted.

I can't believe for a second that you've never been in a group that targeted a faction that was being pushed by the other. You've probably even been part of conversations like "blue and yellow are fighting at Ash, it's the perfect time to take Alessia". Its how it works, put your victim card away.

CatchMeTrolling

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

It cuts both ways. I don't really think its an EP only thing. Every faction has seen the same story as you've said, and felt the same way.

I'm sure all alliances have at some point but it happens to EP the most, at least on console. EP doesn't team up with anyone because well...we're busy getting tagged teamed by the green alliance.

CatchMeTrolling

Reverb wrote: »

Anybody that thinks they are the only ones being "teamed up on" is incredibly narrow minded or self absorbed. In a three faction war, somebody will always feel unfairly targeted.

I can't believe for a second that you've never been in a group that targeted a faction that was being pushed by the other. You've probably even been part of conversations like "blue and yellow are fighting at Ash, it's the perfect time to take Alessia". Its how it works, put your victim card away.

Or it's from experience? And when did I say only? Hmm...its very clear that we're being teamed up against you ever think of that? Especially when we're constantly asking each other "Why are they even over here? "

It's no victim card, they do it on purpose.

Turelus

*looks at OP's name*

Not sure if should take thread seriously now... although answers are already given.

vamp_emily

PC N/A BwB

I am not sure if it was Friday night or Saturday night this week but EP had all our keeps. The Emp was camping out at our gate ganking everyone coming thru.

I have no love for EP.

CatchMeTrolling

vamp_emily wrote: »

PC N/A BwB

I am not sure if it was Friday night or Saturday night this week but EP had all our keeps. The Emp was camping out at our gate ganking everyone coming thru.

I have no love for EP.

Well that's what happens when you get pushed back to your gate and that's the thing most just generally hate EP. And are you AD? If so that would make sense

Reverb

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

PC N/A BwB

I am not sure if it was Friday night or Saturday night this week but EP had all our keeps. The Emp was camping out at our gate ganking everyone coming thru.

I have no love for EP.

Well that's what happens when you get pushed back to your gate and that's the thing most just generally hate EP. And are you AD? If so that would make sense

Are you seriously trying to justify gate camping?

CatchMeTrolling

Reverb wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

PC N/A BwB

I am not sure if it was Friday night or Saturday night this week but EP had all our keeps. The Emp was camping out at our gate ganking everyone coming thru.

I have no love for EP.

Well that's what happens when you get pushed back to your gate and that's the thing most just generally hate EP. And are you AD? If so that would make sense

Are you seriously trying to justify gate camping?

Not justifying but if you're at your gate what do you expect to happen? You either push out or continue to get camped

Jade1986

EP is where most of the skyrim hipsters go, that's why I don't like them. Plus the amount of nightblades in EP is just ridiculous.

LokoMatic

EP = AP
Good Organized AD = Happy
Unorganized AD = Sad

zornyan

Generally because every time I see reds ( and mostly yellows) it's a massive zerg, lost count of the times I've been in the sewers far into DC territory and a massive group comes through.

The thing that gets me is, their not doing it for stones etc, as when I've had a brief look at their side it's empty, they purely zerg up and come trolling through to DC side of sewers just to be massive trolls.

Oh and reds are inbreds....don't marry your cousins!

CatchMeTrolling

zornyan wrote: »

Generally because every time I see reds ( and mostly yellows) it's a massive zerg, lost count of the times I've been in the sewers far into DC territory and a massive group comes through.

The thing that gets me is, their not doing it for stones etc, as when I've had a brief look at their side it's empty, they purely zerg up and come trolling through to DC side of sewers just to be massive trolls.

Oh and reds are inbreds....don't marry your cousins!

The sewers is a ghost town, it was your imagination. And at least we don't mate with Orcs.

Jaronking

Because EP outnumber both alliances combine almost so yes we have to push you guys at the same time so we don't have the entire EP faction Fighting us at 1 keep.You can fight on top Fronts with ease why the other two factions can't. For example you can hold Blue Road for ever.I seen it happen EP held that Keep all night mainly because they had the entire faction in their and would lag crash us all.Really EP isn't good they just have numbers that's why I hate them.

Side note:EP is really easy way to farm AP off of.

zornyan

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Generally because every time I see reds ( and mostly yellows) it's a massive zerg, lost count of the times I've been in the sewers far into DC territory and a massive group comes through.

The thing that gets me is, their not doing it for stones etc, as when I've had a brief look at their side it's empty, they purely zerg up and come trolling through to DC side of sewers just to be massive trolls.

Oh and reds are inbreds....don't marry your cousins!

The sewers is a ghost town, it was your imagination. And at least we don't mate with Orcs.

The point is reds just seem like childish morons, the players we fight 1v1 generally have a massive lack of skill, infact I got a video of me 1v5 and winning multiple times the other night, every single red I meet seems to be just some zerg that spams steel tornado.

But it gets demoralizing, we spent an entire day (about 12 hours) fighting the reds on a outnumbered basis, about 12 of us took a group and we're fighting at keep after keep and winning even when outnumbered 2 to 1.

But after that? Massive red zerg of death, literally had them pouring in from every angle constantly, it turned into 20 to 1 and it just seems pathetic that they only ever win by numbers not skill.

Olen_Mikko

Zergballing, lagsploiting, skyrim fanboys.

I have never, i mean never seen reds managing to do anything without massive outnumbering.

I have seen many DC players capping keeps duo or with small groups against defenders.

I have seen AD managing to do roughly the same.

Olen_Mikko

laced wrote: »

EP is where most of the skyrim hipsters go, that's why I don't like them. Plus the amount of nightblades in EP is just ridiculous.

Well, gloryhunting at it's finest.

zornyan

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Zergballing, lagsploiting, skyrim fanboys.

I have never, i mean never seen reds managing to do anything without massive outnumbering.

I have seen many DC players capping keeps duo or with small groups against defenders.

I have seen AD managing to do roughly the same.

This, we've had 30+ players camping our sewer entance, and beaten them back with 7 or 8 of us plenty of times, what happens then? 50 come back! and it keeps happening until they have an entire army sat there just to kill a handful of blues.

Jade1986

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

laced wrote: »

EP is where most of the skyrim hipsters go, that's why I don't like them. Plus the amount of nightblades in EP is just ridiculous.

Well, gloryhunting at it's finest.

If only there was some way to forge temporary alliances between DC and AD to fight off the savages of EP .

Olen_Mikko

zornyan wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Zergballing, lagsploiting, skyrim fanboys.

I have never, i mean never seen reds managing to do anything without massive outnumbering.

I have seen many DC players capping keeps duo or with small groups against defenders.

I have seen AD managing to do roughly the same.

This, we've had 30+ players camping our sewer entance, and beaten them back with 7 or 8 of us plenty of times, what happens then? 50 come back! and it keeps happening until they have an entire army sat there just to kill a handful of blues.

That my friend, is a perfect description how EP handles defeats.

Olen_Mikko

laced wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

laced wrote: »

EP is where most of the skyrim hipsters go, that's why I don't like them. Plus the amount of nightblades in EP is just ridiculous.

Well, gloryhunting at it's finest.

If only there was some way to forge temporary alliances between DC and AD to fight off the savages of EP .

Couldn't agree more

Springt-Über-Zwerge

zornyan wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Generally because every time I see reds ( and mostly yellows) it's a massive zerg, lost count of the times I've been in the sewers far into DC territory and a massive group comes through.

The thing that gets me is, their not doing it for stones etc, as when I've had a brief look at their side it's empty, they purely zerg up and come trolling through to DC side of sewers just to be massive trolls.

Oh and reds are inbreds....don't marry your cousins!

The sewers is a ghost town, it was your imagination. And at least we don't mate with Orcs.

The point is reds just seem like childish morons, the players we fight 1v1 generally have a massive lack of skill, infact I got a video of me 1v5 and winning multiple times the other night, every single red I meet seems to be just some zerg that spams steel tornado.

But it gets demoralizing, we spent an entire day (about 12 hours) fighting the reds on a outnumbered basis, about 12 of us took a group and we're fighting at keep after keep and winning even when outnumbered 2 to 1.

But after that? Massive red zerg of death, literally had them pouring in from every angle constantly, it turned into 20 to 1 and it just seems pathetic that they only ever win by numbers not skill.

Then maybe you are fighting the wrong players but dont call other players childish morons just cause a few of them cant play. I mean I dont call DC morons just because exile are. Those zergs do exist on the other sides too thats nothing EP specific.
I guess you are a solo player just like me so you avoid your own zergs and try to find smallscale pvp thats why you think only ep has those massive zergs. Thats just plain wrong.

So what that happens. Same thing happened to me yesterday we had a zerg dc had one. we won the whole map and our players then elsewhere to pve or off. Suddenly dc outnumbered us by far but they never attacked unless it was at least 3v1 thats no skill too thats just outnumbered.
See I can complain about the same thing everyone does it as soon as they have the numbers that has nothing to do with EP and insulting us therefor is just idk Id call it childish but i dont want to insult you back.

Morostyle

EP has the biggest zergs...
+ on nonvet EU - EP abuse leap with AD spy's to take scrolls... sad sad

zornyan

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Generally because every time I see reds ( and mostly yellows) it's a massive zerg, lost count of the times I've been in the sewers far into DC territory and a massive group comes through.

The thing that gets me is, their not doing it for stones etc, as when I've had a brief look at their side it's empty, they purely zerg up and come trolling through to DC side of sewers just to be massive trolls.

Oh and reds are inbreds....don't marry your cousins!

The sewers is a ghost town, it was your imagination. And at least we don't mate with Orcs.

The point is reds just seem like childish morons, the players we fight 1v1 generally have a massive lack of skill, infact I got a video of me 1v5 and winning multiple times the other night, every single red I meet seems to be just some zerg that spams steel tornado.

But it gets demoralizing, we spent an entire day (about 12 hours) fighting the reds on a outnumbered basis, about 12 of us took a group and we're fighting at keep after keep and winning even when outnumbered 2 to 1.

But after that? Massive red zerg of death, literally had them pouring in from every angle constantly, it turned into 20 to 1 and it just seems pathetic that they only ever win by numbers not skill.

Then maybe you are fighting the wrong players but dont call other players childish morons just cause a few of them cant play. I mean I dont call DC morons just because exile are. Those zergs do exist on the other sides too thats nothing EP specific.
I guess you are a solo player just like me so you avoid your own zergs and try to find smallscale pvp thats why you think only ep has those massive zergs. Thats just plain wrong.

So what that happens. Same thing happened to me yesterday we had a zerg dc had one. we won the whole map and our players then elsewhere to pve or off. Suddenly dc outnumbered us by far but they never attacked unless it was at least 3v1 thats no skill too thats just outnumbered.
See I can complain about the same thing everyone does it as soon as they have the numbers that has nothing to do with EP and insulting us therefor is just idk Id call it childish but i dont want to insult you back.

Yeah a blue zerg bigger than a red one ....lol I needed a good laugh.

I play at all times throughout the day, reds have a constant 3 bars across 3 servers, you can't go near a red keep without 50+ players storming out from nowhere, I really do my best to find 1v1 or 1vx , but I only ever find AD to do that with, as I never see reds go less than groups of 6 anymore.

Also reds are the worst campers ever, I've lost count the sheer amount of times I've logged into cyro and there's been 30+ reds sitting out southern high rock, WITH an emperor....camping out like 2 players...

bikerangelo

There is such a thing as "Team Green."

In almost every server, EP always has to zerg. There are talented players in EP, but for the most part they constantly answer every riff in their defense with a group of 30+. I'm not saying other alliances don't do the same, but EP is infamous for this, primarily because when AD started losing players, those other players went to EP. That's why Black Water Blade (nonvet) was pretty much solid red for a couple weeks in October and into mid November because the recent AD converts were grinding up their new EP toons and they had a massive amount of numbers. I've met several people who came from EP to DC because they were tired of the arrogant *** who were power tripping over their massive pug armies.

It's the same in the vet servers as well. You'll see 10 EP trying to defend a keep by setting up 1 siege while everyone else has 2 second duels from the wall with other players on the ground, then all of a sudden a sea of red comes around the side of the keep and it's game over for a skilled group of 10 guys. I was capping resources with a tank buddy of mine in one of their back keeps, and while EP was sieging 2 other keeps on the map, 15 of them found the time to retake the resources we were attacking.

The problem isn't that EP zergs, the problem is that EP is rewarded for being overpopulated with pugs, along with the fact that larger groups are unfairly rewarded for utilizing less skill. Numbers mechanically win every battle with minimally coordinated effort, not to say that a skilled smaller group can't do significant damage to a slightly larger group, but when game mechanics limit that smaller group from being effective and reward the larger group for literally having more people, that's a fundamental developer error.

zornyan

As above, when scourge got released on console blues finally started winning a map, considering reds had two buff campaigns with a full 3 red bars all the time, things were going well, we held off against greater numbers, we held the maps and scrolls....

Then one day, 3 red bars come up, zerg, zerg zerg zerg zerg everywhere, whole map red in a day. Since there when there's a single ha of blues, there's 3 of reds, and they just camp everywhere possible.

Now the blues have gone

Kutsuu

It's simple. Red is dead. EP pulled the wrong color!

Jaronking

zornyan wrote: »

As above, when scourge got released on console blues finally started winning a map, considering reds had two buff campaigns with a full 3 red bars all the time, things were going well, we held off against greater numbers, we held the maps and scrolls....

Then one day, 3 red bars come up, zerg, zerg zerg zerg zerg everywhere, whole map red in a day. Since there when there's a single ha of blues, there's 3 of reds, and they just camp everywhere possible.

Now the blues have gone

What do you mean on Xbox DC was winning Haderus for a long time and we only usually had 2 bars while everyone else had 3.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

zornyan wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Generally because every time I see reds ( and mostly yellows) it's a massive zerg, lost count of the times I've been in the sewers far into DC territory and a massive group comes through.

The thing that gets me is, their not doing it for stones etc, as when I've had a brief look at their side it's empty, they purely zerg up and come trolling through to DC side of sewers just to be massive trolls.

Oh and reds are inbreds....don't marry your cousins!

The sewers is a ghost town, it was your imagination. And at least we don't mate with Orcs.

The point is reds just seem like childish morons, the players we fight 1v1 generally have a massive lack of skill, infact I got a video of me 1v5 and winning multiple times the other night, every single red I meet seems to be just some zerg that spams steel tornado.

But it gets demoralizing, we spent an entire day (about 12 hours) fighting the reds on a outnumbered basis, about 12 of us took a group and we're fighting at keep after keep and winning even when outnumbered 2 to 1.

But after that? Massive red zerg of death, literally had them pouring in from every angle constantly, it turned into 20 to 1 and it just seems pathetic that they only ever win by numbers not skill.

Then maybe you are fighting the wrong players but dont call other players childish morons just cause a few of them cant play. I mean I dont call DC morons just because exile are. Those zergs do exist on the other sides too thats nothing EP specific.
I guess you are a solo player just like me so you avoid your own zergs and try to find smallscale pvp thats why you think only ep has those massive zergs. Thats just plain wrong.

So what that happens. Same thing happened to me yesterday we had a zerg dc had one. we won the whole map and our players then elsewhere to pve or off. Suddenly dc outnumbered us by far but they never attacked unless it was at least 3v1 thats no skill too thats just outnumbered.
See I can complain about the same thing everyone does it as soon as they have the numbers that has nothing to do with EP and insulting us therefor is just idk Id call it childish but i dont want to insult you back.

Yeah a blue zerg bigger than a red one ....lol I needed a good laugh.

I play at all times throughout the day, reds have a constant 3 bars across 3 servers, you can't go near a red keep without 50+ players storming out from nowhere, I really do my best to find 1v1 or 1vx , but I only ever find AD to do that with, as I never see reds go less than groups of 6 anymore.

Also reds are the worst campers ever, I've lost count the sheer amount of times I've logged into cyro and there's been 30+ reds sitting out southern high rock, WITH an emperor....camping out like 2 players...

Im sry but thats your impression because you are on the other side EP might have more people but what does it matter when the population capss for campaigns areso small? Just go onto a campaign where your alliance has high numbers too. I play on Azuras EU and there the numbers of all 3 alliances are pretty even from what ive seen. If Id play on spellbreaker id be outnumbered by dc all the time so I dont get your complaint.

and if you want more duels and stuff like that join a duelling guild. There you will have 1v1 2v2,... If you go to cyrodiil and expect fair fights you will have a bad time

tonemd

PC NA Azuras

I will say this, the EP know their strength is in their numbers. They tend to stay together. Even when they straggle out of a keeps to the next objective the pugs tend to come out in threes. Makes ganking tough. I think it's actually a factional culture. Whereas there are too many solo/yolo "heroes" on the DC side.

AD has a few 2vXers and the big farm groups that come out to farm and push emp, other than that they just hide in their keeps playing cards I guess.