Do you or do you not play a nightblade?

Cathexis · October 2015

SleepyTroll wrote: »

@Cathexis

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Ganj wrote: »

Hey since there are so many people play nightblade lets nerf it!

I don't support this response, however when nightblades represent a majority of players, maybe that's something to consider a problem. If the majority of players want to play one class because it provides a significant advantage, that's definitely a problem.

Poll update
88% of players have a nightblade.
66% of players have an actively played nightblade.
34% of players play the nightblade as their main.

34% of players main NB is the only important number. That means it's only slightly above the other 4. Your poll sucks. I bet 66% of players have played dk also and sorc and templar. And I bet almost 88% of all players have everyother class to so wtf is you point? It should have just asked what class do you main?

Cathexis wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Why would I ever vote here?

Because you aren't afraid that nightblades actually represent a large fraction of posters?

Because nightblades representing a majority isn't, in and of itself, a bad thing?

I have a lot more respect for the nightblades who weren't afraid to vote.

1 this is not a large fraction, AND what constitutes a player being a NB? Maining one? CuZ then I'm not one. Or just having one? Cuz I guess I'm a dknbsorctemp, since I play them all.

2. Every post you tag this in you make it seem like it's a bad thing.
3. I voted for the I play every class, yet to you I'm a NB when I'm not.
4. Did I mention your poll *** sucks.

No I actually explicitly stated the difference between having a main as a nightblade in the poll as a different category. And just because you play all 4 characters doesn't make you suddenly less of a player who plays nightblades. The nightblades who come in here accusing me of having an agenda are the ones who are insecure about the poll results. As I've said before just because you don't like the results doesn't make the results wrong. I'm not infering that being a nightblade is bad. What I am doing is shedding light on how the nightblade is represented as a class by players within the forums. The truth is, there is no data beyond this poll. Also, just because data explains a reasonable hypothesis doesn't mean it isn't data worth reviewing. I won't say you are wrong that the 32% of players who play classes equally also have other classes. But this poll doesn't examine that. That isn't the focus of the poll. Nor is it to dictate people's opinions on the nightblade.

The poll doesn't suck. It examined exactly what it intended to examine. The potential bias toward players playing nightblades. If you are mad about poll data, you should really consider adjusting your attitude because no matter how hard you scream at a representative poll that it sucks, it won't change the end results.

Dude you have been hating on NB's ever since your first postep you ever made on the forums. You make these little posts to seem normal Olde innocent posts but really there nerf posts. The is not the first one you have created like this.http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/198752/stamina-or-magicka-nightblade/p1
You do have an agenda. You do, you literally do. Like litterally. Your agenda is blatantly obvious. You want NB's nerfed becuase ever since july 2014 they have been kicking your ass.

@SleepyTroll
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I have not been hating on nightblades since I joined the forums. In fact, a lot of players claim to hate nightblades. Anyone who gets jumped by a nightblade is going to curse out nightblades. I didn't invent that. And no, they havent been kicking my ass. I routinely stomp nightblades. I love when they repeatedly attack me with teleport strike to no avail as i continuously heal through their teleport strikes while they get raked on by the rest of the group. Or hitting them twice with wrecking blow and watching them melt.

I myself have a nightblade. I don't play him often, but I have one. Why? Because they are blatantly OP right now and not rolling one at this point would be silly.

Also if you actually read my posts you would see what my current angle is with regard to nightblades -- I have explicitly stated in the "nerf damage" threads I do not think nightblade damage is overpowered in its currenty state on live. I think it is a little high, it might need a slight adjustment, but generally damage is not the problem. With regard to cloak I have also explicitly stated that I do not think that ALL nightblades who use cloak are overpowered. I have explicitly stated my complaint about nightblade cloak which is that

(a) Around mobs it is a get out of jail free card
(b) It can be used to evade entire groups indefinitely and avoid damage
(c) Running an entire bar of counters and potions can be completely inadequate (not ALWAYS but it can be)
(d) Contrary to the voice of nightblades on the forums, cloak allows you to purge, heal, AND wind up for the next attack
(e) The entire premise that bolt escape was nerfed on was that it allowed the player the absolute control over dictating the terms of the start AND end of the battle, regardless of the many counters that were voiced in forum. Cloak allows for the same control; it is the exact same context as bolt escape. If it isn't acceptable for bolt escape, it isn't acceptable for cloak.
(f) The premise that by making small adjustments to cloak it will ruin the class is absurd. Nightblades have some of if not the best CC, highest damage, and resource management in the game.

This has never been about my individual interactions with nightblades. It has entirely been about the excessive capacity to evade damage and groups.

So when do we get to your agenda of vilifying me to make me look like some type of anti-nightblade neo-*** because I simply want to provide balance to the discussion?

I'm sorry if you don't like my opinions. But at least take the time to learn what my position is.

If anything, this seems to be a common thread among nightblades who read and respond to my posts. I'm not out to get you. I'm not the boogieman of nightblades here to steal their nightblade children. I'm not the official head of nerf nightblades anonymous. Personally, I think its a little pathetic how many straw man arguments I am bombarded with where first I'm accused of wanting nightblades nerfed into uselessness, and then attacked personally about my ability to play on the basis of that false argument.

Also, I don't really see what you are getting at by quoting a thread in which I simply ask which I should roll. At no point did I make any sort of nerfing argument in that thread; I was genuinely curious which people prefer.

TLDR: Read my the posts before you JACUSE you lazy a55 hat.

First thread you ever made was about getting killed by NB's and you didn't know what to do lol
Do you or do you not want cloak nerfed? ugh yea you do, post you made today:

Cathexis wrote: »

Just nerf cloak.

one of my favorite from you:

Cathexis wrote: »

...I run 8 counters and none provide a distinct advantage...

WTF you running 8 counters for lol

hmmmm... did you just compare bolt and cloak? But here you said this:

Cathexis wrote: »

Really the comparison between bolt and cloak is also the wrong comparison. Really the comparison should be between bolt and teleport strike, and cloak and hardened ward...

Anyways, you want cloak nerfed, plain and simple you made this poll to strengthen your argument anytime a thread goes against your agenda. Anytime your agenda is losing in a poll or thread you bring up your"findings" to try and disprove that thread or poll.Idk, is it like cool to make text like this or something. IDC if you have an opinion , have your opinion man, you do you! I never even said I disagreed with your opinion did I? What I do disagree with is the manner in wich you share your "data"

Cathexis wrote: »

@SleepyTroll Actually no the sample does currently indicate that roughly 64% of the forum are active nightblades. If you look closely.

Right here this is the problem. "64% of the players are active NBs", your poll doesn't say that anywhere now does it? It says 32% of players "are" a NB.
These is the literal translation of your poll:

32% of players main a NB( For you so its a little simpler. This means 32% of players "are" a NB)

33% of players play a NB along with, the other classes (relatively) equally( For you so its a little simpler. This means 33% of players are NOT a NB there are a mix of classes.)

21% Have a NB and rarely play it( simple terms for you. This means 21% of players are not even playing there NB as much as there other characters, Wich makes them NOT NBs)

7% dont have a NB(simple terms for you. 7% of players are NOT a NB)

4% dont play a NB and think they are scum( simple terms for you. 4% of players are NOT a NB)

So lets see, 32% of players are a NB. Ok we got that. Now if you think for a second if you look at the simple terms for you the last 4 points of your data can be added together wich gives us 65% percent of players NOT being NBs(in your terms)

Start putting this in threads to show your data.

*Side note, why does the poll only go to 97%?

YOU WANT CLOAK NERFED, AND THATS FINE, BUT DONT SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION

@SleepyTroll
Why does my poll go to 97%? Do you think I rigged the poll so that it doesn't add up to 100 now too?

33% of players play the other classes ALONG WITH A NB, THUS THEY ARE ACTIVE NB PLAYERS.

You can't just disclude them from the player base because you feel like it. Just because they play other classes as well does not mean they are not active nightblades. Its not how I'm presenting my data. Its how the data presents itself. You just don't want to accept that players who play other classes also play nightblades and that they are thus represented as another third of the data.

As for what my first thread was, it was certainly not about "being killed by nightblades and not knowing what to do." My only thread related to that was about strengthening my 1vX as a stam sorc, and when asked what I was trying to counter, one issue I brought up was cloak spamming nightblades. I have since adjusted my play style accordingly. Its funny, you accuse me of misrepresentation, and then USE MY THREADS AS A WAY TO MISREPRESENT ME.

As for comparisons between skills, you can compare any two skills you like. I can compare cloak to light attack if you like. Just because I compare cloak to different abilities, doesn't make the argument less valid. Yes I believe cloak better compares to ward but most people don't compare it to ward they compare it to bolt. Its curious that you cut out the actual argument I made on that point because it, in fact, makes a lot of sense -- Ward was a one button defensive counter, the same premise as nightblade cloak, and ward too was nerfed on that premise.

Why don't you look at the arguments I make instead of attacking me for making arguments.

SleepyTroll · October 2015

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

@Cathexis

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Ganj wrote: »

Hey since there are so many people play nightblade lets nerf it!

I don't support this response, however when nightblades represent a majority of players, maybe that's something to consider a problem. If the majority of players want to play one class because it provides a significant advantage, that's definitely a problem.

Poll update
88% of players have a nightblade.
66% of players have an actively played nightblade.
34% of players play the nightblade as their main.

34% of players main NB is the only important number. That means it's only slightly above the other 4. Your poll sucks. I bet 66% of players have played dk also and sorc and templar. And I bet almost 88% of all players have everyother class to so wtf is you point? It should have just asked what class do you main?

Cathexis wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Why would I ever vote here?

Because you aren't afraid that nightblades actually represent a large fraction of posters?

Because nightblades representing a majority isn't, in and of itself, a bad thing?

I have a lot more respect for the nightblades who weren't afraid to vote.

1 this is not a large fraction, AND what constitutes a player being a NB? Maining one? CuZ then I'm not one. Or just having one? Cuz I guess I'm a dknbsorctemp, since I play them all.

2. Every post you tag this in you make it seem like it's a bad thing.
3. I voted for the I play every class, yet to you I'm a NB when I'm not.
4. Did I mention your poll *** sucks.

No I actually explicitly stated the difference between having a main as a nightblade in the poll as a different category. And just because you play all 4 characters doesn't make you suddenly less of a player who plays nightblades. The nightblades who come in here accusing me of having an agenda are the ones who are insecure about the poll results. As I've said before just because you don't like the results doesn't make the results wrong. I'm not infering that being a nightblade is bad. What I am doing is shedding light on how the nightblade is represented as a class by players within the forums. The truth is, there is no data beyond this poll. Also, just because data explains a reasonable hypothesis doesn't mean it isn't data worth reviewing. I won't say you are wrong that the 32% of players who play classes equally also have other classes. But this poll doesn't examine that. That isn't the focus of the poll. Nor is it to dictate people's opinions on the nightblade.

The poll doesn't suck. It examined exactly what it intended to examine. The potential bias toward players playing nightblades. If you are mad about poll data, you should really consider adjusting your attitude because no matter how hard you scream at a representative poll that it sucks, it won't change the end results.

Dude you have been hating on NB's ever since your first postep you ever made on the forums. You make these little posts to seem normal Olde innocent posts but really there nerf posts. The is not the first one you have created like this.http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/198752/stamina-or-magicka-nightblade/p1
You do have an agenda. You do, you literally do. Like litterally. Your agenda is blatantly obvious. You want NB's nerfed becuase ever since july 2014 they have been kicking your ass.

@SleepyTroll
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I have not been hating on nightblades since I joined the forums. In fact, a lot of players claim to hate nightblades. Anyone who gets jumped by a nightblade is going to curse out nightblades. I didn't invent that. And no, they havent been kicking my ass. I routinely stomp nightblades. I love when they repeatedly attack me with teleport strike to no avail as i continuously heal through their teleport strikes while they get raked on by the rest of the group. Or hitting them twice with wrecking blow and watching them melt.

I myself have a nightblade. I don't play him often, but I have one. Why? Because they are blatantly OP right now and not rolling one at this point would be silly.

Also if you actually read my posts you would see what my current angle is with regard to nightblades -- I have explicitly stated in the "nerf damage" threads I do not think nightblade damage is overpowered in its currenty state on live. I think it is a little high, it might need a slight adjustment, but generally damage is not the problem. With regard to cloak I have also explicitly stated that I do not think that ALL nightblades who use cloak are overpowered. I have explicitly stated my complaint about nightblade cloak which is that

(a) Around mobs it is a get out of jail free card
(b) It can be used to evade entire groups indefinitely and avoid damage
(c) Running an entire bar of counters and potions can be completely inadequate (not ALWAYS but it can be)
(d) Contrary to the voice of nightblades on the forums, cloak allows you to purge, heal, AND wind up for the next attack
(e) The entire premise that bolt escape was nerfed on was that it allowed the player the absolute control over dictating the terms of the start AND end of the battle, regardless of the many counters that were voiced in forum. Cloak allows for the same control; it is the exact same context as bolt escape. If it isn't acceptable for bolt escape, it isn't acceptable for cloak.
(f) The premise that by making small adjustments to cloak it will ruin the class is absurd. Nightblades have some of if not the best CC, highest damage, and resource management in the game.

This has never been about my individual interactions with nightblades. It has entirely been about the excessive capacity to evade damage and groups.

So when do we get to your agenda of vilifying me to make me look like some type of anti-nightblade neo-*** because I simply want to provide balance to the discussion?

I'm sorry if you don't like my opinions. But at least take the time to learn what my position is.

If anything, this seems to be a common thread among nightblades who read and respond to my posts. I'm not out to get you. I'm not the boogieman of nightblades here to steal their nightblade children. I'm not the official head of nerf nightblades anonymous. Personally, I think its a little pathetic how many straw man arguments I am bombarded with where first I'm accused of wanting nightblades nerfed into uselessness, and then attacked personally about my ability to play on the basis of that false argument.

Also, I don't really see what you are getting at by quoting a thread in which I simply ask which I should roll. At no point did I make any sort of nerfing argument in that thread; I was genuinely curious which people prefer.

TLDR: Read my the posts before you JACUSE you lazy a55 hat.

First thread you ever made was about getting killed by NB's and you didn't know what to do lol
Do you or do you not want cloak nerfed? ugh yea you do, post you made today:

Cathexis wrote: »

Just nerf cloak.

one of my favorite from you:

Cathexis wrote: »

...I run 8 counters and none provide a distinct advantage...

WTF you running 8 counters for lol

hmmmm... did you just compare bolt and cloak? But here you said this:

Cathexis wrote: »

Really the comparison between bolt and cloak is also the wrong comparison. Really the comparison should be between bolt and teleport strike, and cloak and hardened ward...

Anyways, you want cloak nerfed, plain and simple you made this poll to strengthen your argument anytime a thread goes against your agenda. Anytime your agenda is losing in a poll or thread you bring up your"findings" to try and disprove that thread or poll.Idk, is it like cool to make text like this or something. IDC if you have an opinion , have your opinion man, you do you! I never even said I disagreed with your opinion did I? What I do disagree with is the manner in wich you share your "data"

Cathexis wrote: »

@SleepyTroll Actually no the sample does currently indicate that roughly 64% of the forum are active nightblades. If you look closely.

Right here this is the problem. "64% of the players are active NBs", your poll doesn't say that anywhere now does it? It says 32% of players "are" a NB.
These is the literal translation of your poll:

32% of players main a NB( For you so its a little simpler. This means 32% of players "are" a NB)

33% of players play a NB along with, the other classes (relatively) equally( For you so its a little simpler. This means 33% of players are NOT a NB there are a mix of classes.)

21% Have a NB and rarely play it( simple terms for you. This means 21% of players are not even playing there NB as much as there other characters, Wich makes them NOT NBs)

7% dont have a NB(simple terms for you. 7% of players are NOT a NB)

4% dont play a NB and think they are scum( simple terms for you. 4% of players are NOT a NB)

So lets see, 32% of players are a NB. Ok we got that. Now if you think for a second if you look at the simple terms for you the last 4 points of your data can be added together wich gives us 65% percent of players NOT being NBs(in your terms)

Start putting this in threads to show your data.

*Side note, why does the poll only go to 97%?

YOU WANT CLOAK NERFED, AND THATS FINE, BUT DONT SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION

@SleepyTroll
Why does my poll go to 97%? Do you think I rigged the poll so that it doesn't add up to 100 now too?

33% of players play the other classes ALONG WITH A NB, THUS THEY ARE ACTIVE NB PLAYERS.

You can't just disclude them from the player base because you feel like it. Just because they play other classes as well does not mean they are not active nightblades. Its not how I'm presenting my data. Its how the data presents itself. You just don't want to accept that players who play other classes also play nightblades and that they are thus represented as another third of the data.

As for what my first thread was, it was certainly not about "being killed by nightblades and not knowing what to do." My only thread related to that was about strengthening my 1vX as a stam sorc, and when asked what I was trying to counter, one issue I brought up was cloak spamming nightblades. I have since adjusted my play style accordingly. Its funny, you accuse me of misrepresentation, and then USE MY THREADS AS A WAY TO MISREPRESENT ME.

As for comparisons between skills, you can compare any two skills you like. I can compare cloak to light attack if you like. Just because I compare cloak to different abilities, doesn't make the argument less valid. Yes I believe cloak better compares to ward but most people don't compare it to ward they compare it to bolt. Its curious that you cut out the actual argument I made on that point because it, in fact, makes a lot of sense -- Ward was a one button defensive counter, the same premise as nightblade cloak, and ward too was nerfed on that premise.

Why don't you look at the arguments I make instead of attacking me for making arguments.

I stopped reading at the first sentence your grasping at straws for an argument lol I litterally was just asking why the poll goes to 97% didn't say you did anything. Your agenda is still wanting to nerf cloaks, and idc, but don't denie it. Cya later.

Cathexis · October 2015

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

@Cathexis

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Ganj wrote: »

Hey since there are so many people play nightblade lets nerf it!

I don't support this response, however when nightblades represent a majority of players, maybe that's something to consider a problem. If the majority of players want to play one class because it provides a significant advantage, that's definitely a problem.

Poll update
88% of players have a nightblade.
66% of players have an actively played nightblade.
34% of players play the nightblade as their main.

34% of players main NB is the only important number. That means it's only slightly above the other 4. Your poll sucks. I bet 66% of players have played dk also and sorc and templar. And I bet almost 88% of all players have everyother class to so wtf is you point? It should have just asked what class do you main?

Cathexis wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Why would I ever vote here?

Because you aren't afraid that nightblades actually represent a large fraction of posters?

Because nightblades representing a majority isn't, in and of itself, a bad thing?

I have a lot more respect for the nightblades who weren't afraid to vote.

1 this is not a large fraction, AND what constitutes a player being a NB? Maining one? CuZ then I'm not one. Or just having one? Cuz I guess I'm a dknbsorctemp, since I play them all.

2. Every post you tag this in you make it seem like it's a bad thing.
3. I voted for the I play every class, yet to you I'm a NB when I'm not.
4. Did I mention your poll *** sucks.

No I actually explicitly stated the difference between having a main as a nightblade in the poll as a different category. And just because you play all 4 characters doesn't make you suddenly less of a player who plays nightblades. The nightblades who come in here accusing me of having an agenda are the ones who are insecure about the poll results. As I've said before just because you don't like the results doesn't make the results wrong. I'm not infering that being a nightblade is bad. What I am doing is shedding light on how the nightblade is represented as a class by players within the forums. The truth is, there is no data beyond this poll. Also, just because data explains a reasonable hypothesis doesn't mean it isn't data worth reviewing. I won't say you are wrong that the 32% of players who play classes equally also have other classes. But this poll doesn't examine that. That isn't the focus of the poll. Nor is it to dictate people's opinions on the nightblade.

The poll doesn't suck. It examined exactly what it intended to examine. The potential bias toward players playing nightblades. If you are mad about poll data, you should really consider adjusting your attitude because no matter how hard you scream at a representative poll that it sucks, it won't change the end results.

Dude you have been hating on NB's ever since your first postep you ever made on the forums. You make these little posts to seem normal Olde innocent posts but really there nerf posts. The is not the first one you have created like this.http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/198752/stamina-or-magicka-nightblade/p1
You do have an agenda. You do, you literally do. Like litterally. Your agenda is blatantly obvious. You want NB's nerfed becuase ever since july 2014 they have been kicking your ass.

@SleepyTroll
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I have not been hating on nightblades since I joined the forums. In fact, a lot of players claim to hate nightblades. Anyone who gets jumped by a nightblade is going to curse out nightblades. I didn't invent that. And no, they havent been kicking my ass. I routinely stomp nightblades. I love when they repeatedly attack me with teleport strike to no avail as i continuously heal through their teleport strikes while they get raked on by the rest of the group. Or hitting them twice with wrecking blow and watching them melt.

I myself have a nightblade. I don't play him often, but I have one. Why? Because they are blatantly OP right now and not rolling one at this point would be silly.

Also if you actually read my posts you would see what my current angle is with regard to nightblades -- I have explicitly stated in the "nerf damage" threads I do not think nightblade damage is overpowered in its currenty state on live. I think it is a little high, it might need a slight adjustment, but generally damage is not the problem. With regard to cloak I have also explicitly stated that I do not think that ALL nightblades who use cloak are overpowered. I have explicitly stated my complaint about nightblade cloak which is that

(a) Around mobs it is a get out of jail free card
(b) It can be used to evade entire groups indefinitely and avoid damage
(c) Running an entire bar of counters and potions can be completely inadequate (not ALWAYS but it can be)
(d) Contrary to the voice of nightblades on the forums, cloak allows you to purge, heal, AND wind up for the next attack
(e) The entire premise that bolt escape was nerfed on was that it allowed the player the absolute control over dictating the terms of the start AND end of the battle, regardless of the many counters that were voiced in forum. Cloak allows for the same control; it is the exact same context as bolt escape. If it isn't acceptable for bolt escape, it isn't acceptable for cloak.
(f) The premise that by making small adjustments to cloak it will ruin the class is absurd. Nightblades have some of if not the best CC, highest damage, and resource management in the game.

This has never been about my individual interactions with nightblades. It has entirely been about the excessive capacity to evade damage and groups.

So when do we get to your agenda of vilifying me to make me look like some type of anti-nightblade neo-*** because I simply want to provide balance to the discussion?

I'm sorry if you don't like my opinions. But at least take the time to learn what my position is.

If anything, this seems to be a common thread among nightblades who read and respond to my posts. I'm not out to get you. I'm not the boogieman of nightblades here to steal their nightblade children. I'm not the official head of nerf nightblades anonymous. Personally, I think its a little pathetic how many straw man arguments I am bombarded with where first I'm accused of wanting nightblades nerfed into uselessness, and then attacked personally about my ability to play on the basis of that false argument.

Also, I don't really see what you are getting at by quoting a thread in which I simply ask which I should roll. At no point did I make any sort of nerfing argument in that thread; I was genuinely curious which people prefer.

TLDR: Read my the posts before you JACUSE you lazy a55 hat.

First thread you ever made was about getting killed by NB's and you didn't know what to do lol
Do you or do you not want cloak nerfed? ugh yea you do, post you made today:

Cathexis wrote: »

Just nerf cloak.

one of my favorite from you:

Cathexis wrote: »

...I run 8 counters and none provide a distinct advantage...

WTF you running 8 counters for lol

hmmmm... did you just compare bolt and cloak? But here you said this:

Cathexis wrote: »

Really the comparison between bolt and cloak is also the wrong comparison. Really the comparison should be between bolt and teleport strike, and cloak and hardened ward...

Anyways, you want cloak nerfed, plain and simple you made this poll to strengthen your argument anytime a thread goes against your agenda. Anytime your agenda is losing in a poll or thread you bring up your"findings" to try and disprove that thread or poll.Idk, is it like cool to make text like this or something. IDC if you have an opinion , have your opinion man, you do you! I never even said I disagreed with your opinion did I? What I do disagree with is the manner in wich you share your "data"

Cathexis wrote: »

@SleepyTroll Actually no the sample does currently indicate that roughly 64% of the forum are active nightblades. If you look closely.

Right here this is the problem. "64% of the players are active NBs", your poll doesn't say that anywhere now does it? It says 32% of players "are" a NB.
These is the literal translation of your poll:

32% of players main a NB( For you so its a little simpler. This means 32% of players "are" a NB)

33% of players play a NB along with, the other classes (relatively) equally( For you so its a little simpler. This means 33% of players are NOT a NB there are a mix of classes.)

21% Have a NB and rarely play it( simple terms for you. This means 21% of players are not even playing there NB as much as there other characters, Wich makes them NOT NBs)

7% dont have a NB(simple terms for you. 7% of players are NOT a NB)

4% dont play a NB and think they are scum( simple terms for you. 4% of players are NOT a NB)

So lets see, 32% of players are a NB. Ok we got that. Now if you think for a second if you look at the simple terms for you the last 4 points of your data can be added together wich gives us 65% percent of players NOT being NBs(in your terms)

Start putting this in threads to show your data.

*Side note, why does the poll only go to 97%?

YOU WANT CLOAK NERFED, AND THATS FINE, BUT DONT SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION

@SleepyTroll
Why does my poll go to 97%? Do you think I rigged the poll so that it doesn't add up to 100 now too?

33% of players play the other classes ALONG WITH A NB, THUS THEY ARE ACTIVE NB PLAYERS.

You can't just disclude them from the player base because you feel like it. Just because they play other classes as well does not mean they are not active nightblades. Its not how I'm presenting my data. Its how the data presents itself. You just don't want to accept that players who play other classes also play nightblades and that they are thus represented as another third of the data.

As for what my first thread was, it was certainly not about "being killed by nightblades and not knowing what to do." My only thread related to that was about strengthening my 1vX as a stam sorc, and when asked what I was trying to counter, one issue I brought up was cloak spamming nightblades. I have since adjusted my play style accordingly. Its funny, you accuse me of misrepresentation, and then USE MY THREADS AS A WAY TO MISREPRESENT ME.

As for comparisons between skills, you can compare any two skills you like. I can compare cloak to light attack if you like. Just because I compare cloak to different abilities, doesn't make the argument less valid. Yes I believe cloak better compares to ward but most people don't compare it to ward they compare it to bolt. Its curious that you cut out the actual argument I made on that point because it, in fact, makes a lot of sense -- Ward was a one button defensive counter, the same premise as nightblade cloak, and ward too was nerfed on that premise.

Why don't you look at the arguments I make instead of attacking me for making arguments.

I stopped reading at the first sentence your grasping at straws for an argument lol I litterally was just asking why the poll goes to 97% didn't say you did anything. Your agenda is still wanting to nerf cloaks, and idc, but don't denie it. Cya later.

@SleepyTroll never did deny it. Fortunately, this thread isn't about that. Good riddance.

Lava_Croft · October 2015

I rate this attempt at trying to nerf Nightblades F-.

JDar · October 2015

Zorgon_The_Revenged wrote: »

elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Nightblade_(Daggerfall)

...mastery of the School of Illusion...nightblades are seldom seen.

Cathexis · October 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I rate this attempt at trying to nerf Nightblades F-.

@Lava_Croft
Lol so many insecure nightblades.

Read the thread. Don't know how many times I explicitly stated that the intent of the poll is not to nerf nightblades.

Just because it indicates that nightblades represent a larger than average forum presence, all of a sudden they all get up in arms!

If the poll came back that nightblades were underrepresented, I would be advocating the opposing point -- but it didn't; it clearly shows they are over-represented.

Sorry if I cast forum caltrops on your forum cloak.

JDar · October 2015

IKilled007 wrote: »

Been a NB since beta when it was a broken mess of a class and stuck with it. It's the only toon I play.

Same. I do have a magicka DK that is VR9, he is pretty useful in group play though obviously my main is much much stronger.

JDar · October 2015

SleepyTroll wrote: »

@Cathexis

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Ganj wrote: »

Hey since there are so many people play nightblade lets nerf it!

I don't support this response, however when nightblades represent a majority of players, maybe that's something to consider a problem. If the majority of players want to play one class because it provides a significant advantage, that's definitely a problem.

Poll update
88% of players have a nightblade.
66% of players have an actively played nightblade.
34% of players play the nightblade as their main.

34% of players main NB is the only important number. That means it's only slightly above the other 4. Your poll sucks. I bet 66% of players have played dk also and sorc and templar. And I bet almost 88% of all players have everyother class to so wtf is you point? It should have just asked what class do you main?

Cathexis wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Why would I ever vote here?

Because you aren't afraid that nightblades actually represent a large fraction of posters?

Because nightblades representing a majority isn't, in and of itself, a bad thing?

I have a lot more respect for the nightblades who weren't afraid to vote.

1 this is not a large fraction, AND what constitutes a player being a NB? Maining one? CuZ then I'm not one. Or just having one? Cuz I guess I'm a dknbsorctemp, since I play them all.

2. Every post you tag this in you make it seem like it's a bad thing.
3. I voted for the I play every class, yet to you I'm a NB when I'm not.
4. Did I mention your poll *** sucks.

No I actually explicitly stated the difference between having a main as a nightblade in the poll as a different category. And just because you play all 4 characters doesn't make you suddenly less of a player who plays nightblades. The nightblades who come in here accusing me of having an agenda are the ones who are insecure about the poll results. As I've said before just because you don't like the results doesn't make the results wrong. I'm not infering that being a nightblade is bad. What I am doing is shedding light on how the nightblade is represented as a class by players within the forums. The truth is, there is no data beyond this poll. Also, just because data explains a reasonable hypothesis doesn't mean it isn't data worth reviewing. I won't say you are wrong that the 32% of players who play classes equally also have other classes. But this poll doesn't examine that. That isn't the focus of the poll. Nor is it to dictate people's opinions on the nightblade.

The poll doesn't suck. It examined exactly what it intended to examine. The potential bias toward players playing nightblades. If you are mad about poll data, you should really consider adjusting your attitude because no matter how hard you scream at a representative poll that it sucks, it won't change the end results.

Dude you have been hating on NB's ever since your first postep you ever made on the forums. You make these little posts to seem normal Olde innocent posts but really there nerf posts. The is not the first one you have created like this.http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/198752/stamina-or-magicka-nightblade/p1
You do have an agenda. You do, you literally do. Like litterally. Your agenda is blatantly obvious. You want NB's nerfed becuase ever since july 2014 they have been kicking your ass.

@SleepyTroll
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I have not been hating on nightblades since I joined the forums. In fact, a lot of players claim to hate nightblades. Anyone who gets jumped by a nightblade is going to curse out nightblades. I didn't invent that. And no, they havent been kicking my ass. I routinely stomp nightblades. I love when they repeatedly attack me with teleport strike to no avail as i continuously heal through their teleport strikes while they get raked on by the rest of the group. Or hitting them twice with wrecking blow and watching them melt.

I myself have a nightblade. I don't play him often, but I have one. Why? Because they are blatantly OP right now and not rolling one at this point would be silly.

Also if you actually read my posts you would see what my current angle is with regard to nightblades -- I have explicitly stated in the "nerf damage" threads I do not think nightblade damage is overpowered in its currenty state on live. I think it is a little high, it might need a slight adjustment, but generally damage is not the problem. With regard to cloak I have also explicitly stated that I do not think that ALL nightblades who use cloak are overpowered. I have explicitly stated my complaint about nightblade cloak which is that

(a) Around mobs it is a get out of jail free card
(b) It can be used to evade entire groups indefinitely and avoid damage
(c) Running an entire bar of counters and potions can be completely inadequate (not ALWAYS but it can be)
(d) Contrary to the voice of nightblades on the forums, cloak allows you to purge, heal, AND wind up for the next attack
(e) The entire premise that bolt escape was nerfed on was that it allowed the player the absolute control over dictating the terms of the start AND end of the battle, regardless of the many counters that were voiced in forum. Cloak allows for the same control; it is the exact same context as bolt escape. If it isn't acceptable for bolt escape, it isn't acceptable for cloak.
(f) The premise that by making small adjustments to cloak it will ruin the class is absurd. Nightblades have some of if not the best CC, highest damage, and resource management in the game.

This has never been about my individual interactions with nightblades. It has entirely been about the excessive capacity to evade damage and groups.

So when do we get to your agenda of vilifying me to make me look like some type of anti-nightblade neo-*** because I simply want to provide balance to the discussion?

I'm sorry if you don't like my opinions. But at least take the time to learn what my position is.

If anything, this seems to be a common thread among nightblades who read and respond to my posts. I'm not out to get you. I'm not the boogieman of nightblades here to steal their nightblade children. I'm not the official head of nerf nightblades anonymous. Personally, I think its a little pathetic how many straw man arguments I am bombarded with where first I'm accused of wanting nightblades nerfed into uselessness, and then attacked personally about my ability to play on the basis of that false argument.

Also, I don't really see what you are getting at by quoting a thread in which I simply ask which I should roll. At no point did I make any sort of nerfing argument in that thread; I was genuinely curious which people prefer.

TLDR: Read my the posts before you JACUSE you lazy a55 hat.

First thread you ever made was about getting killed by NB's and you didn't know what to do lol
Do you or do you not want cloak nerfed? ugh yea you do, post you made today:

Cathexis wrote: »

Just nerf cloak.

one of my favorite from you:

Cathexis wrote: »

...I run 8 counters and none provide a distinct advantage...

WTF you running 8 counters for lol

hmmmm... did you just compare bolt and cloak? But here you said this:

Cathexis wrote: »

Really the comparison between bolt and cloak is also the wrong comparison. Really the comparison should be between bolt and teleport strike, and cloak and hardened ward...

Anyways, you want cloak nerfed, plain and simple you made this poll to strengthen your argument anytime a thread goes against your agenda. Anytime your agenda is losing in a poll or thread you bring up your"findings" to try and disprove that thread or poll.Idk, is it like cool to make text like this or something. IDC if you have an opinion , have your opinion man, you do you! I never even said I disagreed with your opinion did I? What I do disagree with is the manner in wich you share your "data"

Cathexis wrote: »

@SleepyTroll Actually no the sample does currently indicate that roughly 64% of the forum are active nightblades. If you look closely.

Right here this is the problem. "64% of the players are active NBs", your poll doesn't say that anywhere now does it? It says 32% of players "are" a NB.
These is the literal translation of your poll:

32% of players main a NB( For you so its a little simpler. This means 32% of players "are" a NB)

33% of players play a NB along with, the other classes (relatively) equally( For you so its a little simpler. This means 33% of players are NOT a NB there are a mix of classes.)

21% Have a NB and rarely play it( simple terms for you. This means 21% of players are not even playing there NB as much as there other characters, Wich makes them NOT NBs)

7% dont have a NB(simple terms for you. 7% of players are NOT a NB)

4% dont play a NB and think they are scum( simple terms for you. 4% of players are NOT a NB)

So lets see, 32% of players are a NB. Ok we got that. Now if you think for a second if you look at the simple terms for you the last 4 points of your data can be added together wich gives us 65% percent of players NOT being NBs(in your terms)

Start putting this in threads to show your data.

*Side note, why does the poll only go to 97%?

YOU WANT CLOAK NERFED, AND THATS FINE, BUT DONT SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION

Just one thing to add, this poll is also a self-selecting sample. Of course nightblades will click on this thread to vote at a higher rate than templars and sorc players only.

Cathexis · October 2015

JDar wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

@Cathexis

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Ganj wrote: »

Hey since there are so many people play nightblade lets nerf it!

I don't support this response, however when nightblades represent a majority of players, maybe that's something to consider a problem. If the majority of players want to play one class because it provides a significant advantage, that's definitely a problem.

Poll update
88% of players have a nightblade.
66% of players have an actively played nightblade.
34% of players play the nightblade as their main.

34% of players main NB is the only important number. That means it's only slightly above the other 4. Your poll sucks. I bet 66% of players have played dk also and sorc and templar. And I bet almost 88% of all players have everyother class to so wtf is you point? It should have just asked what class do you main?

Cathexis wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Why would I ever vote here?

Because you aren't afraid that nightblades actually represent a large fraction of posters?

Because nightblades representing a majority isn't, in and of itself, a bad thing?

I have a lot more respect for the nightblades who weren't afraid to vote.

1 this is not a large fraction, AND what constitutes a player being a NB? Maining one? CuZ then I'm not one. Or just having one? Cuz I guess I'm a dknbsorctemp, since I play them all.

2. Every post you tag this in you make it seem like it's a bad thing.
3. I voted for the I play every class, yet to you I'm a NB when I'm not.
4. Did I mention your poll *** sucks.

No I actually explicitly stated the difference between having a main as a nightblade in the poll as a different category. And just because you play all 4 characters doesn't make you suddenly less of a player who plays nightblades. The nightblades who come in here accusing me of having an agenda are the ones who are insecure about the poll results. As I've said before just because you don't like the results doesn't make the results wrong. I'm not infering that being a nightblade is bad. What I am doing is shedding light on how the nightblade is represented as a class by players within the forums. The truth is, there is no data beyond this poll. Also, just because data explains a reasonable hypothesis doesn't mean it isn't data worth reviewing. I won't say you are wrong that the 32% of players who play classes equally also have other classes. But this poll doesn't examine that. That isn't the focus of the poll. Nor is it to dictate people's opinions on the nightblade.

The poll doesn't suck. It examined exactly what it intended to examine. The potential bias toward players playing nightblades. If you are mad about poll data, you should really consider adjusting your attitude because no matter how hard you scream at a representative poll that it sucks, it won't change the end results.

Dude you have been hating on NB's ever since your first postep you ever made on the forums. You make these little posts to seem normal Olde innocent posts but really there nerf posts. The is not the first one you have created like this.http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/198752/stamina-or-magicka-nightblade/p1
You do have an agenda. You do, you literally do. Like litterally. Your agenda is blatantly obvious. You want NB's nerfed becuase ever since july 2014 they have been kicking your ass.

@SleepyTroll
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I have not been hating on nightblades since I joined the forums. In fact, a lot of players claim to hate nightblades. Anyone who gets jumped by a nightblade is going to curse out nightblades. I didn't invent that. And no, they havent been kicking my ass. I routinely stomp nightblades. I love when they repeatedly attack me with teleport strike to no avail as i continuously heal through their teleport strikes while they get raked on by the rest of the group. Or hitting them twice with wrecking blow and watching them melt.

I myself have a nightblade. I don't play him often, but I have one. Why? Because they are blatantly OP right now and not rolling one at this point would be silly.

Also if you actually read my posts you would see what my current angle is with regard to nightblades -- I have explicitly stated in the "nerf damage" threads I do not think nightblade damage is overpowered in its currenty state on live. I think it is a little high, it might need a slight adjustment, but generally damage is not the problem. With regard to cloak I have also explicitly stated that I do not think that ALL nightblades who use cloak are overpowered. I have explicitly stated my complaint about nightblade cloak which is that

(a) Around mobs it is a get out of jail free card
(b) It can be used to evade entire groups indefinitely and avoid damage
(c) Running an entire bar of counters and potions can be completely inadequate (not ALWAYS but it can be)
(d) Contrary to the voice of nightblades on the forums, cloak allows you to purge, heal, AND wind up for the next attack
(e) The entire premise that bolt escape was nerfed on was that it allowed the player the absolute control over dictating the terms of the start AND end of the battle, regardless of the many counters that were voiced in forum. Cloak allows for the same control; it is the exact same context as bolt escape. If it isn't acceptable for bolt escape, it isn't acceptable for cloak.
(f) The premise that by making small adjustments to cloak it will ruin the class is absurd. Nightblades have some of if not the best CC, highest damage, and resource management in the game.

This has never been about my individual interactions with nightblades. It has entirely been about the excessive capacity to evade damage and groups.

So when do we get to your agenda of vilifying me to make me look like some type of anti-nightblade neo-*** because I simply want to provide balance to the discussion?

I'm sorry if you don't like my opinions. But at least take the time to learn what my position is.

If anything, this seems to be a common thread among nightblades who read and respond to my posts. I'm not out to get you. I'm not the boogieman of nightblades here to steal their nightblade children. I'm not the official head of nerf nightblades anonymous. Personally, I think its a little pathetic how many straw man arguments I am bombarded with where first I'm accused of wanting nightblades nerfed into uselessness, and then attacked personally about my ability to play on the basis of that false argument.

Also, I don't really see what you are getting at by quoting a thread in which I simply ask which I should roll. At no point did I make any sort of nerfing argument in that thread; I was genuinely curious which people prefer.

TLDR: Read my the posts before you JACUSE you lazy a55 hat.

First thread you ever made was about getting killed by NB's and you didn't know what to do lol
Do you or do you not want cloak nerfed? ugh yea you do, post you made today:

Cathexis wrote: »

Just nerf cloak.

one of my favorite from you:

Cathexis wrote: »

...I run 8 counters and none provide a distinct advantage...

WTF you running 8 counters for lol

hmmmm... did you just compare bolt and cloak? But here you said this:

Cathexis wrote: »

Really the comparison between bolt and cloak is also the wrong comparison. Really the comparison should be between bolt and teleport strike, and cloak and hardened ward...

Anyways, you want cloak nerfed, plain and simple you made this poll to strengthen your argument anytime a thread goes against your agenda. Anytime your agenda is losing in a poll or thread you bring up your"findings" to try and disprove that thread or poll.Idk, is it like cool to make text like this or something. IDC if you have an opinion , have your opinion man, you do you! I never even said I disagreed with your opinion did I? What I do disagree with is the manner in wich you share your "data"

Cathexis wrote: »

@SleepyTroll Actually no the sample does currently indicate that roughly 64% of the forum are active nightblades. If you look closely.

Right here this is the problem. "64% of the players are active NBs", your poll doesn't say that anywhere now does it? It says 32% of players "are" a NB.
These is the literal translation of your poll:

32% of players main a NB( For you so its a little simpler. This means 32% of players "are" a NB)

33% of players play a NB along with, the other classes (relatively) equally( For you so its a little simpler. This means 33% of players are NOT a NB there are a mix of classes.)

21% Have a NB and rarely play it( simple terms for you. This means 21% of players are not even playing there NB as much as there other characters, Wich makes them NOT NBs)

7% dont have a NB(simple terms for you. 7% of players are NOT a NB)

4% dont play a NB and think they are scum( simple terms for you. 4% of players are NOT a NB)

So lets see, 32% of players are a NB. Ok we got that. Now if you think for a second if you look at the simple terms for you the last 4 points of your data can be added together wich gives us 65% percent of players NOT being NBs(in your terms)

Start putting this in threads to show your data.

*Side note, why does the poll only go to 97%?

YOU WANT CLOAK NERFED, AND THATS FINE, BUT DONT SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION

Just one thing to add, this poll is also a self-selecting sample. Of course nightblades will click on this thread to vote at a higher rate than templars and sorc players only.

I am genuinely curious why people make this assumption -- surely the question do you have a nightblade bares equal weight to players with and without nightblades. The question isn't misleading, it doesnt imply anything about having a nightblade or not having a nightblade, and the poll is anonymous. I can't see why it wouldn't attract people who don't have nightblades any more than people who do. Despite the options being somewhat more elaborate, its fundamentally a yes or no question.

Lava_Croft · October 2015

Selection bias most definitely plays a role in a poll named "Do you play a Nightblade".

Cathexis · October 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Selection bias most definitely plays a role in a poll named "Do you play a Nightblade".

@Lava_Croft
Really? So how would you ask that question without selection bias then. I don't see how you can discern whether or not a player plays a nightblade without asking them if they play a nightblade.

I'll happily retitle the thread if you have a less biased title. That is more than fair. Also you can't premise that the results would still be skewed with a new title if, given infinite time, the thread exists to be polled. The previous responses are not fundamentally falsified by the title bias, as the questions certainly do represent an unbiased selection of responses..

edit; there I've non-biased the title.

thechampxo · October 2015

Nightblade is my first character over level 10 and it's my only character now which is vet 16 and will probably never roll another account, yet they're pretty fun to play very squishy but also a lot of players have rolled them to jump on the band wagon which annoys me, same as the hunter on destiny my first account and main.

SleepyTroll · October 2015

Cathexis wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Selection bias most definitely plays a role in a poll named "Do you play a Nightblade".

@Lava_Croft
Really? So how would you ask that question without selection bias then. I don't see how you can discern whether or not a player plays a nightblade without asking them if they play a nightblade.

I'll happily retitle the thread if you have a less biased title. That is more than fair. Also you can't premise that the results would still be skewed with a new title if, given infinite time, the thread exists to be polled. The previous responses are not fundamentally falsified by the title bias, as the questions certainly do represent an unbiased selection of responses..

What class do you play the most? What class is your main? What class are you (so the players can label them selves and not you) and then simply list the 4 classes. Should not be anonymous so as not to have people vote to inflate numbers.
Oh and 1 option for: I am a player who plays more then one class equally.

Cathexis · October 2015

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Selection bias most definitely plays a role in a poll named "Do you play a Nightblade".

@Lava_Croft
Really? So how would you ask that question without selection bias then. I don't see how you can discern whether or not a player plays a nightblade without asking them if they play a nightblade.

I'll happily retitle the thread if you have a less biased title. That is more than fair. Also you can't premise that the results would still be skewed with a new title if, given infinite time, the thread exists to be polled. The previous responses are not fundamentally falsified by the title bias, as the questions certainly do represent an unbiased selection of responses..

What class do you play the most? What class is your main? What class are you (so the players can label them selves and not you) and then simply list the 4 classes. Should not be anonymous so as not to have people vote to inflate numbers.

@SleepyTroll
The thread is not dedicated to determining how many people play what classes. It examines the forum population of nightblades only. What don't you get about this?

If you only have one account you can only vote once. I hardly think that people are buying more copies of ESO just to inflate a forum poll.

I thought you left. Please, go away, and don't come back to continue to hijack my thread with your nightblade conspiracy theories.

SleepyTroll · October 2015

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Selection bias most definitely plays a role in a poll named "Do you play a Nightblade".

@Lava_Croft
Really? So how would you ask that question without selection bias then. I don't see how you can discern whether or not a player plays a nightblade without asking them if they play a nightblade.

I'll happily retitle the thread if you have a less biased title. That is more than fair. Also you can't premise that the results would still be skewed with a new title if, given infinite time, the thread exists to be polled. The previous responses are not fundamentally falsified by the title bias, as the questions certainly do represent an unbiased selection of responses..

What class do you play the most? What class is your main? What class are you (so the players can label them selves and not you) and then simply list the 4 classes. Should not be anonymous so as not to have people vote to inflate numbers.

@SleepyTroll
The thread is not dedicated to determining how many people play what classes. It examines the forum population of nightblades only. What don't you get about this?

If you only have one account you can only vote once. I hardly think that people are buying more copies of ESO just to inflate a forum poll.

I thought you left. Please, go away, and don't come back to continue to hijack my thread with your nightblade conspiracy theories.

Your some kinda "interesting" aren't you. People who want NB's nerfed can vote for nb to Inflate there numbers so when you go and link this in a post it invalidates the counter arguments to the nerfs since there all "whining" NBs(this can go the other way to and the NB's can vote the other way to inflate the other choices). Your poll is biased, wasn't that what the question was?

Cathexis · October 2015

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Selection bias most definitely plays a role in a poll named "Do you play a Nightblade".

@Lava_Croft
Really? So how would you ask that question without selection bias then. I don't see how you can discern whether or not a player plays a nightblade without asking them if they play a nightblade.

I'll happily retitle the thread if you have a less biased title. That is more than fair. Also you can't premise that the results would still be skewed with a new title if, given infinite time, the thread exists to be polled. The previous responses are not fundamentally falsified by the title bias, as the questions certainly do represent an unbiased selection of responses..

What class do you play the most? What class is your main? What class are you (so the players can label them selves and not you) and then simply list the 4 classes. Should not be anonymous so as not to have people vote to inflate numbers.

@SleepyTroll
The thread is not dedicated to determining how many people play what classes. It examines the forum population of nightblades only. What don't you get about this?

If you only have one account you can only vote once. I hardly think that people are buying more copies of ESO just to inflate a forum poll.

I thought you left. Please, go away, and don't come back to continue to hijack my thread with your nightblade conspiracy theories.

Your some kinda "interesting" aren't you. People who want NB's nerfed can vote for nb to Inflate there numbers so when you go and link this in a post it invalidates the counter arguments to the nerfs since there all "whining" NBs(this can go the other way to and the NB's can vote the other way to inflate the other choices). Your poll is biased, wasn't that what the question was?

No, it wasn't, certainly not to you. I changed the title to a non-biased title. The poll does not represent other classes. Players play more than individual classes, even if they have mains. The poll acknowledges and identifies this population as not just one but two seperate, distinct population of yes responses, and an additional neutral option.

It would be convenient for your argument to simply reduce the discussion to mains, as it doesn't take into consideration that there are many players with active nightblades who do not use them as a main. This poll accounts for that. Not only that, it accounts for it in a very specific manner.

As for people falsifying their answers, if you think that falsifying their answer somehow benefits or does not benefit the nightblade cause, you're delusional. It doesn't. It is, however, something to consider when you look at the internal politics of the forum. It doesn't validate or invalidate arguments, it merely acknowledges that there is a higher than average nightblade population. If you are so insecure about the results that this bothers you, that says something about your agenda.

You want to go by players who identify as nightblades directly, read the responses, and do a breakdown from those. Odds are it will be statistically representative of the poll results.

Jennifur_Vultee · October 2015

I have and play a Nightblade but its just one of my characters. I was playing as a NB tank until the IC patch but with the nerf to stamina regen I converted her to the standard pattern dual weild/bow NB ZOS seems to want you to play. I really didn't want to make the change from a magic based NB tank to a stamina DPS but after playing my DK tank I really saw little choice. So much for "play how you like", thanks ZOS for taking away our choices and forcing us into cookie cutter builds.

SleepyTroll · October 2015

If you even thought about your poll for a second. All it really does, (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and add the first two poll options) is show that out of the entire forum 133 are NBs.

Cathexis · October 2015

SleepyTroll wrote: »

If you even thought about your poll for a second. All it really does, (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and add the first two poll options) is show that out of the entire forum 133 are NBs.

This is how I imagine you lay awake at night:

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newtinmpls · October 2015

Cathexis wrote: »

@KundaliniHero
If the majority of players play a nightblade as either their main or one of their significant characters, it does stand to reason that the forum is biased in favor of cloak and/or that nightblades are currently the favored fotm. Currently 68% of players polled are active nightblades.

Just because you dont like the results of the poll doesn't make then statistically insignificant.

Well.... I think that the conclusions drawn here don't reflect the poll on this thread. If the question read "do you play NB as either your main or one of your signifigant characters" then you could say that was what any 'yes' meant. The fact that one of the responses is about multiple classes in rotation - without specifying anything about which ones or rotating how often - means the data are incomplete to address this question.

If you want to then jump to an unrelated topic - bias - then you need a poll that addresses folks' opinions on cloak.

While I do play some NBs, I don't have any past about 10th level, and don't have a lot of PvP experience playing them. Since when I PvP I either use or am in a party with someone using magelight, I have no problem with cloak. My biggest frustration (opposing NB characters) is fear.

Wolfahm · October 2015

Main and only character since beta tell now..made healer to help friends that joined the game.

Cathexis · October 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

@KundaliniHero
If the majority of players play a nightblade as either their main or one of their significant characters, it does stand to reason that the forum is biased in favor of cloak and/or that nightblades are currently the favored fotm. Currently 68% of players polled are active nightblades.

Just because you dont like the results of the poll doesn't make then statistically insignificant.

Well.... I think that the conclusions drawn here don't reflect the poll on this thread. If the question read "do you play NB as either your main or one of your signifigant characters" then you could say that was what any 'yes' meant. The fact that one of the responses is about multiple classes in rotation - without specifying anything about which ones or rotating how often - means the data are incomplete to address this question.

If you want to then jump to an unrelated topic - bias - then you need a poll that addresses folks' opinions on cloak.

While I do play some NBs, I don't have any past about 10th level, and don't have a lot of PvP experience playing them. Since when I PvP I either use or am in a party with someone using magelight, I have no problem with cloak. My biggest frustration (opposing NB characters) is fear.

You are right in that it could go deeper within the perspective of how much players play in rotation, however I think that it covers it reasonably well; you either play enough that its your main, play it as much as any other class, play it rarely, or not at all.

With regard to it being a poll about cloak, that was never the agenda for the thread. I have repeated this on several occasions already; it is merely to create a representative sample to confirm or disconfirm the potential for forum bias in favor of nightblades.

That doesn't mean all nightblades think they are god mode and shouldn't be nerfed. It just infers that there is a higher than average population of nightblades, which creates an environment that potentially favors nightblade agendas.

People don't understand this, and are coming in here with their insecurities and vomiting them all over the thread.

Olen_Mikko · October 2015

I have been NB since the beginning of my ESO career. I have seen the dark days of a poor nb.

I played NB before it was cool and mainstream.

olsborg · October 2015

I played a sorc exclusively up until september, then started a nb, now its my main because its so much fun in IC, and IC is like a nbs playground. Once orsinium hits ill go back to my sorc and cyrodiil.

SleepyTroll · October 2015

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

If you even thought about your poll for a second. All it really does, (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and add the first two poll options) is show that out of the entire forum 133 are NBs.

This is how I imagine you lay awake at night:

Great argument man. Was hoping you would tell me how I was wrong

Cathexis · October 2015

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

If you even thought about your poll for a second. All it really does, (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and add the first two poll options) is show that out of the entire forum 133 are NBs.

This is how I imagine you lay awake at night:

Great argument man. Was hoping you would tell me how I was wrong

Please see post #83 and return to vacating this thread.

SlappyThePoptart · October 2015

KundaliniHero wrote: »

Judging by your activity in everything "nerf cloak" related I cant help but think that this is more of a "troll poll" to somehow analyze or prove that the majority of players on these forums are in fact nightblades who we all know are responsible for spreading vicious lies about how cloak is not overpowered and also eating peoples babies. The other perspective could be to prove that nightblades are overpowered because according to this statistically insignificant poll everyone has one. The truth is out there.

And all NB smell like cat pee!

SleepyTroll · October 2015

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

If you even thought about your poll for a second. All it really does, (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and add the first two poll options) is show that out of the entire forum 133 are NBs.

This is how I imagine you lay awake at night:

Great argument man. Was hoping you would tell me how I was wrong

Please see post #83 and return to vacating this thread.

That post doest say I'm wrong? It only says this ain't about cloak.

Cathexis · October 2015

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

If you even thought about your poll for a second. All it really does, (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and add the first two poll options) is show that out of the entire forum 133 are NBs.

This is how I imagine you lay awake at night:

Great argument man. Was hoping you would tell me how I was wrong

Please see post #83 and return to vacating this thread.

That post doest say I'm wrong? It only says this ain't about cloak.

... Why would I say you're wrong -- you are clearly delusional, and are only willing to believe what you want, no matter how many times I explicitly explain the intent and meaning of the thread.

Its not about mains.
Its not about players' class preference.
Its not about slandering or nerfing nightblades.

You brought those things to the discussion here.

SleepyTroll · October 2015

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

If you even thought about your poll for a second. All it really does, (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and add the first two poll options) is show that out of the entire forum 133 are NBs.

This is how I imagine you lay awake at night:

Great argument man. Was hoping you would tell me how I was wrong

Please see post #83 and return to vacating this thread.

That post doest say I'm wrong? It only says this ain't about cloak.

... Why would I say you're wrong -- you are clearly delusional, and are only willing to believe what you want, no matter how many times I explicitly explain the intent and meaning of the thread.

Its not about mains.
Its not about players' class preference.
Its not about slandering or nerfing nightblades.

You brought those things to the discussion here.

What? That's not what I'm talking about lol now your just going off on a tangent. See post number 79 to get caught up in are current discussion. Your a little behind