Do you or do you not play a nightblade?

Olen_Mikko

Since the day i started ESO, all i have played is NB. And all i will play is NB.

So i played NB before it was cool and mainstream

Zorgon_The_Revenged

elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Nightblade_(Daggerfall)

ChefZero

Playing NB since headstart. My first build was 2h and heavy armor, maybe the worst build at this time.
Played every possible build now, also the only useful hybrid build, cause of softcaps and 0 staminabased class abilities. Maybe hybrid builds will come back with 3600 CPs.

Cathexis

KundaliniHero wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

KundaliniHero wrote: »

Judging by your activity in everything "nerf cloak" related I cant help but think that this is more of a "troll poll" to somehow analyze or prove that the majority of players on these forums are in fact nightblades who we all know are responsible for spreading vicious lies about how cloak is not overpowered and also eating peoples babies. The other perspective could be to prove that nightblades are overpowered because according to this statistically insignificant poll everyone has one. The truth is out there.

@KundaliniHero
If the majority of players play a nightblade as either their main or one of their significant characters, it does stand to reason that the forum is biased in favor of cloak and/or that nightblades are currently the favored fotm. Currently 68% of players polled are active nightblades.

Just because you dont like the results of the poll doesn't make then statistically insignificant.

I was just commenting on the hidden agenda, I am indifferent to the results of the poll because 102 players is in fact an insignificant number when compared to the eso gaming community as a whole, just keep that in mind when you go back to your "nerf cloak" forums, it wont serve as accurate data to back up the continued whine fest the subject has become. I can however suggest this forum as it seems this guy knows what he's talking about:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/225245/nerf-cloak-but-its-stamblade-damage-that-is-op-explanation#latest

At the very least it brings a different perspective to the table which imo has more validity based on my own experience.

@KundaliniHero
My agenda was hardly hidden. I was polling the forum population to see if nightblades are either overrepresented or underrepresented.

Cathexis wrote: »

Just curious about the nightblade population on the forums.

Do you play a nightblade? Poll is anonymous.

Turns out, the majority of the sample shows that nightblades are overrepresented. I never claimed that this poll is representative of the greater population. The forum population of nightblades claiming newbs/counters/poor players are to blame rather than the imbalance of cloak turns out to potentially represent the vast majority of players making posts here. I think that's something to consider about the pro-cloak lobby on these forums; even if you don't think its accurate data, it is still likely to be a reflective sample. Especially when you consider that the margin of nightblades to non-nigtblades is almost 9:1, and active nightblades represent a ratio of 2:1. Thats a pretty big skew to be totally inaccurate.

Also if anything they should be fixing the teleport strike damage exploit (which I will not be posting the details of here).

Master_Kas

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

retired my nb since 1.5 and the chang of my favourite abilitys into stamina abilitys

Stop ... Memories

Ontopic: main is nb, has been since I started playing in july last year, but lately I play My sorcerer more than My nb.

Nb to troll/knock people of edges & with My raid (tornadobot )
Sorcerer for solo / small groups

Wollust

Cathexis wrote: »

KundaliniHero wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

KundaliniHero wrote: »

Judging by your activity in everything "nerf cloak" related I cant help but think that this is more of a "troll poll" to somehow analyze or prove that the majority of players on these forums are in fact nightblades who we all know are responsible for spreading vicious lies about how cloak is not overpowered and also eating peoples babies. The other perspective could be to prove that nightblades are overpowered because according to this statistically insignificant poll everyone has one. The truth is out there.

@KundaliniHero
If the majority of players play a nightblade as either their main or one of their significant characters, it does stand to reason that the forum is biased in favor of cloak and/or that nightblades are currently the favored fotm. Currently 68% of players polled are active nightblades.

Just because you dont like the results of the poll doesn't make then statistically insignificant.

I was just commenting on the hidden agenda, I am indifferent to the results of the poll because 102 players is in fact an insignificant number when compared to the eso gaming community as a whole, just keep that in mind when you go back to your "nerf cloak" forums, it wont serve as accurate data to back up the continued whine fest the subject has become. I can however suggest this forum as it seems this guy knows what he's talking about:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/225245/nerf-cloak-but-its-stamblade-damage-that-is-op-explanation#latest

At the very least it brings a different perspective to the table which imo has more validity based on my own experience.

@KundaliniHero
My agenda was hardly hidden. I was polling the forum population to see if nightblades are either overrepresented or underrepresented.

Cathexis wrote: »

Just curious about the nightblade population on the forums.

Do you play a nightblade? Poll is anonymous.

Turns out, the majority of the sample shows that nightblades are overrepresented. I never claimed that this poll is representative of the greater population. The forum population of nightblades claiming newbs/counters/poor players are to blame rather than the imbalance of cloak turns out to potentially represent the vast majority of players making posts here. I think that's something to consider about the pro-cloak lobby on these forums; even if you don't think its accurate data, it is still likely to be a reflective sample. Especially when you consider that the margin of nightblades to non-nigtblades is almost 9:1, and active nightblades represent a ratio of 2:1. Thats a pretty big skew to be totally inaccurate.

Also if anything they should be fixing the teleport strike damage exploit (which I will not be posting the details of here).

This here is never gonna be representative for the forumpopulation simply because this thread attracts nightblades and player who have multiple characters. Why should a pure DK/Templar/Sorc even take a look at this thread? The only way to get reliable data would be to make a neutral poll, but definitely not something like this.

So no, you can't say anything about the "NB" lobby with this poll.

Cathexis

Wollust wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

KundaliniHero wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

KundaliniHero wrote: »

Judging by your activity in everything "nerf cloak" related I cant help but think that this is more of a "troll poll" to somehow analyze or prove that the majority of players on these forums are in fact nightblades who we all know are responsible for spreading vicious lies about how cloak is not overpowered and also eating peoples babies. The other perspective could be to prove that nightblades are overpowered because according to this statistically insignificant poll everyone has one. The truth is out there.

@KundaliniHero
If the majority of players play a nightblade as either their main or one of their significant characters, it does stand to reason that the forum is biased in favor of cloak and/or that nightblades are currently the favored fotm. Currently 68% of players polled are active nightblades.

Just because you dont like the results of the poll doesn't make then statistically insignificant.

I was just commenting on the hidden agenda, I am indifferent to the results of the poll because 102 players is in fact an insignificant number when compared to the eso gaming community as a whole, just keep that in mind when you go back to your "nerf cloak" forums, it wont serve as accurate data to back up the continued whine fest the subject has become. I can however suggest this forum as it seems this guy knows what he's talking about:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/225245/nerf-cloak-but-its-stamblade-damage-that-is-op-explanation#latest

At the very least it brings a different perspective to the table which imo has more validity based on my own experience.

@KundaliniHero
My agenda was hardly hidden. I was polling the forum population to see if nightblades are either overrepresented or underrepresented.

Cathexis wrote: »

Just curious about the nightblade population on the forums.

Do you play a nightblade? Poll is anonymous.

Turns out, the majority of the sample shows that nightblades are overrepresented. I never claimed that this poll is representative of the greater population. The forum population of nightblades claiming newbs/counters/poor players are to blame rather than the imbalance of cloak turns out to potentially represent the vast majority of players making posts here. I think that's something to consider about the pro-cloak lobby on these forums; even if you don't think its accurate data, it is still likely to be a reflective sample. Especially when you consider that the margin of nightblades to non-nigtblades is almost 9:1, and active nightblades represent a ratio of 2:1. Thats a pretty big skew to be totally inaccurate.

Also if anything they should be fixing the teleport strike damage exploit (which I will not be posting the details of here).

This here is never gonna be representative for the forumpopulation simply because this thread attracts nightblades and player who have multiple characters. Why should a pure DK/Templar/Sorc even take a look at this thread? The only way to get reliable data would be to make a neutral poll, but definitely not something like this.

So no, you can't say anything about the "NB" lobby with this poll.

That's clearly wrong since the question do you have a nightblade is entirely open ended. The question isn't do you only like nightblades or do you hate nightblades. The question is: do you have one? You either do or you don't. Pretty straight forward. Open for anyone to answer. Not only that but I also tried to make it balanced by offering degrees within yes or no, in spite of the question being really a yes or no answer.

SleepyTroll

Since the other thread the OP brought this up in got locked I would like to point out to the op that: 32% of players main NB. K got that now there are 4 classes (although who the *** mains DK anymore unless they are stamina) that only puts NB slightly above the other classes since you know you wanted to make it seem like your poll represent the entire forum.

Cathexis

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Since the other thread the OP brought this up in got locked I would like to point out to the op that: 32% of players main NB. K got that now there are 4 classes (although who the *** mains DK anymore unless they are stamina) that only puts NB slightly above the other classes since you know you wanted to make it seem like your poll represent the entire forum.

@SleepyTroll false I have explicitly stated this is a representative sample, not a direct representation of the forums. It's indicative of the player base, not a direct correlation.

SleepyTroll

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Since the other thread the OP brought this up in got locked I would like to point out to the op that: 32% of players main NB. K got that now there are 4 classes (although who the *** mains DK anymore unless they are stamina) that only puts NB slightly above the other classes since you know you wanted to make it seem like your poll represent the entire forum.

@SleepyTroll false I have explicitly stated this is a representative sample, not a direct representation of the forums. It's indicative of the player base, not a direct correlation.

You literally keep going on other posts and saying 64% of forums sample are NB's that's a blatant lie. 64% of players have NB's 32% of players main them don't tweak your own poll to fit your needs or you lose all credibility.

Cathexis

@SleepyTroll Actually no the sample does currently indicate that roughly 64% of the forum are active nightblades. If you look closely.

LoreRiley

Wheres thw option for always been a NB and didnt just roll one because now everyone is a freaking nb

SleepyTroll

Cathexis wrote: »

@SleepyTroll Actually no the sample does currently indicate that roughly 64% of the forum are active nightblades. If you look closely.

No it doesn't it indicates that the small number of players who even cared about your poll 32% main NB and 32% have them and equally play them as much as the other classes. Every time you bring this poll up in a post you try and make it seem like 64% of the forums is a NB when that's not true becuase 32% of your tiny little poll play all classes. You interpret the poll for your own needs not the truth.

Soulac

Nightblade only.
I got a sorc as well, but u play it so often that most people don't even know that I got one.
It's my PvE slave..

Shunravi

Why would I ever vote here?

Lava_Croft

Nice, a Nerf Nightblade thread that tries to mask itself as something different.

You'll have to come up with something better than this.

Ganj

Hey since there are so many people play nightblade lets nerf it!

Cathexis

Shunravi wrote: »

Why would I ever vote here?

Because you aren't afraid that nightblades actually represent a large fraction of posters?

Because nightblades representing a majority isn't, in and of itself, a bad thing?

The reason nightblades have a problem with this thread is because it acknowledges the systemic bias. In reality, it doesn't actually implicate anything. The fear of being exposed implicates a lot more than voting does. If the forums arent biased, what do you have to hide?

I have a lot more respect for the nightblades who weren't afraid to vote.

Cathexis

Ganj wrote: »

Hey since there are so many people play nightblade lets nerf it!

I don't support this response, however when nightblades represent a majority of players, maybe that's something to consider a problem. If the majority of players want to play one class because it provides a significant advantage, that's definitely a problem.

Poll update
88% of players have a nightblade.
66% of players have an actively played nightblade.
34% of players play the nightblade as their main.

SleepyTroll

Cathexis wrote: »

Ganj wrote: »

Hey since there are so many people play nightblade lets nerf it!

I don't support this response, however when nightblades represent a majority of players, maybe that's something to consider a problem. If the majority of players want to play one class because it provides a significant advantage, that's definitely a problem.

Poll update
88% of players have a nightblade.
66% of players have an actively played nightblade.
34% of players play the nightblade as their main.

34% of players main NB is the only important number. That means it's only slightly above the other 4. I bet 66% of players have played dk also and sorc and templar. And I bet almost 88% of all players have everyother class to so wtf is you point? It should have just asked what class do you main?

Cathexis wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Why would I ever vote here?

Because you aren't afraid that nightblades actually represent a large fraction of posters?

Because nightblades representing a majority isn't, in and of itself, a bad thing?

I have a lot more respect for the nightblades who weren't afraid to vote.

1 this is not a large fraction, AND what constitutes a player being a NB? Maining one? Then I'm not one. Or just having one? Cuz I guess I'm a dknbsorctemp, since I play them all.

2. Every post you tag this in you make it seem like it's a bad thing.
3. I voted for the I play every class, yet to you I'm a NB when I'm not.
4. Did I mention your poll is horribly desined.

Cathexis

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Ganj wrote: »

Hey since there are so many people play nightblade lets nerf it!

I don't support this response, however when nightblades represent a majority of players, maybe that's something to consider a problem. If the majority of players want to play one class because it provides a significant advantage, that's definitely a problem.

Poll update
88% of players have a nightblade.
66% of players have an actively played nightblade.
34% of players play the nightblade as their main.

34% of players main NB is the only important number. That means it's only slightly above the other 4. Your poll sucks. I bet 66% of players have played dk also and sorc and templar. And I bet almost 88% of all players have everyother class to so wtf is you point? It should have just asked what class do you main?

Cathexis wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Why would I ever vote here?

Because you aren't afraid that nightblades actually represent a large fraction of posters?

Because nightblades representing a majority isn't, in and of itself, a bad thing?

I have a lot more respect for the nightblades who weren't afraid to vote.

1 this is not a large fraction, AND what constitutes a player being a NB? Maining one? CuZ then I'm not one. Or just having one? Cuz I guess I'm a dknbsorctemp, since I play them all.

2. Every post you tag this in you make it seem like it's a bad thing.
3. I voted for the I play every class, yet to you I'm a NB when I'm not.
4. Did I mention your poll *** sucks.

No I actually explicitly stated the difference between having a main as a nightblade in the poll as a different category. And just because you play all 4 characters doesn't make you suddenly less of a player who plays nightblades. The nightblades who come in here accusing me of having an agenda are the ones who are insecure about the poll results. As I've said before just because you don't like the results doesn't make the results wrong. I'm not infering that being a nightblade is bad. What I am doing is shedding light on how the nightblade is represented as a class by players within the forums. The truth is, there is no data beyond this poll. Also, just because data explains a reasonable hypothesis doesn't mean it isn't data worth reviewing. I won't say you are wrong that the 32% of players who play classes equally also have other classes. But this poll doesn't examine that. That isn't the focus of the poll. Nor is it to dictate people's opinions on the nightblade.

The poll doesn't suck. It examined exactly what it intended to examine. The potential bias toward players playing nightblades. If you are mad about poll data, you should really consider adjusting your attitude because no matter how hard you scream at a representative poll that it sucks, it won't change the end results.

SleepyTroll

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Ganj wrote: »

Hey since there are so many people play nightblade lets nerf it!

I don't support this response, however when nightblades represent a majority of players, maybe that's something to consider a problem. If the majority of players want to play one class because it provides a significant advantage, that's definitely a problem.

Poll update
88% of players have a nightblade.
66% of players have an actively played nightblade.
34% of players play the nightblade as their main.

34% of players main NB is the only important number. That means it's only slightly above the other 4. Your poll sucks. I bet 66% of players have played dk also and sorc and templar. And I bet almost 88% of all players have everyother class to so wtf is you point? It should have just asked what class do you main?

Cathexis wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Why would I ever vote here?

Because you aren't afraid that nightblades actually represent a large fraction of posters?

Because nightblades representing a majority isn't, in and of itself, a bad thing?

I have a lot more respect for the nightblades who weren't afraid to vote.

1 this is not a large fraction, AND what constitutes a player being a NB? Maining one? CuZ then I'm not one. Or just having one? Cuz I guess I'm a dknbsorctemp, since I play them all.

2. Every post you tag this in you make it seem like it's a bad thing.
3. I voted for the I play every class, yet to you I'm a NB when I'm not.
4. Did I mention your poll *** sucks.

No I actually explicitly stated the difference between having a main as a nightblade in the poll as a different category. And just because you play all 4 characters doesn't make you suddenly less of a player who plays nightblades. The nightblades who come in here accusing me of having an agenda are the ones who are insecure about the poll results. As I've said before just because you don't like the results doesn't make the results wrong. I'm not infering that being a nightblade is bad. What I am doing is shedding light on how the nightblade is represented as a class by players within the forums. The truth is, there is no data beyond this poll. Also, just because data explains a reasonable hypothesis doesn't mean it isn't data worth reviewing. I won't say you are wrong that the 32% of players who play classes equally also have other classes. But this poll doesn't examine that. That isn't the focus of the poll. Nor is it to dictate people's opinions on the nightblade.

The poll doesn't suck. It examined exactly what it intended to examine. The potential bias toward players playing nightblades. If you are mad about poll data, you should really consider adjusting your attitude because no matter how hard you scream at a representative poll that it sucks, it won't change the end results.

Dude you have been hating on NB's ever since your first postep you ever made on the forums. You make these little posts to seem normal Olde innocent posts but really there nerf posts. The is not the first one you have created like this.http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/198752/stamina-or-magicka-nightblade/p1
You do have an agenda. You do, you literally do. Like litterally. Your agenda is blatantly obvious. You want NB's nerfed becuase ever since july 2014 they have been kicking your ass.

Korah_Eaglecry

My main is a DK Tank but Ive been leveling up a StamNB with friends. Ive always played DPS in other MMOs and decided to roll a different class and role. But now that Im playing my StamNB. Its like picking up that crackpipe again. I cant put it down. The build is far from optimized but its still very much fun.

Cathexis

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Ganj wrote: »

Hey since there are so many people play nightblade lets nerf it!

I don't support this response, however when nightblades represent a majority of players, maybe that's something to consider a problem. If the majority of players want to play one class because it provides a significant advantage, that's definitely a problem.

Poll update
88% of players have a nightblade.
66% of players have an actively played nightblade.
34% of players play the nightblade as their main.

34% of players main NB is the only important number. That means it's only slightly above the other 4. Your poll sucks. I bet 66% of players have played dk also and sorc and templar. And I bet almost 88% of all players have everyother class to so wtf is you point? It should have just asked what class do you main?

Cathexis wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Why would I ever vote here?

Because you aren't afraid that nightblades actually represent a large fraction of posters?

Because nightblades representing a majority isn't, in and of itself, a bad thing?

I have a lot more respect for the nightblades who weren't afraid to vote.

1 this is not a large fraction, AND what constitutes a player being a NB? Maining one? CuZ then I'm not one. Or just having one? Cuz I guess I'm a dknbsorctemp, since I play them all.

2. Every post you tag this in you make it seem like it's a bad thing.
3. I voted for the I play every class, yet to you I'm a NB when I'm not.
4. Did I mention your poll *** sucks.

No I actually explicitly stated the difference between having a main as a nightblade in the poll as a different category. And just because you play all 4 characters doesn't make you suddenly less of a player who plays nightblades. The nightblades who come in here accusing me of having an agenda are the ones who are insecure about the poll results. As I've said before just because you don't like the results doesn't make the results wrong. I'm not infering that being a nightblade is bad. What I am doing is shedding light on how the nightblade is represented as a class by players within the forums. The truth is, there is no data beyond this poll. Also, just because data explains a reasonable hypothesis doesn't mean it isn't data worth reviewing. I won't say you are wrong that the 32% of players who play classes equally also have other classes. But this poll doesn't examine that. That isn't the focus of the poll. Nor is it to dictate people's opinions on the nightblade.

The poll doesn't suck. It examined exactly what it intended to examine. The potential bias toward players playing nightblades. If you are mad about poll data, you should really consider adjusting your attitude because no matter how hard you scream at a representative poll that it sucks, it won't change the end results.

Dude you have been hating on NB's ever since your first postep you ever made on the forums. You make these little posts to seem normal Olde innocent posts but really there nerf posts. The is not the first one you have created like this.http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/198752/stamina-or-magicka-nightblade/p1
You do have an agenda. You do, you literally do. Like litterally. Your agenda is blatantly obvious. You want NB's nerfed becuase ever since july 2014 they have been kicking your ass.

@SleepyTroll
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I have not been hating on nightblades since I joined the forums. In fact, a lot of players claim to hate nightblades. Anyone who gets jumped by a nightblade is going to curse out nightblades. I didn't invent that. And no, they havent been kicking my ass. I routinely stomp nightblades. I love when they repeatedly attack me with teleport strike to no avail as i continuously heal through their teleport strikes while they get raked on by the rest of the group. Or hitting them twice with wrecking blow and watching them melt.

I myself have a nightblade. I don't play him often, but I have one. Why? Because they are blatantly OP right now and not rolling one at this point would be silly.

Also if you actually read my posts you would see what my current angle is with regard to nightblades -- I have explicitly stated in the "nerf damage" threads I do not think nightblade damage is overpowered in its currenty state on live. I think it is a little high, it might need a slight adjustment, but generally damage is not the problem. With regard to cloak I have also explicitly stated that I do not think that ALL nightblades who use cloak are overpowered. I have explicitly stated my complaint about nightblade cloak which is that

(a) Around mobs it is a get out of jail free card
(b) It can be used to evade entire groups indefinitely and avoid damage
(c) Running an entire bar of counters and potions can be completely inadequate (not ALWAYS but it can be)
(d) Contrary to the voice of nightblades on the forums, cloak allows you to purge, heal, AND wind up for the next attack
(e) The entire premise that bolt escape was nerfed on was that it allowed the player the absolute control over dictating the terms of the start AND end of the battle, regardless of the many counters that were voiced in forum. Cloak allows for the same control; it is the exact same context as bolt escape. If it isn't acceptable for bolt escape, it isn't acceptable for cloak.
(f) The premise that by making small adjustments to cloak it will ruin the class is absurd. Nightblades have some of if not the best CC, highest damage, and resource management in the game.

This has never been about my individual interactions with nightblades. It has entirely been about the excessive capacity to evade damage and groups.

So when do we get to your agenda of vilifying me to make me look like some type of anti-nightblade neo-*** because I simply want to provide balance to the discussion?

I'm sorry if you don't like my opinions. But at least take the time to learn what my position is.

If anything, this seems to be a common thread among nightblades who read and respond to my posts. I'm not out to get you. I'm not the boogieman of nightblades here to steal their nightblade children. I'm not the official head of nerf nightblades anonymous. Personally, I think its a little pathetic how many straw man arguments I am bombarded with where first I'm accused of wanting nightblades nerfed into uselessness, and then attacked personally about my ability to play on the basis of that false argument.

Also, I don't really see what you are getting at by quoting a thread in which I simply ask which I should roll. At no point did I make any sort of nerfing argument in that thread; I was genuinely curious which people prefer.

TLDR: Read my the posts before you JACUSE you lazy a55 hat.

Cody

I have played Sorcs to a lengthy extent, and a DK to a smaller extent. I fiddled with a templar a long time ago, but could not get into it:( I am playing a mana DK right now in fact. I have to say its good fun.

Let the hate comments commence! unfortunately for all you would be trolls, I will not see them until tomorrow:D

Akinos

I voted no, I don't have one.

I prefer classes that require some sort of skill and thought as opposed to sneaking around like a coward and casting 5 skills at once on players riding their horse, doing enough damage to kill them twice before they hit the ground, without any chance of defending themselves.




*equips nightblade repelling flame suit*

SleepyTroll

@Cathexis

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Ganj wrote: »

Hey since there are so many people play nightblade lets nerf it!

I don't support this response, however when nightblades represent a majority of players, maybe that's something to consider a problem. If the majority of players want to play one class because it provides a significant advantage, that's definitely a problem.

Poll update
88% of players have a nightblade.
66% of players have an actively played nightblade.
34% of players play the nightblade as their main.

34% of players main NB is the only important number. That means it's only slightly above the other 4. Your poll sucks. I bet 66% of players have played dk also and sorc and templar. And I bet almost 88% of all players have everyother class to so wtf is you point? It should have just asked what class do you main?

Cathexis wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Why would I ever vote here?

Because you aren't afraid that nightblades actually represent a large fraction of posters?

Because nightblades representing a majority isn't, in and of itself, a bad thing?

I have a lot more respect for the nightblades who weren't afraid to vote.

1 this is not a large fraction, AND what constitutes a player being a NB? Maining one? CuZ then I'm not one. Or just having one? Cuz I guess I'm a dknbsorctemp, since I play them all.

2. Every post you tag this in you make it seem like it's a bad thing.
3. I voted for the I play every class, yet to you I'm a NB when I'm not.
4. Did I mention your poll *** sucks.

No I actually explicitly stated the difference between having a main as a nightblade in the poll as a different category. And just because you play all 4 characters doesn't make you suddenly less of a player who plays nightblades. The nightblades who come in here accusing me of having an agenda are the ones who are insecure about the poll results. As I've said before just because you don't like the results doesn't make the results wrong. I'm not infering that being a nightblade is bad. What I am doing is shedding light on how the nightblade is represented as a class by players within the forums. The truth is, there is no data beyond this poll. Also, just because data explains a reasonable hypothesis doesn't mean it isn't data worth reviewing. I won't say you are wrong that the 32% of players who play classes equally also have other classes. But this poll doesn't examine that. That isn't the focus of the poll. Nor is it to dictate people's opinions on the nightblade.

The poll doesn't suck. It examined exactly what it intended to examine. The potential bias toward players playing nightblades. If you are mad about poll data, you should really consider adjusting your attitude because no matter how hard you scream at a representative poll that it sucks, it won't change the end results.

Dude you have been hating on NB's ever since your first postep you ever made on the forums. You make these little posts to seem normal Olde innocent posts but really there nerf posts. The is not the first one you have created like this.http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/198752/stamina-or-magicka-nightblade/p1
You do have an agenda. You do, you literally do. Like litterally. Your agenda is blatantly obvious. You want NB's nerfed becuase ever since july 2014 they have been kicking your ass.

@SleepyTroll
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I have not been hating on nightblades since I joined the forums. In fact, a lot of players claim to hate nightblades. Anyone who gets jumped by a nightblade is going to curse out nightblades. I didn't invent that. And no, they havent been kicking my ass. I routinely stomp nightblades. I love when they repeatedly attack me with teleport strike to no avail as i continuously heal through their teleport strikes while they get raked on by the rest of the group. Or hitting them twice with wrecking blow and watching them melt.

I myself have a nightblade. I don't play him often, but I have one. Why? Because they are blatantly OP right now and not rolling one at this point would be silly.

Also if you actually read my posts you would see what my current angle is with regard to nightblades -- I have explicitly stated in the "nerf damage" threads I do not think nightblade damage is overpowered in its currenty state on live. I think it is a little high, it might need a slight adjustment, but generally damage is not the problem. With regard to cloak I have also explicitly stated that I do not think that ALL nightblades who use cloak are overpowered. I have explicitly stated my complaint about nightblade cloak which is that

(a) Around mobs it is a get out of jail free card
(b) It can be used to evade entire groups indefinitely and avoid damage
(c) Running an entire bar of counters and potions can be completely inadequate (not ALWAYS but it can be)
(d) Contrary to the voice of nightblades on the forums, cloak allows you to purge, heal, AND wind up for the next attack
(e) The entire premise that bolt escape was nerfed on was that it allowed the player the absolute control over dictating the terms of the start AND end of the battle, regardless of the many counters that were voiced in forum. Cloak allows for the same control; it is the exact same context as bolt escape. If it isn't acceptable for bolt escape, it isn't acceptable for cloak.
(f) The premise that by making small adjustments to cloak it will ruin the class is absurd. Nightblades have some of if not the best CC, highest damage, and resource management in the game.

This has never been about my individual interactions with nightblades. It has entirely been about the excessive capacity to evade damage and groups.

So when do we get to your agenda of vilifying me to make me look like some type of anti-nightblade neo-*** because I simply want to provide balance to the discussion?

I'm sorry if you don't like my opinions. But at least take the time to learn what my position is.

If anything, this seems to be a common thread among nightblades who read and respond to my posts. I'm not out to get you. I'm not the boogieman of nightblades here to steal their nightblade children. I'm not the official head of nerf nightblades anonymous. Personally, I think its a little pathetic how many straw man arguments I am bombarded with where first I'm accused of wanting nightblades nerfed into uselessness, and then attacked personally about my ability to play on the basis of that false argument.

Also, I don't really see what you are getting at by quoting a thread in which I simply ask which I should roll. At no point did I make any sort of nerfing argument in that thread; I was genuinely curious which people prefer.

TLDR: Read my the posts before you JACUSE you lazy a55 hat.

First thread you ever made was about getting killed by NB's and you didn't know what to do lol
Do you or do you not want cloak nerfed? ugh yea you do, post you made today:

Cathexis wrote: »

Just nerf cloak.

one of my favorite from you:

Cathexis wrote: »

...I run 8 counters and none provide a distinct advantage...

WTF you running 8 counters for lol

hmmmm... did you just compare bolt and cloak? But here you said this:

Cathexis wrote: »

Really the comparison between bolt and cloak is also the wrong comparison. Really the comparison should be between bolt and teleport strike, and cloak and hardened ward...

Anyways, you want cloak nerfed, plain and simple you made this poll to strengthen your argument anytime a thread goes against your agenda. Anytime your agenda is losing in a poll or thread you bring up your"findings" to try and disprove that thread or poll.Idk, is it like cool to make text like this or something. IDC if you have an opinion , have your opinion man, you do you! I never even said I disagreed with your opinion did I? What I do disagree with is the manner in wich you share your "data"

Cathexis wrote: »

@SleepyTroll Actually no the sample does currently indicate that roughly 64% of the forum are active nightblades. If you look closely.

Right here this is the problem. "64% of the players are active NBs", your poll doesn't say that anywhere now does it? It says 32% of players "are" a NB.
These is the literal translation of your poll:

• 32% of players main a NB( For you so its a little simpler. This means 32% of players "are" a NB)
• 33% of players play a NB along with, the other classes (relatively) equally( For you so its a little simpler. This means 33% of players are NOT a NB there are a mix of classes.)
• 21% Have a NB and rarely play it( simple terms for you. This means 21% of players are not even playing there NB as much as there other characters, Wich makes them NOT NBs)
• 7% dont have a NB(simple terms for you. 7% of players are NOT a NB)
• 4% dont play a NB and think they are scum( simple terms for you. 4% of players are NOT a NB)
• So lets see, 32% of players are a NB. Ok we got that. Now if you think for a second if you look at the simple terms for you the last 4 points of your data can be added together wich gives us 65% percent of players NOT being NBs(in your terms)

Start putting this in threads to show your data.

*Side note, why does the poll only go to 97%?

YOU WANT CLOAK NERFED, AND THATS FINE, BUT DONT SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION

SleepyTroll

Akinos wrote: »

I voted no, I don't have one.

I prefer classes that require some sort of skill and thought as opposed to sneaking around like a coward and casting 5 skills at once on players riding their horse, doing enough damage to kill them twice before they hit the ground, without any chance of defending themselves.




*equips nightblade repelling flame suit*

Im not a NB( have one but not the ganky type). But Sorcs, and DKs can do this to...

DK: charged heavy attack followed by Silver Leash, followed by Silver Leash.(camo hunter and molten)

Sorc: Snipe/lethal arrow, charge heavy fallowed by Silver Leash(Snipe plus these will hit at the exact same time), followed by Silver Leash.(camo hunter proc)

Templar could probably do this to. Just saying.

Angarato

bought the game with the intention of playing a nb. dont care if theyre over or under powered. i always play hunter/assassin/barbarian or other type of medium/light armor fast melee dps type characters

IKilled007

Been a NB since beta when it was a broken mess of a class and stuck with it. It's the only toon I play.