Camofluage hunter acting up again?

1Grumpy_dunmer1

So I'm a vampire dk and today in cyrodill I was walking about just minding my business and my health bar instantly dropped all the way down to maybe 1000 health then I get finished off with a light attack. The night blade was in stealth when he hit me. How can I counter this? I'm guessing just cure vampirism and retire my dk from pvp for good. Bats swarm is the only ultimate worth using as magicka dk. Standard is just too costly and the others don't return enough resourses. This is the first Time I've been one-shotted since patch. I feel I'm already gimped enough being magicka dk then this crap again.

SirAndy

Where does the "Camofluage hunter" come into play? I don't see any mentioning in your post, only in the title.

melodeath

ive had several people today asking me if i macro or not because they got (one)shotted by me..
but alot of people dont seem to know that glass canon builds are still present wich most likely will include camo hunter.

i dont know if camo hunter is bugged but when you'r running 4.5k+weap dmg and someone is minding their own businnes without any defence up than..yes.. you will die in less than a second.

1Grumpy_dunmer1

This is what's happening light attack, camo hunter, light attack, camo hunter, light attack and I'm dead QUICK! It doesn't even seem there is enough time to get these attacks in? It's probably 2 seconds from noticing my health dive to then being dead. I just don't get why zos comes up with these combos that are just no skill involved dumb crap. I have a lot of time into my character I guess I just have to start over or grind for gear and gold to buy all stamina gear and get rid of vampirism. B.S. IN MY OPINION.

Jbugz97

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

So I'm a vampire dk and today in cyrodill I was walking about just minding my business and my health bar instantly dropped all the way down to maybe 1000 health then I get finished off with a light attack. The night blade was in stealth when he hit me. How can I counter this? I'm guessing just cure vampirism and retire my dk from pvp for good. Bats swarm is the only ultimate worth using as magicka dk. Standard is just too costly and the others don't return enough resourses. This is the first Time I've been one-shotted since patch. I feel I'm already gimped enough being magicka dk then this crap again.

so i became a vamp about 2 weeks ago, and i cured vamp yesterday just because this ,i barely ever get one shotted . but being a vamp and someone hits you with cam hunter or the other morph it was just to much damage.

Diamond_10

Double camo hunter from stealth = gg vampire.
Everyone is onto it now

1Grumpy_dunmer1

Yeah I'dk thinking im just switching to stam and curing vamp. It's really gonna hurt my playstyle with ought batswarm. : ( not really interested in playing stamina but I guess to have a good heal and damage with rally vigor and uppercut you have too. Not saying magicka dk is useless but solo there is just no way to kill someone with ought being spotted by the zurg. With all my skills lacking dps fights just go too long.

1Grumpy_dunmer1

Diamond_10 wrote: »

Double camo hunter from stealth = gg vampire.
Everyone is onto it now

I hope not but I'm sure it won't be long.

Johngo0036

I am a NB and use the following:

From Stealth i buff up:
Rally, hunter, relentess focus
Draw a heavy attack,
press silver shard button,
block,
silvershard,

Not many vamps make it past the 2nd silvershard.

I dont think camohunter is playing up,
as mine procs now and again and when it does i get a 40k damage

Jura23

Easy solution. Be in stealth so nobody in stealth can hit you since they don't see you. I'm a vampire too btw.

Docmandu

melodeath wrote: »

ive had several people today asking me if i macro or not because they got (one)shotted by me..
but alot of people dont seem to know that glass canon builds are still present wich most likely will include camo hunter.

i dont know if camo hunter is bugged but when you'r running 4.5k+weap dmg and someone is minding their own businnes without any defence up than..yes.. you will die in less than a second.

Indeed.. the thing they set out to fix with 2.x, actually is still there... I've had my fair share of instagib moments on my vamp.. camo hunter, silver shards from buffed up NBs... just yesterday got insta hit for 18k damage, while having RML up, wearing 5 medium armor / 2 heavy (15k phys resists, all VR16)... by the time I was able to react, the last 8k of my health was gone.

Not really fun, but not much you can do about it but /release and run back.

lynog85

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Yeah I'dk thinking im just switching to stam and curing vamp. It's really gonna hurt my playstyle with ought batswarm. : ( not really interested in playing stamina but I guess to have a good heal and damage with rally vigor and uppercut you have too. Not saying magicka dk is useless but solo there is just no way to kill someone with ought being spotted by the zurg. With all my skills lacking dps fights just go too long.

why do you have to switch to stam because youre curing vampirism?

oibam

Solution: Radiant Magelight (protects nearby allies as well)

Stop flaming, when there is a very powerful counter. Oh yes, I know, you don't want to loose some dps...

1Grumpy_dunmer1

lynog85 wrote: »

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Yeah I'dk thinking im just switching to stam and curing vamp. It's really gonna hurt my playstyle with ought batswarm. : ( not really interested in playing stamina but I guess to have a good heal and damage with rally vigor and uppercut you have too. Not saying magicka dk is useless but solo there is just no way to kill someone with ought being spotted by the zurg. With all my skills lacking dps fights just go too long.

why do you have to switch to stam because youre curing vampirism?

Since a magicka dk can't do damage I have to rely on my ultimate to stay alive. If I go stamina wb all day huge dps. And a better heal with rally vigor.

1Grumpy_dunmer1

oibam wrote: »

Solution: Radiant Magelight (protects nearby allies as well)

Stop flaming, when there is a very powerful counter. Oh yes, I know, you don't want to loose some dps...

Wouldn't loose dps all I have for that is flame lash. Burning embers is decent but too easily countered. I Also forgot about the morph that reduced stealth damage I may try this. Just deciding what to remove.
Bar 1
Burning embers
Invasion
Defensive stance
Talons
Flame lash

Bar 2
Blessing of restoration
Petrify
Obsidian shield
Hardened armor
Purge/entropy.

Batswarm ultimate on both bars since cost of standard of might went up. Nothing else really does a good job of returning resourses.
I'll probably remove purge and burning embers.
Solo pvp is difficult with ought batswarm. It's one of the only ways I have to finish someone off.

1Grumpy_dunmer1

Docmandu wrote: »

melodeath wrote: »

ive had several people today asking me if i macro or not because they got (one)shotted by me..
but alot of people dont seem to know that glass canon builds are still present wich most likely will include camo hunter.

i dont know if camo hunter is bugged but when you'r running 4.5k+weap dmg and someone is minding their own businnes without any defence up than..yes.. you will die in less than a second.

Indeed.. the thing they set out to fix with 2.x, actually is still there... I've had my fair share of instagib moments on my vamp.. camo hunter, silver shards from buffed up NBs... just yesterday got insta hit for 18k damage, while having RML up, wearing 5 medium armor / 2 heavy (15k phys resists, all VR16)... by the time I was able to react, the last 8k of my health was gone.

Not really fun, but not much you can do about it but /release and run back.

Definitely not fun.

danno8

Someone mentioned in another thread that if you can get 2 or more attacks to land in the same .49s interval they will all proc Camouflage Hunter, since the "While in Stealth" bonus does not have a 2.5 cooldown. So usually a heavy attack clipped with something else.

oibam wrote: »

Solution: Radiant Magelight (protects nearby allies as well)

Stop flaming, when there is a very powerful counter. Oh yes, I know, you don't want to loose some dps...

It reduces the damage bonus from stealth for the initial attack but does it also reduce the Camouflage Hunter proc by 56%? Since they show up as 2 different entries I'm not sure.

Gunphu

If you're a vamp just be prepared to get insta killed. Camo hunter is an instant 11k + damage now add the initial heavy attack 6k+and a execute or silvershard animation canceled and you had .1 seconds to react or your dead. These made up numbers I used are relatively low and can be significantly higher.

melodeath

my replie from the other topic as i'm 99% sure that this is what causing it


actually now that im thinking about it..

their actually is a bug but it doesnt really have much to do with camo hunter but with stealth attacks in general.

1:if you have enough damage and you do a stealth attack on a mob (oneshotting it) than you will remain in stealth..
2: if you charge up a stealth heavy attack and immediatly do a suprise attack than the suprise attack will still end up as if it was used from stealth and ends up stunning the target.
meaning that if you use heavy attack first and an abbility after (without even having to animation cancel it) you will end up with 2 stealth attacks thus having 2 camo procs since stealth procs against vamps have 100%

pretty sure thats whats causing it.

Angarato

what i notice is that it procs twice on my opener (dual wield) making it abit too OP. they should fix that

1Grumpy_dunmer1

Angarato wrote: »

what i notice is that it procs twice on my opener (dual wield) making it abit too OP. they should fix that

Yeah the person one shooting me was using dual wield

WillhelmBlack

1 DW heavy attack procs it twice.

Docmandu

oibam wrote: »

Solution: Radiant Magelight (protects nearby allies as well)

Stop flaming, when there is a very powerful counter. Oh yes, I know, you don't want to loose some dps...

Like I mentioned in this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2364504/#Comment_2364504

RML + Sentry + 15-18K phys resists.. still get hit with 18K bursts, leaving 8K HP to "deal with it"

Alcast

Easy to instgib ppl with a NB.

Charge Camo+Relentless focus.
Snipe>LA>Ambush= Hit all at the same time + camoproc

And then Surrise attack ani canceled right after to RIP the enemy.
To answer your question What to do? Nothing, just die or get 40k hp

check out my vid, its also easy with DK > *CLICKME*

In the end you basically can instgib with pretty much ANY class on vamps if they do not block or do not have 25k HP+

1Grumpy_dunmer1

Alcast wrote: »

Easy to instgib ppl with a NB.

Charge Camo+Relentless focus.
Snipe>LA>Ambush= Hit all at the same time + camoproc

And then Surrise attack ani canceled right after to RIP the enemy.
To answer your question What to do? Nothing, just die or get 40k hp

check out my vid, its also easy with DK > *CLICKME*

In the end you basically can instgib with pretty much ANY class on vamps if they do not block or do not have 25k HP+

You can instakill as long as you play stamina?

DeanTheCat

Alcast wrote: »

Easy to instgib ppl with a NB.

Charge Camo+Relentless focus.
Snipe>LA>Ambush= Hit all at the same time + camoproc

And then Surrise attack ani canceled right after to RIP the enemy.
To answer your question What to do? Nothing, just die or get 40k hp

check out my vid, its also easy with DK > *CLICKME*

In the end you basically can instgib with pretty much ANY class on vamps if they do not block or do not have 25k HP+

@Alcast:

You forgot to mention Radiant Magelight. Jaybe tried to do that to me yesterday using your build. He only hit me for round 15k damage (Yes, I'm a vamp), which meant that I had time to react and escape. Though the next time he tried that, he brought JLN along as well. Died as it was a 2v1, but I brought JLN to the grave with me

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Easy to instgib ppl with a NB.

Charge Camo+Relentless focus.
Snipe>LA>Ambush= Hit all at the same time + camoproc

And then Surrise attack ani canceled right after to RIP the enemy.
To answer your question What to do? Nothing, just die or get 40k hp

check out my vid, its also easy with DK > *CLICKME*

In the end you basically can instgib with pretty much ANY class on vamps if they do not block or do not have 25k HP+

You can instakill as long as you play stamina?

You can instakill with any high damage spec, so long as your enemy is... mentally challenged enough to stand there and eat your damage. The Inevitable Detonation + Velocitious Curse + Entropy + Crystal Fragment proc combo comes to mind. Also certain Templars are known to kill people in a single jab combo.

Johngo0036

@oibam - Use your radiant Magelight..... lol... aint gonna save you from that kinda damage.... don't have to be close to you either so you won't even know i am there

Johngo0036

@Angarato - it procs twice if you attack from stealth i memory serves me right..

DeanTheCat

Johngo0036 wrote: »

@oibam - Use your radiant Magelight..... lol... aint gonna save you from that kinda damage.... don't have to be close to you either so you won't even know i am there

@Johngo0036:

I have yet to be instakilled from sneak while I was at full health by any ganker relying on Camo Hunter ever since I started using RML 8 months ago. And yes, I'm a vamp, but I build to counter my weakness (Hello Hardy CP passive). I think you know that better then me when you last attempted to do just that to me.

RML works. It gives you that 2 seconds extra that you need to fight back. Failure to react in time when you have RML protecting you is your fault and not that of the RML. Especially since it also negates the stun + crit from stealth.

olsborg

Camo hunter + from stealth, and you can quite easily kill 30k hp vamps instantly. Camo hunter needs to have a cooldown, I can get 3-4 proccs in about 2 seconds..its ridiculous.

Johngo0036

@DeanTheCat - I haven't tried the camo hunter thing on you yet... lol...

But you make a very valid point in stating that it can be countered via CP Passives..

I would actually like to test my build on you from sneak and see what it does,

I'll whisper you ingame and we can test it.. how does that sound..