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I will be sincerely disappointed in ZoS's common sense if they nerf Cloak.
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JDar✭✭✭✭✭The_Outsider wrote: »jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »Go play Nightblade.
In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.
It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.
And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.
What Stamina users gain in damage, they lose in the inability to spam Cloak.
Also, most people wrongly assume that Cloak is just an insta-win. An avoid all damage and pressure at the push of a button. This is not the case. Cloak must be combined with positioning, situational awareness, Line-of-Sight, and a few earnest prayers that your enemies don't slot counters, to even be effective.
Also most of the NBs posting here are doing so in response to either the forum-wide non-NB QQ, or the reply given by ZOS that they are considering nerfs. That is the definition of feedback.
...And players have realized that through the use of positioning, line of sight, situational awareness, and movement speed buffs, they can effectively remain cloaked and avoid damage indefinitely which is the real problem.
Also I have heard players in TS bragging about how good cloak spam with maneuvers is.
Also you are still plugging magelight as a counter? Now you can really smell the BS.
The reason cloak is so good with Rapid Maneuvers is because of Concealed Weapon. It gives the bonus, it is not inherent in cloak.
edit: totally screwed up the quoteEdited by JDar on 12 October 2015 06:241 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭and a flat weapon damage glyph can by applied to weapons. Magicka users get nothing comparable to these. Also, Hardy reduces magic damage by a percent, and there is no percentage physical damage mitigation CP.
These disparities need to be repaired before ANY facet of magicka nb is touched.
This has been brought up to ZOS alot, nothing seems to happen about this imbalance tho. Sadly.
Edited by olsborg on 12 October 2015 06:34
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babanovac✭✭✭Go play Nightblade.
In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.
It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.
And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.
Go play anything else but a Nightblade. You will see that AoEs and potions are useless against them.
Sorry man, but because of how cloak works right now, we are playing Elder Nighblades Online. Every 8 out of 10 players is a NB because of how OP they are in PvP.4 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Go play Nightblade.
In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.
It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.
And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.
Go play anything else but a Nightblade. You will see that AoEs and potions are useless against them.
Sorry man, but because of how cloak works right now, we are playing Elder Nighblades Online. Every 8 out of 10 players is a NB because of how OP they are in PvP.
I've been using Radiant Magelight (instead of piercing mark and one other skill) to fight all kinds of NB (as a magblade). The only way I could get this to work better is by running a gap closer, I apply some slows and roots, and use AoE to keep them out of stealth if they do nothing but try to escape the detect radius while throwing in some single target when open (if I'm in a group, they're dead confirmed). If they do manage to escape, good for them. I treat that like any other NB that gets away with piercing mark on him, or a Sorc that shields and runs too far.
Radiant Magelight shines best when the NB is actually engaging you in combat. It's a perfect counter in those situations, shoot off one AoE if they get too far and use a gap closer to get back in their face. No excuses, the skill just works.Edited by OdinForge on 12 October 2015 13:25The Age of Wrobel.1 -
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✭✭✭Go play Nightblade.
In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.
It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.
And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.
Go play anything else but a Nightblade. You will see that AoEs and potions are useless against them.
Sorry man, but because of how cloak works right now, we are playing Elder Nighblades Online. Every 8 out of 10 players is a NB because of how OP they are in PvP.
From my own field testing, if I hit a nb with mark and then have allies attack them, a large number will run in one direction spamming cloak despite it clearly not working (because of the mark). I believe that these situations are the ones that make a large number of the "cloak doesn't work" threads. As for the person you replied to, really, a cloaked nb is doing no damage? Yah, they are recovering, repositioning, and getting ready for an other round of burst damage, unless you are talking about the nb's that I noted above.0 -
AshTal✭✭✭✭I am wondering how much will change when the CP cap comes in. I was fighting a NB today, me plus a DK and it was almost impossible for us to come any where close to killing him. As soon as he got low he vanished then came back on full health. We hit him with everything and just couldn't do enough damage, then he managed to crit the DK a few times killed him and I had to run.
In the end it took 4 lv 16 VETS to kill 1 lv 16 VET
This isn't an issue with cloak being too powerful or NB's being god mode but anyone seeing this would instantly want them nerfed but the same happens against uber DKs, Sorcs or Templars. There is always a few people regardless of class who make their class seem uber powerful.1 -
revonine✭✭✭✭Go play Nightblade.
In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.
It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.
And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.
Go play anything else but a Nightblade. You will see that AoEs and potions are useless against them.
Sorry man, but because of how cloak works right now, we are playing Elder Nighblades Online. Every 8 out of 10 players is a NB because of how OP they are in PvP.
I've been using Radiant Magelight (instead of piercing mark and one other skill) to fight all kinds of NB (as a magblade). The only way I could get this to work better is by running a gap closer, I apply some slows and roots, and use AoE to keep them out of stealth if they do nothing but try to escape the detect radius while throwing in some single target when open (if I'm in a group, they're dead confirmed). If they do manage to escape, good for them. I treat that like any other NB that gets away with piercing mark on him, or a Sorc that shields and runs too far.
Radiant Magelight shines best when the NB is actually engaging you in combat. It's a perfect counter in those situations, shoot off one AoE if they get too far and use a gap closer to get back in their face. No excuses, the skill just works.
It's actually more satisfying to have a ganker run away with his/her tail between their legs after they threw they're best combo at you and it wasn't enough. At least for me. So what if you didn't kill him instead. He's still FAILED and he knows it.1 -
revonine✭✭✭✭I am wondering how much will change when the CP cap comes in. I was fighting a NB today, me plus a DK and it was almost impossible for us to come any where close to killing him. As soon as he got low he vanished then came back on full health. We hit him with everything and just couldn't do enough damage, then he managed to crit the DK a few times killed him and I had to run.
In the end it took 4 lv 16 VETS to kill 1 lv 16 VET
This isn't an issue with cloak being too powerful or NB's being god mode but anyone seeing this would instantly want them nerfed but the same happens against uber DKs, Sorcs or Templars. There is always a few people regardless of class who make their class seem uber powerful.
Magicka or Stamina NB? I suppose it could be either if he has a crap tonne of CP into quick recovery or bastion his heals would be very powerful.
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✭✭A guildy of mine told me last night about a conversation he observed in Legend chat this past weekend.
Apparently, some dude was complaining about Cloak being OP, and when asked if he was using AoEs or detect pots or Magelight or Mark to counter it, he said he shouldn't have to use those tools if he doesn't want to and that they should just nerf Cloak because it's annoying to play against.
Is this really the level of debate that we're up against here?
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✭✭A guildy of mine told me last night about a conversation he observed in Legend chat this past weekend.
Apparently, some dude was complaining about Cloak being OP, and when asked if he was using AoEs or detect pots or Magelight or Mark to counter it, he said he shouldn't have to use those tools if he doesn't want to and that they should just nerf Cloak because it's annoying to play against.
Is this really the level of debate that we're up against here?
Yes it is
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revonine✭✭✭✭A guildy of mine told me last night about a conversation he observed in Legend chat this past weekend.
Apparently, some dude was complaining about Cloak being OP, and when asked if he was using AoEs or detect pots or Magelight or Mark to counter it, he said he shouldn't have to use those tools if he doesn't want to and that they should just nerf Cloak because it's annoying to play against.
Is this really the level of debate that we're up against here?
Yep. Ingame at least. But most on the forums at least provide counterarguments you can debate them on instead of "because I said so".
ZOS caters for these people the most though since they're the loudest and often threaten to unsub, quit etc if their demands aren't met.0 -
KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭A guildy of mine told me last night about a conversation he observed in Legend chat this past weekend.
Apparently, some dude was complaining about Cloak being OP, and when asked if he was using AoEs or detect pots or Magelight or Mark to counter it, he said he shouldn't have to use those tools if he doesn't want to and that they should just nerf Cloak because it's annoying to play against.
Is this really the level of debate that we're up against here?
Yep. Ingame at least. But most on the forums at least provide counterarguments you can debate them on instead of "because I said so".
ZOS caters for these people the most though since they're the loudest and often threaten to unsub, quit etc if their demands aren't met.
the logic doe Kena
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revonine✭✭✭✭A guildy of mine told me last night about a conversation he observed in Legend chat this past weekend.
Apparently, some dude was complaining about Cloak being OP, and when asked if he was using AoEs or detect pots or Magelight or Mark to counter it, he said he shouldn't have to use those tools if he doesn't want to and that they should just nerf Cloak because it's annoying to play against.
Is this really the level of debate that we're up against here?
Yep. Ingame at least. But most on the forums at least provide counterarguments you can debate them on instead of "because I said so".
ZOS caters for these people the most though since they're the loudest and often threaten to unsub, quit etc if their demands aren't met. the logic doe
I can only imagine the QQ in PC zone chat over different things. I don't ahve this on console though so I only get opinions if I ask directly. And to be honest the people I have asked sure they find cloak annoying, but they also find templar heals, DK flappy flap wings, Bolt escape, Hardened Ward etc etc annoying xD
A friend of mine thought Dk flappy wings was annoying. So what did he do? started levelling a DK to see what the fuss was all about instead of just crying nerf lol. I did the same with Sorc.Edited by revonine on 12 October 2015 16:360 -
KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭A guildy of mine told me last night about a conversation he observed in Legend chat this past weekend.
Apparently, some dude was complaining about Cloak being OP, and when asked if he was using AoEs or detect pots or Magelight or Mark to counter it, he said he shouldn't have to use those tools if he doesn't want to and that they should just nerf Cloak because it's annoying to play against.
Is this really the level of debate that we're up against here?
Yep. Ingame at least. But most on the forums at least provide counterarguments you can debate them on instead of "because I said so".
ZOS caters for these people the most though since they're the loudest and often threaten to unsub, quit etc if their demands aren't met. the logic doe
I can only imagine the QQ in PC zone chat over different things. I don't ahve this on console though so I only get opinions if I ask directly.
It's actually not terrible. I rarely see much QQ on issues of balance, and on the occasion that someone does get to be annoying, I can permanently mute them. I have a short muted list, but I do use it when necessary. Kena
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Francis_Toliver✭✭✭Go play Nightblade.
In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.
It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.
And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.
Go play anything else but a Nightblade. You will see that AoEs and potions are useless against them.
Sorry man, but because of how cloak works right now, we are playing Elder Nighblades Online. Every 8 out of 10 players is a NB because of how OP they are in PvP.
I've been using Radiant Magelight (instead of piercing mark and one other skill) to fight all kinds of NB (as a magblade). The only way I could get this to work better is by running a gap closer, I apply some slows and roots, and use AoE to keep them out of stealth if they do nothing but try to escape the detect radius while throwing in some single target when open (if I'm in a group, they're dead confirmed). If they do manage to escape, good for them. I treat that like any other NB that gets away with piercing mark on him, or a Sorc that shields and runs too far.
Radiant Magelight shines best when the NB is actually engaging you in combat. It's a perfect counter in those situations, shoot off one AoE if they get too far and use a gap closer to get back in their face. No excuses, the skill just works.
It's actually more satisfying to have a ganker run away with his/her tail between their legs after they threw they're best combo at you and it wasn't enough. At least for me. So what if you didn't kill him instead. He's still FAILED and he knows it.
Or better yet, have your DK chain him back repeatedly while he panics. Nothing so fun as killing a nightblade that can't quite get away. I love my group DK's controls, her class may be nerfed but when it comes to controlling an opponent like a fleeing nightblade, she still shines so nice!! In combination with my Radiant Magelight I don't see a problem dealing with gankers. Again its more a matter of learning what works (Mark is the best, Radiant Magelight/chains works well, AOE's are doable) and learning to use those skills to good effect.0 -
KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Francis_Toliver wrote: »Go play Nightblade.
In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.
It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.
And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.
Go play anything else but a Nightblade. You will see that AoEs and potions are useless against them.
Sorry man, but because of how cloak works right now, we are playing Elder Nighblades Online. Every 8 out of 10 players is a NB because of how OP they are in PvP.
I've been using Radiant Magelight (instead of piercing mark and one other skill) to fight all kinds of NB (as a magblade). The only way I could get this to work better is by running a gap closer, I apply some slows and roots, and use AoE to keep them out of stealth if they do nothing but try to escape the detect radius while throwing in some single target when open (if I'm in a group, they're dead confirmed). If they do manage to escape, good for them. I treat that like any other NB that gets away with piercing mark on him, or a Sorc that shields and runs too far.
Radiant Magelight shines best when the NB is actually engaging you in combat. It's a perfect counter in those situations, shoot off one AoE if they get too far and use a gap closer to get back in their face. No excuses, the skill just works.
It's actually more satisfying to have a ganker run away with his/her tail between their legs after they threw they're best combo at you and it wasn't enough. At least for me. So what if you didn't kill him instead. He's still FAILED and he knows it.
Or better yet, have your DK chain him back repeatedly while he panics. Nothing so fun as killing a nightblade that can't quite get away. I love my group DK's controls, her class may be nerfed but when it comes to controlling an opponent like a fleeing nightblade, she still shines so nice!! In combination with my Radiant Magelight I don't see a problem dealing with gankers. Again its more a matter of learning what works (Mark is the best, Radiant Magelight/chains works well, AOE's are doable) and learning to use those skills to good effect.
DKs do great in groups! They are only poor(ish) in 1vX situations and at escaping losing fights. 1v1 and group-v-group they still shine just fine from what I've seen.
Also, that NB needs to cloak those chains. ;PEdited by KenaPKK on 12 October 2015 17:15Kena
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revonine✭✭✭✭Francis_Toliver wrote: »Go play Nightblade.
In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.
It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.
And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.
Go play anything else but a Nightblade. You will see that AoEs and potions are useless against them.
Sorry man, but because of how cloak works right now, we are playing Elder Nighblades Online. Every 8 out of 10 players is a NB because of how OP they are in PvP.
I've been using Radiant Magelight (instead of piercing mark and one other skill) to fight all kinds of NB (as a magblade). The only way I could get this to work better is by running a gap closer, I apply some slows and roots, and use AoE to keep them out of stealth if they do nothing but try to escape the detect radius while throwing in some single target when open (if I'm in a group, they're dead confirmed). If they do manage to escape, good for them. I treat that like any other NB that gets away with piercing mark on him, or a Sorc that shields and runs too far.
Radiant Magelight shines best when the NB is actually engaging you in combat. It's a perfect counter in those situations, shoot off one AoE if they get too far and use a gap closer to get back in their face. No excuses, the skill just works.
It's actually more satisfying to have a ganker run away with his/her tail between their legs after they threw they're best combo at you and it wasn't enough. At least for me. So what if you didn't kill him instead. He's still FAILED and he knows it.
Or better yet, have your DK chain him back repeatedly while he panics. Nothing so fun as killing a nightblade that can't quite get away. I love my group DK's controls, her class may be nerfed but when it comes to controlling an opponent like a fleeing nightblade, she still shines so nice!! In combination with my Radiant Magelight I don't see a problem dealing with gankers. Again its more a matter of learning what works (Mark is the best, Radiant Magelight/chains works well, AOE's are doable) and learning to use those skills to good effect.
DKs do great in groups! They are only poor(ish) in 1vX situations and at escaping losing fights. 1v1 and group-v-group they still shine just fine from what I've seen.
Also, that NB needs to cloak those chains. ;P
Nah if there's a detect pot active the chaining is inevitable xD
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✭✭✭✭I'm one of the best PvP magicka nightblade players in the game, actually.
That's a pretty ballsy statement for someone I've never heard of.
Any good nightblade requires overload for me to kill them as well. Magicka nightblades especially (for magicka sorc that is). You think killing a magicka nightblade spamming healing ward is possible with Crushing Shock or velocious curse? haha. When you get those squirrelly buggers nailed down going Palpatine in their ass is advisable. Zeus approves.Lava_Croft wrote: »These Nightblades require you to use Overload to be able to kill them?
What.
I don't believe in Nerfing anything but no one even knows *what* the nerf is, and it really isn't going to screw the whole class.
The sorc playstyle has changed dramatically and the entire "kite your enemy" strat I employed was gutted by the Bolt Escape nerfs, but I've adjusted and am still successful (still 1vXing easier than on my NB). If cloak is nerfed, the good nightblades will adjust and be just as successful.
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭^ RML is a great counter.. It reveals cloaked units nearby, and it halves all damage incoming from stealthed enemies for you AND nearby allies.
That's half damage from any Clouding Swarmers too. It's quite strong.
RML dmg reduction and stun protection is only working against sneak attacks and is not working against attacks from invisibility granted by cloak AT ALL.
But thanks for you comment.Edited by Derra on 12 October 2015 17:50<Noricum>
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KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭^ RML is a great counter.. It reveals cloaked units nearby, and it halves all damage incoming from stealthed enemies for you AND nearby allies.
That's half damage from any Clouding Swarmers too. It's quite strong.
RML dmg reduction and stun protection is only working against sneak attacks and is not working against attacks from invisibility granted by cloak AT ALL.
But thanks for you comment.
If this is true, I was not aware. That is not working as intended based on my understanding... Regardless, that's a problem to fix with Radiant, not Cloak.Kena
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✭✭✭^ RML is a great counter.. It reveals cloaked units nearby, and it halves all damage incoming from stealthed enemies for you AND nearby allies.
That's half damage from any Clouding Swarmers too. It's quite strong.
RML dmg reduction and stun protection is only working against sneak attacks and is not working against attacks from invisibility granted by cloak AT ALL.
But thanks for you comment.
I will vouch for this, many times i've been stunned by a nb who ducks into cloak then hits me with surprise attack.0 -
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✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »/drinks
Yet another "cloak isn't OP thread". Maybe cloak wouldn't be so bad if it's "counters" weren't total garbage. Sure you can go to any guild trader and buy a detect potion but thing is the best one only last for 16 seconds and is only usable at veteran rank 15. That doesn't help out level 10s or 32s or 46s or VR1s and so on.
And what nerf you talking about? You mean the no magicka regen while under it's effect? Yea alot of good that's gonna do just look at blocking and 0 stamina regen players still able to perma block for 5 minutes.
Well, I mean it takes a little skill to use some of the counters, just like it takes a little skill (mostly time) to kill a tank using block.Go play Nightblade.
In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.
It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.
And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.
Go play anything else but a Nightblade. You will see that AoEs and potions are useless against them.
Sorry man, but because of how cloak works right now, we are playing Elder Nighblades Online. Every 8 out of 10 players is a NB because of how OP they are in PvP.
You think AoEs and potions are usless against them?
My magicka DK uses potions (only needed if they try to run), my stam sorc uses steel tornado (mostly, also lightning form) and my nightblade uses sap (also lotus and potions) to counter cloak.
Its funny fighting other nightblades with mine, cloak -> sap -> cloak sap cloak sap, maybe a lotus thrown in there or bats. Potion if they get out of range. It is not hard.
If you want to run a single target only build, and you don't want to use detect pots, then you have NO business complaining.Edited by Domander on 12 October 2015 23:351 -
catalyst10e✭✭✭✭I see a lot of people claim cloak is a NB only defense, but I've only ever seen it used offensively. Magelight (Which, lets be honest, should be on anyways) only helps so much, and in my experience you end up having to be so close to see them, that it's too late and their on you. If you're willing to claim there's plenty of counters to cloak, available to all classes, I'd like to point out, there's also plenty of other defensive abilities available to all classes as well. If your build is so heavily focused on cloak, and THAT'S why you don't want it nerfed, just say that...
So if it's really just a "defensive" ability, why not buff the counters such as magelight to give a wider range, or just remove cloaks total 100% invisibility. (But maybe increase movement speed to help get away from a fight)."Why settle for just stabbing your foes when you can roast them alive in a gout of arcane fire?"
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Dyride✭✭✭✭✭I have found Radiant Magelight to be strong countering the burst from stealth but provides very little ability to see a good nightblade. I think the range would be better off at 12 meters.
I always have a counter slotted, piercing mark on my nightblade until I get caltrops, while steel tornado gives plenty of area to cover on my stamplar and stam sorc.
On the other side of the coin, Detect pots should only make the person using the pot to be able to see persons in stealth and the duration should be extended to around 1/2 the potion cooldown. I rarely use a detect pot unless it guarantees the kill because any NB worth their salt just runs until the detect has worn off then returns for an easy 30 secs of potion cooldown.
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✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »/drinks
Yet another "cloak isn't OP thread". Maybe cloak wouldn't be so bad if it's "counters" weren't total garbage. Sure you can go to any guild trader and buy a detect potion but thing is the best one only last for 16 seconds and is only usable at veteran rank 15. That doesn't help out level 10s or 32s or 46s or VR1s and so on.
And what nerf you talking about? You mean the no magicka regen while under it's effect? Yea alot of good that's gonna do just look at blocking and 0 stamina regen players still able to perma block for 5 minutes.
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butoijo✭As stamina user, i'll use RML if no one in my group use it. It's fun looking for NB when you assault keep
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✭✭✭✭✭^ RML is a great counter.. It reveals cloaked units nearby, and it halves all damage incoming from stealthed enemies for you AND nearby allies.
That's half damage from any Clouding Swarmers too. It's quite strong.
RML dmg reduction and stun protection is only working against sneak attacks and is not working against attacks from invisibility granted by cloak AT ALL.
But thanks for you comment.
If this is true, I was not aware. That is not working as intended based on my understanding... Regardless, that's a problem to fix with Radiant, not Cloak.
It is working as intended that way. RML gives you protection against sneak attacks. Cloaked attacks for NBs have nothing to do with that (they don´t get their dmg multiplied either - they just stun).<Noricum>
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Mojomonkeyman✭✭✭✭✭
✭A guildy of mine told me last night about a conversation he observed in Legend chat this past weekend.
Apparently, some dude was complaining about Cloak being OP, and when asked if he was using AoEs or detect pots or Magelight or Mark to counter it, he said he shouldn't have to use those tools if he doesn't want to and that they should just nerf Cloak because it's annoying to play against.
Is this really the level of debate that we're up against here?
Dude, whenever I read your posts I want my "LOL"-Button back. Your agenda is so obvious and self-rightous.
There is no good PvP game where cloak, vanish, stealth or however you want to call it isn`t heavily penalized with cooldowns, super limited duration and/or others. In most PvP games, making your opponent lose target for very short times is considered game changing. Invisibility is topping that and needs access restricitons.
"NB has no defense besides cloak" you claim you are one of the best NBs and you seriously say that?
I was playing necromancer in gw2 at the highest level, my escape (spectral walk + flesh worm) was on a 1min30 sec cooldown and I needed two skills to do what shadow image is doing for you. And you can use it repeatedly, in conjunction with cloak with almost unlimited access.
Go look at any game where PvP got a bit of attention and compare stealth/vanish mechanics and accessibility to the mess over here.
Try again.
Dear ZOS:
If you want to balance your game, take a look on how competitors experienced in PvP balanced stealth/vanish/cloak. Thank you.Edited by Mojomonkeyman on 14 October 2015 12:52Koma Grey, Chocolate Thunder, Little Mojo, Dagoth Mojo & Mojomancy2 -
Heathenpride✭✭✭I love how everyone is whining about the ability of rogues/assassins to use stealth, which is part of their core structure as a class, but no one is mentioning that it's odd seeing a 5 foot tall elf strolling around Tramriel with a two handed weapon bigger than she is and ripping new arses for fighter class characters...
NBs should be using light weapons, daggers preferably, whilst sorcs should be using staves and daggers and the fighter classes need to be rocking the heavy weaponry.
NBs should be restricted to medium armour, sorcs light and fighters heavy.
Whatever happened to that style?
I REFUSE to use two handed or staves, i keep my daggers and that's how it should be so don't nerf cloak, nerf the ability for all classes to use all weapons because we all know how messed up it's become, odd that no one mentions it...Edited by Heathenpride on 14 October 2015 13:08Looking for a good NA PS4 guild that offers a bit of everything? New to the game and lost? Need some guidance and help?
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✭✭Heathenpride wrote: »I love how everyone is whining about the ability of rogues/assassins to use stealth, which is part of their core structure as a class, but no one is mentioning that it's odd seeing a 5 foot tall elf strolling around Tramriel with a two handed weapon bigger than she is and ripping new arses for fighter class characters...
NBs should be using light weapons, daggers preferably, whilst sorcs should be using staves and daggers and the fighter classes need to be rocking the heavy weaponry.
NBs should be restricted to medium armour, sorcs light and fighters heavy.
Whatever happened to that style?
I REFUSE to use two handed or staves, i keep my daggers and that's how it should be so don't nerf cloak, nerf the ability for all classes to use all weapons because we all know how messed up it's become, odd that no one mentions it...
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