I will be sincerely disappointed in ZoS's common sense if they nerf Cloak.

KenaPKK

Go play Nightblade.

In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.

It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.

And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

So now you're pre-whining?

KenaPKK

It's called feedback.

You are exactly the kind of person who ZoS should be ignoring for this kind of decision.

Artemisshrikes

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

It's called feedback.

You two are exactly the kind of people who ZoS should be ignoring for this kind of decision.

awww such hostility come on whip me with your harsh words you know you want to!!

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

It's called feedback.

You two are exactly the kind of people who ZoS should be ignoring for this kind of decision.

I don't think its considered feedback if the change hasn't actually happened lol

KenaPKK

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

It's called feedback.

You two are exactly the kind of people who ZoS should be ignoring for this kind of decision.

I don't think its considered feedback if the change hasn't actually happened lol

That's illogical... It's feedback on whether the change should be made...which is how balancing works.

Artemisshrikes

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

It's called feedback.

You two are exactly the kind of people who ZoS should be ignoring for this kind of decision.

I don't think its considered feedback if the change hasn't actually happened lol

That's illogical...

your illogical

kadar

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Go play Nightblade.

In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.

It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.

And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.

What Stamina users gain in damage, they lose in the inability to spam Cloak.

Also, most people wrongly assume that Cloak is just an insta-win. An avoid all damage and pressure at the push of a button. This is not the case. Cloak must be combined with positioning, situational awareness, Line-of-Sight, and a few earnest prayers that your enemies don't slot counters, to even be effective.

Also most of the NBs posting here are doing so in response to either the forum-wide non-NB QQ, or the reply given by ZOS that they are considering nerfs. That is the definition of feedback.

Artemisshrikes

The_Outsider wrote: »

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Go play Nightblade.

In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.

It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.

And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.

What Stamina users gain in damage, they lose in the inability to spam Cloak.

Also, most people wrongly assume that Cloak is just an insta-win. An avoid all damage and pressure at the push of a button. This is not the case. Cloak must be combined with positioning, situational awareness, Line-of-Sight, and a few earnest prayers that your enemies don't slot counters, to even be effective.

Also most of the NBs posting here are doing so in response to either the forum-wide non-NB QQ, or the reply given by ZOS that they are considering nerfs. That is the definition of feedback.

a mighty fine example of feedback if I say so myself

Wollust

Shush you nightblades.

It's the dragonknights time to whine. Not you. You're still good off even with the unnecessary nerf to cloak.

Bashev

Even if they remove the invisibility from dark cloak it will be still useful cause it removes up to 5 DoTs.

olsborg

I still think zos should listen to all whiners, and nerf everything so we all stand around spamming eachother with wb because everything else has been nerfed to the point of uselesness so the l2p'ers dont have to....l2p...have a nice day now.

BEZDNA

i'll be seriously disapointed if they will not nerf cloak

KenaPKK

olsborg wrote: »

I still think zos should listen to all whiners, and nerf everything so we all stand around spamming eachother with wb because everything else has been nerfed to the point of uselesness so the l2p'ers dont have to....l2p...have a nice day now.

This.

BEZDNA wrote: »

i'll be seriously disapointed if they will not nerf cloak

And you need to...as he said...l2p. Cloak has plenty of counterplay and is unreliable as is. It's just annoying sometimes, not op or oppressive though. You're fine.

KenaPKK

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KenaPKK

Bashev wrote: »

Even if they remove the invisibility from dark cloak it will be still useful cause it removes up to 5 DoTs.

It would still be useful in very, very limited situations, but pretty much ANY other skill would be more useful.

Also, the Nightblade class as a whole would be weak as hell because they rely so heavily on cloak. No other class relies as heavily on one skill as Nightblade does on cloak.

ToRelax

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Even if they remove the invisibility from dark cloak it will be still useful cause it removes up to 5 DoTs.

It would still be useful in very, very limited situations, but pretty much ANY other skill would be more useful.

Also, the Nightblade class as a whole would be weak as hell because they rely so heavily on cloak. No other class relies as heavily on one skill as Nightblade does on cloak.

There were those times when Templars relied on Blazing Shield, DKs on Reflective Scales, Sorcs on Bolt Escape... to name some. Guess what, they all got nerfed.

Bashev

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Even if they remove the invisibility from dark cloak it will be still useful cause it removes up to 5 DoTs.

It would still be useful in very, very limited situations, but pretty much ANY other skill would be more useful.

Also, the Nightblade class as a whole would be weak as hell because they rely so heavily on cloak. No other class relies as heavily on one skill as Nightblade does on cloak.

DKs relied on GDB and block. Guess what ZOS dont care. When ppl complain ZOS nerf. And BTW if you check the posts since release I am pretty sure that all the other classes combined together didn call for nerfs as much NBs did.

TheBull

I agree OP! Great feedback!

KenaPKK

TheBull wrote: »

I agree OP! Great feedback!

Why thank you.

gilbegger

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I still think zos should listen to all whiners, and nerf everything so we all stand around spamming eachother with wb because everything else has been nerfed to the point of uselesness so the l2p'ers dont have to....l2p...have a nice day now.

This.

BEZDNA wrote: »

i'll be seriously disapointed if they will not nerf cloak

And you need to...as he said...l2p. Cloak has plenty of counterplay and is unreliable as is. It's just annoying sometimes, not op or oppressive though. You're fine.

It seems odd to me that so many Nightblades are worried that their "non op" skill might see some changes.

That alone tells me how OP it is.

You guyse looking foolish.

Derra

Translation NB to every other class.

NB: I´ll be sincerelydisappointed yadda yadda yadda...

Translation: Now that you´ve finally nerfed every other class and i can use cloak without having to think about it don´t you dare do to me what you did to those other peasants. If they don´t have bread to eat why don´t they try cake...

Devotion

cloak only an issue since IC, I'm also wondering if its mainly an issue with PS4/Xbox players and the downsides of using a controller vs the precision of a mouse and keyboard.

i just don't understand peoples views on nerfing cloak.

its so easy to counter its almost unreliable vs knowledgeable players. Once you can't cloak you're pretty much dead since we have no strong heals or shields or mitigation.

try to play one and see how "god mode" you really are.

gilbegger

I may be wrong here but I dont think anyone cares you can use an ability to your advantage. Every build has them.

Its the "spamming' of said abilities that cause problems.

Dodge roll / block/ bolt escape... and soon to be adjusted cloak.

Its going to be adjusted. And if you look at the history of the above mentioned abilities it will have to do with an increasing cost to cast cloak if casted consecutively (sorry my spelling is horrible)...or not regenerating magika while in cloak.

Bashev

Devotion wrote: »

cloak only an issue since IC, I'm also wondering if its mainly an issue with PS4/Xbox players and the downsides of using a controller vs the precision of a mouse and keyboard.

It is issues since IC, cause the detection potions got nerfed and on the other hand cloak was fixed/buffed. ANother thing is that the damage is reduced and even if find the NB once you cannot kill him fast and he can escape again and hit you when he is ready for a battle. At the same time you are waisting resources trying to find him. It reminds me a lot to the sorc playstyle. Bolt Bolt Bolt you try to catch them and then they kill you.
Now all NBs will say but cloak doesnt kill you and stop waisting your resources. It was the same with block and reflective scales. They dont kill you but they help you to take a breath and prepare to kill them.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Go play Nightblade.

In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.

It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.

And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.

Damn where is my lol button ?

Cmon ! top 10 players in EU are almost all NB (others are sorcerers). When a class dominate so much you know their is something wrong right @jnorris91ub17_ESO ? So what solution could you give to balance this ?

Gipo

Cloak is strong only as a mag nb and only in open space because when in narrow (like IC sewers) you get rekt by AoE/pots. Mag nb has no other way to escape with the dodge roll nerf. And overall mag nb isn't that bursty and if they kill his ability to reset the fight = it will be the end of mag nb. Yeah it feels powerful running through mobs without pulling any aggro and resetting fights(if no AoE or pot) but that's it.
As a stam nb you can't cloak for more than 3-4(if you start on full mag) times and you also need magicka for hysteria.
Call me a noob but I've never killed someone just because I had cloak.

Tavore1138

It is very simple, NB was gimped for a year so while everyone (except maybe the temps) were enjoying easy mode we learned to adapt and play. Now ZOS have fixed a broken skill and suddenly with our full toolset all that learning is paying off, we know about mobility and LoS, but other classes now need to learn that too - but it is much easier to call for nerfs and ZOS have already said they will change their nappies... no... sorry... 'balance' cloak... but we will still kill the bad ones. The good ones won't care 'cos they already adapted to a nearly working cloak and are still doing fine.

KenaPKK

ToRelax wrote: »

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Even if they remove the invisibility from dark cloak it will be still useful cause it removes up to 5 DoTs.

It would still be useful in very, very limited situations, but pretty much ANY other skill would be more useful.

Also, the Nightblade class as a whole would be weak as hell because they rely so heavily on cloak. No other class relies as heavily on one skill as Nightblade does on cloak.

There were those times when Templars relied on Blazing Shield, DKs on Reflective Scales, Sorcs on Bolt Escape... to name some. Guess what, they all got nerfed.

Nightblade doesn't have another defensive class skill to fall back on.

KenaPKK

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Go play Nightblade.

In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.

It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.

And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.

Damn where is my lol button ?

Cmon ! top 10 players in EU are almost all NB (others are sorcerers). When a class dominate so much you know their is something wrong right @jnorris91ub17_ESO ? So what solution could you give to balance this ?

Magicka Nightblade isn't the problem. Stamina nb damage is the problem.

Wrecking blow still hits for upwards of 15k plus its free heavy attack, Steel Tornado is unavoidable in the tight areas of IC, and it still shreds, and snare immunity from Shuffle in a meta where snares are powerful.

This damage is acquired from a few sources. Percentage weapon damage amplification comes from Flawless Dawnbreaker and medium armor passives, and a flat weapon damage glyph can by applied to weapons. Magicka users get nothing comparable to these. Also, Hardy reduces magic damage by a percent, and there is no percentage physical damage mitigation CP.

These disparities need to be repaired before ANY facet of magicka nb is touched.

KenaPKK

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

It is very simple, NB was gimped for a year so while everyone (except maybe the temps) were enjoying easy mode we learned to adapt and play. Now ZOS have fixed a broken skill and suddenly with our full toolset all that learning is paying off, we know about mobility and LoS, but other classes now need to learn that too - but it is much easier to call for nerfs and ZOS have already said they will change their nappies... no... sorry... 'balance' cloak... but we will still kill the bad ones. The good ones won't care 'cos they already adapted to a nearly working cloak and are still doing fine.

This is very true.