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Alright... We've fixed all the other ways of spamming to avoid damage, its time to look at NB cloak
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Judging from the quantity and contents of your posts, I think we both know who is the 'mad noob' here.Lava_Croft wrote: »
You will still be crying after the supposed nerf to Cloak, since all the things you have trouble with will still be the same.Lava_Croft wrote: »
I can only run away from terrible players. Anyone with half a brain will usually manage to keep me engaged in the fight. Nerfing Cloak won't hurt me that much at all, I will still be able to Cloak myself to safety when coming up against players like yourself. I'm awaiting the next round of whine threads about Cloak.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Basically you don't like escape skills.Knootewoot wrote: »
They are the same people who say that "NB's can pick their fight and start the fight first", while every class can hide/sneak and start/pick a fight.
Yeah sure. Every other class can technically start a fight first. But in imperial city a Nightblade is the only class that can pick a fight and then run away and come back continually till they finally win.
Time to start nerfing healing skills because spamming them makes you survive too!
Yes I do have a problem with a skill that allows you to run away every time you are about to lose, and a skill that allows you to drag mobs over someone and then dissapear. I'm sorry your cloak is getting nerfed. But NBs brought it on themselves when they started using cheap tactics in imperial city. And I'm trying not to laugh about the heals comment... But unless your specced as a healer now days your heals aren't worth ***.
BoL, you are next!
Let me guess you're gonna tell me to use aoe or flare right? Flare is an absolutely useless skill other than for nightblades and it's not justifiable to have with a Stam build. And aoe... Aoe just puts all the mobs you dragged over me onto me while you stealth out.
Another noob Nightblade mad lol
I'll reiterate for you: The supposed upcoming nerf to Cloak will in no way change anything about the things you struggle with. Try to get better.Edited by Lava_Croft on 22 September 2015 18:243 -
rordogg✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Judging from the quantity and contents of your posts, I think we both know who is the 'mad noob' here.Lava_Croft wrote: »
You will still be crying after the supposed nerf to Cloak, since all the things you have trouble with will still be the same.Lava_Croft wrote: »
I can only run away from terrible players. Anyone with half a brain will usually manage to keep me engaged in the fight. Nerfing Cloak won't hurt me that much at all, I will still be able to Cloak myself to safety when coming up against players like yourself. I'm awaiting the next round of whine threads about Cloak.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Basically you don't like escape skills.Knootewoot wrote: »
They are the same people who say that "NB's can pick their fight and start the fight first", while every class can hide/sneak and start/pick a fight.
Yeah sure. Every other class can technically start a fight first. But in imperial city a Nightblade is the only class that can pick a fight and then run away and come back continually till they finally win.
Time to start nerfing healing skills because spamming them makes you survive too!
Yes I do have a problem with a skill that allows you to run away every time you are about to lose, and a skill that allows you to drag mobs over someone and then dissapear. I'm sorry your cloak is getting nerfed. But NBs brought it on themselves when they started using cheap tactics in imperial city. And I'm trying not to laugh about the heals comment... But unless your specced as a healer now days your heals aren't worth ***.
BoL, you are next!
Let me guess you're gonna tell me to use aoe or flare right? Flare is an absolutely useless skill other than for nightblades and it's not justifiable to have with a Stam build. And aoe... Aoe just puts all the mobs you dragged over me onto me while you stealth out.
Another noob Nightblade mad lol
I'll reiterate for you: The supposed upcoming nerf to Cloak will in no way change anything about the things you struggle with. Try to get better.
Lol if you're on ps4 I'd gladly show you who the noob is. If you don't just run away every time.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Judging from the quantity and contents of your posts, I think we both know who is the 'mad noob' here.Lava_Croft wrote: »
You will still be crying after the supposed nerf to Cloak, since all the things you have trouble with will still be the same.Lava_Croft wrote: »
I can only run away from terrible players. Anyone with half a brain will usually manage to keep me engaged in the fight. Nerfing Cloak won't hurt me that much at all, I will still be able to Cloak myself to safety when coming up against players like yourself. I'm awaiting the next round of whine threads about Cloak.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Basically you don't like escape skills.Knootewoot wrote: »
They are the same people who say that "NB's can pick their fight and start the fight first", while every class can hide/sneak and start/pick a fight.
Yeah sure. Every other class can technically start a fight first. But in imperial city a Nightblade is the only class that can pick a fight and then run away and come back continually till they finally win.
Time to start nerfing healing skills because spamming them makes you survive too!
Yes I do have a problem with a skill that allows you to run away every time you are about to lose, and a skill that allows you to drag mobs over someone and then dissapear. I'm sorry your cloak is getting nerfed. But NBs brought it on themselves when they started using cheap tactics in imperial city. And I'm trying not to laugh about the heals comment... But unless your specced as a healer now days your heals aren't worth ***.
BoL, you are next!
Let me guess you're gonna tell me to use aoe or flare right? Flare is an absolutely useless skill other than for nightblades and it's not justifiable to have with a Stam build. And aoe... Aoe just puts all the mobs you dragged over me onto me while you stealth out.
Another noob Nightblade mad lol
I'll reiterate for you: The supposed upcoming nerf to Cloak will in no way change anything about the things you struggle with. Try to get better.
Lol if you're on ps4 I'd gladly show you who the noob is. If you don't just run away every time.
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rordogg✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Judging from the quantity and contents of your posts, I think we both know who is the 'mad noob' here.Lava_Croft wrote: »
You will still be crying after the supposed nerf to Cloak, since all the things you have trouble with will still be the same.Lava_Croft wrote: »
I can only run away from terrible players. Anyone with half a brain will usually manage to keep me engaged in the fight. Nerfing Cloak won't hurt me that much at all, I will still be able to Cloak myself to safety when coming up against players like yourself. I'm awaiting the next round of whine threads about Cloak.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Basically you don't like escape skills.Knootewoot wrote: »
They are the same people who say that "NB's can pick their fight and start the fight first", while every class can hide/sneak and start/pick a fight.
Yeah sure. Every other class can technically start a fight first. But in imperial city a Nightblade is the only class that can pick a fight and then run away and come back continually till they finally win.
Time to start nerfing healing skills because spamming them makes you survive too!
Yes I do have a problem with a skill that allows you to run away every time you are about to lose, and a skill that allows you to drag mobs over someone and then dissapear. I'm sorry your cloak is getting nerfed. But NBs brought it on themselves when they started using cheap tactics in imperial city. And I'm trying not to laugh about the heals comment... But unless your specced as a healer now days your heals aren't worth ***.
BoL, you are next!
Let me guess you're gonna tell me to use aoe or flare right? Flare is an absolutely useless skill other than for nightblades and it's not justifiable to have with a Stam build. And aoe... Aoe just puts all the mobs you dragged over me onto me while you stealth out.
Another noob Nightblade mad lol
I'll reiterate for you: The supposed upcoming nerf to Cloak will in no way change anything about the things you struggle with. Try to get better.
Lol if you're on ps4 I'd gladly show you who the noob is. If you don't just run away every time.
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eventide03b14a_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Alright I'm not normally one to gripe but this issue is becoming apparently more and more obvious to me as I've been playing imperial city. Last night I had the pleasure of running into a magicka NB who would constantly spam cloak to avoid my hits, and then attack. No biggy for me usually but every single time I got him low on health he'd still spam cloak out and run through another room full of npcs trying to drag me through them. I stopped chasing. But then he'd just regen up and try again. Failing every time. This lasted for the course of 15 minutes till he finally decided to drag one of the roaming bosses on me that I could then not get rid of while he continued to spam cloak and pick at me while I dealt with the boss. To me this is a joke.
Zenimax has addressed shield stacking, dodge rolling, and bolt spamming. But a NB can still continually spam cloak to not only dodge you. But escape between all the NPCs that you are then forced to deal with. I'm looking for constructive ideas here. None of the "get gud" comments because theirs absolutely no skill in spamming invisibility so they can't hit you but you can hit them. Cloak either needs som sort of treatment like dodge roll, theirs no reason you should be using it more than atleast every 4 seconds without a punishment. Or my other idea is while a NB is in combat with another person npcs will still see them through invisibility to avoid the fact they can run away and use them as a wall every time. But I'm open to ideas. Let's be constructive here.
Wow another nerf cloak thread from someone who can't be bothered to slot radiant magelight, and the (so far) 9 people who agree with him. I have absolutely no trouble with cloaked NBs because I slot a spell to counter it, instead of coming onto the forums and whining about what an awful player I am.:trollin:1 -
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✭✭Alright so I'm a Stam tank DK that uses 2H and 1H&shield. I can't really afford to equip another magicka skill and caltrops is expensive as hell. This build is effective against any type of player even NBs. Unless they are cloak spammers. So what your telling me is I need to alter and effectively gimp myself to deal with the select few who are determined to spam cloak to avoid damage where as I don't have to do anything like this for any other class?
You know what? I have to do that against you reflective scales casters too. You know what I have never done? Created a forum posting whining about not being able to cast meteor, or crystal frag, or .....most of the spells that can be reflected by DKs. Stop whining.:trollin:1 -
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✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Judging from the quantity and contents of your posts, I think we both know who is the 'mad noob' here.Lava_Croft wrote: »
You will still be crying after the supposed nerf to Cloak, since all the things you have trouble with will still be the same.Lava_Croft wrote: »
I can only run away from terrible players. Anyone with half a brain will usually manage to keep me engaged in the fight. Nerfing Cloak won't hurt me that much at all, I will still be able to Cloak myself to safety when coming up against players like yourself. I'm awaiting the next round of whine threads about Cloak.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Basically you don't like escape skills.Knootewoot wrote: »
They are the same people who say that "NB's can pick their fight and start the fight first", while every class can hide/sneak and start/pick a fight.
Yeah sure. Every other class can technically start a fight first. But in imperial city a Nightblade is the only class that can pick a fight and then run away and come back continually till they finally win.
Time to start nerfing healing skills because spamming them makes you survive too!
Yes I do have a problem with a skill that allows you to run away every time you are about to lose, and a skill that allows you to drag mobs over someone and then dissapear. I'm sorry your cloak is getting nerfed. But NBs brought it on themselves when they started using cheap tactics in imperial city. And I'm trying not to laugh about the heals comment... But unless your specced as a healer now days your heals aren't worth ***.
BoL, you are next!
Let me guess you're gonna tell me to use aoe or flare right? Flare is an absolutely useless skill other than for nightblades and it's not justifiable to have with a Stam build. And aoe... Aoe just puts all the mobs you dragged over me onto me while you stealth out.
Another noob Nightblade mad lol
I'll reiterate for you: The supposed upcoming nerf to Cloak will in no way change anything about the things you struggle with. Try to get better.
This is actually true.
I've gone back to look at the ways i use cloak, compared to the ways that people complain (along with the rumored changes from ZOS).
Cloak is not the evil tool that allows me to slaughter endless droves of new players. Shield stacking always has, and always will be that evil tool. In a perfect situation where i can control the fight, I don't even use cloak often.The Age of Wrobel.1 -
rordogg✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Alright I'm not normally one to gripe but this issue is becoming apparently more and more obvious to me as I've been playing imperial city. Last night I had the pleasure of running into a magicka NB who would constantly spam cloak to avoid my hits, and then attack. No biggy for me usually but every single time I got him low on health he'd still spam cloak out and run through another room full of npcs trying to drag me through them. I stopped chasing. But then he'd just regen up and try again. Failing every time. This lasted for the course of 15 minutes till he finally decided to drag one of the roaming bosses on me that I could then not get rid of while he continued to spam cloak and pick at me while I dealt with the boss. To me this is a joke.
Zenimax has addressed shield stacking, dodge rolling, and bolt spamming. But a NB can still continually spam cloak to not only dodge you. But escape between all the NPCs that you are then forced to deal with. I'm looking for constructive ideas here. None of the "get gud" comments because theirs absolutely no skill in spamming invisibility so they can't hit you but you can hit them. Cloak either needs som sort of treatment like dodge roll, theirs no reason you should be using it more than atleast every 4 seconds without a punishment. Or my other idea is while a NB is in combat with another person npcs will still see them through invisibility to avoid the fact they can run away and use them as a wall every time. But I'm open to ideas. Let's be constructive here.
Wow another nerf cloak thread from someone who can't be bothered to slot radiant magelight, and the (so far) 9 people who agree with him. I have absolutely no trouble with cloaked NBs because I slot a spell to counter it, instead of coming onto the forums and whining about what an awful player I am.
Oh here let me just take a skill off of each of my bars to slot a skill that's absolutely useless to me to counter someone who wants to spam cloak.0 -
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first off, he did use paragraphs.Scyantific wrote: »First off:
Paragraphs. Use them.
2nd, back when I played, people suggested giving abilities such as cloak the BE treatment(or a slight variation) however, I don't know how good or bad spamming is nowadays, so there is not much I can really offer:/ However, I will say, that if NBs still dont have decent self heals, then cloak', in my opinion, CANNOT be removed, as NBs would then be useless. But its been almost half a year now, too much has changed for me to say very much on the issue
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rordogg✭✭✭
See they say they don't have heals but practically every magicka NB you run into is gonna be using a restro staff in one slot healing, as well as spamming cloak... And with the healing and damage nerf my DK doesn't really reliably self heal anyways. Don't play a Templar though and I know they definitely still can.
first off, he did use paragraphs.Scyantific wrote: »First off:
Paragraphs. Use them.
2nd, back when I played, people suggested giving abilities such as cloak the BE treatment(or a slight variation) however, I don't know how good or bad spamming is nowadays, so there is not much I can really offer:/ However, I will say, that if NBs still dont have decent self heals, then cloak', in my opinion, CANNOT be removed, as NBs would then be useless. But its been almost half a year now, too much has changed for me to say very much on the issue
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so you wanna nerf an entire class cause your DK build that can handle all other builds except this 1 nb (which couldnt kill you) just because he could get away from you and you're stupid enough to chase him like some tunnel visioning moron into a bunch of mobs.
just wanna clear it up.0 -
rordogg✭✭✭
so you wanna nerf an entire class cause your DK build that can handle all other builds except this 1 nb (which couldnt kill you) just because he could get away from you and you're stupid enough to chase him like some tunnel visioning moron into a bunch of mobs.
just wanna clear it up.
Lol before you go assuming and making an ass out of yourself. I didn't chase. He'd run. Regen all his stats. And then try again over and over till he gave up and dragged the roaming boss over me. I hope that that's all cleared up for you now.Edited by rordogg on 22 September 2015 22:450 -
Angarato✭✭✭so why do you want it nerfed it he couldnt even kill you without the help of a boss. if you slotted any of the counters you could have killed him when he tried to run.0
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Angarato✭✭✭Im a nb myself and I slot piercing mark to fight enemy nbs. I much rather use that spot for shuffle, or magnum shot or "name any other ability that isnt useless for anything but nbs".Edited by Angarato on 22 September 2015 23:580
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rordogg✭✭✭so why do you want it nerfed it he couldnt even kill you without the help of a boss. if you slotted any of the counters you could have killed him when he tried to run.
Let's see Mage light and flare are useless for me. And aoe happens to pull everything around the NB onto you. Honestly I wouldn't care if it was nerfed if when you are in cloak the npcs still can see and hit you when you are in what should be a visible range. Cause that's the real problem. NB currently have a big advantage with the fact they can pass through npcs in a room without pulling anything where as every other class had to deal with all of them. Also the fact that they can get a group on them. Then run to you and then cloak out. Cause I'll be honest pre imperial city I didn't care if a NB ran away. But the advantage they have with mobs currently is what's causing everyone to scream nerf.0 -
rordogg✭✭✭Im a nb myself and I slot piercing mark to fight enemy nbs. I much rather use that spot for shuffle, or magnum shot or "name any other ability that isnt useless for anything but nbs".
I mean give other classes an ability like piercing mark and I'm sure their would be no crying nerf cloak. But currently it's Mage light and flare. Or AOE. And aoe causes a lot of problems in imperial city cause we have the added npcs.0 -
bsmorrowb14_ESO✭✭✭Alright I'm not normally one to gripe but this issue is becoming apparently more and more obvious to me as I've been playing imperial city. Last night I had the pleasure of running into a magicka NB who would constantly spam cloak to avoid my hits, and then attack. No biggy for me usually but every single time I got him low on health he'd still spam cloak out and run through another room full of npcs trying to drag me through them. I stopped chasing. But then he'd just regen up and try again. Failing every time. This lasted for the course of 15 minutes till he finally decided to drag one of the roaming bosses on me that I could then not get rid of while he continued to spam cloak and pick at me while I dealt with the boss. To me this is a joke.
Zenimax has addressed shield stacking, dodge rolling, and bolt spamming. But a NB can still continually spam cloak to not only dodge you. But escape between all the NPCs that you are then forced to deal with. I'm looking for constructive ideas here. None of the "get gud" comments because theirs absolutely no skill in spamming invisibility so they can't hit you but you can hit them. Cloak either needs som sort of treatment like dodge roll, theirs no reason you should be using it more than atleast every 4 seconds without a punishment. Or my other idea is while a NB is in combat with another person npcs will still see them through invisibility to avoid the fact they can run away and use them as a wall every time. But I'm open to ideas. Let's be constructive here.
Rock Paper Scissors
Seriously, you wont be able to counter everyone's gameplay. You have a weakness in your build. Either adjust your build or suck it up and realize, "Ok, Magicka NB's are the Scissors to my Paper".
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BrassRazoo✭✭✭✭✭Detect Potions, AoEs, Flare, Caltrops, Piercing Mark, Radiant Magelight.
It's your own fault for not using these counters to Cloak, it's not a build issue, because he obviously couldn't kill you, just need Detect Potions or another counter to finish him off when he runs away.
What has any of that got to do with the situation?
None of these stop spamming of cloak, nearly all of them are useless in general and against spamming, and none of them stop spamming and running trough NPCs.
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✭✭✭✭✭Teargrants wrote: »@OP, in case you didn't already know, you won't get anywhere on these forums with a thread like this. The forums are overrun with Forum Blades who will vigorously defend every aspect of cloak (perma spam, move speed synergies, force miss, easiest escape) to the death - all while telling you cloak needs to be buffed and 'lol slot aoe'.
That's hilarious, cuz @Ezareth doesn't use cloak at all on his NB and does exceptionally well.NBs have no shield no decent self heal NOTHING except cloak. If cloak gets nerfed in anyway NBs will be totally useless
No offense Teargrants..Even though I agree 100% with you...But you are 100% the wrong person to make this statement..since you spent the past couple months doing the same thing with Sorcs.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭✭Teargrants wrote: »@OP, in case you didn't already know, you won't get anywhere on these forums with a thread like this. The forums are overrun with Forum Blades who will vigorously defend every aspect of cloak (perma spam, move speed synergies, force miss, easiest escape) to the death - all while telling you cloak needs to be buffed and 'lol slot aoe'.
That's hilarious, cuz @Ezareth doesn't use cloak at all on his NB and does exceptionally well.NBs have no shield no decent self heal NOTHING except cloak. If cloak gets nerfed in anyway NBs will be totally useless
No offense Teargrants..Even though I agree 100% with you...But you are 100% the wrong person to make this statement..since you spent the past couple months doing the same thing with Sorcs.
I don't think I ever recall Teargrants asking for Sorc buffs.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
Too Much Bolt Escape - banned for "hacking the game to create movement not otherwise permitted by in game mechanics."
Ezareth VR16 AD Sorc - Rank 36 - Axe NA
Ezareth-Ali VR16 DC NB - Rank 20 - Chillrend NA
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Angarato✭✭✭so you want nbs to be like dks in light/medium armor without any shields or reliable self-heals and no mobility. just so you can get free kills without having to change your build.0
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✭✭✭✭✭Teargrants wrote: »@OP, in case you didn't already know, you won't get anywhere on these forums with a thread like this. The forums are overrun with Forum Blades who will vigorously defend every aspect of cloak (perma spam, move speed synergies, force miss, easiest escape) to the death - all while telling you cloak needs to be buffed and 'lol slot aoe'.
That's hilarious, cuz @Ezareth doesn't use cloak at all on his NB and does exceptionally well.NBs have no shield no decent self heal NOTHING except cloak. If cloak gets nerfed in anyway NBs will be totally useless
No offense Teargrants..Even though I agree 100% with you...But you are 100% the wrong person to make this statement..since you spent the past couple months doing the same thing with Sorcs.
I don't think I ever recall Teargrants asking for Sorc buffs.
No, but like you..he was consistently against any Sorc Nerfs.
Well..until you started playing another class besides Sorc.
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I'm still against nerfing sorcs or any other class for that matter. I've always been for fixing bugs which would have been fine in my books. Some game mechanics still need balanced but that has nothing to do with nerfing any particular class even though some classes benefit more from some mechanics.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
Too Much Bolt Escape - banned for "hacking the game to create movement not otherwise permitted by in game mechanics."
Ezareth VR16 AD Sorc - Rank 36 - Axe NA
Ezareth-Ali VR16 DC NB - Rank 20 - Chillrend NA
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bsmorrowb14_ESO✭✭✭BrassRazoo wrote: »Detect Potions, AoEs, Flare, Caltrops, Piercing Mark, Radiant Magelight.
It's your own fault for not using these counters to Cloak, it's not a build issue, because he obviously couldn't kill you, just need Detect Potions or another counter to finish him off when he runs away.
What has any of that got to do with the situation?
None of these stop spamming of cloak, nearly all of them are useless in general and against spamming, and none of them stop spamming and running trough NPCs.
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✭✭✭✭Just let them nerf Cloak, the bads will still horribly die anyway and find something else to cry about.1 -
a.skelton92✭✭✭Alright so I'm a Stam tank DK that uses 2H and 1H&shield. I can't really afford to equip another magicka skill and caltrops is expensive as hell. This build is effective against any type of player even NBs. Unless they are cloak spammers. So what your telling me is I need to alter and effectively gimp myself to deal with the select few who are determined to spam cloak to avoid damage where as I don't have to do anything like this for any other class?
There is no such thing as a build/ class or whatever that is effective against EVERYTHING and thats it. Every build/ class has a build/ class that can counter it. That is how any MMO games with a class system has worked.. If you want to counter that one specific play style then you need to sacrafice effectiveness vs another playstyle, no one should ever be able to counter EVERYTHING.
If you think you have unlocked the secret god mode build (this is not necessarily aimed at you but people in general) then prepare to be dissapointed as at some point someone will have the build to counter yours. That is the way of the MMO. Though of course that doesnt mean that your always doomed to lose against them it just means you have to come up with new strategies to defeat them other than just relying on the; "its okay, my build counters everything" attitude.
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rordogg✭✭✭bsmorrowb14_ESO wrote: »BrassRazoo wrote: »Detect Potions, AoEs, Flare, Caltrops, Piercing Mark, Radiant Magelight.
It's your own fault for not using these counters to Cloak, it's not a build issue, because he obviously couldn't kill you, just need Detect Potions or another counter to finish him off when he runs away.
What has any of that got to do with the situation?
None of these stop spamming of cloak, nearly all of them are useless in general and against spamming, and none of them stop spamming and running trough NPCs.
Why dont you slot an AoE on your bar?
Aoe just pulls every mob around you onto you while the NB giggles and watchesEdited by rordogg on 23 September 2015 22:020
