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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861

Alright... We've fixed all the other ways of spamming to avoid damage, its time to look at NB cloak

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  • tonemd
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    Cloak is weak to:
    Detect Pots
    AOEs
    Reapers mark
    Magelight
    Flare

    So out of all that you guess can't come up with a way to deal with it?

    Ok how about this, make cloak a HoT and THEN make magicka regen stop while cloaked. You people want to take without giving.

    Many have said it before and I'll say it again, give nightblades a good self heal or shields and you can nerf cloak to hell.
  • tonemd
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    tonemd wrote: »
    Cloak is weak to:
    Detect Pots
    AOEs
    Reapers mark
    Magelight
    Flare

    So out of all that you guess can't come up with a way to deal with it?

    Ok how about this, make cloak a GOOD HoT and THEN make magicka regen stop while cloaked. You people want to take without giving.

    Many have said it before and I'll say it again, give nightblades a good self heal or shields and you can nerf cloak to hell.

  • Wollust
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    Yey, let's kill every single skill that makes classes and playstyles different from each other. We need to be truly equal to have fun.
    Susano'o

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  • leepalmer95
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    Wollust wrote: »
    Yey, let's kill every single skill that makes classes and playstyles different from each other. We need to be truly equal to have fun.

    Well:

    Dk's got heavily nerfed, wings, GBD is now useless in pvp, talons is blockable etc...
    Sorc's got Be nerfed and their main defensive skill (hardened) received a nerf.
    Templars got their radiant destruction nerfed.

    ...Nb's got buffed.
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  • Wollust
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    leepalmer95 wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    Yey, let's kill every single skill that makes classes and playstyles different from each other. We need to be truly equal to have fun.

    Well:

    Dk's got heavily nerfed, wings, GBD is now useless in pvp, talons is blockable etc...
    Sorc's got Be nerfed and their main defensive skill (hardened) received a nerf.
    Templars got their radiant destruction nerfed.

    ...Nb's got buffed.

    So let's nerf NBs. Do you think people will be happy afterwards? Nope, next is Templar with Breath of Life. Then we change to Sorcerer and nerf something there again. Then DK. Then back to NB. And so on and so on. It's always the same.
    Why don't we just run around naked and use our fists to kill each other, because it seems as if having different abilities is a bad thing and everyone feels disadvantaged.
    Susano'o

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  • rordogg
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    Wollust wrote: »
    leepalmer95 wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    Yey, let's kill every single skill that makes classes and playstyles different from each other. We need to be truly equal to have fun.

    Well:

    Dk's got heavily nerfed, wings, GBD is now useless in pvp, talons is blockable etc...
    Sorc's got Be nerfed and their main defensive skill (hardened) received a nerf.
    Templars got their radiant destruction nerfed.

    ...Nb's got buffed.

    So let's nerf NBs. Do you think people will be happy afterwards? Nope, next is Templar with Breath of Life. Then we change to Sorcerer and nerf something there again. Then DK. Then back to NB. And so on and so on. It's always the same.
    Why don't we just run around naked and use our fists to kill each other, because it seems as if having different abilities is a bad thing and everyone feels disadvantaged.

    I will gladly naked fist fight a NB with no cloak any day lets do this
  • Teargrants
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    @OP, in case you didn't already know, you won't get anywhere on these forums with a thread like this. The forums are overrun with Forum Blades who will vigorously defend every aspect of cloak (perma spam, move speed synergies, force miss, easiest escape) to the death - all while telling you cloak needs to be buffed and 'lol slot aoe'.
    Levo18 wrote: »
    NBs have no shield no decent self heal NOTHING except cloak. If cloak gets nerfed in anyway NBs will be totally useless
    That's hilarious, cuz @Ezareth doesn't use cloak at all on his NB and does exceptionally well.
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  • Tonturri
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    What about instead of nerfing cloak, we buff other abilities? I believe there was a complaint somewhere that Flare was only useful for contering cloak or whatever. If I recall correctly, it also has a morph that gives a DoT. I don't know how strong the DoT is currently (don't have the morph) but perhaps its damage could be looked at? Making the DoT uncleansable (or if it's cleansed it deals <x> damage) would be nice too. Such a feature could also make it useful against zergs that spam cleanse. Mess with the radius and how long it takes before the ground effect lands as needed for balance.

    Dunno, but seems most in the thread are stuck in the 'nerf something to bring it in line' mentality. *shrug*
  • Xvorg
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    Soris wrote: »

    And I agree cloak should get same treatment as bolt escape

    You mean it should stun and dmg enemy on cast in one of its morphs? xD
    Edited by Xvorg on 21 September 2015 00:34
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  • rordogg
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    I got it. We should all just make NB and abuse it till they fix it. All of imperial city will just be full of people sneaking.
  • Xvorg
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    rordogg wrote: »
    I got it. We should all just make NB and abuse it till they fix it. All of imperial city will just be full of people sneaking.

    Wasn't that the idea from the beggining?

    http://prntscr.com/8ioeg1

    http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/17/the-imperial-city-guide-the-basics

    Now repeat after me: Stealth is my friend...
    Edited by Xvorg on 21 September 2015 02:44
    Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly

    I was born with the wrong sign
    In the wrong house
    With the wrong ascendancy
    I took the wrong road
    That led to the wrong tendencies
    I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
    For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
    On the wrong day of the wrong week
    Used the wrong method with the wrong technique
  • Devotion
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    Lol, I play a mag Nb and if I run into people that are not totally stupid I get countered pretty hard, caltraps alone is hell for me

    U have so many tools to counter cloak it's not funny. Leave it alone or give me a shield like sorcs get and a stun on dark cloak
  • Devotion
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    Derra wrote: »
    Yonkit wrote: »
    Detect Potions, AoEs, Flare, Caltrops, Piercing Mark, Radiant Magelight.

    It's your own fault for not using these counters to Cloak, it's not a build issue, because he obviously couldn't kill you, just need Detect Potions or another counter to finish him off when he runs away.

    The fact alone that we still have people like you running around screaming radiant magelight would be a vaible counter to cloak along with impuls with 6m aoe range while every magica nb has up to 65% increased movement speed in stealth is reason enough to give cloak the same treatment bolt escape got.

    U need 3 skills to run at that speed in cloak......
  • rordogg
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    Xvorg wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    I got it. We should all just make NB and abuse it till they fix it. All of imperial city will just be full of people sneaking.

    Wasn't that the idea from the beggining?

    http://prntscr.com/8ioeg1

    http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/17/the-imperial-city-guide-the-basics

    Now repeat after me: Stealth is my friend...

    I will become the batman
  • Shunravi
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    rordogg wrote: »
    I got it. We should all just make NB and abuse it till they fix it. All of imperial city will just be full of people sneaking.

    Are you saying that, in this game, sneaking is nightblade exclusive? I'z confused.
    This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!
  • twistedmonk
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    I don't see magic NB's being any threat to anybody in IC. maybe afk people.

    even the OP states the NB couldn't do anything to him and had to drag him into a boss NPC - well because the OP couldn't just leave the guy alone and go on his business..instead chased one guy for 15 minutes. GG

    RIP Magic NB
    Edited by twistedmonk on 21 September 2015 07:49
  • Xvorg
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    rordogg wrote: »
    Xvorg wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    I got it. We should all just make NB and abuse it till they fix it. All of imperial city will just be full of people sneaking.

    Wasn't that the idea from the beggining?

    http://prntscr.com/8ioeg1

    http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/17/the-imperial-city-guide-the-basics

    Now repeat after me: Stealth is my friend...

    I will become the batman

    Actually what the Z guys did is pretty simple, the gave us a new area with different rules from PVE and what we knew as PVP (Cyrodil), based in the old "hide and seek" game. The thing is that there's a class whose specialty is to hide and that didn't have too much work to do to be adapted to those rules. The problem is that most of the other class players went to IC with the concept that the same rules applied in the rest Cyro should be applied there. Slowly, they are learning that the builds they use in Faregyl or Bleaker's are not so effective in IC.

    So, what I think is quite simple, you have 2 paths to deal with IC, or you become a hide guy, or a seek guy; being the NB the best class for hiding, while the templar is the best class for seeking (jolteon, dragonite, gastly ♪).
    Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly

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    In the wrong house
    With the wrong ascendancy
    I took the wrong road
    That led to the wrong tendencies
    I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
    For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
    On the wrong day of the wrong week
    Used the wrong method with the wrong technique
  • Sureshawt
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    rordogg wrote: »
    Alright so I'm a Stam tank DK that uses 2H and 1H&shield. I can't really afford to equip another magicka skill and caltrops is expensive as hell. This build is effective against any type of player even NBs. Unless they are cloak spammers. So what your telling me is I need to alter and effectively gimp myself to deal with the select few who are determined to spam cloak to avoid damage where as I don't have to do anything like this for any other class?

    So what you are telling me is you have a build that is effective against every other class/build except this NB who wasn't able to kill you. Now you want the NB cloak skill nerfed so you can be effective against cloak spammers so you don't have to use one the many skills in the game that counter cloak. This way you can be effective against everything and not have any weaknesses whatsoever. Sound about right?

    Edited by Sureshawt on 21 September 2015 21:49
  • rordogg
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    twistedmonk wrote: »
    I don't see magic NB's being any threat to anybody in IC. maybe afk people.

    even the OP states the NB couldn't do anything to him and had to drag him into a boss NPC - well because the OP couldn't just leave the guy alone and go on his business..instead chased one guy for 15 minutes. GG

    RIP Magic NB

    Lol just too clarify. I wasn't the one chasing. I would've left him alone after the first two times. He's the one that kept coming back and trying to jump me over and over.
  • rordogg
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    Sureshawt wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    Alright so I'm a Stam tank DK that uses 2H and 1H&shield. I can't really afford to equip another magicka skill and caltrops is expensive as hell. This build is effective against any type of player even NBs. Unless they are cloak spammers. So what your telling me is I need to alter and effectively gimp myself to deal with the select few who are determined to spam cloak to avoid damage where as I don't have to do anything like this for any other class?

    So what you are telling me is you have a build that is effective against every other class/build except this NB who wasn't able to kill you. Now you want the NB cloak skill nerfed so you can be effective against cloak spammers so you don't have to use one the many skills in the game that counter cloak. This way you can be effective against everything and not have any weaknesses whatsoever. Sound about right?

    Theirs no reason anyone in this game shouldn't stand a fair chance to beat anyone else. The skills yall name to counter cloak spamming are a joke to good NB. No other class requires special skills on my bar to counter them. Yet you expect me to carry a useless skill such as flare, and a couple of you have tried to say well that could be used for more than a NB. Yeah sure... But I don't go around randomly dropping flares everywhere and once any other class engages me from stealth they aren't going to go back into stealth and run. Sure before the update I didn't care if a NB could run away whenever he wanted but after the update we have tel var stones and mass mobs of npcs involved. And being able to spam cloak is OP as **** in this situation. No you shouldn't be able to run away from everyone with your stones every time you are about to lose. This allows you too constantly reset and trying to gank someone for their stones while having the safety of stealth and 15 mobs between you and them whenever you choose.
  • Knootewoot
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    Shunravi wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    I got it. We should all just make NB and abuse it till they fix it. All of imperial city will just be full of people sneaking.

    Are you saying that, in this game, sneaking is nightblade exclusive? I'z confused.

    They are the same people who say that "NB's can pick their fight and start the fight first", while every class can hide/sneak and start/pick a fight.

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  • rordogg
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    Knootewoot wrote: »
    Shunravi wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    I got it. We should all just make NB and abuse it till they fix it. All of imperial city will just be full of people sneaking.

    Are you saying that, in this game, sneaking is nightblade exclusive? I'z confused.

    They are the same people who say that "NB's can pick their fight and start the fight first", while every class can hide/sneak and start/pick a fight.

    Yeah sure. Every other class can technically start a fight first. But in imperial city a Nightblade is the only class that can pick a fight and then run away and come back continually till they finally win.
  • Lava_Croft
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    rordogg wrote: »
    Knootewoot wrote: »
    Shunravi wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    I got it. We should all just make NB and abuse it till they fix it. All of imperial city will just be full of people sneaking.

    Are you saying that, in this game, sneaking is nightblade exclusive? I'z confused.

    They are the same people who say that "NB's can pick their fight and start the fight first", while every class can hide/sneak and start/pick a fight.

    Yeah sure. Every other class can technically start a fight first. But in imperial city a Nightblade is the only class that can pick a fight and then run away and come back continually till they finally win.
    Basically you don't like escape skills.

    Time to start nerfing healing skills because spamming them makes you survive too!
  • HungryHobo
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    AoE. Plain and simple. Track which way they run from you in. Run with them spamming aoe's.. they are dead. People who always rely on cloak always die when I fight them.
  • rordogg
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    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    Knootewoot wrote: »
    Shunravi wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    I got it. We should all just make NB and abuse it till they fix it. All of imperial city will just be full of people sneaking.

    Are you saying that, in this game, sneaking is nightblade exclusive? I'z confused.

    They are the same people who say that "NB's can pick their fight and start the fight first", while every class can hide/sneak and start/pick a fight.

    Yeah sure. Every other class can technically start a fight first. But in imperial city a Nightblade is the only class that can pick a fight and then run away and come back continually till they finally win.
    Basically you don't like escape skills.

    Time to start nerfing healing skills because spamming them makes you survive too!

    Yes I do have a problem with a skill that allows you to run away every time you are about to lose, and a skill that allows you to drag mobs over someone and then dissapear. I'm sorry your cloak is getting nerfed. But NBs brought it on themselves when they started using cheap tactics in imperial city. And I'm trying not to laugh about the heals comment... But unless your specced as a healer now days your heals aren't worth ***.
  • Rhakon
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    Detect Pots should work like before and cloak needs same treatment like Boltescape.

    All classes got nerfs and adjustments beside NB.

    Detect Pots are against all sneaky players not only NB, this should not be forgotten.
  • Lava_Croft
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    rordogg wrote: »
    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    Knootewoot wrote: »
    Shunravi wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    I got it. We should all just make NB and abuse it till they fix it. All of imperial city will just be full of people sneaking.

    Are you saying that, in this game, sneaking is nightblade exclusive? I'z confused.

    They are the same people who say that "NB's can pick their fight and start the fight first", while every class can hide/sneak and start/pick a fight.

    Yeah sure. Every other class can technically start a fight first. But in imperial city a Nightblade is the only class that can pick a fight and then run away and come back continually till they finally win.
    Basically you don't like escape skills.

    Time to start nerfing healing skills because spamming them makes you survive too!

    Yes I do have a problem with a skill that allows you to run away every time you are about to lose, and a skill that allows you to drag mobs over someone and then dissapear. I'm sorry your cloak is getting nerfed. But NBs brought it on themselves when they started using cheap tactics in imperial city. And I'm trying not to laugh about the heals comment... But unless your specced as a healer now days your heals aren't worth ***.
    I can only run away from terrible players. Anyone with half a brain will usually manage to keep me engaged in the fight. Nerfing Cloak won't hurt me that much at all, I will still be able to Cloak myself to safety when coming up against players like yourself. I'm awaiting the next round of whine threads about Cloak.

    BoL, you are next!
  • rordogg
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    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    Knootewoot wrote: »
    Shunravi wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    I got it. We should all just make NB and abuse it till they fix it. All of imperial city will just be full of people sneaking.

    Are you saying that, in this game, sneaking is nightblade exclusive? I'z confused.

    They are the same people who say that "NB's can pick their fight and start the fight first", while every class can hide/sneak and start/pick a fight.

    Yeah sure. Every other class can technically start a fight first. But in imperial city a Nightblade is the only class that can pick a fight and then run away and come back continually till they finally win.
    Basically you don't like escape skills.

    Time to start nerfing healing skills because spamming them makes you survive too!

    Yes I do have a problem with a skill that allows you to run away every time you are about to lose, and a skill that allows you to drag mobs over someone and then dissapear. I'm sorry your cloak is getting nerfed. But NBs brought it on themselves when they started using cheap tactics in imperial city. And I'm trying not to laugh about the heals comment... But unless your specced as a healer now days your heals aren't worth ***.
    I can only run away from terrible players. Anyone with half a brain will usually manage to keep me engaged in the fight. Nerfing Cloak won't hurt me that much at all, I will still be able to Cloak myself to safety when coming up against players like yourself. I'm awaiting the next round of whine threads about Cloak.

    BoL, you are next!

    Let me guess you're gonna tell me to use aoe or flare right? Flare is an absolutely useless skill other than for nightblades and it's not justifiable to have with a Stam build. And aoe... Aoe just puts all the mobs you dragged over me onto me while you stealth out.
  • Lava_Croft
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    rordogg wrote: »
    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    Knootewoot wrote: »
    Shunravi wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    I got it. We should all just make NB and abuse it till they fix it. All of imperial city will just be full of people sneaking.

    Are you saying that, in this game, sneaking is nightblade exclusive? I'z confused.

    They are the same people who say that "NB's can pick their fight and start the fight first", while every class can hide/sneak and start/pick a fight.

    Yeah sure. Every other class can technically start a fight first. But in imperial city a Nightblade is the only class that can pick a fight and then run away and come back continually till they finally win.
    Basically you don't like escape skills.

    Time to start nerfing healing skills because spamming them makes you survive too!

    Yes I do have a problem with a skill that allows you to run away every time you are about to lose, and a skill that allows you to drag mobs over someone and then dissapear. I'm sorry your cloak is getting nerfed. But NBs brought it on themselves when they started using cheap tactics in imperial city. And I'm trying not to laugh about the heals comment... But unless your specced as a healer now days your heals aren't worth ***.
    I can only run away from terrible players. Anyone with half a brain will usually manage to keep me engaged in the fight. Nerfing Cloak won't hurt me that much at all, I will still be able to Cloak myself to safety when coming up against players like yourself. I'm awaiting the next round of whine threads about Cloak.

    BoL, you are next!

    Let me guess you're gonna tell me to use aoe or flare right? Flare is an absolutely useless skill other than for nightblades and it's not justifiable to have with a Stam build. And aoe... Aoe just puts all the mobs you dragged over me onto me while you stealth out.
    You will still be crying after the supposed nerf to Cloak, since all the things you have trouble with will still be the same.
  • rordogg
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    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    Knootewoot wrote: »
    Shunravi wrote: »
    rordogg wrote: »
    I got it. We should all just make NB and abuse it till they fix it. All of imperial city will just be full of people sneaking.

    Are you saying that, in this game, sneaking is nightblade exclusive? I'z confused.

    They are the same people who say that "NB's can pick their fight and start the fight first", while every class can hide/sneak and start/pick a fight.

    Yeah sure. Every other class can technically start a fight first. But in imperial city a Nightblade is the only class that can pick a fight and then run away and come back continually till they finally win.
    Basically you don't like escape skills.

    Time to start nerfing healing skills because spamming them makes you survive too!

    Yes I do have a problem with a skill that allows you to run away every time you are about to lose, and a skill that allows you to drag mobs over someone and then dissapear. I'm sorry your cloak is getting nerfed. But NBs brought it on themselves when they started using cheap tactics in imperial city. And I'm trying not to laugh about the heals comment... But unless your specced as a healer now days your heals aren't worth ***.
    I can only run away from terrible players. Anyone with half a brain will usually manage to keep me engaged in the fight. Nerfing Cloak won't hurt me that much at all, I will still be able to Cloak myself to safety when coming up against players like yourself. I'm awaiting the next round of whine threads about Cloak.

    BoL, you are next!

    Let me guess you're gonna tell me to use aoe or flare right? Flare is an absolutely useless skill other than for nightblades and it's not justifiable to have with a Stam build. And aoe... Aoe just puts all the mobs you dragged over me onto me while you stealth out.
    You will still be crying after the supposed nerf to Cloak, since all the things you have trouble with will still be the same.

    Another noob Nightblade mad lol
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