How long will ZOS let Dawnbreaker exploiting run rampant?

TheElementalPlatypus

Lava_Croft wrote: »

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

Exploits are practically a part of the game, the meta. You see in most games people tend not to use exploits in assumption action will be taken against them and they wont last long anyway. In this game people abuse them for months on end as they know nothing will happen nor will it get fixed until a major update (which seems to be like twice a year other than these "sound fixes" no one was complaining about)

This cannot be overstated.

I wouldnt mind them not bothering to fix them for 6 months at a time if they actually used those six months for more than a 5 gb patch I am forced to install to better my experience when the prophet's voice is desynced from his character.

If they fixed things like CP system imbalance, addressing core issues instead of "Lets -50% to everything", actually thought about things "Lets make cloak impossible to be seen through without steelnado 12m spam or another NB marking them". If they actually made resource management a thing, yet CP drastically improves management as if it wasnt easy enough. If they made classes have viable skills instead of a set of like 7-9 good skills that every copypasta cookie cutter build runs. I cant say much because I run a fotm sorc exploiting everything possible, but I wish classes like sorc had morph choices, actual decisions. As it is now there is no reason to run anything else on a sorc besides what people run. DK if you aint blocking you aint rockin. Templar is pigeon holed into 1-800-JABS.

Germtrocity

Is the exploit in question the first tick of the ultimate happening at the same time you use the ultimate? Or is something else messed up with the skill itself?
Because the first point is just a bug which needs to be patched (I don't think it is dependent on what the player does other than using the ultimate, so it could be classified as a "broken mechanic" or whatever it is ZoS calls things so that players don't get banned).

Other than that I don't think the use of the skill will go down. Other than people playing a NB, it is the best ultimate for its cost to do burst damage.

Ara_Valleria

It's working as intended.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Come and guess while you all jump on the bandwagon and exploit the living daylight out of it. (And out of the Vampires you kill with it)

OMG I KEEP DYING TO THIS ABILITY !
EXPLOIT ! HAX ! MARCO ! NERF !

Leandor

Postulate: People defending 1 shot abilities cannot be taken seriously.

Discuss.

ToRelax

Leandor wrote: »

Postulate: People defending 1 shot abilities cannot be taken seriously.

Discuss.

If you wouldn't take anyone seriously who is defending abilities that can one shot players in certain situations, there won't be many left to take seriously.

Soris

Other.

lol well said

Abyssmal

Its not an exploit. pvp+vamp=dumb.

that is all.

eliisra

Fixed in Imperial City and then left unfixed for the coming 6 months.

That first tick comes to fast for sure. They will prolly adjust that eventually. But I kind of appreciate this new meta, after getting killed 10000 times by Meteor fall dmg.

At least you can mitigate and counter Dawnbreaker with the normal stuff. It's magic dmg, so you can nirn stack, shield stack and use CP, to prevent getting 1 shot as vamp.

But how to mitigate 50-70k consistent fall dmg from Shooting Star lol? Only perma block with reflect up? Dawnbreaker dmg is milkdrinker compared to that.

Leandor

ToRelax wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Postulate: People defending 1 shot abilities cannot be taken seriously.

Discuss.

If you wouldn't take anyone seriously who is defending abilities that can one shot players in certain situations, there won't be many left to take seriously.

That paints a depressing picture of the playerbase. But so be it.

BigTone

Impulse+Proxy+Smiting= AoE death

Morvul

Fixed in Imperial City and then left unfixed for the coming 6 months.

well, personally I have a hard time calling the straight up use of an ability an "exploit".

That said, dawnbreaker of smiting is currently clearly bugged, and needs fixing

Leandor

Morvul wrote: »

well, personally I have a hard time calling the straight up use of an ability an "exploit".

That said, dawnbreaker of smiting is currently clearly bugged, and needs fixing

Isn't The definition of "exploit" the abuse of a game mechanic that has an unintended or bugged effect?

By that standard, flat out using a bugged ability is an exploit. Sadly, this is usually tolerated in this game.

Joy_Division

Fixed in Imperial City and then left unfixed for the coming 6 months.

Leandor wrote: »

Morvul wrote: »

well, personally I have a hard time calling the straight up use of an ability an "exploit".

That said, dawnbreaker of smiting is currently clearly bugged, and needs fixing

Isn't The definition of "exploit" the abuse of a game mechanic that has an unintended or bugged effect?

By that standard, flat out using a bugged ability is an exploit. Sadly, this is usually tolerated in this game.

Because the game would be unplayable otherwise.

So I am a sorcerer, what ultimate do you want me to use since people will b**** at me for slotting meteor and I'm a hack for using Dawnbreaker? The useless atrnoach? The nerfed-to-the-ground negate? Overload which can't hit all the perma-dodge rollers?

Was I not supposed to use fire trebs because the first DoT ticked immediately? It is the only tool in the game designed to counter enemy siege weapons on top of castle ramparts.

How exactly is the use of nirn supposed to be police and not tolerated?

A DK without flame lash in the 1.6 environment where it's burst or die?

It is ZoS's responsibility to provide us with a functioning and balanced game. Not my responsibility to run a gimped build and compete against the many players who do not measure up to your standards of what is good sportsmanship.

Lava_Croft

Fixed in Imperial City and then left unfixed for the coming 6 months.

The point is not that people use Dawnbreaker. The point is that a large part of the ESO player base starts using Dawnbreaker purely because it's broken.

A forum full of people demanding bug X or Y fixed, but a game full of people lining up to exploit said bugs.

Cody

It's working as intended.

it won't.

glad i quit this crap; this game is going to Oblivion

tplink3r1

It's working as intended.

Leandor wrote: »

Postulate: People defending 1 shot abilities cannot be taken seriously.

Discuss.

You are getting one-shot by dawnbreaker? Rethink your build and L2P.

Jahosefat

"Fight not with monsters lest ye become one".

Iyas

It's working as intended.

haha now i know why kris thinks its an exploit...hes vamp

ThyIronFist

It's working as intended.

You seem to call everything an exploit but please don't act like you've never exploiting anything yourself.

k2blader

Didn't vote because I'm not sure what exploit you mean. I can't keep up with all those. Often I feel like probably half of the players in Cyrodiil are intentionally exploiting in some way, with whatever broken/buggy skill.

And if something isn't broken or bugged, people will still come on the forums to cry..

Ezareth

Lava_Croft wrote: »

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

Exploits are practically a part of the game, the meta. You see in most games people tend not to use exploits in assumption action will be taken against them and they wont last long anyway. In this game people abuse them for months on end as they know nothing will happen nor will it get fixed until a major update (which seems to be like twice a year other than these "sound fixes" no one was complaining about)

This cannot be overstated.

Yup.

Ever wonder why so many top tier players are running around with 2 hand maces?

I think ZoS fixes bugs just slightly faster than they release DLC.

Lava_Croft

Fixed in Imperial City and then left unfixed for the coming 6 months.

Ezareth wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

Exploits are practically a part of the game, the meta. You see in most games people tend not to use exploits in assumption action will be taken against them and they wont last long anyway. In this game people abuse them for months on end as they know nothing will happen nor will it get fixed until a major update (which seems to be like twice a year other than these "sound fixes" no one was complaining about)

This cannot be overstated.

Yup.

Ever wonder why so many top tier players are running around with 2 hand maces?

I think ZoS fixes bugs just slightly faster than they release DLC.

The best part of this is Cyrodiil veterans coming here to defend exploits like Dawnbreaker. Either they have no clue that it's broken, or they are so used to exploiting bugs that it's just a normal part of the game for them. In case of the latter, this is probably as much ZOS' fault as it is their own.

You cannot teach a child what is good and bad without and kind of reward for doing good and punishment for doing bad. In the case of ESO, you get punished for doing 'good' and rewarded for doing 'bad'.

deleted221205-002626

It's working as intended.

Tankqull wrote: »

just for clarification - wich of the bugs do you referr to?

if u could lay out for us all your known bugs I could let you know! In all honesty I get REKT to it myself being pure heals.. I feel soo exhausted from complaints about this kind of thing though. I don't even use it but I'd rather "Find" the way to deal with it like I always do. there are so many tools at everyones disposal and skill points to make them happen. it doesn't matter what class you are or what race, theres stuff there to fix it if yur willing to change yur build.

Master_Kas

Other.

You see all the "its working as intended" ? XD

No offense but you use bugged skills daily aswell : teleport strike & concealed weapon. Both which had been said by ZOS is not working as intended. And all the dks spamming undodgeable whip.

Also on topic: will probably take a while , since its ZOS.

Ps: I also hate it even if I have used it myself

Lava_Croft

Fixed in Imperial City and then left unfixed for the coming 6 months.

Master_Kas wrote: »

You see all the "its working as intended" ? XD

No offense but you use bugged skills daily aswell : teleport strike & concealed weapon. Both which had been said by ZOS is not working as intended. And all the dks spamming undodgeable whip.

Also on topic: will probably take a while , since its ZOS.

Ps: I also hate it even if I have used it myself

The problem here is not that there are bugged skills. Everybody has at least one of their class skills bugged at this point. If you have read the OP, this thread is about everybody purposefully starting to use Dawnbreaker because it is bugged.

Iyas

It's working as intended.

so whats the exploit? Dot dmg somewhat instant after the initial dmg? Or you can cancel the animation?

The only prob is that youre vamp. Dawnbreaker against non vamp is about 6-9 k . nothing special in 1.6 time. But against Vamp 12-16k. sure the dot tick comes fast but who cares about a 2k dot tick against vamp ?!

Cure vamp and see if its still an exploit for you...

And your argument about everyone is using it now. Of course. At first there was a thread about the DMG. More ppl using it ...more ppl died to it...more ppl using it theirself...vid about dawnbreaker etc

Its a gold ulti against non Vamp and the best ulti against Vamp


But maybe you mean a bug i dont know

Leandor

Joy_Division wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Morvul wrote: »

well, personally I have a hard time calling the straight up use of an ability an "exploit".

That said, dawnbreaker of smiting is currently clearly bugged, and needs fixing

Isn't The definition of "exploit" the abuse of a game mechanic that has an unintended or bugged effect?

By that standard, flat out using a bugged ability is an exploit. Sadly, this is usually tolerated in this game.

Because the game would be unplayable otherwise.

So I am a sorcerer, what ultimate do you want me to use since people will b**** at me for slotting meteor and I'm a hack for using Dawnbreaker? The useless atrnoach? The nerfed-to-the-ground negate? Overload which can't hit all the perma-dodge rollers?

Was I not supposed to use fire trebs because the first DoT ticked immediately? It is the only tool in the game designed to counter enemy siege weapons on top of castle ramparts.

How exactly is the use of nirn supposed to be police and not tolerated?

A DK without flame lash in the 1.6 environment where it's burst or die?

It is ZoS's responsibility to provide us with a functioning and balanced game. Not my responsibility to run a gimped build and compete against the many players who do not measure up to your standards of what is good sportsmanship.

@Joy_Division I am with you. Many of the design choices are half thought through only. I slot meteor on my sorc as well and I have dawnbreaker slotted on my nightblade. If you have only lesser suitable choices otherwise, you take the best one irrespective of this.

But I would never go on the forums and post useless things like

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Postulate: People defending 1 shot abilities cannot be taken seriously.

Discuss.

You are getting one-shot by dawnbreaker? Rethink your build and L2P.

This makes one look like a poor sod who is unable to survive without exploits and desperately tries to defend what little chance of success they have. Hence, I cannot take those serious.

Tankqull

Iyas wrote: »

so whats the exploit? Dot dmg somewhat instant after the initial dmg? Or you can cancel the animation?

The only prob is that youre vamp. Dawnbreaker against non vamp is about 6-9 k . nothing special in 1.6 time. But against Vamp 12-16k. sure the dot tick comes fast but who cares about a 2k dot tick against vamp ?!

Cure vamp and see if its still an exploit for you...

And your argument about everyone is using it now. Of course. At first there was a thread about the DMG. More ppl using it ...more ppl died to it...more ppl using it theirself...vid about dawnbreaker etc

Its a gold ulti against non Vamp and the best ulti against Vamp


But maybe you mean a bug i dont know

the dot is increased in the same way the base dmg is, when i die to smite i have the 12-18k innitial hit + 9-12k dot dmg and the first two ticks are by far to fast (first tick instant second tick after one second third after 3 sec)

Iyas

It's working as intended.

Tankqull wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

so whats the exploit? Dot dmg somewhat instant after the initial dmg? Or you can cancel the animation?

The only prob is that youre vamp. Dawnbreaker against non vamp is about 6-9 k . nothing special in 1.6 time. But against Vamp 12-16k. sure the dot tick comes fast but who cares about a 2k dot tick against vamp ?!

Cure vamp and see if its still an exploit for you...

And your argument about everyone is using it now. Of course. At first there was a thread about the DMG. More ppl using it ...more ppl died to it...more ppl using it theirself...vid about dawnbreaker etc

Its a gold ulti against non Vamp and the best ulti against Vamp


But maybe you mean a bug i dont know

the dot is increased in the same way the base dmg is, when i die to smite i have the 12-18k innitial hit + 9-12k dot dmg and the first two ticks are by far to fast (first tick instant second tick after one second third after 3 sec)

Yesterday 15k crit against Vamp with 2k uncrit dot tick...so not rly 9k dot

Tankqull

Iyas wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

so whats the exploit? Dot dmg somewhat instant after the initial dmg? Or you can cancel the animation?

The only prob is that youre vamp. Dawnbreaker against non vamp is about 6-9 k . nothing special in 1.6 time. But against Vamp 12-16k. sure the dot tick comes fast but who cares about a 2k dot tick against vamp ?!

Cure vamp and see if its still an exploit for you...

And your argument about everyone is using it now. Of course. At first there was a thread about the DMG. More ppl using it ...more ppl died to it...more ppl using it theirself...vid about dawnbreaker etc

Its a gold ulti against non Vamp and the best ulti against Vamp


But maybe you mean a bug i dont know

the dot is increased in the same way the base dmg is, when i die to smite i have the 12-18k innitial hit + 9-12k dot dmg and the first two ticks are by far to fast (first tick instant second tick after one second third after 3 sec)

Yesterday 15k crit against Vamp with 2k uncrit dot tick...so not rly 9k dot

dots don´t tick on dead players :P