tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Paying for content updates that you would otherwise get for free in a sub model... Gaming industry is going down the drain.
LOL this by far the most *** and hilarious comment I have ever read. New flash moron.. If you're PAYING for the sub model to play new content then no it's not free.
Please don't presume to tell me what's fun for me. I think I know better. This isn't about learning, I did learn fairly quickly with my new PvP char; it's simply a matter of preference. I wish people could understand this.To the worried PvE guys:
You learn to PvP in no time, and its far more fun to figth persons than scripts.
Philip_Draven wrote: »You will have the option of depositing Tel Var Stones into the bank, but there are some minimum restrictions in place. Additionally, you will lose all of the stones on your person when you die in PvP. Both of these exact values are still subject to change as we continue to fine tune the system based on our logs and player feedback.Will we have to carry Tel Var Stones with us at all times, or will we be able to deposit them in our bank? If we can't deposit them, will we lose ALL of our stones when defeated in PVP, or only a set amount?
I play on both EU and NA will I have to buy the DLC twice if I quit my ESO+ membership.
Lava_Croft wrote: »So after all this waiting. All this subscription paying. All these promises. All these delays.
You want 2500 Crowns for the Imperial City.
I cannot think of a better way ZOS could have said "go *** yourself, scrub" to loyal customers.
Francis_Toliver wrote: »Um...you probably already got this from others but, if you have a subscription you get IC for free.
You only have to pay if you do not have a subscription
cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »So how about those that payed for a year sub just for this content on PC. Are you really going to say [snip] you to them? We took your sub money to fund our console launch and then are going to make you PC players pay for this content that was promised to them.
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Lava_Croft wrote: »Even worse, this is content that we should have gotten already. I guess pushing it back to after B2P release and then asking extra money for it is the way ZOS prefers to operate these days.tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Paying for content updates that you would otherwise get for free in a sub model... Gaming industry is going down the drain.
Hoodster92_ESO wrote: »Ok so let me get this straight..... for content that was announced as upcoming BEFORE the crown store implementation, is now being sold on the crown store?
What content was released that should have had players paying that money from the time period of the announcement of all this "upcoming content" and the crown store??
You took peoples $15 month subscriptions to do what? Fix your mistakes? Sorry this may just be me but you don't get my money for doing that, I expect that $15 - $30 dollars a month I pay to be the content I buy AND any fixes too it.....
Honestly I am not sure I will get this, what you people did is down right thievery and I don't like it. I am not saying that the content you now gave doesn't look good and interesting, but the fact that you are so scummy and untrustworthy makes it simply hard to say that it's worth it.
cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »Most be a console player or someone that doesn't understand the value of money or has everything payed for them by their mother. I personally already spent hundreds of dollars of my money for this content specifically expecting it to be in the next major update over and over. Maybe you can understand my frustration in their decision here to make the PC players pay for something that has been payed for 10 times over. Then we are told hey guess what, we are going BTP and all the money you spent expecting this promised content is just used on a console launch, then being told you have to pay for said content again. Wtf. Are you really so blind to see where PC gamers are coming from on this.? I mean seriously.
This is not about whatever price the DLC costs. It's about the fact that this DLC should have been released ages ago, as part of ZOS' original sales proposition of 'pay sub for regular content updates'. The regular content updates never happened, myself and a lot of others quit their sub after a year of basically no content updates for PvP and now we get screwed over by putting the Imperial City behind a paywall.Jamesbr1b14_ESO wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »ESO+ doesn't even matter in this case. As a PvP player, I have paid a subscription fee for over a year, only to see next to no new content and a state of PvP that is worse than it ever was when you look at things like the lag and bugs.SturgeHammer wrote: »Jamesbr1b14_ESO wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »So after all this waiting. All this subscription paying. All these promises. All these delays.
You want 2500 Crowns for the Imperial City.
I cannot think of a better way ZOS could have said "go *** yourself, scrub" to loyal customers.
I think you missed something while you were reading the launch details, because if you've been paying your subscription (as you stated above), you do NOT have to pay the 2500 crowns for the expansion pack. That cost is for non-ESO Plus members. As seen in their quote below:
The full Imperial City DLC game pack is included with an active ESO Plus membership. If you are not an ESO Plus member, or your membership lapses, the Imperial City DLC game pack costs 2,500 crowns in the ESOTU Crown Store.
I think @Lava_Croft is saying that paying the ESO+ for months is not worth unlimited access to a 2500 crown DLC, which they probably have, like every other ESO+ member, enough dead crowns in pocket to buy it straight up with more crowns to spare. It is a huge smack in the face for players that have been subbed for a while with the promise that the DLC will make up for a lack of Value that ESO+ provides. This lack of value has been officially acknowledged by ZOS.
If you have a paid sub for over a year and are an ESO+ member, why complain about the 2500 crowns? You shouldn't have to pay that amount. As for the other, yeah, definitely a reason to be annoyed! The lag, the inability (at times) to cause the doors to be inaccessible, requiring a logout to fix, the lack of new content and the myriad of other issues that haven't been addressed for more than a year... THOSE are enough to not be happy about, but you shouldn't have to worry about the 2500 crowns if you've remained current in your sub. So, other than the crowns, I agree 100% with you.
Rouge_Sword wrote: »Anyone know the name of the song playing in this trailer? It was also in the E3 trailer and it's really getting stuck in my head...
dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »Is it really in the best interest of the game to have a lootable crafting material? Do you have any plans in place to change it to non-lootable when your player base starts flooding the forums with posts regarding their lack of options in keeping and trading the new resource?
Lava_Croft wrote: »Even worse, this is content that we should have gotten already. I guess pushing it back to after B2P release and then asking extra money for it is the way ZOS prefers to operate these days.tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Paying for content updates that you would otherwise get for free in a sub model... Gaming industry is going down the drain.
Pre B2P: You paid a monthly sub and the content updates were free.
Post B2P: You have the option of paying a monthly sub and the content updates will be free.
The only difference is the introduction of *choice*. Pay ala carte or pay a monthly sub.
Lava_Croft wrote: »Even worse, this is content that we should have gotten already. I guess pushing it back to after B2P release and then asking extra money for it is the way ZOS prefers to operate these days.tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Paying for content updates that you would otherwise get for free in a sub model... Gaming industry is going down the drain.
Pre B2P: You paid a monthly sub and the content updates were free.
Post B2P: You have the option of paying a monthly sub and the content updates will be free.
The only difference is the introduction of *choice*. Pay ala carte or pay a monthly sub.
Your Post B2P is inaccurate. You rent them for free. If you stop subbing, you lose access to the content.
What I take umbrage at is the strong suspicion I have that they sat on this content, while developing for consoles, so that they would have a DLC to roll out of the door for extra revenue after console release.
If this had been released as a part of the original pre-B2P offering then we would have access to it permanently, as we do with all of the things added before Tamriel Unimited. With the new system it is only ours as long as we sub or buy it with crowns.
This is a difference and for me it is an important one.
Lava_Croft wrote: »Even worse, this is content that we should have gotten already. I guess pushing it back to after B2P release and then asking extra money for it is the way ZOS prefers to operate these days.tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Paying for content updates that you would otherwise get for free in a sub model... Gaming industry is going down the drain.
Pre B2P: You paid a monthly sub and the content updates were free.
Post B2P: You have the option of paying a monthly sub and the content updates will be free.
The only difference is the introduction of *choice*. Pay ala carte or pay a monthly sub.
Your Post B2P is inaccurate. You rent them for free. If you stop subbing, you lose access to the content.
What I take umbrage at is the strong suspicion I have that they sat on this content, while developing for consoles, so that they would have a DLC to roll out of the door for extra revenue after console release.
If this had been released as a part of the original pre-B2P offering then we would have access to it permanently, as we do with all of the things added before Tamriel Unimited. With the new system it is only ours as long as we sub or buy it with crowns.
This is a difference and for me it is an important one.
The very fact we are going to have a month to test it probably suggest they weren't sitting on it, it probably just wasn't done.
dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »So just to confirm with these new 'Tel Var' stones:
- you can only craft VR15 and VR16 gear with them?
- They can only be used within Imperial city?
- They're lootable from PC corpses?
Are we able to make use of the refined materials outside of IC? e.g. crafting Hunding's Rage in VR16.
What sort of timeframe is there for looting? Is it automatically transferred or are people who insta-ress going to be able to stop others from getting their stones even though they lose theirs?
Is there going to be a bank merchant in the alliance safe zones?
Will there be different versions for Light/Medium/Heavy/Wooden armour and weapons? If so, how?
Is it really in the best interest of the game to have a lootable crafting material? Do you have any plans in place to change it to non-lootable when your player base starts flooding the forums with posts regarding their lack of options in keeping and trading the new resource?
Lastly, since it appears to be the only way to craft top level gear (not in stats, but VR), will you provide a high enough drop rate so that buying a stack of 100 in 3 months from release won't cost thousands of gold and limit even the most basic gear to only those with overflowing gold? (imagine nirncrux, only you could lose your hours farming in 3 seconds)
If you are paying for the sub, they dont count that expansion as avail, even if you pay your sub up to two years from now. Cancel the sub and the new DLC content goes away. Personally, even as a sub, I would rather be able to crown purchase the new content so its "MINE".
The full Imperial City DLC game pack is included with an active ESO Plus membership. If you are not an ESO Plus member, or your membership lapses, the Imperial City DLC game pack costs 2,500 crowns in the ESOTU Crown Store.
Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno
Has the team considered granting a one time bonus of 2500 coins to those who have subbed longer than 9/12 months at this point as a thank you for the loyalty shown by PC customers during the launch year? (would allow players who feel cheated, whether rightly or wrongly, by the fact that 'no content' was delivered during their sub period a gesture of good will and would encourage others who haven't subbed to sub knowing that after that long duration they get a bonus) for example?
If not is it something you would consider for the future?