Templar Archer - Am i crazy?

Hauztein

I know that a templar archer isnt common. I want to be an assassin archer using 3 main skills: Snipe, Poison and Expert Hunter. The 2 other slots can be for heal, support or even silver bolts... and the second bar is for 2H or DW AoE. So Bow is for single.

I leveled a NB until lvl 30 and i realize that i didnt like it. Reasons:

- In my solo playstyle, i needed more survivability, and as a stamina assassin i felt that siphon skills were not enough to solo a few things and be comfortable.

- I was disappointed with a few skills i was eager to test, such as shades, path and mark. Shades and path do pitiful dmg, as for Mark, most times enemies dont have much resistance, many people use it for heal or stealth debuff... but is not for me in the way i play. Grim focus is good for the 8% dmg, but not enough to make NB viable for me.

- Passives from Shadow and Syphon doesnt help me at all. Assassin have good passives for stamina and crit, but is not enought to take this class just because of it.

So, IF i take NB class is just because of 2 passives and 8% dmg buff. And i will need to heal with Rally 2H only.

So i thought of getting Templar and use 1 heal skill and the shield maybe, and also i get 6%dmg passive. It seems to me that i will have almost same damage to single target AND a lot of mitigation and heal.

Am i thinking right? Any thoughts you would like to share?

Shunravi

Go for it and have fun.

Soris

With a stamina build templar class heal won't heal you enough. You would want Rally and Vigor and those are open for everyone. Nightblades have much more synergises and perform overall the best with the build in your mind.

TheBull

Maybe in PvE land. Out in Cyrodiil prepare to use LOTS of invis pots as a Templar "Archer".

No class plays bow better than NBs. Liek poster above said, you stam heals will come with Rally for 2h and Vigor form the Alliance war assault tree.

Anything is possible in ESO though. You might come up with something nice

Lynx7386

2h+bow on a Stam templar is actually very formidable in pvp.

Soris

Lynx7386 wrote: »

2h+bow on a Stam templar is actually very formidable in pvp.

True. However there is very little "templar class" in that build. You can perform much more better with a nightblade in the same build.
More synergy, more mobility, instant burst skills, better ultimates, better buffs and debuffs, cloak etc list goes on.

Keisxe

It can be fun and it is a very viable build. I made a templar based on this Battlemaster's Corner. I have only played that toon up to VR2 but I could easily handle multiple mobs and world bosses. Try it out!

Lynx7386

Soris wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

2h+bow on a Stam templar is actually very formidable in pvp.

True. However there is very little "templar class" in that build. You can perform much more better with a nightblade in the same build.
More synergy, more mobility, instant burst skills, better ultimates, better buffs and debuffs, cloak etc list goes on.

The difference is that a templar with that build has repentance for constant free healing and stamina recovery, and purify for remaining free of roots and other status effects.

Soris

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

2h+bow on a Stam templar is actually very formidable in pvp.

True. However there is very little "templar class" in that build. You can perform much more better with a nightblade in the same build.
More synergy, more mobility, instant burst skills, better ultimates, better buffs and debuffs, cloak etc list goes on.

The difference is that a templar with that build has repentance for constant free healing and stamina recovery, and purify for remaining free of roots and other status effects.

Yeah repentance, only when a corpse is around. It's extremely situational ability for pvp. Stamina recovery is 10% when slotted where nightblades have 30% by default. One of the morphs of cloak removes up to 4 negative effects just like purify.
I don't say Templar class is bad. It's just subpar for THAT build when you consider nightblades after 1.6. But still doable, they are not garbage.
Templar shines more in different builds and playstyles. And to op, NB should be your class if you want that build.

On the other hand, there will be class balancing in the next major patch. So everything may be subject to change or may not. Just like patch 1.6 pretty much ruined templar class as they were almost kings of pvp stamina builds with the old meta. Currently it is the era of stamina nightblades and magicka sorcerers. Who knows what will update 7 bring.

But currently it's pretty much what I said. (Endgame pvp wise ofc).

AlnilamE

Hauztein wrote: »

- I was disappointed with a few skills i was eager to test, such as shades, path and mark. Shades and path do pitiful dmg, as for Mark, most times enemies dont have much resistance, many people use it for heal or stealth debuff... but is not for me in the way i play. Grim focus is good for the 8% dmg, but not enough to make NB viable for me.

Other people who are more experienced with DPS Templars have commented on that class. While it seems to me that NB is not a class that suits your personality, I just want to comment on these, as my main is a Nightblade.

Shades are not meant for damage. They are meant as a damage debuff, a distraction to divert attention to you, and in the case of the shade you can teleport to, a means of escape (some PvP NBs use that really well).

Mark Target: The heal is awesome with multiple trash mobs. And if you don't think they have a lot of resistances. Hit one mob in a group with it and then AoE them. The Marked mob will die much faster. Of course, in PvP you will give away your presence if you mark another player.

Grim Focus has specific uses, IMO. Single Target sustained damage so dungeon bosses where you have enough time to proc it between any mechanic you need to avoid.

NB also has Agony, which is very useful if you are by yourself and want to keep 1 mob stunned while you deal with another. For the longest time, I didn't use a lot of the NB skills. Now I'm working my way through the list making sure everything is leveled to max and I have found some interesting skills that I had not paid attention to before.

RavenSworn

Reaper's Mark also gives major berserk once an enemy dies. You one shot an enemy, Crippling Grasp another and Draining Shot the incoming mob and you have all the time in the world to pick them off.

However, a Templar archer just plays differently from a nb archer. You can help out with offheals, use javelin or even use your healing ultimate for additional survivability. But playing as an assassin archer? NB is the class you need.

Hauztein

You guys are making me change my mind... how devious!

A few questions:

1. Master Assassin (1st passive from Assassination) works for every attack or just assassination skills? The tooltip is confusing in different websites.

2. Blur > Mirage is a good skill for defense? i didnt try it... Seems that 20% dodge i will still get in trouble with world bosses or big pulls.

3. Is Grim Focus a very good skill? What can you say about it?

4. Bonus Crit Damage works for sneak attacks? in other words, Sneak attack are considered critical?


Thanks everyone!

Lynx7386

1. All attacks
2. No need for blur unless you're a tank
3. I like to use grim focus as a pseudo - execute ability
4. Yes

Hauztein

Lynx7386 wrote: »

1. All attacks
2. No need for blur unless you're a tank
3. I like to use grim focus as a pseudo - execute ability
4. Yes

Im convinced, thanks! I thought that master assassin were only for assassination skills, and that attacks from stealth were not considered critical in terms of stack crit dmg.

Lynx7386

Also note that you can have 2h on one bar, activate momentum/rally, and switch to your bow bar, and you'll retain the +20% weapon damage from the buff until it runs out.

danno8

Soris wrote: »

One of the morphs of cloak removes up to 4 negative effects just like purify.
(Endgame pvp wise ofc).

I agree with everything you said, but Purifying Ritual removes 5 negative effects (so that includes roots, and snares and DoT's) whereas the morph of Cloak only removes 4 DoT's.

Soris

Thanks for clarifying

RazzPitazz

Just out of curiosity for the main idea, would a bow even work well with Templar skills? Templar doesn't have much as far as AoE, CC or high crit potentil IMO, but I am not a master Templar.... yet.

Soris

Some yes. For example, Power of the Light (stores dmg done for 6 seconds then blows up with added 30% bonus with a cap of roughtly 13k dmg) Excellent skill to use with bow sneak attacks.
Vampire's Bane for extra dot as magcika filler plus 40% snare.
Binding Javelin for knockback+stun.
And maybe Blazing Spears for extra aoe DoT when used with Scorched Earth and Caltrops. (mostly used in dungeons)
In fact, stamina templars are very good in PvE in terms of dps and they actually have good amount of AoEs. Biting Jabs for example, it's excellent for both melee single target and aoe dps. And that's pretty much all you need mostly in a dungeon.
But thats just for PvE. PvP is very different where you need to sustain yourself and survive/escape:)

danno8

Soris wrote: »

Some yes. For example, Power of the Light (stores dmg done for 6 seconds then blows up with added 30% bonus with a cap of roughtly 13k dmg) Excellent skill to use with bow sneak attacks.
Vampire's Bane for extra dot as magcika filler plus 40% snare.
Binding Javelin for knockback+stun.
And maybe Blazing Spears for extra aoe DoT when used with Scorched Earth and Caltrops. (mostly used in dungeons)
In fact, stamina templars are very good in PvE in terms of dps and they actually have good amount of AoEs. Biting Jabs for example, it's excellent for both melee single target and aoe dps. And that's pretty much all you need mostly in a dungeon.
But thats just for PvE. PvP is very different where you need to sustain yourself and survive/escape:)

lol, again a correction. Power of the light tooltip is wrong, it only releases 30% of the damage taken, not 130% like the tooltip implies. We never had a response if the skill is bugged or the tooltip is wrong.

'Cause, you know, Templar...

DeanTheCat

No matter which class you play as, you need some form of CC on your bars. From your OP, the main issue it seems is a complete lack of CC on your skillbars.

Try these skills out, you'll be surprised at their effectiveness:

• Magnum Shot (Scattershot Morph)
• Bombard (Arrow Spray Morph)
• Binding Javalin (Templar exclusive)
• Dark Cloak + Surprise Attack (Nightblade exclusive)
• Aspect of Terror (Nightblade exclusive)
• Biting Jabs (Templar exclusive)

Still in my opinion, bow is mainly useful (PvP wise) for a kiting/dodgeroll based playstyle as Snipe spam is just going to get you killed by any competent player. Dual Wield's flying blades are more then enough to fill your ranged attack needs.

Soris

danno8 wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Some yes. For example, Power of the Light (stores dmg done for 6 seconds then blows up with added 30% bonus with a cap of roughtly 13k dmg) Excellent skill to use with bow sneak attacks.
Vampire's Bane for extra dot as magcika filler plus 40% snare.
Binding Javelin for knockback+stun.
And maybe Blazing Spears for extra aoe DoT when used with Scorched Earth and Caltrops. (mostly used in dungeons)
In fact, stamina templars are very good in PvE in terms of dps and they actually have good amount of AoEs. Biting Jabs for example, it's excellent for both melee single target and aoe dps. And that's pretty much all you need mostly in a dungeon.
But thats just for PvE. PvP is very different where you need to sustain yourself and survive/escape:)

lol, again a correction. Power of the light tooltip is wrong, it only releases 30% of the damage taken, not 130% like the tooltip implies. We never had a response if the skill is bugged or the tooltip is wrong.

'Cause, you know, Templar...

Haha that's a bug I suppose. It 's very good skill in theory. Minus the GCD

UrQuan

Hmm, other people have already given all of the advice that I would have given in this thread, but... Am I the only one who's disappointed that nobody is using the term Templarcher to refer to a Templar archer?

DeanTheCat

UrQuan wrote: »

Hmm, other people have already given all of the advice that I would have given in this thread, but... Am I the only one who's disappointed that nobody is using the term Templarcher to refer to a Templar archer?

I think it's more commonly called "Bowplar". Seen lots of "creative" nicknames about Templars. "Tankplar", "Soliare of Astora", "Jesus Beam Spammer", "Healbot", "Ball spammer", "Spearman"... Eh. You get the idea. It's kinda amusing to see actually.

Soris

You miss the OPlar!

newtinmpls

How about Holy Assassin?

I mean some of those long shots are very sweet.