WTF How is this possible? Possible exploit? One shotted by CamoHunter?

LegacyDM

Today at 6/13/2015 6:21am EST on Haderus a small group of blues were trying to take Ash. There was no lag because it was a small group and no one was lag bombing. I left the inner keep door, took a few steps beyond the guards and in less than a second I was instantly dead. Attached is the screen shot of the damage log. Here is the kicker, I am not a vampire.

So, my ping is 134, I'm not a vampire, have 20k HP, no one else was around, yet someone was able to one shot me, I suspect from on top of the outer wall. Now this has happened to me before pre-1.6, but never to this degree, and my combat log always had other attacks in it, and I chocked it up to weird game behavior.

Before all of you tell me it was lag, or it was more than a second, I can guarantee you I was not experiencing any lag, and it was literally a second to die. The game was smooth. This leads me to one of two conclusions. Either there is an exploit with camouflaged hunter, or the PvP engine is whacked where people can be instantly one shotted and its not recorded in combat log. @ZOS , either case, this needs to be fixed.

LegacyDM

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xboxcoreythe1st

If it happend one time why go sour about it and take time posting it?

bgoldbeck21_ESO

This is just a bug that occurs when you get owned by an attack with camo hunter attached. You got unlucky, camo hunter can still proc on non-vamps more rarely.

LegacyDM

xboxcoreythe1st wrote: »

If it happend one time why go sour about it and take time posting it?

really? that's your response?

If its an exploit it needs to be fixed. If its poor game mechanics it needs to be fixed. Regardless of how many times it happened. Plus, as stated in my OP, I noticed similar things happening in pre-1.6 but this is too blatant to ignore.

LegacyDM

bgoldbeck21_ESO wrote: »

This is just a bug that occurs when you get owned by an attack with camo hunter attached. You got unlucky, camo hunter can still proc on non-vamps more rarely.

Care to elaborate? Whats the bug? I died in a second. What was the attack that killed me and took off 20k HP?

DeanTheCat

If you get sniped with Camo hunter active on the attacker and the proc kills you, the snipe will not be displayed in the recap. Considering the current gold standard for snipes on the EU server is 22k damage per snipe, I'm not surprised you got one shotted. In addition, Camo Hunter has a 4% chance of activating on any target, not just vampires or werewolves. The damage in your recap looks in line with the 4% proc rather then the 100% from stealth on a vampire.

If you haven't already tried it, Radient Magelight is an incredibly potent counter to snipers, as it reduces the damage from stealthed attacks by 60% to you and your allies within a 10m radius of the glowing blue ball. It also prevents the stun from the stealthed attack. The sheer power of this counter is well worth the price of two slots. If you choose not to make use of this hard counter, the price you pay is that you'll constantly get one shotted by any competent sniper/ganker.

LegacyDM

DeanTheCat wrote: »

If you get sniped with Camo hunter active on the attacker and the proc kills you, the snipe will not be displayed in the recap. Considering the current gold standard for snipes on the EU server is 22k damage per snipe, I'm not surprised you got one shotted. In addition, Camo Hunter has a 4% chance of activating on any target, not just vampires or werewolves. The damage in your recap looks in line with the 4% proc rather then the 100% from stealth on a vampire.

If you haven't already tried it, Radient Magelight is an incredibly potent counter to snipers, as it reduces the damage from stealthed attacks by 60% to you and your allies within a 10m radius of the glowing blue ball. It also prevents the stun from the stealthed attack. The sheer power of this counter is well worth the price of two slots. If you choose not to make use of this hard counter, the price you pay is that you'll constantly get one shotted by any competent sniper/ganker.

Thank you for explaining. This makes sense. ZOS should really fix the damage log to include the snipe so new players don't get confused or frustrated. Now doing 22k in one shot is another argument for another post.

DeanTheCat

I'd recommend installing an add-on combat log instead of relying solely on the recap. The recap tends to be buggy and lacks timestamps, which an add-on will provide. Seems a bit of an overkill I know, but it's very useful for analysing your deaths and learning from it, Dark Souls style. I notice you are using FTC, in that case, you may want to update your FTC. The newest version comes with a combat log.

Derra

DeanTheCat wrote: »

If you get sniped with Camo hunter active on the attacker and the proc kills you, the snipe will not be displayed in the recap. Considering the current gold standard for snipes on the EU server is 22k damage per snipe, I'm not surprised you got one shotted. In addition, Camo Hunter has a 4% chance of activating on any target, not just vampires or werewolves. The damage in your recap looks in line with the 4% proc rather then the 100% from stealth on a vampire.

If you haven't already tried it, Radient Magelight is an incredibly potent counter to snipers, as it reduces the damage from stealthed attacks by 60% to you and your allies within a 10m radius of the glowing blue ball. It also prevents the stun from the stealthed attack. The sheer power of this counter is well worth the price of two slots. If you choose not to make use of this hard counter, the price you pay is that you'll constantly get one shotted by any competent sniper/ganker.

Are you really telling ppl with a straight face that giving up 20% of their active combat skills should be desirable in a 5 button game and if they choose to not partake in this nonesense deserve to get oneshotted? What about ppl needing magelight for pve - shall they go to hell altogether?

Also radiant magelight does do sh*t against nightblade stealth attacks - they will still stun you bc of the class passive and gankers with the right combo will still "oneshot" you with their supercombo of 3 attacks that does not even need the stealth attack bonus...

Let´s make it that you can only dodge the first procced crystal frags / cloak the first jesus beam in a fight if you have syphoning attacks slotted on both bars and toggled. That seems fair.

DeanTheCat

Derra wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

If you get sniped with Camo hunter active on the attacker and the proc kills you, the snipe will not be displayed in the recap. Considering the current gold standard for snipes on the EU server is 22k damage per snipe, I'm not surprised you got one shotted. In addition, Camo Hunter has a 4% chance of activating on any target, not just vampires or werewolves. The damage in your recap looks in line with the 4% proc rather then the 100% from stealth on a vampire.

If you haven't already tried it, Radient Magelight is an incredibly potent counter to snipers, as it reduces the damage from stealthed attacks by 60% to you and your allies within a 10m radius of the glowing blue ball. It also prevents the stun from the stealthed attack. The sheer power of this counter is well worth the price of two slots. If you choose not to make use of this hard counter, the price you pay is that you'll constantly get one shotted by any competent sniper/ganker.

Are you really telling ppl with a straight face that giving up 20% of their active combat skills should be desirable in a 5 button game and if they choose to not partake in this nonesense deserve to get oneshotted? What about ppl needing magelight for pve - shall they go to hell altogether?

Also radiant magelight does do sh*t against nightblade stealth attacks - they will still stun you bc of the class passive and gankers with the right combo will still "oneshot" you with their supercombo of 3 attacks that does not even need the stealth attack bonus...

Before the game launched last year, there was a Dev interview (On my phone now, can't go looking for it) that had someone asking the Dev about stealthers and potential one shots in Cyrodiil. The dev's answer was pretty much "Radient Magelight is our hard counter to stealthers that anyone can use". So yes, I'm telling people to use the hard counter that ZoS themselves has said it was a hard counter. The price you pay for the counter is loss of slots. In that same interview, they mentioned something about how the combat system was all about making sacrifices and you cannot fully mitigate your weaknesses. You can pretty much only just shift them around.

Rock -> Stealthers
Scissors -> Non-Magelight users
Paper -> Magelight users

Rock beats Scissors, Scissors beats Paper, Paper beats Rock. Almost everything in the game has a counter. It's like a game of RPS or Pokemon in a way.

EDIT: I'd also like to mention that I myself am forced to use Radient Magelight, even though the Crit bonuses does absolutely nothing for me.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

dude I hit people with 12k Camo hunters hell it can proc twice on Vamps have one shotted people with light attacks

EIGHTS

It's not strange about one shoot die or 6K damage kill.


No enemy, No siege fire, No reason.
I died suddenly.

Domander

Macro killed you so fast that the game couldn't accept it.

cozmon3c_ESO

Yeah a bug on damage damage log.

I personally hate all these burst proc things, it takes skill out of the game and leaves a sour taste in the mouth of people on the recieving end of unavoidable random bursts.

Came hunter, disintegration, and valkyn skoria are some examples of bad mechanics in the game that takes skill away from the players.

PikkonMG

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

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I have had this happen to me 20 or 30 times sense all the changes.

Bouvin

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

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Sometimes not everything shows up on the death recap. There was probably a snipe or something in there as well.

Alcast

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

xboxcoreythe1st wrote: »

If it happend one time why go sour about it and take time posting it?

really? that's your response?

If its an exploit it needs to be fixed. If its poor game mechanics it needs to be fixed. Regardless of how many times it happened. Plus, as stated in my OP, I noticed similar things happening in pre-1.6 but this is too blatant to ignore.

lol man, the game is full of bugs and classes are completly imbalanced.


That camo thing works like this.

there is 15% chance to proc on Undead/Daedra and a 4% chance to proc on Non-Undead.


THe Death Recap is NEVER accurate....sometimes it does not show attacks that hit you.../ZOSlogic

Armitas

1.6 is a magical place where all your dreams can come true. We are only limited by our imagination and lag.

Lava_Croft

Derra wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

If you get sniped with Camo hunter active on the attacker and the proc kills you, the snipe will not be displayed in the recap. Considering the current gold standard for snipes on the EU server is 22k damage per snipe, I'm not surprised you got one shotted. In addition, Camo Hunter has a 4% chance of activating on any target, not just vampires or werewolves. The damage in your recap looks in line with the 4% proc rather then the 100% from stealth on a vampire.

If you haven't already tried it, Radient Magelight is an incredibly potent counter to snipers, as it reduces the damage from stealthed attacks by 60% to you and your allies within a 10m radius of the glowing blue ball. It also prevents the stun from the stealthed attack. The sheer power of this counter is well worth the price of two slots. If you choose not to make use of this hard counter, the price you pay is that you'll constantly get one shotted by any competent sniper/ganker.

Are you really telling ppl with a straight face that giving up 20% of their active combat skills should be desirable in a 5 button game and if they choose to not partake in this nonesense deserve to get oneshotted? What about ppl needing magelight for pve - shall they go to hell altogether?

Also radiant magelight does do sh*t against nightblade stealth attacks - they will still stun you bc of the class passive and gankers with the right combo will still "oneshot" you with their supercombo of 3 attacks that does not even need the stealth attack bonus...

Let´s make it that you can only dodge the first procced crystal frags / cloak the first jesus beam in a fight if you have syphoning attacks slotted on both bars and toggled. That seems fair.

If you have a better practical solution that this player can use right away, let's hear it. As it stands now, Radiant Magelight is the correct answer.

Epsilon_Echo

There is another alternative. Keep a damage shield up 100% of the time. There is a reason that sorcs don't get ganked as often and it isn't bolt escape. It's because you can't critical a damage sheild.

Lava_Croft

Epsilon_Echo wrote: »

There is another alternative. Keep a damage shield up 100% of the time. There is a reason that sorcs don't get ganked as often and it isn't bolt escape. It's because you can't critical a damage sheild.

And a proper sniper does more damage than anyone's Ward, which means the Ward is depleted and the rest of the damage comes in unmitigated.

Epsilon_Echo

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Epsilon_Echo wrote: »

There is another alternative. Keep a damage shield up 100% of the time. There is a reason that sorcs don't get ganked as often and it isn't bolt escape. It's because you can't critical a damage sheild.

And a proper sniper does more damage than anyone's Ward, which means the Ward is depleted and the rest of the damage comes in unmitigated.

It still removes the critical and suprise damage. On a 17k snipe from a NB that cuts it down to around 9. Then the element of suprise is gone.

NotSo

Only one thing in ESO that hurts more than getting one-shotted, and that's ZOS looking at it and saying "working as intended".

Sheezabeast

My best advice is to make sure you hold block and avoid standing in Caltrops

eliisra

Derra wrote: »

Are you really telling ppl with a straight face that giving up 20% of their active combat skills should be desirable in a 5 button game and if they choose to not partake in this nonesense deserve to get oneshotted? What about ppl needing magelight for pve - shall they go to hell altogether?

This so much. Majority of players in this game are PvX and Inner Light is mandatory for non-DK magicka builds in PvE.

So devs basically telling us to go re-spec all morphs 3-5 times a day? That's very helpful

Than there's all the non-magicka builds choosing to not play as gankers. They should apparently sacrifice 2 entire skills slots on this, with no other benefit?

Shield protecting from crit is useful and maybe even a bit broken in other situations. But makes little difference here. Only bad baby gankers would Snipe you when shields or block and buffs are up. They wait until it's gone and that doesn't take to long if NB or templar. Keeping up Bone shield, Healing Ward or Sun Shield every 5-6 second when out of combat, is not really possible due to us being humans, not robots.

byrom101b16_ESO

eliisra wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Are you really telling ppl with a straight face that giving up 20% of their active combat skills should be desirable in a 5 button game and if they choose to not partake in this nonesense deserve to get oneshotted? What about ppl needing magelight for pve - shall they go to hell altogether?

This so much. Majority of players in this game are PvX and Inner Light is mandatory for non-DK magicka builds in PvE.

So devs basically telling us to go re-spec all morphs 3-5 times a day? That's very helpful

Than there's all the non-magicka builds choosing to not play as gankers. They should apparently sacrifice 2 entire skills slots on this, with no other benefit?

Shield protecting from crit is useful and maybe even a bit broken in other situations. But makes little difference here. Only bad baby gankers would Snipe you when shields or block and buffs are up. They wait until it's gone and that doesn't take to long if NB or templar. Keeping up Bone shield, Healing Ward or Sun Shield every 5-6 second when out of combat, is not really possible due to us being humans, not robots.

Zenimax are addicted to putting in broken abilities and then giving you poor choices to deal with it.

Nirnhoned in every location? Stack spell penetration or go stamina build!

One-shot ranged from stealth? Use a mandatory toggle that is useless for magicka build PvE!

It never seems to occur to anyone working there who has the power to change anything, that taking out the broken abilities instead, and giving people more choice is significantly better.

Professional MMO designers... go figure...

Xael

Derra wrote: »

Are you really telling ppl with a straight face that giving up 20% of their active combat skills should be desirable in a 5 button game and if they choose to not partake in this nonesense deserve to get oneshotted? What about ppl needing magelight for pve - shall they go to hell altogether?

Also radiant magelight does do sh*t against nightblade stealth attacks - they will still stun you bc of the class passive and gankers with the right combo will still "oneshot" you with their supercombo of 3 attacks that does not even need the stealth attack bonus...

Let´s make it that you can only dodge the first procced crystal frags / cloak the first jesus beam in a fight if you have syphoning attacks slotted on both bars and toggled. That seems fair.

Yes.
Please stop with the pve vs pvp nonsense. All of us who do both already have to make choices on morphs. You are not a special snowflake.

Radiant Magelight does work against Nightblades stealth attacks. It is clear by your language you do not use magelight so I don't expect your rant to be accurate. Hell even your explanation of the NB "supercombo" showcases your ignorance on not only Magelight but the way the combos for Nightblades work.
Radiant Magelight was designed to halve any sneak damage and it does just that. Once the NB opens with Ambush/Teleport you still can "break free" and not die in the opening combo. Without Radiant Magelight that opener will kill most players sub 22k Health (provided the attacker is geared and stacking weapon damage / % increase bonuses). This is not only Nightblades but Sorcs, Templars, and especially DKs who can easily 1 shot most people in the 20k range.

Robbmrp

Alcast wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

xboxcoreythe1st wrote: »

If it happend one time why go sour about it and take time posting it?

really? that's your response?

If its an exploit it needs to be fixed. If its poor game mechanics it needs to be fixed. Regardless of how many times it happened. Plus, as stated in my OP, I noticed similar things happening in pre-1.6 but this is too blatant to ignore.

lol man, the game is full of bugs and classes are completly imbalanced.


That camo thing works like this.

there is 15% chance to proc on Undead/Daedra and a 4% chance to proc on Non-Undead.


THe Death Recap is NEVER accurate....sometimes it does not show attacks that hit you.../ZOSlogic

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, @ZOS_PaulSage Why is there a Death Recap if it's not accurate and doesn't display all damage that actually killed you.....

TheBull

When snipe AND camo one-shots you all you see is the camo-hunter.

k2blader

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Yeah a bug on damage damage log.

I personally hate all these burst proc things, it takes skill out of the game and leaves a sour taste in the mouth of people on the recieving end of unavoidable random bursts.

Came hunter, disintegration, and valkyn skoria are some examples of bad mechanics in the game that takes skill away from the players.

Can't say how much I appreciate such comments from respected players, especially power gamers. As an aside I think I've seen Disintegration happen to an opponent once in the past 6 months. lol